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2011-04-12 02:42:29 AM

Ender's: davidphogan: I have an idea. He's a paid shill for the nuke industry. Their goal with someone like him would be to make their opposition look like the ultimate extreme against nuclear power, and discredit them as total lunatics.

It's a great plan. I'd almost call it going Kaufmann.

They already do it on the politics tab. In fact, Fark is the number 3 website in the country where their skills are requested to post on.


And then, you have me.

I'm gonna be really pissed when my face starts to melt off.

KMG365
 
2011-04-12 02:43:03 AM

davidphogan: Corvus: You listed the problems that exist. You listed the same problems that anti-nuclear people listed in the first place. The problems that the nuclear industry said would be no big deal. Now you are using them as an excuse for the nuclear companies to not pay for and clean up their messes like they promised to do.

My solution is change the laws so that we can use our waste to power stuff. I've already explained that.

What's yours? Tear them down, and let taxpayers foot the bill when the companies that owned/financed the plants go bankrupt? You think that's a good idea, especially in this economy?


Maybe it's what I said previously:

Don't let them build anymore until they clean up their messes they said they would.


I already stated this some time ago.
 
2011-04-12 02:43:05 AM
I think I am gonna start googling anti-nuclear power firms. Just for fun
 
2011-04-12 02:44:19 AM
I wonder which one he's from:

Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament
Friends of the Earth
Greenpeace
International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War
Nuclear Information and Resource Service
 
2011-04-12 02:45:08 AM

Corvus: What?

How is that bullshiat?

Nice you not quoting it again. You wouldn't want people to see how full of it you are.


If toll roads were built that way I would be against them too. = Bullshiat. They're built that way, you just didn't know it.

Corvus: Why does the nuclear industry need tens of billion dollars in tax payer guarantee loans if it's such a good investment?


Why does the oil, highway, health care, earthquake or volcano monitoring, weather service, airport, train, clean water, coal power, tornado science, space exploration, etc get billions of dollars per year?

What's your solution? Give one. Please.
 
2011-04-12 02:45:19 AM

davidphogan: My solution is change the laws so that we can use our waste to power stuff. I've already explained that.


So you would be fine with no new nuclear plants at all until that law was changed?
 
2011-04-12 02:45:44 AM

Corvus: Maybe it's what I said previously:

Don't let them build anymore until they clean up their messes they said they would.


I already stated this some time ago.


Why not change the laws so they can?
 
rka
2011-04-12 02:46:04 AM

davidphogan: What's yours? Tear them down, and let taxpayers foot the bill when the companies that owned/financed the plants go bankrupt? You think that's a good idea, especially in this economy?


Haha

Your argument for nuclear power is now reduced to "Taxpayers have to pay massive subsidies to keep Big Nuke afloat because otherwise the taxpayers will have to pay massive subsidies when Big Nuke fails".

Heads I win, tails you lose.
 
2011-04-12 02:48:22 AM

Corvus: So you would be fine with no new nuclear plants at all until that law was changed?


As long as we're working to do geological surveys, and work to make breeder reactors part of a long term solution, certainly. Writing off nuclear power is stupid. Learning from stupid mistakes, and working to have the safest and most long-term reliable power grid possible is a goal we should strive for though. Nuclear will likely be a large part of that in the future, so we should find the most cost-effective way to make the best use of every part of it that we can while keeping things reasonably safe for everyone involved.
 
2011-04-12 02:49:26 AM

davidphogan: If toll roads were built that way I would be against them too. = Bullshiat. They're built that way, you just didn't know it.


Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.

In my state first off there is almost no toll roads (at least where I live). And I know of 2 - one was funded with public money and the money went back to the bond and when it was paid off it went free. And Another was private with private money and I believe after a certain time it becomes public too.


Also, I would be against toll roads working that way if they did. The government shouldn't be funding things entirely for a private entity.


Sometimes I do believe it is important for some government subsidizes but not entirely funding something for a private entity to profit from.
 
2011-04-12 02:49:41 AM

rka: davidphogan: What's yours? Tear them down, and let taxpayers foot the bill when the companies that owned/financed the plants go bankrupt? You think that's a good idea, especially in this economy?

Haha

Your argument for nuclear power is now reduced to "Taxpayers have to pay massive subsidies to keep Big Nuke afloat because otherwise the taxpayers will have to pay massive subsidies when Big Nuke fails".

Heads I win, tails you lose.


Pretty much. We painted ourselves into this corner. We can keep them running as safely as possible, or we can figure out how to safely dispose of or contain the waste. Which is the best option? Neither is free.
 
