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(AP)   Janitor loses security clearance because of poor credit rating, now unable to scrub top-secret toilets   (customwire.ap.org) divider line 165
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2003-08-06 09:33:31 AM  
Thank you republicans for making us all a little bit poorer, and then point the finger at us that our bad credit makes us 'terrorists'

This links deserves the assinine tag more than anything else.
 
2003-08-06 10:42:43 AM  
Yeah, blame the Republicans because you are too lazy, irresponsible, or stupid, to maintain a job and a good credit rating. You got that post in early, must be free use a computer day down at the welfare office.
 
2003-08-06 10:47:57 AM  
Thank you republicans for making us all a little bit poorer, and then point the finger at us that our bad credit makes us 'terrorists'

Then on the next thread, you'll see how the Republicans are the party of the rich. Now, if you take this statment and combine it with the conventional wisdom that you need more people like you to stay in power then you can come to the conclusion that Republicans want MORE not LESS people to become rich. That makes nstutsman's statement asinine.

Now, on to the reason for checking credit in employment. If a candidate for a job is a habitual "turd" and never pays anyone, he is not trustworthy. If a person is not good with his money, he sure as hell isn't going to be good with yours. And in a position that might give a person with money problems access to sensitive material, you have a situation that might have the potential for bad results. Do we keep him on and then decide it was a bad idea after he scores a deal with a potential enemy? I think it's best to err on the side of caution during war time.
 
2003-08-06 11:02:54 AM  
By January of this year, the department had concluded that Lynch, who makes $16.85 an hour sweeping floors at Lockheed's plant in Moorestown, N.J., was a threat and moved to revoke his clearance.

$16.85 to sweep floors?

And people wonder why businesses move overseas.
 
2003-08-06 11:04:27 AM  
Thank you, Dancin_In_Anson, for injecting some common sense into the thread early.

That should forestall any of those ugly flamewars I've been hearing people talk about.
 
2003-08-06 11:12:59 AM  
I'm Dancing with Anson on this one. People strapped for cash can get desperate.
 
2003-08-06 11:32:36 AM  
Thankya

Thankyaverymuch.
 
2003-08-06 11:56:42 AM  
The guys been there for almost 20 years. Now all of a sudden he's a threat? He had to file for bankruptcy in 1993, 10 years ago, but only now he is a threat because of a financial matter.

"In 19 years of using his security clearance to sweep floors at a plant owned by defense contractor Lockheed Martin, janitor Michael Lynch has done nothing to arouse suspicion.

Co-workers and bosses speak glowingly of Lynch, a brain-tumor survivor who's active in his church, building homes for poor people in Maine and West Virginia.

But because he and his family have struggled financially, the government now sees him as a threat to national security. Defense Department officials believe the janitor may be tempted to sell government secrets to get out of debt."

Yeah, it all adds up now. not a complaint about him, glowing reviews by co-workers. Fark him, he works too hard, and he goes to church. He must be up to something.

Almost makes me proud to be an American.
 
2003-08-06 12:06:36 PM  
Defense Department officials believe the janitor may be tempted to sell government secrets to get out of debt."

Once again, do you wait for the cow to get out of the barn before closing the door? We are at WAR, amigo. War against people that have loads of cash to offer to people just like this guy. I understand that he is probably a fantastic, God fearing American. A risk is a risk.

On top of that, the publicity that this will generate will probably earn him more than $16.85/ hour.
 
2003-08-06 12:15:06 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson

Once again, do you wait for the cow to get out of the barn before closing the door? We are at WAR, amigo. War against people that have loads of cash to offer to people just like this guy. I understand that he is probably a fantastic, God fearing American. A risk is a risk.

Wait, if our enemies have loads of cash for whoever sells out wouldn't everyone but the rich be a security risk? Wait, no the rich are out because they would always like more money too. Sure the guy has some financial issues but I think that some background on why he has them is in order. Is it because he spends all his money on booze or is it from the cost of surviving a brain tumor?
 
2003-08-06 12:15:38 PM  
If his low financial status makes him a threat - give him a raise thereby eliminating said threat. They'll blow more cash in PR and legal costs now.
 
2003-08-06 12:19:33 PM  
Consider the distant, remote possibility that perhaps this guy isn't a whore. Perhaps he actually has grasped the ideology of finding more value in things other than money - surviving major medical situations can do that in life. I realize the importance of money and all - it's just a transferal of bent priorities that these people are making with this gross assumption of the mans character.

Kinda like a moral 'Minority Report'
 
2003-08-06 12:26:16 PM  
Lynch's troubles began shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, when an official reviewing Lynch's security clearance began raising questions about a 1993 bankruptcy, an unpaid tax bill and some discrepancies on paperwork that Lynch filled out in 1999.

Yes I see the security threat now, a ten-year-old bankruptcy some back taxes and some "discrepancies" on 4-year-old paper work. I say "discrepancies" because they state it's for financial reasons, not lying on paper work. Those damn poor cancer survivors always willing to sell out their county for a few bucks, not at all like rich politicians/business men. They cost more.
 
2003-08-06 12:37:22 PM  
I will be honest. I have not read the article. (picking it up from the comments) I deal with peoples' credit for a living and I witness first hand what happens when people go short on funds. What's REALLY scary is when people (like this guy) have tax problems. That's when the shiat really hits the fan and people get desperate. Just one more reason for me to agree with the decision.

Hey. I feel for the guy. I am not some cold hearted bastard. But I am a realist. Go back in (recent) history and pick out some of the biggest spy stories. What was motivation #1 in most instances?
 
2003-08-06 12:46:44 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson

Hey. I feel for the guy. I am not some cold hearted bastard. But I am a realist. Go back in (recent) history and pick out some of the biggest spy stories. What was motivation #1 in most instances?

