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2011-04-13 12:47:49 PM  
which gave us a place to make fun of for their lack of toothpaste, use of soap, and marrying of cousins. in the words of Daniel Tosh, "and for that sir, we thank you."
 
2011-04-13 12:48:39 PM  
Did you know all that?

Neither did I, and I grew up there.


Well then, you're a dumbass. I grew up in Illinois and I knew that.
 
2011-04-13 12:48:42 PM  
Their state may have said no but their sisters didn't.
 
2011-04-13 12:48:47 PM  
Know means know?
 
2011-04-13 12:49:31 PM  
I expected the "no" to be as in "no, we will not join the Confederacy" right when I read the headline.
 
2011-04-13 12:50:00 PM  
LOL! Stereotypes are fun.

'specially when you pan left to right a few times...
 
2011-04-13 12:50:48 PM  
I've often thought they should consider changing the name to "South Pennsylvania."
 
2011-04-13 12:51:18 PM  
So the hillbillies and mountain folk took the high road..

/W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.
 
2011-04-13 12:51:22 PM  
have you seen the geography of west virginia? it's in the middle of appalacia. there's no place for large scale agriculture like in virginia and the other southern states.
 
2011-04-13 12:59:30 PM  

Burr: /W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.


For how much longer, I wonder?

It's turning into a post-colonial third world country thanks to years of pillaging by coal and chemical companies. And now there will be new drilling for gas, basically free of regulations.

And people wonder why we are last in everything, including health.
 
2011-04-13 01:02:27 PM  
All these were curiously and unfortunately underplayed during my 22 years in the state sometimes referred to as "the child of the rebellion." a "shiathole."

FTFA.
 
2011-04-13 01:09:12 PM  
Subby's mom never said no...
 
2011-04-13 01:10:00 PM  
I'll be danged-didn't know

humph-poor day when you don't learn sumpin
Thanks


though I wouldn't call wv exactly neighborly
 
2011-04-13 01:13:26 PM  
I read this yesterday and immediately thought of you farkers.....as in "If they only knew what they're missing through their stereotyping blindfold" . Then I thought "...ehh they'd have a field day with this anyways..."

I'm a little annoyed that he didn't point out the geographic inconsistencies with the Song "Country Roads". Then again, if he didn't know the rest of that crap growing up here, I'm sure he wouldn't be able to figure those out on his own.
 
2011-04-13 01:14:57 PM  
Author has sand-in-vag over people making fun of West Virginia and propagating the hill-billy stereotype... poor guy.


/MadeInDetroit
 
2011-04-13 01:15:09 PM  
I submitted this in 1863 with a better headline.
 
2011-04-13 01:16:34 PM  

Nightsweat: Did you know all that?

Neither did I, and I grew up there.


Well then, you're a dumbass. I grew up in Illinois and I knew that.


I grew up in West Virginia and I seem to recall the entire 8th grade school year was devoted to learning about WV's formation during the Civil War. Granted that was 17 years ago for me, but I still recall it pretty clearly.
 
2011-04-13 01:17:39 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Burr: /W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.

For how much longer, I wonder?

It's turning into a post-colonial third world country thanks to years of pillaging by coal and chemical companies. And now there will be new drilling for gas, basically free of regulations.

And people wonder why we are last in everything, including health.


Yes, years of pillaging, damn those jobs it brings in. There would be so much opportunity on the side of those mountains if the coal companies had just stayed away.
 
2011-04-13 01:19:48 PM  

SundaesChild: Nightsweat: Did you know all that?

Neither did I, and I grew up there.


Well then, you're a dumbass. I grew up in Illinois and I knew that.

I grew up in West Virginia and I seem to recall the entire 8th grade school year was devoted to learning about WV's formation during the Civil War. Granted that was 17 years ago for me, but I still recall it pretty clearly.


I grew up in Northeast KY and we had the entire 8th grade about WV, KY and VA for some reason. I guess it was because we were all Virginia at one point.
 
2011-04-13 01:21:33 PM  
I love my state. That is all.
 
2011-04-13 01:22:09 PM  
If a couple gets divorced in West Virginia, are they still legally brother and sister?
 
2011-04-13 01:28:19 PM  
Did you know Union troops were posted at many polling places to "keep the peace?" And that several counties actually voted against joining West Virginia but were included anyway for strategic reasons (like the presence of a railroad or coal reserves)?

I did.

And I don't live there. I live in Ohio, but I was born there.

Heck of a shady dealing, but all's fair in...something, something, something.

For more info...

http://www.wvculture.org/history/statehoo.html

\Yes, that link is about statehoo
\\Make your own jokes, sicko.
 
