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2011-04-12 12:53:58 AM

Ender's: Corvus: So you are once again saying no one is in danger?

If that's what you read then I cannot help you.


Well you said people being evacuated were "pussies".

You attacked people who said there was any form of danger.
 
2011-04-12 12:54:31 AM
i have come to the conclusion that the folks raving out in mass panic and alarm over this are the next version of the 9/11 "truthers". I further theorize that most of those folks are clinically depressed, and that they basically "get off" on bad news and worse news... even if they have to extrapolate it.
 
2011-04-12 12:55:07 AM

RoyBatty: Sometimes Randall Monroe of XKCD can be a real wanker.

Not sure what you're trying to show there, but 5 mR/hr is about the OSHA threshold for evac of nuke workers if its Gamma. It ain't great, certainly much worse if you breath and get the shiat that's radiating in your lungs or sinus, but not a holocaust.
Whenever things seem bad in the 1rst world cause our tech goes bad just think about the poor kids starving in Africa with a farking fly on his eyeball about to be part of an real holocaust.
 
2011-04-12 12:55:14 AM

Ender's: bigdavediode: Actually you did more than "try to calm people down" -- you mocked those who disagreed with you:



Ender's
2011-03-14 12:01:02 AM

bartink: For the first time in 52 years.

omfgpanickrunomfgomfg

/big deal

Really? How many times do I have to post it?

welcometofark.jpg


You are seriously being a dick. If you want to discuss things then do. But calling evacuees "Pussies" is pretty annoying to make a political point.

And attacking others who do not agree with you.
 
2011-04-12 12:55:29 AM

Ivo Shandor: Unlike radios or MP3 players, but very much like bridges, skyscrapers, cars, airplanes, pacemakers, oil refineries, and a whole long list of other things that engineers have been designing for decades. Engineers know that people can die if they fark up and they have a professional responsibility to reduce the chances of that happening. Part of that responsibility is to study past failures and learn not to make the same mistake twice.



But if a car or bridge fails they can just tell people to stop using them and there's no more harm. If a nuclear plant fails, there's no way to stop it from harming people, and it will continue to harm living things for thousands of years.

There is nothing comparable. Nothing else has such dire consequences.
 
2011-04-12 12:55:48 AM
Go ahead drink the milk, you'll be fine..
 
2011-04-12 12:56:26 AM

Ender's: What answer will shut you up?

No one knew what was going to happen. There was a contingent who thought everything bad was going to happen, including you. There was a contingent, including me, trying to calm people down getting freaked out by what people like you were saying.

You, in this case, happened to be right about something. Congratulations on your guess.

Now f*ck off.


enlightenment (new window)
 
2011-04-12 12:56:27 AM

Corvus: Well you said people being evacuated were "pussies".

You attacked people who said there was any form of danger.


If you cannot converse in this thread, I cannot help you. I am not gonna respond to a discussion that took place a month ago (that you've taken out of context, I might add).

Any Pie Left: i have come to the conclusion that the folks raving out in mass panic and alarm over this are the next version of the 9/11 "truthers". I further theorize that most of those folks are clinically depressed, and that they basically "get off" on bad news and worse news... even if they have to extrapolate it.


Is this mocking too? I don't find it to be so. Perhaps I am insensitive.
 
2011-04-12 12:56:42 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: Next headline must involve the following: wave of mutilation.


Oh my god! We're being attacked by Jigsaw now?!?
 
2011-04-12 12:56:51 AM

Ender's: jingks: People who evacuated Tokyo? Yeah, they're still pussies.

Be prepared to see this post in another thread sometime in May


No, I will still go along with that. If three mile island was hit by a tsunami, and you evacuated from New York, you'd still be a massive pussy. Somehow it's so much scarier when it comes from another country. But to abandon a city several hundred kilometres away from where the actual event happened, that's just pathetic.

On the other hand, when the company finally admits that it's on a par with Chernobyl, I would think about leaving.
 
2011-04-12 12:57:12 AM

Corvus: You are seriously being a dick. If you want to discuss things then do. But calling evacuees "Pussies" is pretty annoying to make a political point.

