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2011-04-12 01:10:09 AM

bigdavediode: That discomfort is called cognitive dissonance. The mind's recognition that some of its beliefs are wrong which cannot be because your beliefs are right.


If not wanting to discuss this a month from now means I am wrong, then I will be wrong happily.
 
2011-04-12 01:11:58 AM

Corvus: Ender's: Corvus: I wouldn't of noticed but you started in this thread too. Which made me interested if you were one of the one's in the previous thread shouting down others.

I was, yes. Am doing the same here as well. Except I haven't been shouting, I have been typing. My cruise control for awesome has remained in the "off" position.

Anybody ctrl +f this thread for banana yet?

Whatever. You're just a troll. Keep calling anyone who gets evacuated or hurt from this "pussies" and keep name calling people who bring up what actually is going on. Also the "Your not allowed to repost when we make wrong statements" is great too.


Glad you enjoyed it. Are you over it yet?
 
2011-04-12 01:12:14 AM

Indubitably: Joke just went unfunny. If it ever was...

Folks, WTF are we saying?

Seriously.

WTF do you dream about?

;)


What is with you and this constant winking you end every post with? Are you ok?
 
2011-04-12 01:12:16 AM
Corvus and Ender's need to get a room
 
2011-04-12 01:12:30 AM
bigdavediode [TotalFark]

I take it you didn't watch the wind direction every day during the crisis. The wind was, luckily, almost every single day blowing out to sea.

You rolled your dice and won this time.


Tell me, because I am really curious, what is it like to live your life in fear?
 
2011-04-12 01:12:54 AM

Ivo Shandor: RoyBatty: Sometimes Randall Monroe of XKCD can be a real wanker.

Why do you say that? 3.6 mSv per day (from his chart) works out to 150 microSv/hr, which is about 3x what is shown on that picture of the meter.


Well I sure hope I'm more awake during this interview!
 
2011-04-12 01:13:10 AM

jingks: CB-in-Tokyo: Getting hit by a good sized quake right now...

Yeah, damn cell phone alarms have been going off all day. Missed the morning one, was on the train and felt nothing.


I was waiting for a train to leave from Shinjuku Station when this morning's happened. Very bizarre to hear everyone's phone go off at the same time.

/also learned today that a 6th of the ALTs at the company I work at part-time went back to their home countries, which is actually less than I was expecting
 
2011-04-12 01:13:40 AM

CB-in-Tokyo: bigdavediode [TotalFark]

I take it you didn't watch the wind direction every day during the crisis. The wind was, luckily, almost every single day blowing out to sea.

You rolled your dice and won this time.

Tell me, because I am really curious, what is it like to live your life in fear?


Well first I'd have to explain how to live your life based on facts, then sanity. And I don't think I'd be able to teach you either one.
 
2011-04-12 01:13:46 AM

Ender's: Corvus: I wouldn't of noticed but you started in this thread too. Which made me interested if you were one of the one's in the previous thread shouting down others.

I was, yes. Am doing the same here as well. Except I haven't been shouting, I have been typing. My cruise control for awesome has remained in the "off" position.

Anybody ctrl +f this thread for banana yet?


I can't hear you, I have a potassium iodide tablet in my ear.
 
2011-04-12 01:13:56 AM

bigdavediode: Corvus: What about the fishing? Is it possible for the radiation to build up in fish like mercury does and harm the fishing industry there for awhile?


Has this been discussed there?

Some isotopes from what I understand will accumulate in the food chain.

So, yes.


One of my concerns is that the fishing and maybe agricultural could be ruined for a long time. Of course the people are my biggest concern but hopefully that won't occur.

I am concerned about the workers. I don't know if I would trust TEPCO. They seem to change their story often on readings and I would be nervous they could be fudging some readings so that it would be considered "safe" for workers.
 
2011-04-12 01:16:42 AM

Ender's: Glad you enjoyed it. Are you over it yet?


No because I am actually concerned about people. I am concerned for the people in Japan, which I do have friends there and am concerned about many other people who could be in danger from a similar incident.

I don't just call people "Pussies", who are in trouble because I don't like that they are in danger. Those are concepts that might be hard for you to wrap your head around.
 
2011-04-12 01:17:51 AM

Corvus: One of my concerns is that the fishing and maybe agricultural could be ruined for a long time. Of course the people are my biggest concern but hopefully that won't occur.


Yes the Japanese export fishing industry is destroyed. It was worth $3.6 billion US per year to Japan.

It wasn't worth it.
 
2011-04-12 01:18:31 AM

Kirk's_Toupee: Corvus and Ender's need to get a room


Only if I get a reach around from you, big man
 
2011-04-12 01:18:35 AM

bigdavediode: The real question that us observers are asking is will any of the people here who have their egos tied up with nuclear power (or politics, or anything else) learn from it.