2011-04-13 01:29:23 PM  
Was the ironic tag out banging his sister? I find it hilarious that the author is upset about hillbilly stereotypes, when he himself did not receive any proper education. You know, kinda like your stereotypical hillbilly.

Hell, I knew how WV was formed and I went to public school in Tennessee.
 
2011-04-13 01:30:50 PM  
They exercised a right of secession from a larger political body that had attempted to exercise its right of secession from a larger political body, which right was spelled out in the U.S. Constitution? And they are virtuous heroes while the other secessionists are traitorous rebels?

OK, got it.
 
2011-04-13 01:33:15 PM  

babysealclubber: Karma Chameleon: Burr: /W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.

For how much longer, I wonder?

It's turning into a post-colonial third world country thanks to years of pillaging by coal and chemical companies. And now there will be new drilling for gas, basically free of regulations.

And people wonder why we are last in everything, including health.

Yes, years of pillaging, damn those jobs it brings in. There would be so much opportunity on the side of those mountains if the coal companies had just stayed away.


Mountaintop removal has greatly reduced the need for a lot of those jobs.

babysealclubber: Karma Chameleon: Burr: /W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.

For how much longer, I wonder?

It's turning into a post-colonial third world country thanks to years of pillaging by coal and chemical companies. And now there will be new drilling for gas, basically free of regulations.

And people wonder why we are last in everything, including health.

Yes, years of pillaging, damn those jobs it brings in. There would be so much opportunity on the side of those mountains if the coal companies had just stayed away.


Sadly you're right, other opportunities are few and far between. That is what needs to change, but WV is stuck in the past. And mountaintop removal and the like have eliminated the need for a lot of those traditional mining jobs. So we have more sick, out of work miners generation after generation.
 
2011-04-13 01:34:28 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Burr: /W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.

For how much longer, I wonder?

It's turning into a post-colonial third world country thanks to years of pillaging by coal and chemical companies. And now there will be new drilling for gas, basically free of regulations.

And people wonder why we are last in everything, including health.



Well the chemical companies have been here in the Kanawha Valley for ever....and I wouldn't say they are necessarily proliferating anywhere else. The Kanwha, Elk and New are cleaner than they have been in at LEAST 50 years because of increased awareness. When my parents were young, they wouldn't freeze due to pollution.

Strip mining is the most terrible thing one can do to a beautiful, productive landscape...not to mention they employ 1/20th of the number of people a deepmine does. I have to visit strip sites for work on occassion and it makes me sick everytime.

Drilling for natural gas never stopped....but I assume you are talking about Marcellus Shale? Gas drilling regulations are pretty strict...I have first hand knowledge of this also, many of the "issues" you have heard of are misinformed interpretations, over-blown, doomsday speculation or just flat out lies. I'm no advocate for gas companies, because they are evil...BUT it will bring alot of work to those who need it.

But if it is such a "post-colonial third world country"* here as you put it, then you are certainly free to move to Orlando or Charlotte like everyone else.


*ok the SW counties of Wayne, Mingo, McDowell and Lincoln are pretty bad
 
2011-04-13 01:36:52 PM  

revoltingdevelopment: They exercised a right of secession from a larger political body that had attempted to exercise its right of secession from a larger political body, which right was spelled out in the U.S. Constitution? And they are virtuous heroes while the other secessionists are traitorous rebels?

OK, got it.


Point of view really. I still think they are a bunch of fat uneducated hillbillies who have easily been taken advantage of by the energy companies.
 
2011-04-13 01:38:17 PM  
Oh good god, is WAPO still on this "Civil War" kick?

I'll just leave these here.

The Official, Politically-Correct Cause of the 'Civil War'
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo206.html

Paul Krugman's 'Civil War' Fantasies
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo204.html
 
2011-04-13 01:38:54 PM  

ttintagel: I've often thought they should consider changing the name to "South Pennsylvania."


Northeastern Kentucky
 
2011-04-13 01:40:50 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Sadly you're right, other opportunities are few and far between. That is what needs to change, but WV is stuck in the past. And mountaintop removal and the like have eliminated the need for a lot of those traditional mining jobs. So we have more sick, out of work miners generation after generation.


The reason coal is surface mined is because most of the thick coal that can be mined underground is taken or being mined. I worry about West Virginia (and East Kentucky) when App Coal runs out in ~60 years. There is nothing really there outside of the Kanawha County area (Huntington, Charleston, Etc), and that's not exactly a peachy scenario either.
 
2011-04-13 01:43:12 PM  
I went to school in one of the poorest counties in the state and they taught all of this in the 8th grade. This farker was probably homeschooled or something.

