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2011-04-12 01:10:07 PM

Damian: Grass Hopper: Depleted Uranium Shells - because that sounds so much better than 'tactical nuclear weapons'

Nuclear weapons, by definition require a criticality event that results in an exponential rise in power output, resulting in massive expansion of the device due to heating, a massive neutron flux, and fission products.

The DU round is a kinetic kill device that is slightly radioactive, and by nature of the depletion of the uranium is physically incapable of going critical itself.

Trolls can't be expected to know what they are speaking about.

Also, this is a thread about Fukushima, not DU, asshole.


Well, let's examine that definition:


Tactical - a weapon used in the tactical rather than strategic theater, such as an ICBM. Check.

Nuclear - energy delivery system achieved through nuclear means (depleted uranium is a byproduct of the fission process). Check.

A nuclear reaction at point of impact is not necessary to the definition, this weapon manages to spread around all that wonderful radioactive dust and fallout without blowing up a whole city. Hence, tactical.

Weapon - self explanatory. Check.

TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON.

Saying that depleted uranium doesn't fit the bill because it doesn't meet YOUR criteria is very close to the 'experts' who are trying to downplay the huge farking nuclear disaster that is Fukushima by saying that it doesn't meet their criteria for a Chernobyl.

And people will take you more seriously if you don't come out of the gate with epithets like "asshole", it generally denotes someone who is covering his lack of a solid argumentative basis with invective.
 
2011-04-12 01:12:05 PM

TheTaiPan: I don't think this is a good comparison. Japan's radiation levels total, including long-term leakage of radiation may total Chernobyl, but Chernobyl just went from zero to holymotherofGodfarked, while Japan's farking took time to fully mature into a full-on clusterfark.



That is because Japan's reactors tried hard and did their best not to disturb the wa.
 
2011-04-12 01:20:35 PM
Are we dead yet?
 
2011-04-12 01:21:45 PM
Coincidentally, right before this disaster, I got really interested in Chernobyl and checked out all the documentaries available at the library. There are a lot of parallels between the two disasters. A couple lessons to learn: If there is a disaster, officials will lie through their teeth about it. No one wants to admit the worst. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot of suicides among those in charge of the plant. I'm talking at least three suicides apiece.
 
2011-04-12 01:34:01 PM
Interesting how raising the designation to "7" has changed the mood of the public.
And, where is our Damned leaders when we need them?
Not a shred of intelligent leadership from the 0b0mbaHaus.

What direction should Americans be taking short term, long term?
How about some prep for catastrophe in general, while its easy, while supply and etc are normal.
Needs to be done anyway..
Is the govt paralysed with Fear, or they just don't care?

It looks like they're just sitting around on fancy cushions,
picking lice from each others crotches with their gold plated teeth;
as usual.
 
2011-04-12 01:35:20 PM
Still trying to threadjack, asshole? You do realize that you're not an asshole because you're wrong. You're an asshole because you're trying to start up a DU debate in a Fukushima thread. This ad hominem has nothing to do with the substance of my argument. You're an asshole outside of it.

This is the last I will say on this because I'm right, and you can try to refute as much as you want, but I will not respond further in this thread about DU because this isn't the thread to waste others' time trying to correct someone's willful and aggressive ignorance held on to in pursuit of an agenda.

A radiological weapon involves the spread of radioactive isotopes through a non-nuclear explosion or other mechanical dispersion. DU weapons can fit this definition since they can vaporize upon impact and spread the radioactive uranium in the localized area, and if there are large explosions, then they may be spread over a larger area.

A nuclear weapon involves creating a critical mass, resulting in a nuclear chain reaction. Period. Nuclear weapons have nuclear explosions.

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Please try to learn something.
 
2011-04-12 01:42:04 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Coincidentally, right before this disaster, I got really interested in Chernobyl and checked out all the documentaries available at the library. There are a lot of parallels between the two disasters. A couple lessons to learn: If there is a disaster, officials will lie through their teeth about it. No one wants to admit the worst. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot of suicides among those in charge of the plant. I'm talking at least three suicides apiece.