I'm a pessimist.


Yes. Invest in thorium reactors. If there's an accident, there will be less mess. -.-
 
2011-04-12 01:18:37 AM
Nice compare and contrast:

BBC front page:

Japan raises nuclear crisis level
Japan raises the severity measure of its nuclear crisis to the highest level, but says radiation leakage is a tenth of that from the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

MSNBC front page:

JAPAN NUCLEAR CRISIS LEVEL ON PAR WITH CHERNOBYL
 
2011-04-12 01:19:15 AM

Nuclear.ab: No one is saying this accident is not serious, but I stand by my analysis that this accident is not currently nor will it ultimately be ruled as bad as Chernobyl


I don't disagree with your assessment, but I do disagree with your use of the word "accident." This was BAD ENGINEERING. An accident is something that happens from human malfeasance. This happened from bad engineering in an earthquake- and tsunami-prone region. An accident is when I I drive my car into a tree. This is more like my car losing steering and swerving into a tree in spite of my efforts to control it.

I, too, doubt it will be as bad as Chernobyl, but both were basically due to bad engineering, not accidents.
 
2011-04-12 01:19:56 AM

Captain Steroid: bigdavediode: The real question that us observers are asking is will any of the people here who have their egos tied up with nuclear power (or politics, or anything else) learn from it.

I'm a pessimist.

Yes. Invest in thorium reactors. If there's an accident, there will be less mess. -.-


...invest in Thorium, but don't question your core beliefs.
 
2011-04-12 01:21:25 AM

oldebayer: I don't disagree with your assessment, but I do disagree with your use of the word "accident." This was BAD ENGINEERING. An accident is something that happens from human malfeasance. This happened from bad engineering in an earthquake- and tsunami-prone region.


The San Onofre plant in California:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-04-12 01:21:25 AM

oldebayer: I, too, doubt it will be as bad as Chernobyl, but both were basically due to bad engineering, not accidents.


The US has similar built reactors. In fact one's not built to stand up as much as this reactor.
 
2011-04-12 01:21:32 AM
Someone posting on an ESPN message board has just reported serious shaking in Tokyo.
 
2011-04-12 01:21:34 AM

Corvus: One of my concerns is that the fishing and maybe agricultural could be ruined for a long time. Of course the people are my biggest concern but hopefully that won't occur.

I am concerned about the workers. I don't know if I would trust TEPCO. They seem to change their story often on readings and I would be nervous they could be fudging some readings so that it would be considered "safe" for workers.



www.duetsblog.com
Corvus is concerned
 
2011-04-12 01:22:17 AM

Indubitably: Ender's: bartink: I don't think its quite accurate to say its "on par with Chernobyl".

The government, I believe, has provisionally put the level here in anticipation of what it could be. The actual level will only be entered after the crisis is over and everything can be researched.

Link (new window)

Hunh?

;)


I repeat:

I glow against a mountain.

Small.

And wet with the burn of old life.

Small and wet and glowing, I howl.

Howl against a night without end...

I howl.

;)

My heart is yours Japan; I weep for you now...

Tears are mine...
 
2011-04-12 01:22:53 AM

bigdavediode: oldebayer: I don't disagree with your assessment, but I do disagree with your use of the word "accident." This was BAD ENGINEERING. An accident is something that happens from human malfeasance. This happened from bad engineering in an earthquake- and tsunami-prone region.

The San Onofre plant in California:


Hey that's a bad example the San Onofre is only built to withstand a 7 earthquake. The one in Japan was much much stronger.
 
2011-04-12 01:23:10 AM

Ender's: bigdavediode: The real question that us observers are asking is will any of the people here who have their egos tied up with nuclear power (or politics, or anything else) learn from it.

That depends. What kind of learning are you hoping to take place?

/srs question


Still have this question for bigdavediode, if he wanted to answer.
 
2011-04-12 01:23:11 AM

barefoot in the head: Someone posting on an ESPN message board has just reported serious shaking in Tokyo.


Late, I see.
 
2011-04-12 01:23:52 AM

thenateman: Corvus: One of my concerns is that the fishing and maybe agricultural could be ruined for a long time. Of course the people are my biggest concern but hopefully that won't occur.

I am concerned about the workers. I don't know if I would trust TEPCO. They seem to change their story often on readings and I would be nervous they could be fudging some readings so that it would be considered "safe" for workers.



Corvus is concerned


Yes. I am. What problem do you have with that?
 
2011-04-12 01:24:13 AM
i114.photobucket.com
 
2011-04-12 01:24:24 AM

bigdavediode: Actually you did more than "try to calm people down" -- you mocked those who disagreed with you:



Ender's
2011-03-14 12:01:02 AM

bartink: For the first time in 52 years.

omfgpanickrunomfgomfg

/big deal



bigdavediode: Well first I'd have to explain how to live your life based on facts, then sanity. And I don't think I'd be able to teach you either one.