And attacking others who do not agree with you.


You'll get over it.
 
2011-04-12 12:57:38 AM

Ender's: Corvus: So you are once again saying no one is in danger?

If that's what you read then I cannot help you.


So you admit people are in danger?

Sorry when you called people "pussies" for being evacuated I took that to mean you thought people were not in danger.

Maybe you could clarify your stance for me.
 
2011-04-12 12:57:59 AM

Farker T: Nem Wan: To be fair, Chernobyl was a level 7 because it doesn't go any higher.

[Fatnastymonkey.jpg]

It's gone from bad to worse, to worst.

I can hardly wait for "worster".

I want that picture of the fat monkey photoshopped into a hoverround, stat! Photoshoppers, your country needs you! Now is the hour for all good men to come to the aid of juxtaposing that fat monkey into a hoverround. Preferably holding a tiny American flag, for lulz.

/We're gonna' need a bigger scale

 
2011-04-12 12:58:02 AM

blameitonchemo: Anyone want to dig up the original Fukushima thread from a few weeks ago


If you do, I'd like to post-threaduously award an internet to the guy who said "What did you say about my Shima?" That comment didn't get nearly enough love.
 
2011-04-12 12:58:41 AM

Ender's: jingks: People who evacuated Tokyo? Yeah, they're still pussies.

Be prepared to see this post in another thread sometime in May


I'll agree with jingks on this. The first 2-3 weeks sucked b/c of the blackouts and shortages, and with all the big summer festivals being canceled and Ishihara, that cock-guzzler, banning cherry blossoms from blooming and children from smiling, it's going to be a bummer of a year... but it wasn't and isn't enough to justify packing everything up and running home.
 
2011-04-12 12:59:07 AM

CB-in-Tokyo: Don't let the media make your decision for you, the news is all hype and if it wasn't this then maybe it'd be the killer bees again.


where the frak are the honey bees?
 
2011-04-12 12:59:12 AM

epoc_tnac: On the other hand, when the company finally admits that it's on a par with Chernobyl, I would think about leaving.


I don't think its quite accurate to say its "on par with Chernobyl".
 
2011-04-12 12:59:35 AM
You know what I hate about these threads? It's not the anti-nuke people. Don't get me wrong, they're a mix of ignorant people, people ruled by fear, and trolls. But the thing is, I always expect them to be there. It's a fact of Fark, and a fact of life.

The sad part is all of the supposedly intelligent people constantly dipping down to the troll level and in the process belittling an actual disaster. While the facts prove out that the anti-nuke people have been wrong, they've proven out that the jr. nuclear scientist club has been wrong as well.

Can we not just find some sort of rational in-between where this is a genuine tragedy but nuclear power is still the way of the fu--

*isodangoisngoni

Sorry, the cat was standing on the keyboard. Silly kitty typing posts for me, thinking he's people. Awww. OMG EVERYONE Stop fearmongering. You get this much radiation from a chest x-ray or 10. It's nothing to worry about. Even the people working in the nuke plant are fine. Look at this XKCD chart. It proves my knowledge on the specifics in Japan.
 
2011-04-12 01:00:16 AM

RoyBatty: Sometimes Randall Monroe of XKCD can be a real wanker.


Why do you say that? 3.6 mSv per day (from his chart) works out to 150 microSv/hr, which is about 3x what is shown on that picture of the meter.
 
2011-04-12 01:00:24 AM

Corvus: Maybe you could clarify your stance for me.


I don't feel like having this conversation again a month from now, to be honest with you.
 
2011-04-12 01:00:25 AM

Ender's: Corvus: You are seriously being a dick. If you want to discuss things then do. But calling evacuees "Pussies" is pretty annoying to make a political point.

And attacking others who do not agree with you.

You'll get over it.


The real question that us observers are asking is will any of the people here who have their egos tied up with nuclear power (or politics, or anything else) learn from it.

I'm a pessimist.
 
2011-04-12 01:00:27 AM

navyjeff: texdent: People who could help if they weren't fictional:
Superman
Batman
Reed Richards
Firestorm
Tony Stark
Bruce Banner
Hank Pym
Hank McCoy
Goku making a wish on the Dragonballs
Sailor Moon with the Silver Crystal
T'challa

Who are you kidding?