Proud to be from WV.
 
2011-04-13 01:44:00 PM  

2KanZam: Karma Chameleon: Burr: /W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.

For how much longer, I wonder?

It's turning into a post-colonial third world country thanks to years of pillaging by coal and chemical companies. And now there will be new drilling for gas, basically free of regulations.

And people wonder why we are last in everything, including health.


Well the chemical companies have been here in the Kanawha Valley for ever....and I wouldn't say they are necessarily proliferating anywhere else. The Kanwha, Elk and New are cleaner than they have been in at LEAST 50 years because of increased awareness. When my parents were young, they wouldn't freeze due to pollution.

Strip mining is the most terrible thing one can do to a beautiful, productive landscape...not to mention they employ 1/20th of the number of people a deepmine does. I have to visit strip sites for work on occassion and it makes me sick everytime.

Drilling for natural gas never stopped....but I assume you are talking about Marcellus Shale? Gas drilling regulations are pretty strict...I have first hand knowledge of this also, many of the "issues" you have heard of are misinformed interpretations, over-blown, doomsday speculation or just flat out lies. I'm no advocate for gas companies, because they are evil...BUT it will bring alot of work to those who need it.

But if it is such a "post-colonial third world country"* here as you put it, then you are certainly free to move to Orlando or Charlotte like everyone else.


*ok the SW counties of Wayne, Mingo, McDowell and Lincoln are pretty bad


I would still not touch anything that had been in the Kanawha river. I can't vouch for the other two. Cleaner does not mean clean.

I was referring to Marcellus, and yes, I am concerned about the potential water pollution issues. Jobs are important, but so is sustainability. The same people in WV who are so worried about "spending away our grandchildren's future" are the same ones who support any type of jobs, with little to no oversight, no matter the long-term impact on those very futures.

I left after college. My family is still there and I visit a lot. I love it - it's home. But I just wish we could join the 21st century.
 
2011-04-13 01:44:08 PM  

The Dogs of War: have you seen the geography of west virginia? it's in the middle of appalacia. there's no place for large scale agriculture like in virginia and the other southern states.


Have you ever even been here? I see the view from the news isn't so good.
 
2011-04-13 01:45:11 PM  

2KanZam: Strip mining is the most terrible thing one can do to a beautiful, productive landscape...not to mention they employ 1/20th of the number of people a deepmine does. I have to visit strip sites for work on occassion and it makes me sick everytime.


Productive? How? Timbering would be about your only option and we know how much environmentalists love cutting trees. Plus, it's not an issue of just employing less people, most coal mined at surface mines would not have been mined period if they had to do it underground (Too thin, inconsistent seams, poor roof/ground, etc)). So what you see as using 5% of the labor needed in underground mining, I say those are jobs that wouldn't exist.
 
2011-04-13 01:46:22 PM  

babysealclubber: The reason coal is surface mined is because most of the thick coal that can be mined underground is taken or being mined.


Exactly. We've used it up. And what do we have to show for it?

/We need(ed) some of that Alaska oil company socialism.
 
2011-04-13 01:49:30 PM  

Karma Chameleon: babysealclubber: The reason coal is surface mined is because most of the thick coal that can be mined underground is taken or being mined.

Exactly. We've used it up. And what do we have to show for it?

/We need(ed) some of that Alaska oil company socialism.


I'm not arguing any of that. Read the rest of what I said. I worry for the state of West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky. They don't have anything else and need something. If people think it's damn near a third-world country in Central Appalachia now, just wait a couple of years.
 
2011-04-13 01:51:30 PM  

Cymbal: I still think they are a bunch of fat uneducated hillbillies who have easily been taken advantage of by the energy companies.


Those fat, uneducated hillbillies know a lot more practical/basic life skills then you ever will.

I have always said hillbillies are one of the groups that will survive the downfall of civilization, only because they live like that already.

/knows a lot of hillbillies
//One makes peach "wine", and it goes down too smooth...
 
2011-04-13 01:51:43 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Burr: /W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.

For how much longer, I wonder?

It's turning into a post-colonial third world country thanks to years of pillaging by coal and chemical companies. And now there will be new drilling for gas, basically free of regulations.

And people wonder why we are last in everything, including health.


Whoa, hold on there! You're forgetting "Sweet Home -------" (fill in the blank, y'all) (hint: it's got a bunch of A's)
 
2011-04-13 01:54:59 PM  

Burr: Cymbal: I still think they are a bunch of fat uneducated hillbillies who have easily been taken advantage of by the energy companies.

Those fat, uneducated hillbillies know a lot more practical/basic life skills then you ever will.