2011-04-12 02:50:56 AM

BuckTurgidson: Up and at 'em!


That tiny ant, that ant with atomic power!
 
2011-04-12 02:51:26 AM

davidphogan: Corvus: Maybe it's what I said previously:

Don't let them build anymore until they clean up their messes they said they would.


I already stated this some time ago.

Why not change the laws so they can?


Because then they will never clean up their mess they promised to clean up.

If you say "Hey here is more taxpayer money build more plants!!" They won't say "Hey thanks. You know what because you were so nice we are going to ditch our profits to clean up our messes we promised".


That doesn't work. I said this to you already.
 
2011-04-12 02:51:48 AM
I break haiku and no one notices for over two minutes.

While blustardly, I will not stand by my abhoration of form.

Redone:

Branch bending backward,
Radiating enough, see,
Shadows spread on ground.

;)
 
2011-04-12 02:53:23 AM
They wanted to move US waste here:

www.bitlogic.com

But the anti-nuke crowd doesn't want permanent storage - ever - so they effectively prefer it to be stored here:

www.bitlogic.com

/green arrows are google marks, not indication of literal location of storage
 
2011-04-12 02:54:23 AM

Corvus: davidphogan: If toll roads were built that way I would be against them too. = Bullshiat. They're built that way, you just didn't know it.

Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.


"State Route 125 (SR 125) is a state highway in the U.S. state of California that currently runs from State Route 905 in Otay Mesa near the U.S.-Mexico border to State Route 52 in Santee.

The southern portion of Route 125 from Route 905 to Route 54 near Chula Vista is a toll road called the South Bay Expressway. It is California's first road built as a public/private partnership[citation needed]. The toll road is being funded by the private company California Transportation Ventures, Inc. and the following public agencies: the United States Department of Transportation, Caltrans, San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG), and the City of Chula Vista."

From Wikipedia's article on SR-125. They went kind of bankrupt and needed a government bailout, which they got.

Oh, and up in Orange County (new window).

Want more?
 
2011-04-12 02:54:59 AM

davidphogan: Corvus: So you would be fine with no new nuclear plants at all until that law was changed?

As long as we're working to do geological surveys, and work to make breeder reactors part of a long term solution, certainly. Writing off nuclear power is stupid. Learning from stupid mistakes, and working to have the safest and most long-term reliable power grid possible is a goal we should strive for though. Nuclear will likely be a large part of that in the future, so we should find the most cost-effective way to make the best use of every part of it that we can while keeping things reasonably safe for everyone involved.


And that cost increases by about 50% every year. In nuclear costs and safety don't go hand in hand.

Do you want to back technology where costs increases every year or technology where the cost decreases every year?

Do we back energy plants with tax payer money that fail 50% of the time? Or do we back energy plants that has private venture capital flooding into it because it's succeeding around the globe?
 
2011-04-12 02:55:25 AM

Corvus: Because then they will never clean up their mess they promised to clean up.

If you say "Hey here is more taxpayer money build more plants!!" They won't say "Hey thanks. You know what because you were so nice we are going to ditch our profits to clean up our messes we promised".


That doesn't work. I said this to you already.


The current system doesn't seem to be working either. What's your solution to generating the power the USA seems to want?
 
2011-04-12 02:55:44 AM

Corvus: Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.

In my state first off there is almost no toll roads (at least where I live). And I know of 2 - one was funded with public money and the money went back to the bond and when it was paid off it went free. And Another was private with private money and I believe after a certain time it becomes public too.


Also, I would be against toll roads working that way if they did. The government shouldn't be funding things entirely for a private entity.


Sometimes I do believe it is important for some government subsidizes but not entirely funding something for a private entity to profit from.


Holy shiat, corvus. This is the most sensible statement I've ever seen you make. Feelin' ok? Sucks about Japan, right?
 
2011-04-12 02:57:08 AM

eudemonist: Holy shiat, corvus. This is the most sensible statement I've ever seen you make. Feelin' ok? Sucks about Japan, right?


Baby steps.
 
2011-04-12 02:57:21 AM

davidphogan: Corvus: davidphogan: If toll roads were built that way I would be against them too. = Bullshiat. They're built that way, you just didn't know it.

Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.

"State Route 125 (SR 125) is a state highway in the U.S. state of California that currently runs from State Route 905 in Otay Mesa near the U.S.-Mexico border to State Route 52 in Santee.