Why you do this to me?

/lost in tvtropes
 
2011-04-12 01:00:52 AM

epoc_tnac: Ender's: jingks: People who evacuated Tokyo? Yeah, they're still pussies.

Be prepared to see this post in another thread sometime in May

No, I will still go along with that. If three mile island was hit by a tsunami, and you evacuated from New York, you'd still be a massive pussy. Somehow it's so much scarier when it comes from another country. But to abandon a city several hundred kilometres away from where the actual event happened, that's just pathetic.

On the other hand, when the company finally admits that it's on a par with Chernobyl, I would think about leaving.


He was speaking about all evacuees. That was what I was referring to when he said "You would be a pussy".

I thought he was implying like many others in the thread that there was no cause for alarm and nothing bad could happen. That the evacuation was pure politics and had no basis in reality.

If that is not his opinion, I would be happy for him to clarify it, but it seems he is not interested in doing so.
 
2011-04-12 01:01:35 AM

Corvus: Ender's: bigdavediode: Actually you did more than "try to calm people down" -- you mocked those who disagreed with you:



Ender's
2011-03-14 12:01:02 AM

bartink: For the first time in 52 years.

omfgpanickrunomfgomfg

/big deal

Really? How many times do I have to post it?

welcometofark.jpg

You are seriously being a dick. If you want to discuss things then do. But calling evacuees "Pussies" is pretty annoying to make a political point.

And attacking others who do not agree with you.


Yeah, it's not the end of the world, but I'd gtfo (or wear a moon suit) if I was there. It's not the instantaneous dose, its getting fission products that are producing it in your system that gives you cancer.
 
2011-04-12 01:02:27 AM

RealAmericanHero: The sad part is all of the supposedly intelligent people constantly dipping down to the troll level and in the process belittling an actual disaster. While the facts prove out that the anti-nuke people have been wrong, they've proven out that the jr. nuclear scientist club has been wrong as well.


This fellow is trying to learn, but his ego won't let him admit that "everybody was wrong" is just ego protection. Who's next in line in this learning process?
 
2011-04-12 01:02:37 AM
Joke just went unfunny. If it ever was...

Folks, WTF are we saying?

Seriously.

WTF do you dream about?

;)
 
2011-04-12 01:02:37 AM

bartink: I don't think its quite accurate to say its "on par with Chernobyl".


The government, I believe, has provisionally put the level here in anticipation of what it could be. The actual level will only be entered after the crisis is over and everything can be researched.

Link (new window)
 
2011-04-12 01:02:45 AM
Damian Quote 2011-04-12 12:48:46 AM
CB-in-Tokyo: Of course there are concerns, the situation in the overseas media is way overblown.

I'd be more concerned about kancho.


What does an enema have to do with this? Barium?

Anyhow for those asking for Geiger counter readings, there are tonnes of sites up with readings. I also picked on up so I can test my water (I have 3 year old so I want to be sure). The typical readings are just regular background radiation 20 to 30 CPM. I've never taken any readings other than in that range.

www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/

Here is a government site where they post the radiation levels (it was around from before the disaster). The main areas are censored (under survey) but you can see the levels in other areas. Ibaraki, at one point was up over 3500 micro Grays/h it has been on the decline ever since.

This incident is huge, and the triple impact of the Quake, Tsunami and Nuclear incident have really damaged Japan. Especially in the areas where the disasters occurred. I am in no way trying to trivialize this, however, the situation in Tokyo is vastly different than the situation in Fukushima, Miyage or even Sendai. And the media hype has been ridiculous.
 
2011-04-12 01:03:18 AM
Don't worry guys, this is impossible.

/banana
 
2011-04-12 01:03:29 AM

Ender's: Corvus: Maybe you could clarify your stance for me.

I don't feel like having this conversation again a month from now, to be honest with you.


I would understand. Most people who spend an entire thread calling others names and then being wrong wouldn't.

I wouldn't of noticed but you started in this thread too. Which made me interested if you were one of the one's in the previous thread shouting down others.
 
