WTF?

CP?

WHY ON EARTH DOES YOUR FATHER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY MONEY?! He's a moron!

Wow, this isn't going to turn out well for the crown.

So, she did a change of address for her father, and was surprised that companies used that change of address information?

In the US, if you're doing a discounted postage mailing you're required by law to run addresses through the National Change of Address registry.

It sounds like everything happened like it should have.

What is it with old people falling for scams all the time? Are they that desperately lonely that they'll sign up for anything that uses friendly language?

Why is that daughter trying to screw up the old man fun. It's his money... oh wait you want some when he finally dies.

akula:

Her problem is that Daddy no longer had enough mental ability to handle his own affairs. Yeah, the scammers are annoying as hell, but government doesn't really give a shiat about that.

Yah, I saw that, and that's terrible, but it sounds like what she did at the end, putting him on the no spam list or whatever, is what she should have done to begin with. I assume whenever she's moved the same updates happened to her mail and she didn't complain then.

voodoowizard: Why is that daughter trying to screw up the old man fun. It's his money... oh wait you want some when he finally dies.

Believe it or not but taking care of the elderly on a fixed income is expensive.

I Like Bread: What is it with old people falling for scams all the time? Are they that desperately lonely that they'll sign up for anything that uses friendly language?

One of the things that starts to go in many people as they age is their logical reasoning skills. It is the most severe in dementia patients (like Alzheimer's and so on) but there are some people who have no specific medial problems and their higher reasoning just goes to hell as they age.

mekkab: WHY ON EARTH DOES YOUR FATHER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY MONEY?! He's a moron!

I don't know about Canada, but in my Father's case, it was because it is incredibly hard to get control of another person. My mom had power of attorney for my Father, but could not get him declared incompetent because he could still remember his pin number even when he couldn't remember what he had for breakfast. Plus he could pull it together for the doctors, who then looked at us like we were scheming for his money. Never mind that I had to watch over him so he didn't set the house on fire.

Combine that with legitimate credit card companies targeting the nursing home, and you have a total clusterfark. It's been three years since he died and my mom is still getting hassled by bill collectors. He apparently signed up for (and never used) several credit cards. Mom is still paying the fees off.

LadyMech: mekkab: WHY ON EARTH DOES YOUR FATHER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY MONEY?! He's a moron!

I don't know about Canada, but in my Father's case, it was because it is incredibly hard to get control of another person. My mom had power of attorney for my Father, but could not get him declared incompetent because he could still remember his pin number even when he couldn't remember what he had for breakfast. Plus he could pull it together for the doctors, who then looked at us like we were scheming for his money. Never mind that I had to watch over him so he didn't set the house on fire.

Combine that with legitimate credit card companies targeting the nursing home, and you have a total clusterfark. It's been three years since he died and my mom is still getting hassled by bill collectors. He apparently signed up for (and never used) several credit cards. Mom is still paying the fees off.

That sounds crappy, all around.

It costs $72.50 to divert your mail for a year in Canada?

LadyMech: He apparently signed up for (and never used) several credit cards. Mom is still paying the fees off.

If her name wasn't on the accounts, she shouldn't have had to pay anything off. His estate might, but she shouldn't.

That's what I used to think.

FTFA: "Canada Post said it investigates about 10 complaints per year about the system - a tiny fraction of the number of customers who use it."

Maybe they should investigate more of their complaints.

Junk mailers should be tossed in PMITA prison right alongside the email spammers, if not given the death penalty. Words cannot describe how much I loathe those people.

IF I WANT YOUR SHIAT I WILL SEEK YOU OUT AND BUY IT FROM YOU.

/ok, calming down now.

honk: LadyMech: He apparently signed up for (and never used) several credit cards. Mom is still paying the fees off.

If her name wasn't on the accounts, she shouldn't have had to pay anything off. His estate might, but she shouldn't.

He did put her name on some of the cards. He pretty much ruined her credit. I really wish that there was some law against all scams, etc that target people in nursing homes. But then I suppose the AARP would say that it would be discrimination. Even though the nurses told us that the Alzheimer's ward got nearly twice the mail that father did.

Subby deserves a cock punch. That's one of the worst headlines ever.

Bite it subby. Bite it long and hard.

/Mods why do you greenlight this shiat?

Danger Mouse: Subby deserves a cock punch. That's one of the worst headlines ever.

Bite it subby. Bite it long and hard.

/Mods why do you greenlight this shiat?

I: *agree agree* with this "statement"

She estimates her father - a retired farmer on a fixed income - was taken for about $30,000.

The fact this idiot made it to the ripe old age of 84 is the true story in this article.

I want to read the article on the dark world of Fark Mods, probably more secrets than the freemasons.
Has anyone been .....murdered.... for revealing these secrets?

LeGringo: Why would a newspaper give out people's addresses?