Check out this youtube video if you haven't seen it before. It's called "The Battle for Chernobyl" or something like that. It's a great telling of the story.

Link (new window)
 
2011-04-12 02:04:15 PM

Damian: Still trying to threadjack, asshole? You do realize that you're not an asshole because you're wrong. You're an asshole because you're trying to start up a DU debate in a Fukushima thread. This ad hominem has nothing to do with the substance of my argument. You're an asshole outside of it.

This is the last I will say on this because I'm right, and you can try to refute as much as you want, but I will not respond further in this thread about DU because this isn't the thread to waste others' time trying to correct someone's willful and aggressive ignorance held on to in pursuit of an agenda.

A radiological weapon involves the spread of radioactive isotopes through a non-nuclear explosion or other mechanical dispersion. DU weapons can fit this definition since they can vaporize upon impact and spread the radioactive uranium in the localized area, and if there are large explosions, then they may be spread over a larger area.

A nuclear weapon involves creating a critical mass, resulting in a nuclear chain reaction. Period. Nuclear weapons have nuclear explosions.

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Please try to learn something.


If you want me to learn something you can address your remarks to me, rather than the world in general.

And, if you actually were paying attention, you would find that I did not bring up the subject of DU in this thread, I simply responded to it, like you did. So you are lashing out at the wrong asshole.

However, since this does seem to upset you so much, I will grant your point. They are Tactical Radiological Weapons, or dirty weapons, just like the ones we're afraid those inhuman, godless terrorists will use against us.

Happier now?
 
2011-04-12 02:05:11 PM

Corvus: So you're basically a gigantic pussy then?

Ahh back when you called people being evacuated "Pussies".

Do you still think they are pussies? I imagine you are afraid of what you said a month ago about the "Pussies" being evacuated.



I still remember years ago there was a big hurricane coming to hit Florida and Jon Stewart on the Daily Show shopped a pic of the main evacuation route out of Florida renamed "Pussy Promenade"
 
2011-04-12 02:14:34 PM

CB-in-Tokyo: the news is all hype and if it wasn't this then maybe it'd be the killer bees again.


Thought the problem in Japan was the killer giant hornets

3.bp.blogspot.com
That's a man's hand, baby.

They eat bees.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-04-12 02:29:32 PM
Interesting news today - US's renewable energy output will surpass that of nuclear power by the end of the year. Link (new window)

Bye bye nuclear power.
 
2011-04-12 02:36:13 PM

Damian: I lurked for two years before I signed up!: For ACTUAL information you should check on the JAIF or IAEA websites. They have real information that you can read without having to wade through 900 banana jokes or 32 assholes being utterly convinced that a Godzilla joke is the height of topical humor.

theoildrum.com also has a decent discussion thread that keeps getting updated. There are opponents and proponents there, but there's a lot less stupid and tinfoil floating around. Look for the open Fukushima threads.


If you can get past the "OMG we've destroyed Mother Earth, get ready for a giant energy/resource/food/population crash NOW" doomsday comments, that is.

Other than that, TheOilDrum is a good place to get energy based news from, you've just got to filter out the handwringers.
 
2011-04-12 02:38:49 PM

MrSteve007: Interesting news today - US's renewable energy output will surpass that of nuclear power by the end of the year. Link (new window)

Bye bye nuclear power.


It says the energy output will surpass nuclear, not replace it. Get back to me when we've managed to create enough electric power via renewables to replace the nuclear plants while keeping up with demand; until then it's a good start but not enough to say "bye bye nuclear power".
 
2011-04-12 02:50:14 PM

Bendal: It says the energy output will surpass nuclear, not replace it. Get back to me when we've managed to create enough electric power via renewables to replace the nuclear plants while keeping up with demand; until then it's a good start but not enough to say "bye bye nuclear power".


Considering we're building renewable energy sites like crazy across the US, while most nuclear plants are nearing the end of their designed operating life, and new nuclear construction has little chance of survival (by a lack of economic or public support), nuclear power's days are numbered - purely by attrition.