2011-04-12 01:03:37 AM

bigdavediode: The real question that us observers are asking is will any of the people here who have their egos tied up with nuclear power (or politics, or anything else) learn from it.


That depends. What kind of learning are you hoping to take place?

/srs question
 
2011-04-12 01:03:38 AM

WeenerGord: If you do, I'd like to post-threaduously award an internet to the guy who said "What did you say about my Shima?" That comment didn't get nearly enough love.


That would be davidphogan. Can't figure out the link to his comment, but here's the thread.
 
2011-04-12 01:04:12 AM

Ed Grubermann: Jesus Motherfarking Christ! fark you. No. I mean that. fark you. I am sick of you dragging your "why build space ships, I want to live forever!!!!" thread-shiatting horseshiat into threads that have nothing to do with either subject. Why the fark you haven't been banned for this I don't know.



Sounds like somebody wants to start trashing bozos!
/Have you got the pyjamas?
 
2011-04-12 01:04:14 AM

Ender's: Corvus: Maybe you could clarify your stance for me.

I don't feel like having this conversation again a month from now, to be honest with you.


That discomfort is called cognitive dissonance. The mind's recognition that some of its beliefs are wrong which cannot be because your beliefs are right.
 
2011-04-12 01:04:44 AM

Kirk's_Toupee: apparently there is no way to observe the objects left behind on the lunar surface.


As an aside, this is no longer the case. They're too small to see from earth but the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has taken some very nice pictures of the landing sites. Apollo 14 for example (new window).
 
2011-04-12 01:04:46 AM

Ender's: bartink: I don't think its quite accurate to say its "on par with Chernobyl".

The government, I believe, has provisionally put the level here in anticipation of what it could be. The actual level will only be entered after the crisis is over and everything can be researched.

Link (new window)


Hunh?

;)
 
2011-04-12 01:05:10 AM

CB-in-Tokyo: Damian Quote 2011-04-12 12:48:46 AM
CB-in-Tokyo: Of course there are concerns, the situation in the overseas media is way overblown.

I'd be more concerned about kancho.

What does an enema have to do with this? Barium?

Anyhow for those asking for Geiger counter readings, there are tonnes of sites up with readings. I also picked on up so I can test my water (I have 3 year old so I want to be sure). The typical readings are just regular background radiation 20 to 30 CPM. I've never taken any readings other than in that range.

www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/

Here is a government site where they post the radiation levels (it was around from before the disaster). The main areas are censored (under survey) but you can see the levels in other areas. Ibaraki, at one point was up over 3500 micro Grays/h it has been on the decline ever since.

This incident is huge, and the triple impact of the Quake, Tsunami and Nuclear incident have really damaged Japan. Especially in the areas where the disasters occurred. I am in no way trying to trivialize this, however, the situation in Tokyo is vastly different than the situation in Fukushima, Miyage or even Sendai. And the media hype has been ridiculous.


Here is an interesting question that I have asked some of my friends who are scientist:

What about the fishing? Is it possible for the radiation to build up in fish like mercury does and harm the fishing industry there for awhile?


Has this been discussed there?
 
2011-04-12 01:05:33 AM

Cucullen: RoyBatty: Sometimes Randall Monroe of XKCD can be a real wanker.
Not sure what you're trying to show there, but 5 mR/hr is about the OSHA threshold for evac of nuke workers if its Gamma. It ain't great, certainly much worse if you breath and get the shiat that's radiating in your lungs or sinus, but not a holocaust.
Whenever things seem bad in the 1rst world cause our tech goes bad just think about the poor kids starving in Africa with a farking fly on his eyeball about to be part of an real holocaust.


If I am reading this correctly, in Monroe's chart, released soon after the meltdown, when he really didn't know shiat, he posted, based on third party reports, that the release was 3.6 uSv. And then he compared that to radiation exposure from external sources, though as you note, the problem is more one of ingestion.

The reading on the screen cap is 36 uSv, if I am understanding it correctly, or about ten times what Monroe posted. And according to Mr. Steve, the reading at the end of the clip is 10x higher still.