The southern portion of Route 125 from Route 905 to Route 54 near Chula Vista is a toll road called the South Bay Expressway. It is California's first road built as a public/private partnership[citation needed]. The toll road is being funded by the private company California Transportation Ventures, Inc. and the following public agencies: the United States Department of Transportation, Caltrans, San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG), and the City of Chula Vista."

From Wikipedia's article on SR-125. They went kind of bankrupt and needed a government bailout, which they got.

Oh, and up in Orange County (new window).

Want more?


Yeah. I am against that. Don't know how you missed it since I only told you like 3 or 4 times.

Wow "FIRST road" sounds like they are all over the place.
 
2011-04-12 02:58:41 AM

Corvus: Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.


Corvus: Yeah. I am against that. Don't know how you missed it since I only told you like 3 or 4 times.

Wow "FIRST road" sounds like they are all over the place.


Wow, you're really full of crap.
 
2011-04-12 02:59:31 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-04-12 02:59:54 AM

davidphogan: Corvus: davidphogan: If toll roads were built that way I would be against them too. = Bullshiat. They're built that way, you just didn't know it.

Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.

"State Route 125 (SR 125) is a state highway in the U.S. state of California that currently runs from State Route 905 in Otay Mesa near the U.S.-Mexico border to State Route 52 in Santee.

The southern portion of Route 125 from Route 905 to Route 54 near Chula Vista is a toll road called the South Bay Expressway. It is California's first road built as a public/private partnership[citation needed]. The toll road is being funded by the private company California Transportation Ventures, Inc. and the following public agencies: the United States Department of Transportation, Caltrans, San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG), and the City of Chula Vista."

From Wikipedia's article on SR-125. They went kind of bankrupt and needed a government bailout, which they got.

Oh, and up in Orange County (new window).

Want more?


What part of the "Even if they do, do it that way I would be against it" did you not understand?


Wow yes showing me this private operations failing and having the government on the hook really proves your point that the Federal government should guarantee the nuclear industry for hundred billion dollars.
 
2011-04-12 03:01:57 AM

Corvus: What part of the "Even if they do, do it that way I would be against it" did you not understand?

Wow yes showing me this private operations failing and having the government on the hook really proves your point that the Federal government should guarantee the nuclear industry for hundred billion dollars.


Well, I question your knowledge of anything since you so clearly asserted: Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.

That makes you either uniformed, a liar, or a troll. Why does anything else you say matter unless you have some citations?
 
2011-04-12 03:02:46 AM

davidphogan: Corvus: Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.

Corvus: Yeah. I am against that. Don't know how you missed it since I only told you like 3 or 4 times.

Wow "FIRST road" sounds like they are all over the place.

Wow, you're really full of crap.


How so. I said in my Weeners, even if they funded the roads that way I would be against it.


Also:

It is California's first road built as a public/private partnership[citation needed].

That's not the same thing. The nuclear all profits go to the private company. I believe the 125 was to turn into a public road at some point.
 
2011-04-12 03:02:50 AM

davidphogan: uniformed

uninformed

even. Damn spell check.
 
2011-04-12 03:02:53 AM

Indubitably: I break haiku and no one notices for over two minutes.

While blustardly, I will not stand by my abhoration of form.

Redone:

Branch bending backward,
Radiating enough, see,
Shadows spread on ground.

;)


Haiku-R-Us, folks.

Please give me your bestest. I've given you mine.

5-7-5, yo.

Five syllables, seven syllables, five syllables.

A syllable has one sound. Five sounds is five.

Please make and post some poems for japan...

Haiku, plz. 5-7-5.
 
2011-04-12 03:04:46 AM

Erofeev: This is a terabecquerel:



Should have prototyped the goddamn blue lady.


Came for this, leaving satisfied.

/still cursing John for letting that happen
 
2011-04-12 03:04:53 AM

davidphogan: Corvus: What part of the "Even if they do, do it that way I would be against it" did you not understand?

Wow yes showing me this private operations failing and having the government on the hook really proves your point that the Federal government should guarantee the nuclear industry for hundred billion dollars.

Well, I question your knowledge of anything since you so clearly asserted: Umm no, no they are not. At least in my state.

That makes you either uniformed, a liar, or a troll. Why does anything else you say matter unless you have some citations?


Your right. I didn't know how every toll road in the US is funded.

That means I am totally wrong about nuclear energy. What a great point!!!

That redeems you about being totally wrong about the San Onfre plant.


Maybe you wont kick your dog tonight because you have redeemed yourself.
 
2011-04-12 03:14:57 AM

Corvus: That redeems you about being totally wrong about the San Onfre plant.