It wouldn't surprise me if we see at least a quarter to half of the current US nuclear plants shuttered by 2030. I look forward to the day when both of the coal (~2020), and the one nuclear plant (no date set) in the Pacific Northwest are mothballed.
 
2011-04-12 02:51:38 PM

Ivo Shandor: I like having a house with electricity and running water vs. a hole in the ground with nothing.


We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground. We 'ad to go live in the lake!
 
2011-04-12 02:56:55 PM

TheDirtyNacho: Eventually the AEC was dismantled


Along the trail you'll find me lopin'
Where the spaces are wide open,
In the land of the old A.E.C. (yea-hah!)
Where the scenery's attractive,
And the air is radioactive,
Oh, Fukushima is where I wanna be.


Mid the sagebrush and the cactus,
I'll watch the fellas practice
Droppin' bombs through the clean desert breeze.
I'll have on my sombrero,
And of course I'll wear a pair o'
Levis over my lead B.V.D.'s.

Ah will leave the city's rush,
Leave the fancy and the plush,
Leave the snow and leave the slush
And the crowds.
Ah will seek the desert's hush,
Where the scenery is lush,
How I long to see the mush-
room clouds.

'Mid the yuccas and the thistles
I'll watch the guided missiles,
While the old F.B.I. watches me. (yea-hah!)
Yes, I'll soon make my appearance
(Soon as I can get my clearance),
'Cause the wild west is where I wanna be.
 
2011-04-12 02:59:35 PM

RoyBatty: Hey CB-in-Tokyo, thanks, would you do me a favor and send me an email (farkerroybatty at gmail). I'd like to chat about where to live, expenses, salary, requirements to know Japanese, and stuff like that...


Check out farkedgaijin.com
 
2011-04-12 03:01:16 PM

Ivo Shandor: scavenger: Serious science question:
Will there be mutant bees that are the size of tennis balls that eat human flesh?

Well, considering that these already existed in Japan before the radiation leak, I'm afraid that your answer is a resounding "yes".


WeenerGord: CB-in-Tokyo: the news is all hype and if it wasn't this then maybe it'd be the killer bees again.

Thought the problem in Japan was the killer giant hornets


That's a man's hand, baby.

They eat bees.



Then there will be giant bees that eat the flesh-eating wasps.

And mutated wasps that eat the giant wasp eating bees humans, unable to defend themselves against the bee overlords.
 
2011-04-12 03:13:08 PM

bigdavediode: The real question that us observers are asking is will any of the people here who have their egos tied up with nuclear power (or politics, or anything else) learn from it. I'm a pessimist.


www.chansondelange.com
 
2011-04-12 03:38:17 PM

ThunderPelvis: the ramen is still delicious here



What are all those things sticking up in the yard behind you in your profile pic?
 
2011-04-12 03:45:03 PM
Well...... considering that the area was hit with one of THE most powerful earthquakes evar...PLUS a tsunami...I'd have to say Japan managed the whole thing pretty well. So they got that going for them .... which is nice ....
 
2011-04-12 03:47:03 PM
Depleted Uranium:
Valuable component of war material.
Understand that is why the uranium wastes are not buried;
and why Atomic Piles are designed the way they are, to make the harvest of these materials easier?

The Military is not in the business of saving lives or the environment.
just say'n
 
2011-04-12 03:54:14 PM

oldebayer: Solar and wind are fine, though not a long-term solution.


Because we know the sun and wind are due to stop soon.
 
2011-04-12 04:08:17 PM

WeenerGord: What are all those things sticking up in the yard behind you in your profile pic?


I'm not him but that's just a graveyard. The stone pillars are the actual grave markers (you inter ashes at a gravesite, not whole bodies, and it's one per family) and all the wooden sticks are things called 塔婆 (touba), at different buddhist ceremonies that happen at certain anniversaries of death they get put there by the grave. They're wooden flat narrow board like things (usually) with a decorated top and some verses on.
 