So if I understand that correctly, Mr. XKCD Science Guy just posted bullshiat about crap he knew nothing about, and his chart was endlessly retweeted in the past three weeks as some sort of authoritative source.

That's wankerdom.

/if I understand what the screen cap shows and if not, oh, my bad.
 
2011-04-12 01:05:54 AM

CB-in-Tokyo: This incident is huge, and the triple impact of the Quake, Tsunami and Nuclear incident have really damaged Japan. Especially in the areas where the disasters occurred. I am in no way trying to trivialize this, however, the situation in Tokyo is vastly different than the situation in Fukushima, Miyage or even Sendai. And the media hype has been ridiculous.


I take it you didn't watch the wind direction every day during the crisis. The wind was, luckily, almost every single day blowing out to sea.

You rolled your dice and won this time.
 
2011-04-12 01:06:16 AM

Corvus: I wouldn't of noticed but you started in this thread too. Which made me interested if you were one of the one's in the previous thread shouting down others.


I was, yes. Am doing the same here as well. Except I haven't been shouting, I have been typing. My cruise control for awesome has remained in the "off" position.

Anybody ctrl +f this thread for banana yet?
 
2011-04-12 01:07:04 AM
RoyBatty Quote 2011-04-12 12:48:36 AM
CB-in-Tokyo: Roy,

I work in IT in Tokyo (am supposedly working right now.)

Hey CB-in-Tokyo, thanks, would you do me a favor and send me an email (farkerroybatty at gmail). I'd like to chat about where to live, expenses, salary, requirements to know Japanese, and stuff like that...


You got mail!
 
2011-04-12 01:07:50 AM

Corvus: What about the fishing? Is it possible for the radiation to build up in fish like mercury does and harm the fishing industry there for awhile?


Has this been discussed there?


Some isotopes from what I understand will accumulate in the food chain.

So, yes.
 
2011-04-12 01:07:50 AM
This is just knee-jerk fearmongering from the doomtards and tinfoil hatters.
 
2011-04-12 01:08:04 AM

Ivo Shandor: Kirk's_Toupee: apparently there is no way to observe the objects left behind on the lunar surface.

As an aside, this is no longer the case. They're too small to see from earth but the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has taken some very nice pictures of the landing sites. Apollo 14 for example (new window).


www.nasa.gov

Again I state seeing is believing. A pixel does not come close.
 
2011-04-12 01:09:06 AM
Getting hit by a good sized quake right now...
 
2011-04-12 01:09:26 AM

Ender's: jingks: People who evacuated Tokyo? Yeah, they're still pussies.

Be prepared to see this post in another thread sometime in May



Funny. That's what some people said about others who left New Orleans.

Let's not count our fishes before they're hatched. The Wall Street Journal reported on a Japanese mayor trying to get people and businesses not to leave his devastated town. He's had some success.
 
2011-04-12 01:09:34 AM

cedarpark: Apparently they're now at condition pink.


cdn.pimpmyspace.org
 
2011-04-12 01:09:50 AM

epoc_tnac: On the other hand, when the company finally admits that it's on a par with Chernobyl, I would think about leaving.


From cnn.com:
"Japanese authorities "provisionally" declared the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident a level 7 event, putting the crisis on par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster."

Looks like "authorities" are admitting it. Everybody from the company is probably playing "turn out the lights and watch us glow!"
 
2011-04-12 01:09:58 AM

CB-in-Tokyo: Getting hit by a good sized quake right now...


Yeah, damn cell phone alarms have been going off all day. Missed the morning one, was on the train and felt nothing.
 
2011-04-12 01:10:03 AM

Ender's: Corvus: I wouldn't of noticed but you started in this thread too. Which made me interested if you were one of the one's in the previous thread shouting down others.

I was, yes. Am doing the same here as well. Except I haven't been shouting, I have been typing. My cruise control for awesome has remained in the "off" position.

Anybody ctrl +f this thread for banana yet?


Whatever. You're just a troll. Keep calling anyone who gets evacuated or hurt from this "pussies" and keep name calling people who bring up what actually is going on. Also the "Your not allowed to repost when we make wrong statements" is great too.
 
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