I have always said hillbillies are one of the groups that will survive the downfall of civilization, only because they live like that already.
/knows a lot of hillbillies
//One makes peach "wine", and it goes down too smooth...


This. It never bothered me when people would call me hillbilly. I just always took it to mean I could survive without a lot of modern conveniences.
 
2011-04-13 01:58:09 PM  
Jarhead_h

Here is the opening line from the "Publishers Weekly" review on Amazon, which you kindly linked.

In this laughable screed, a senior fellow at the libertarian/free market Ludwig von Mises Institute charges that most scholars of the Civil War are part of a "Lincoln cult" and determined to fool the American public into thinking that our 16th president was a hero.

I got no farther.
 
2011-04-13 02:02:51 PM  

babysealclubber: Burr: Cymbal: I still think they are a bunch of fat uneducated hillbillies who have easily been taken advantage of by the energy companies.

Those fat, uneducated hillbillies know a lot more practical/basic life skills then you ever will.

I have always said hillbillies are one of the groups that will survive the downfall of civilization, only because they live like that already.
/knows a lot of hillbillies
//One makes peach "wine", and it goes down too smooth...

This. It never bothered me when people would call me hillbilly. I just always took it to mean I could survive without a lot of modern conveniences.


I always correct people that confuse hillbillies with rednecks.

/there is a difference
 
2011-04-13 02:08:13 PM  

Burr: Cymbal: I still think they are a bunch of fat uneducated hillbillies who have easily been taken advantage of by the energy companies.

Those fat, uneducated hillbillies know a lot more practical/basic life skills then you ever will.

I have always said hillbillies are one of the groups that will survive the downfall of civilization, only because they live like that already.

/knows a lot of hillbillies
//One makes peach "wine", and it goes down too smooth...


Awesome, so when the zombie apocalypse comes they will finally be useful to society. Got it.
 
2011-04-13 02:09:10 PM  
It is a beautiful state. Breathtaking scenery.

I ended up having emergency surgery when I was visiting my friends there, and everyone at the hospital treated me like family. (And one of the nurses was named "Sugaree!")
 
2011-04-13 02:13:08 PM  

Cymbal: Burr: Cymbal: I still think they are a bunch of fat uneducated hillbillies who have easily been taken advantage of by the energy companies.

Those fat, uneducated hillbillies know a lot more practical/basic life skills then you ever will.

I have always said hillbillies are one of the groups that will survive the downfall of civilization, only because they live like that already.

/knows a lot of hillbillies
//One makes peach "wine", and it goes down too smooth...

Awesome, so when the zombie apocalypse comes they will finally be useful to society. Got it.


Don't get hillbillies confused with white trash. Hillbillies have always been useful to society. They built railroads, served in the military, they mine coal that runs the country, etc. White trash, on the other hand, is the kind of people you see in "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia."
 
2011-04-13 02:15:56 PM  

Cymbal: Awesome, so when the zombie apocalypse comes they will finally be useful to society. Got it.


Doesn't need to be just a zombie apocalypse, maybe just really bad economic times....

/good thing we don't have to worry about either of those scenarios
//learned more talking with my hillbilly neighbors then with my college professor
///more useful stuff anyway
 
2011-04-13 02:22:45 PM  

Burr: my college professor


I should say "professors"

/yes, I finished
 
2011-04-13 02:25:35 PM  

Karma Chameleon: 2KanZam: Karma Chameleon: Burr: /W. Virgina is a beautiful state. Lots of green in the warmer months, lots of rivers running through valleys, large waterfalls, very nature friendly state.

For how much longer, I wonder?

It's turning into a post-colonial third world country thanks to years of pillaging by coal and chemical companies. And now there will be new drilling for gas, basically free of regulations.

And people wonder why we are last in everything, including health.


Well the chemical companies have been here in the Kanawha Valley for ever....and I wouldn't say they are necessarily proliferating anywhere else. The Kanwha, Elk and New are cleaner than they have been in at LEAST 50 years because of increased awareness. When my parents were young, they wouldn't freeze due to pollution.

Strip mining is the most terrible thing one can do to a beautiful, productive landscape...not to mention they employ 1/20th of the number of people a deepmine does. I have to visit strip sites for work on occassion and it makes me sick everytime.

Drilling for natural gas never stopped....but I assume you are talking about Marcellus Shale? Gas drilling regulations are pretty strict...I have first hand knowledge of this also, many of the "issues" you have heard of are misinformed interpretations, over-blown, doomsday speculation or just flat out lies. I'm no advocate for gas companies, because they are evil...BUT it will bring alot of work to those who need it.