/DNRTFA

Post is mail; Globe and Mail is newspaper.

/Canada, What a country!
//saw what you were trying to do, took it in my own direction.

the [change of address] form ... indicates customers should check the box if they "do not wish to [have their new address passed on to other agencies]"

Canada Post said more than 80 per cent of customers do not check the box - which means they give their consent.

Funk said she didn't notice the box - and even if she did, she wouldn't have known what it really meant.


How's this for a new headline: Woman fills out change of address form, does not opt out of addreess forwarding service, acts surprised when her address gets forwarded.

Flakeloaf: the [change of address] form ... indicates customers should check the box if they "do not wish to [have their new address passed on to other agencies]"

Canada Post said more than 80 per cent of customers do not check the box - which means they give their consent.

Funk said she didn't notice the box - and even if she did, she wouldn't have known what it really meant.


How's this for a new headline: Woman fills out change of address form, does not opt out of addreess forwarding service, acts surprised when her address gets forwarded.

Know how I know that you didn't RTFA?

Haldemonster: It costs $72.50 to divert your mail for a year in Canada?

as a Canadian living in the US for the last several years i have been astounded at how much better the postal service is here. price, delivery times, reliability, forwarding and hold options ... the USPS kicks ass. Canada is like the third world by comparison when it comes to post. It's a big and sparsely populated country so that's somewhat understandable.

the employees here in Boston are pretty curmudgeonly but that's a price i'm willing to pay.

lunkhed: Flakeloaf: the [change of address] form ... indicates customers should check the box if they "do not wish to [have their new address passed on to other agencies]"

Canada Post said more than 80 per cent of customers do not check the box - which means they give their consent.

Funk said she didn't notice the box - and even if she did, she wouldn't have known what it really meant.

How's this for a new headline: Woman fills out change of address form, does not opt out of addreess forwarding service, acts surprised when her address gets forwarded.

Know how I know that you didn't RTFA?

From TFA:

They went to their local post office and filled out a "Change of Address Notification" form - to get their dad's mail forwarded to Funk's post office box. Woman fills out change of address form,

Funk said she didn't notice the [allow Canada Post to forward your new address] box - and even if she did, she wouldn't have known what it really meant. does not opt out of address forwarding service,

"His forwarding address is being sold - and then my box number is being used without my authorization," she said. "I feel absolutely that my privacy was invaded." acts surprised when her address is forwarded

Seems I can read just fine.

It would be nice if the form said who these "partners" were or gave you an option to pick and choose who gets your new address, but nothing says you have to use that service. You're perfectly free to say "No, don't share my new address with anyone" and then inform your regular senders where to direct your mail in the future.

squegeebooo: So, she did a change of address for her father, and was surprised that companies used that change of address information?

In the US, if you're doing a discounted postage mailing you're required by law to run addresses through the National Change of Address registry.

It sounds like everything happened like it should have.

Agreed. By forwarding the new addresses, it ultimately saves the postal service money and processing time because they don't have to keep putting those little forwarding labels on all of your mail, or send it all back to the sender.

If you don't want junk mail, go on a no-spam list, or contact the sender and ask to be taken off the list.

/still can't figure out why some banks will keep sending a credit card offer every week when I already have a card with them.

Flakeloaf:
Seems I can read just fine.


It was a forward of her fathers address to her house, not her address to anything new.

Haldemonster: It costs $72.50 to divert your mail for a year in Canada?

I gave up my PO Box when the price jumped from $85 to $128 per year. Since then it has gone up to $135.

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Agreed. By forwarding the new addresses, it ultimately saves the postal service money and processing time because they don't have to keep putting those little forwarding labels on all of your mail, or send it all back to the sender.

If you don't want junk mail, go on a no-spam list, or contact the sender and ask to be taken off the list.

/still can't figure out why some banks will keep sending a credit card offer every week when I already have a card with them.

For address changes here, the post office puts bright yellow stickers on your mail that redirects it to your new address. If you ask them to, they'll also tell a set list of agencies where you've gone so the number of change-of-address cards you need to mail out yourself is reduced. Unless of course you ask them not to do that.

We do have an opt-out program for unaddressed mail (which unfortunately doesn't protect our mailboxes from flyers and crappy community newspapers with 4 pages of articles and 60 pages of ads) as well as a do-not-mail list for registered marketing associations.

And yes, it is insanely expensive.

squegeebooo: It was a forward of her fathers address to her house, not her address to anything new.

Tomato, tomato. You know full well what I meant.

R I P Funk Brothers

Flakeloaf:

For address changes here, the post office puts bright yellow stickers on your mail that redirects it to your new address. If you ask them to, they'll also tell a set list of agencies where you've gone so the number of change-of-address cards you need to mail out yourself is reduced. Unless of course you ask them not to do that.