 
2011-04-12 01:24:45 AM

Ender's: Ender's: bigdavediode: The real question that us observers are asking is will any of the people here who have their egos tied up with nuclear power (or politics, or anything else) learn from it.

That depends. What kind of learning are you hoping to take place?

/srs question

Still have this question for bigdavediode, if he wanted to answer.


The day you've learned everything is the day you learn to kill your ego.
 
2011-04-12 01:25:27 AM

Ivo Shandor: Well then I have some bad news for you. Irradiated Pacific ocean? You're already soaking in it. Mostly from the weapons testing, about 5% from Chernobyl, and local hotspots from various other reactor leaks.


that is bad news. :(

For this isotope those numbers would go down by half every 30 years. Fukushima will raise them up a bit and that's bad, but it's not the end of the world.

That is not as bad. You could sell frogurt, you know.
 
2011-04-12 01:25:56 AM

Corvus: oldebayer: I, too, doubt it will be as bad as Chernobyl, but both were basically due to bad engineering, not accidents.

The US has similar built reactors. In fact one's not built to stand up as much as this reactor.


Which one?
 
2011-04-12 01:26:15 AM

jingks: WeenerGord: If you do, I'd like to post-threaduously award an internet to the guy who said "What did you say about my Shima?" That comment didn't get nearly enough love.

That would be davidphogan. Can't figure out the link to his comment, but here's the thread.


Thank you.

davidphogan 2011-03-14 05:38:38 AM
JJR: yeah Fukushima

What did you just say about my shima?
 
2011-04-12 01:26:21 AM

bigdavediode: The day you've learned everything is the day you learn to kill your ego.


Sounds like a fair assessment. So those with egos cannot learn? I am honestly just trying to understand what you would like the "deniers" to learn, should they be proven wrong.

If you don't wanna respond, that's cool too.
 
2011-04-12 01:26:54 AM

Ender's: Kirk's_Toupee: Corvus and Ender's need to get a room

Only if I get a reach around from you, big man


Don't give yourself that much credit:)I probably wouldn't be able to tell which one of you ends and which one of you begins:)
 
2011-04-12 01:27:46 AM

bigdavediode: CB-in-Tokyo: bigdavediode [TotalFark]

I take it you didn't watch the wind direction every day during the crisis. The wind was, luckily, almost every single day blowing out to sea.

You rolled your dice and won this time.

Tell me, because I am really curious, what is it like to live your life in fear?

Well first I'd have to explain how to live your life based on facts, then sanity. And I don't think I'd be able to teach you either one.


Please provide citations for the deadly holocaust scenario you have joyfully predicted if only the wind had been blowing in the exact opposite direction.

Because I think you're completely full of sh*t.

/the ramen is still delicious here, incidentally.
 
2011-04-12 01:27:46 AM

Ender's: bigdavediode: The day you've learned everything is the day you learn to kill your ego.

Sounds like a fair assessment. So those with egos cannot learn? I am honestly just trying to understand what you would like the "deniers" to learn, should they be proven wrong.

If you don't wanna respond, that's cool too.


Actually I'm going to bed. It'd be great if I saw anyone learn anything off of a message board, but like I said -- I'm a pessimist.
 
2011-04-12 01:28:23 AM

Kirk's_Toupee: Don't give yourself that much credit:)I probably wouldn't be able to tell which one of you ends and which one of you begins:)


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-04-12 01:28:27 AM

thenateman: Corvus: One of my concerns is that the fishing and maybe agricultural could be ruined for a long time. Of course the people are my biggest concern but hopefully that won't occur.

I am concerned about the workers. I don't know if I would trust TEPCO. They seem to change their story often on readings and I would be nervous they could be fudging some readings so that it would be considered "safe" for workers.



Corvus is concerned


Oh I forgot. I am not allowed to be concerned for the people of Japan.


I am only allowed to call people who are concerned "Fear mongers" and the people being evacuated "Pussies".


I forgot the rules.


You guys must have strong factual footing if you feel you need to name call anyone who asks questions.
 
2011-04-12 01:28:34 AM
Corvus, relax dude. Relax. We are all trolls here.
 
2011-04-12 01:28:55 AM
bigdavediode [TotalFark] Quote 2011-04-12 01:13:40 AM
CB-in-Tokyo: bigdavediode [TotalFark]

I take it you didn't watch the wind direction every day during the crisis. The wind was, luckily, almost every single day blowing out to sea.

You rolled your dice and won this time.

Tell me, because I am really curious, what is it like to live your life in fear?

Well first I'd have to explain how to live your life based on facts, then sanity. And I don't think I'd be able to teach you either one.