But if it is such a "post-colonial third world country"* here as you put it, then you are certainly free to move to Orlando or Charlotte like everyone else.


*ok the SW counties of Wayne, Mingo, McDowell and Lincoln are pretty bad

I would still not touch anything that had been in the Kanawha river. I can't vouch for the other two. Cleaner does not mean clean.

I was referring to Marcellus, and yes, I am concerned about the potential water pollution issues. Jobs are important, but so is sustainability. The same people in WV who are so worried about "spending away our grandchildren's future" are the same ones who support any type of jobs, with little to no oversight, no matter the long-term impact on those very futures.

I left after college. My family is still there and I visit a lot. I love it - it's home. But I just wish we could join the 21st century.


Considering what the Kanawha went through (Nearly dead by the 60s) it is doing really well and alot of the attitudes towards it's cleanliness, like your own, are passed down from our parents. It's cleaner than most major rivers in the country that come anywhere near industrialized areas. That said, I will not eat anything out of it, although the DNR says in most places you can...at least once a month.

True sustainability isn't really an issue for the gas itself, given that Natural Gas is considered a non-renewable resource, but responsible road cutting, drilling and fracking are. As long as regulations are adhered to as strictly as they should be, the environmental worries are minimal.

I will agree that there are many here who see jobs and disregard the environmental implications. But my point is that environmental; regulation, compliance and awareness is getting better here and has been for decades now....and I get to see many of the "success stories" first hand.

We need to develop more, however develop responsibly. And no this does not include strip malls.

/I love it here
//Kind of like not belonging to the 21st century
///Need to stop strip mining
 
2011-04-13 02:26:00 PM  

babysealclubber: Cymbal: Burr: Cymbal: I still think they are a bunch of fat uneducated hillbillies who have easily been taken advantage of by the energy companies.

Those fat, uneducated hillbillies know a lot more practical/basic life skills then you ever will.

I have always said hillbillies are one of the groups that will survive the downfall of civilization, only because they live like that already.

/knows a lot of hillbillies
//One makes peach "wine", and it goes down too smooth...

Awesome, so when the zombie apocalypse comes they will finally be useful to society. Got it.

Don't get hillbillies confused with white trash. Hillbillies have always been useful to society. They built railroads, served in the military, they mine coal that runs the country, etc. White trash, on the other hand, is the kind of people you see in "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia."


True, but isn't there some overlap there? I'm sure not all hillbillies are white trash, but some must be as worthless as tits on a boar now that they are jobless, and don't have the opportunity to be retrained for another occupation.
 
2011-04-13 02:34:19 PM  

Cymbal: babysealclubber: Cymbal: Burr: Cymbal: I still think they are a bunch of fat uneducated hillbillies who have easily been taken advantage of by the energy companies.

Those fat, uneducated hillbillies know a lot more practical/basic life skills then you ever will.

I have always said hillbillies are one of the groups that will survive the downfall of civilization, only because they live like that already.

/knows a lot of hillbillies
//One makes peach "wine", and it goes down too smooth...

Awesome, so when the zombie apocalypse comes they will finally be useful to society. Got it.

Don't get hillbillies confused with white trash. Hillbillies have always been useful to society. They built railroads, served in the military, they mine coal that runs the country, etc. White trash, on the other hand, is the kind of people you see in "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia."

True, but isn't there some overlap there? I'm sure not all hillbillies are white trash, but some must be as worthless as tits on a boar now that they are jobless, and don't have the opportunity to be retrained for another occupation.


Sure, it's no different than the rest of the country, some people are useless, others are not. There is white trash in the city as well. It's just outsiders who think it's so much worse than what inner-city populations go through, a.k.a. Same shiat, different story. It would be like me saying Cincinnati would finally be useful and basing that on OTR/Liberty Street areas of the city.
 
2011-04-13 02:34:24 PM  

Cymbal: True, but isn't there some overlap there? I'm sure not all hillbillies are white trash, but some must be as worthless as tits on a boar now that they are jobless, and don't have the opportunity to be retrained for another occupation.


I would say that there is an overlap, but a lot of them don't have a job unless you count "survival" as a job.

Not everybody needs a job to survive you know. They make do with a barter system, they trade skills that they may have (mechanical repair, horticulture, carpentry, making booze) for goods that they can not acquire on their own.

I knew a cattle farmer who bartered with a hillbilly half a cow in exchange for vehicle repair.

Also, most of them are happy that way as well. They don't have to worry about going to work, they don't have to take crap from a boss, don't have to deal with traffic. They enjoy living life instead of working their ass off.
 
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