Maybe you wont kick your dog tonight because you have redeemed yourself.


What was I wrong about? Did you find an undocumented subduction zone off the coast? Quick, call the INS and the USGS!
 
2011-04-12 03:16:22 AM

Corvus: Your right.


Oh, and my left.
 
2011-04-12 03:22:34 AM

davidphogan: Oh, and my left.


lmao
 
2011-04-12 03:28:48 AM
Can anyone tell me how this will affect the salmon runs?


I'm hoping to start a salmon fishing guide service next year on the columbia river and I'm farking scared.
 
2011-04-12 03:31:08 AM
The mother stirs
Children, cowed, hide their faces
Pray for her slumber


A kettle boils
Hidden children do not watch
Steam throughout the kitchen
 
2011-04-12 03:32:51 AM
I thought Ann Coulter said this would be a good thing...
 
2011-04-12 03:39:15 AM
updated map to reflect the timesimg140.imageshack.us
 
2011-04-12 03:39:47 AM
Radioactive
Not my Fukushima man
Well maybe a bit
 
2011-04-12 03:43:13 AM

Corvus: Lets close down all the ones on fault lines or in other dangerous areas


Um did anyone, ever think of NOT building nuclear plants along known fault lines in the first place?

Obviously, the Japanese experts did not. Nor Americans, evidently.

Again, I am not anti-nuke, actually quite a bit pro-nuke, but stupidity is, in two words, stoo pidity.
 
2011-04-12 03:46:05 AM

eudemonist: The mother stirs
Children, cowed, hide their faces
Pray for her slumber


A kettle boils
Hidden children do not watch
Steam throughout the kitchen


Awesome.

Thank you.
 
2011-04-12 03:46:54 AM

CB-in-Tokyo: Radioactive
Not my Fukushima man
Well maybe a bit


Excellent, thank you.
 
2011-04-12 03:51:29 AM

Gyrfalcon: Here is when to worry: When someone dies from the radiation.
Has anyone died yet?

[waits]

Then we don't need to worry yet


Do you want to know how I know you haven't any insurance and have not made out a will?
 
2011-04-12 03:52:21 AM

Acrox: Nuclear Boy had diarrhea



I don't want him to pooh!

/shakes tiny fists
 
2011-04-12 03:52:23 AM
Indubitably [TotalFark] Quote 2011-04-12 03:46:54 AM
CB-in-Tokyo: Radioactive
Not my Fukushima man
Well maybe a bit

Excellent, thank you.


Heheh that was almost a limerick in it's tone. Okay a more sombre one.

Blossoms fall softly
Silence begetting silence
Time for reflection
 
2011-04-12 03:56:56 AM
vygramul: They wanted to move US waste here:

And if people with a brain held sway the amount of waste to be stored would be a lot lot less since most of it would be taken care of by reprocessing
 
2011-04-12 03:58:49 AM

blameitonchemo: For the most part, the same people who say "So? That's Japan. We're Murrica!" are the same ones who think we should babysit everyone.



Prove it.
 
2011-04-12 04:01:03 AM

CB-in-Tokyo: Indubitably [TotalFark] Quote 2011-04-12 03:46:54 AM
CB-in-Tokyo: Radioactive
Not my Fukushima man
Well maybe a bit

Excellent, thank you.

Heheh that was almost a limerick in it's tone. Okay a more sombre one.

Blossoms fall softly
Silence begetting silence
Time for reflection


Still good, and I like limericks.

;)
 
2011-04-12 04:01:21 AM

HoratioGates: It seems the best way to reduce the cost of energy is to turn off the lights when you aren't using them, watch a smaller TV, turn down the thermostat and walk to the corner store (although you could get hit by a car.)


Ironically, the last time I walked to my corner store was in early February, just after a snowstorm. Cars were slip-sliding all over the road, and I was so worried about being hit by one that I got distracted by a nearby car noise, slipped on the ice and tore up a ligament in my knee. Haven't walked to the store since then.

I do, however, use the low-power lights, turn them off when not using them, kept the entire heating system off even through the snowstorm, and basically leave a very tiny carbon footprint.

Which I make up for by posting on thirty to forty fark threads each day. :)
 
2011-04-12 04:05:09 AM
Tiny gifts, unbidden
flavor of still-raw noodles
permeates the house

Unholy Ghost
anoints the land and creatures
dire radiance
 
2011-04-12 04:12:23 AM
The Mother, restive
senses disturbance through dream
The Angel of Death
 
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