2011-04-12 04:08:18 PM

WeenerGord: oldebayer: Solar and wind are fine, though not a long-term solution.

Because we know the sun and wind are due to stop soon.


I always love this. We have millions of tons of fusing hydrogen hanging in space only 18 light minutes away - but it's not feasible to make use of such an energy source.

Instead, we should continue expending energy to mine uranium out of the ground, refine it, in order to mass it up in sub-critical piles in order to heat a giant steam kettle to create electricity. Because that's a much more efficient way to create energy.

Good gosh. It is literally raining energy out there. Problem is, we haven't put enough research money into developing a bucket.
 
2011-04-12 04:27:45 PM

Grass Hopper: WeenerGord: oldebayer: Solar and wind are fine, though not a long-term solution.

Because we know the sun and wind are due to stop soon.

I always love this. We have millions of tons of fusing hydrogen hanging in space only 18 light minutes away - but it's not feasible to make use of such an energy source.

Instead, we should continue expending energy to mine uranium out of the ground, refine it, in order to mass it up in sub-critical piles in order to heat a giant steam kettle to create electricity. Because that's a much more efficient way to create energy.

Good gosh. It is literally raining energy out there. Problem is, we haven't put enough research money into developing a bucket.


There's "Hellion" (-3He, i've playing KoL a little too much) which generates ludicrous amounts of CLEAN energy.

Problem is that we can't develop an efficient bucket, and that isn't being sarcastic (if an average of moon information is to be believed, moon dust is basically little wolverines chewing on your moonsuit, so you can't simply send a ragtag team of miners to moon with comically-shaped pickaxes to mine hellion ore)

I think space age is gone. Since nobody figured how to war at space (and they tried HARD, if they tried even psychic warfare), then nothing else will come if isn't going to bring profit TOTAL AND UTTER DESTRUCTION to a nation of their picking.

They're going to Mars then, on the back trip, deploy some LOICs.

"They"? USA, Commies, China, UCAS, whoever is still in charge of sending total-and-utter-destruction-surrender-and-forfeit charges in the future.
 
2011-04-12 04:49:39 PM
Grass Hopper [recently expired TotalFark] 2011-04-12 04:08:18 PM
WeenerGord: oldebayer: Solar and wind are fine, though not a long-term solution.
Because we know the sun and wind are due to stop soon.
I always love this. We have millions of tons of fusing hydrogen hanging in space only 18 light minutes away - but it's not feasible to make use of such an energy source.
Instead, we should continue expending energy to mine uranium out of the ground, refine it, in order to mass it up in sub-critical piles in order to heat a giant steam kettle to create electricity. Because that's a much more efficient way to create energy.
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Good gosh. It is literally raining energy out there. Problem is, we haven't put enough research money into developing a bucket."
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100 trillion plants can't be wrong. They have been around a lot longer too.
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The main reason the Atomic Piles have been promoted subsidised, and forced on the people under a thin guise?
Military interests.
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After settling the denial, finger pointing, and other chaff;
lets get down to the roots of the problem.

What will be the hidden forces [in society] that would prevent logical action in the face of disaster, and the proofs of fail?

#1 It is the Military They are in the business of destruction.
#2 Corporations because without military money, they would be far less the giants they are now.
#3 Leadership they are slaves to the military, seek to enslave the people to their purposes.
#4 The People because they refuse to stand up and be counted.
#5 The media because they seek to conceal the truth with propaganda.
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These are not forces of nature, they are completely under our control.
If we do not exercise this control, it leaves a "vacuum"
Nature abhors a vacuum.
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How to get it done?
In places that it is relatively safe, a several miles deep repository should be started and completed as if our lives depended on it being done in 6 months.
The Atomic Piles should then be cut up and glassed, and buried.

There are safer versions of Atomic Piles, which need little maintenance.
These units should be small, and designed to be permanently sealed.
These should be placed into the same tombs at a few hundred yards separation up the shaft; along with any eqipt required to make electricity. Remote control of all these systems should be the standard practice.
Ideally, only electric and control lines should extend to the surface.