Heh! I take it you were one of the "Flyjin" and now feel the need to justify yourself?

Facts are no one knew what would happen. Hell it took me 24 hours to get home after the quake, and don't know if I was even aware of the nuclear situation until after I got home. Burning/Exploding nuclear plants are scary, but there is something called the inverse square law, that is our friend. Facts...well let's see. I posted factual sites about the radiation levels, the UK's CSO discussion at the embassy so I reviewed the facts. the problem is fear tends to make people want to react outside of the facts. It is a survival instinct. I certainly made preparation, acquired some KI, a Geiger counter, Bottled up some water etc. As I said there is concern, but I no more "rolled the dice" than I rolled the dice everyday just going to work.

So if you ran, so be it. It was a choice you made, but it certainly wasn't made on facts. It was made by the fight or flight instinct when there was no possibility to fight. In that light flight makes sense.

If you didn't run, or are in no way related to the situation here, then you got me Mr. troll man :)
 
2011-04-12 01:29:09 AM

bigdavediode: Actually I'm going to bed. It'd be great if I saw anyone learn anything off of a message board, but like I said -- I'm a pessimist.


And a hypocrite, let's not forget that :)
 
2011-04-12 01:29:49 AM

bigdavediode: Ender's: Corvus: You are seriously being a dick. If you want to discuss things then do. But calling evacuees "Pussies" is pretty annoying to make a political point.

And attacking others who do not agree with you.

You'll get over it.

The real question that us observers are asking is will any of the people here who have their egos tied up with nuclear power (or politics, or anything else) learn from it.

I'm a pessimist.

I'm not a big fan of fission, but even with this event in consideration, its far better for people and the world we live in than coal. The water around a strip mine will still have an oil slick on it when the radiation from this event is undetectable. If global warming has the impact some think it will, fission looks even better.
Personally I think intrinsically safe fusion reactors research would be a better place to spend R&D. But that is much more speculative and difficult for the people who run shiat to manage than a 10b fission plant.
 
2011-04-12 01:30:03 AM

Corvus: thenateman: Corvus: One of my concerns is that the fishing and maybe agricultural could be ruined for a long time. Of course the people are my biggest concern but hopefully that won't occur.

I am concerned about the workers. I don't know if I would trust TEPCO. They seem to change their story often on readings and I would be nervous they could be fudging some readings so that it would be considered "safe" for workers.



Corvus is concerned

Oh I forgot. I am not allowed to be concerned for the people of Japan.


I am only allowed to call people who are concerned "Fear mongers" and the people being evacuated "Pussies".


I forgot the rules.


You guys must have strong factual footing if you feel you need to name call anyone who asks questions.


there is too much emotion. You cannot fark with anger. You fark with cynicism.
 
2011-04-12 01:30:57 AM

Kirk's_Toupee: You fark with cynicism.


That's when I do my best work, I know.
 
2011-04-12 01:31:02 AM
 
2011-04-12 01:32:15 AM
Not sure who reads what where, but the IEAE (new window) reports "NISA estimates that the amount of radioactive material released to the atmosphere is approximately 10 percent of the 1986 Chernobyl accident, which is the only other nuclear accident to have been rated a Level 7 event."

I find the IAEA reports to be the most helpful, being based largely on the monitoring and reporting of various governmental and international agencies; as opposed to speculation and the re-interpreting of events by editors, reporters, and media personalities with a vested interest in selling ad space.
 
2011-04-12 01:32:26 AM
arrowheadjunkies.com
 
2011-04-12 01:32:27 AM

Valarius: Indubitably: Joke just went unfunny. If it ever was...

Folks, WTF are we saying?

Seriously.

WTF do you dream about?

;)

What is with you and this constant winking you end every post with? Are you ok?


Yeah, I'm fine.

It's a multi-tasking sarcasticness; sometimes meaning yer dumb, and sometimes meaning yer smart but don't get it, and sometimes, it's just you are a douchebag. Sometimes it means I read you and rock you. I suspect you'll figure the diff. Read me over time, and you'll know.

I wink once only, though.

Read that: one wink only.

More than once: so sails the Monitor...

;)
 
2011-04-12 01:32:52 AM

kyuzokai: Not sure who reads what where, but the IEAE (new window) reports "NISA estimates that the amount of radioactive material released to the atmosphere is approximately 10 percent of the 1986 Chernobyl accident, which is the only other nuclear accident to have been rated a Level 7 event."

I find the IAEA reports to be the most helpful, being based largely on the monitoring and reporting of various governmental and international agencies; as opposed to speculation and the re-interpreting of events by editors, reporters, and media personalities with a vested interest in selling ad space.


Nice info, thanks.
 
2011-04-12 01:34:12 AM
Damn you, acronym dyslexia! Make that the IAEA (new window).

/ftfm
 
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