There is also an NCOA database for the US, that any bulk discount mailer is required to use every 3 months or so, or else face fines/penalties. The whole point of the USPS only forwarding for the first 3 months is that after that point any mailing company should have your new address in their system.


squegeebooo: It was a forward of her fathers address to her house, not her address to anything new.

Tomato, tomato. You know full well what I meant.

I was just letting you know.

Haldemonster: It costs $72.50 to divert your mail for a year in Canada?

I read that as meaning that the P.O. Box cost $72.50 per year.

squegeebooo:
I was just letting you know.

Thanks :).

/I actually do assume others know what I mean when they don't
//learning to explain things a lot

voodoowizard: Why is that daughter trying to screw up the old man fun. It's his money... oh wait you want some when he finally dies.

Yeah, she's in it for the money. Retired farmers on pension living in Swift Current, SK.

That's where the money's at.

LadyMech: mekkab: WHY ON EARTH DOES YOUR FATHER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY MONEY?! He's a moron!

I don't know about Canada, but in my Father's case, it was because it is incredibly hard to get control of another person. My mom had power of attorney for my Father, but could not get him declared incompetent because he could still remember his pin number even when he couldn't remember what he had for breakfast. Plus he could pull it together for the doctors, who then looked at us like we were scheming for his money. Never mind that I had to watch over him so he didn't set the house on fire.

Combine that with legitimate credit card companies targeting the nursing home, and you have a total clusterfark. It's been three years since he died and my mom is still getting hassled by bill collectors. He apparently signed up for (and never used) several credit cards. Mom is still paying the fees off.

I'm sorry. I'm sure there's some good stuff in there, but I couldn't get past "pin number."
"Please enter your Personal Identification Number Number at the Automated Teller Machine Machine."

Hey he had 30 grand to blow... ya never know?

Wow Swift Current might be small but it has 2 golf courses.

As my mom aged and realized she was financially secure, she decided to send money to March of Dimes. She lost a couple of kids to birth defects. The resultant explosion of mailings and calls from charities was astonishing. It has been at least ten years, and she still gets mailings. Needless to say, it has been almost that long since anyone got any money as I handle her mail. Nothing is opened unless I recognize the sender. Hello shredder.

I also put her on state and federal no call lists. I check caller ID when I visit each day to she if she has been called by unknown solicitors. I file complaints on all of those callers in both systems. It is to the point where I only have to file every two or three months. I have been pleased with the State of Missouri people. They seem to be effective and they follow up with notices about consent decrees and court cases developed from complaints.

We call block politicians and others that have written themselves an exemption to no call laws. That requires constant update, but works fairly well. We also block unlisted or not provided numbers. That doesn't seem to work as well.

Also, if you call the corporate representative and say your mother is 88 years old, most agree to stop calling her. Continued calling then I make a last call. I say even if they have the right because of business relationship, any more calls will result in a complaint under state elder abuse laws. They stop calling. I don't know if that would work or not, since I have never had to follow through with the state.

The neighbors call me if they see strangers looking at her gutters or driveway or entering her house. I arrived to find three people inside her house trying to sell her a Kirby vacuum. I asked for their door-to-door sales license. They told me they didn't need one. Should have seen their faces when I speed dialed and said this is the mayor get me the chief. I told the chief of police three people were in my mothers house selling something without a license. They executed the fastest pack and run I have ever seen, but it wasn't fast enough. The duty car blocked them in the driveway. One of them had a warrant. Seeing that guy get cuffed and put in the back of the patrol car had an impression on my mother that has lasted to this day. She never has let a stranger into her house since that day to my knowledge.

She is independent and on the go, but at the same time susceptible to fraud artists. It is possible to slow down the con men, but you have to work at it.

DVDave: I'm sorry. I'm sure there's some good stuff in there, but I couldn't get past "pin number."

You must be the life of the party.

SnakeMittens: Also, if you call the corporate representative and say your mother is 88 years old, most agree to stop calling her.

Unfortunately, if you tell them your grandmother is dead, they will continue to send catalogs and brochures, because they don't care.

/Called DirecTV, asked them if they can install dishes on urns
//they were offended

LadyMech: Combine that with legitimate credit card companies targeting the nursing home, and you have a total clusterfark. It's been three years since he died and my mom is still getting hassled by bill collectors. He apparently signed up for (and never used) several credit cards. Mom is still paying the fees off.

Screw them. Debt not proved = write off when he dies. As for the 'put some of them in both names' - screw them TWICE. Ask for her signature on the documentation. Sue them back for issuing credit in her name without her signature.

mekkab: WHY ON EARTH DOES YOUR FATHER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY MONEY?! He's a moron!

Because the degeneration is a sad, slow affair, and as he's still 'mostly' competent it's tough to get a judgement taking his control of his money away from him?

My mom is in the same boat with her father.