Access can be quickly cutoff if needed, yet the electricity might still flow, if the correct technology is applied beforehand[robots etc]
even if a huge quake collapses the shafts and tunnels, the design should still function...
These are things that can be done now, using conscripted labor if necessary.

This might impair easy access to Atomic wastes for re use as weapons,
but that should be the least of our concerns.
Correct?

anyone have any ideas to contribute?
This is where it starts, in the grass roots.
 
2011-04-12 04:51:51 PM
luckyeddie [TotalFark] Quote 2011-04-12 06:43:49 AM
I bought some iodine yesterday.

It's to test for the presence of starch, so I can determine when my mash is complete.


What's your preferred sparging method? I'm lazy, so I batch.
 
2011-04-12 05:58:52 PM

gameshowhost: Also, "accident" and "malfeasance" aren't even close to synonomous


You are quite correct. My bad. This will teach me to post in the middle of the night while drinking. I meant to point out that an earthquake and/or tsunami are not accidents, but acts of nature (not so much predictible as inevitable), and that the bad engineering was a result of human malfeasance, as you pointed out much better than I.


JSTACAT: anyone have any ideas to contribute?
This is where it starts, in the grass roots


No rain here for about six months, so my grass roots are bone dry. :(

/Still waiting for viable fusion here on earth.
 
2011-04-12 06:08:29 PM
oldebayer [TotalFark] 2011-04-12 05:58:52 PM
-No rain here for about six months, so my grass roots are bone dry. :(

/Still waiting for viable fusion here on earth.
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You can blame Solar Fusion for that, generally.
You can also blame radioactive ions and gasses for causing splotchy deliveries of rainfall, specifically, in certain areas.

having your yard [
 
2011-04-12 06:10:07 PM
oldebayer [TotalFark] 2011-04-12 05:58:52 PM
rest of post.....

having your yard [
 
2011-04-12 06:11:51 PM
Aaaand again, dumb filter of symbol

having your yard [ about 1/2 acre] under a retractable green house / shade sys might be very profitable, if incorporates a solar photo electric film, water/air condenser, victory garden, etc
 
2011-04-12 07:33:42 PM

JSTACAT: having your yard [ about 1/2 acre] under a retractable green house / shade sys might be very profitable, if incorporates a solar photo electric film, water/air condenser, victory garden,


Ooh, I want a victory garden. It will smell like Napalm in the morning, right?
 
2011-04-12 07:55:07 PM
oldebayer [TotalFark] 2011-04-12 07:33:42 PM
JSTACAT: having your yard [ about 1/2 acre] under a retractable green house / shade sys might be very profitable, if incorporates a solar photo electric film, water/air condenser, victory garden,

Ooh, I want a victory garden. It will smell like Napalm in the morning, right?
===========================================================
meh, just invite the cops over, 911 hangup
there will be napalm
as suits yer gust,
or not.

BTW
yer sound fat,
and drunk
 
2011-04-12 08:51:20 PM

Grass Hopper: Well, let's examine that definition:


Tactical - a weapon used in the tactical rather than strategic theater, such as an ICBM. Check.

Nuclear - energy delivery system achieved through nuclear means (depleted uranium is a byproduct of the fission process). Check.

A nuclear reaction at point of impact is not necessary to the definition, this weapon manages to spread around all that wonderful radioactive dust and fallout without blowing up a whole city. Hence, tactical.

Weapon - self explanatory. Check.

TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON.


By that definition this is also a tactical nuclear weapon:

img354.imageshack.us


Unless you're going to surmise that carbon, iron, lead somehow magically poofed into existence without the magic of nuclear fusion.
 
2011-04-12 11:16:39 PM
I'd just like to congratulate the PR firm(s) who have managed to harness sooo many willing volunteer toadies and paid operatives to mount such an effective Astroturfing campaign supporting the nuclear power industry in response to this horrible disaster minor technical problem.
 
2011-04-12 11:59:25 PM

Gyrfalcon: Here is when to worry: When someone dies from the radiation. Has anyone died yet? [waits] Then we don't need to worry yet.



Hey, the building is on fire! Do we need to go outside? Has anyone burned to death yet? [waits] Then we don't need to go outside yet.
 
2011-04-13 01:06:55 AM

Ender's: WeenerGord: glenlivid: I don't want you to tell me you're going to pay me $50K a year when you know you're going to pay me $70K.

50K to 70K YEN is only about 592.74 to 829.65 dollars. You gonna live in one of the most expensive cities in the world and work yourself to death for a few hundred dollars year?

And the symbol for yen is ¥ not $



You think a gaijin working in Japan is going to get paid in US dollars?
 
2011-04-13 01:22:41 AM

Acrox: Problem is that we can't develop an efficient bucket,..followed by insane babble


Take your meds.
 
2011-04-13 01:24:39 AM

Starry Heavens: Chupacabra Sandwich: sseye: iaazathot: DORMAMU: texdent: People who could help if they weren't fictional:
Superman
Batman
Reed Richards
Firestorm
Tony Stark
Bruce Banner
Hank Pym
Hank McCoy
Goku making a wish on the Dragonballs
Sailor Moon with the Silver Crystal
T'challa

Capt atom
Capt planet
Yellow power ranger
Mighty mophing midget gnomes
Gundam zero
The doctor (3rd thru fifth, or 7th)
Evangelion suit 01
L.A. blue girl
Kakashi sensei
Voltron


Any one got any others?

The Green Lantern, Dr. Manhattan, or the Molecule Man would probably be the most effective in this situation.

Wonder Woman. With her magic gay lasso or something.

The Harlem Globetrotters

It seems like Tetsuwan Atom (Astro Boy) should help out, too.


Also
www.internationalhero.co.uk
FIXED!
www.internationalhero.co.uk
 
2011-04-13 08:27:40 AM

Corvus: And you are saying nuclear plants have less impact and people want them more then renewable power plants?

Your pulling the old "Renewable are not perfect so let's use nuclear"


I did not mean what I said that way. I only meant that no matter what method of power generation someone comes up with, someone's going to have a problem with it for some reason or another.
 
2011-04-13 10:57:49 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I did not mean what I said that way. I only meant that no matter what method of power generation someone comes up with, someone's going to have a problem with it for some reason or another.


Yup, but a lot fewer people have a problem with sun, wind and tidal than other forms of power so it's easier to get buy-in.
 
2011-04-14 07:05:07 PM

DrBenway: Insistent haikus
You are not the boss of me
Indubitably


NSS.

Your creativity with haiku blossomed. But by disavowing the potential of haiku for nippon, you demonstrate yer daddy issues. I asked only for haiku; I did not command.

I am not yer daddy.

Next time you'll drop and give me five.

;)
 
2011-04-14 07:09:15 PM

Ender's: DrBenway: Insistent haikus
You are not the boss of me
Indubitably


Same.

I was hoping for a creative heart for Japan, and you give nothing.

Color me surprised?

You can post snarky pics and comments, but you can't sacrifice your mind for a brief poem in support of our human-friends' crisis?

Boo on you.

You are capable but unwilling?

Nice.

Grow up.

;)
 
2011-04-14 07:11:09 PM

JSTACAT: oldebayer [TotalFark] 2011-04-12 07:33:42 PM
JSTACAT: having your yard [ about 1/2 acre] under a retractable green house / shade sys might be very profitable, if incorporates a solar photo electric film, water/air condenser, victory garden,

Ooh, I want a victory garden. It will smell like Napalm in the morning, right?
===========================================================
meh, just invite the cops over, 911 hangup
there will be napalm
as suits yer gust,
or not.

BTW
yer sound fat,
and drunk


Awesome poem, J.

+1
 
2011-04-15 12:03:21 AM
Why can't we just wall the whole plant up in concrete, like Chernobyl, and let nature take its course for a few hundred years?
 
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