Money was some of the motivation. If I remember correctly the last two big cases were more about the spies ego, the spies also weren't exactly strapped for cash.
 
2003-08-06 12:53:20 PM  
Money was some of the motivation.

And there you have it. Top that off with an impending IRS anal probe and you have a guy that will empty the shredder on slice at a time.
 
2003-08-06 12:56:12 PM  
CLEAN IT

 
2003-08-06 12:57:12 PM  
Bad credit will keep you out of many jobs these days. Ever apply for an IT job at a bank.
 
2003-08-06 12:58:33 PM  
What's a Repubelican?
/Dumb Ass Canadian
 
2003-08-06 12:59:00 PM  
Oh man, I didn't need to see that.

You're a jerk, AlgertMan.
 
2003-08-06 12:59:45 PM  
The article is a little slanted. It sort of buries the fact that he LIED on his application. That is the REAL reason for the action.
 
2003-08-06 01:00:12 PM  
Never seen you post before AlgertMan. Just had to say something between bannings, eh?
 
2003-08-06 01:00:49 PM  
Hey, I'm a former Marine with a Final Top Secret-Q clearance. I almost wasn't given the clearance because of credit problems in my past. In fact, I had to take leave, go back to my hometown and pay off a past debt. The military takes credit problems very seriously in high clearance people.
 
2003-08-06 01:01:33 PM  
I just hope that the other employees that he works with were subject to the same scrutiny. Here is a link to some of the biggest spy cases in the US over the last 20 years.

http://www-cgi.cnn.com/2001/US/08/24/spy.timeline/

Anyone know how many of our congressmen and representatives have filed for bankruptcy or have bad credit? Let's fire them too.
 
2003-08-06 01:02:01 PM  
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Damnit!
 
2003-08-06 01:03:06 PM  
This happens in the military too. There are a number of reasons that you could lose your clearance, or not be granted a clearance. Financial problems are a big one, but they also ask about previous alcohol related incidents, foreign born spouses, any family memebers that are a member of a party whose intent is to overthrow the government, etc...

/Just glad to know I can use my clearance to be a janitor when I retire from the military!!
 
2003-08-06 01:03:12 PM  
But our president and his top staff can all have the shadiest financial history on earth, have past business relationships with known criminals and terrorists, and literally do and say ANYTHING for a "campaign contribution".

Ya, I'm sure KBR took a really hard look at the credit ratings of all teh immigrants it employs for "services" to the military in Iraq. Don't worry, cheap labor conservatives won't take this too far, they have money to make after all.
 
2003-08-06 01:03:22 PM  
Bad credit has always kept people out of Secret and Top Secret jobs. This is nothing new.
 
2003-08-06 01:03:38 PM  
Lipspinach

According to Peter Griffin, it's a "fat white man afraid of change."

[/Family Guy]
 
2003-08-06 01:03:55 PM  
A risk is a risk. It doesn't matter if he's going to sell secrets to the Russians or not. Many of the worst Western traitors were wealthy, highly educated men. While I agree that this guy probably poses no threat, that's not the point. It's RISK. Most people have no idea about managing risk...just look at all the car wrecks and lottery players. Anyone familiar with security management will see this is a regrettable but necessary situation. The guy isn't losing his job, just his clearance. He can mop floors in any building, just not one where he can access government secrets.

/used to be in computer security and just got tired of banging my head against the wall
 
2003-08-06 01:04:00 PM  
"Anyone know how many of our congressmen and representatives have filed for bankruptcy or have bad credit?"

We won't even talk about convictions.
 
2003-08-06 01:04:38 PM  
YOu know, I really wonder why you'd get credit checked for a job sweeping floors instead of a job operating a cash register. That's just stupid.
The credit rating companies also need to be regulated somehow, because it's been demonstrated that a $10 debt to two different companies carries inequal negative ratings depending on the size and influence of the creditor.

It's crap. Just like the auto insurance companies charging you more for insurance if you have bad credit. HELLO? LOGIC?
 
2003-08-06 01:04:43 PM  
"Many of the worst Western traitors were wealthy, highly educated men."

Good thing they are after this guy then.
 
2003-08-06 01:05:16 PM  
PM LipspinachWhat's a Repubelican?

Near as I can tell (as a Canuck), it's what Cretien was, what Clark strived to be, what Day defended against, and what Martin thinks will win him an election. :)
 
2003-08-06 01:05:56 PM  
I wish I got paid $16.85 an hour. I'd quit my pseudo-engineering temp job and scrub toilets 8 hours a day for all that extra coin.
 
2003-08-06 01:06:17 PM  
"The credit rating companies also need to be regulated somehow"

Forget it. Right now it's more profitable for them to pay fines and settlements over reporting erroneous information and refusing to correct it than it is to actually make an attempt to give accurate information.
 
2003-08-06 01:06:30 PM  
All you have to do is file for bankruptcy and wait 7 years.
 
2003-08-06 01:07:31 PM  
Oh, and all you people talking about Congress having bad credit...there's no election for security clearances. Although I'm in favor of thorough background checks and random drug testing of our elected representatives, this will never happen.
 
2003-08-06 01:07:36 PM  
"Anyone know how many of our congressmen and representatives have filed for bankruptcy or have bad credit?"

Sounds like a good idea to me. If you can't manage your own money I sure as fark don't want you managing mine.
 
2003-08-06 01:08:27 PM  
...a brain-tumor survivor who's active in his church, building homes for poor people in Maine and West Virginia.

I want to join that church! All I have to do is build homes for poor people in Maine and West Virginia? Sign me up.

/hates reporters with poor grammar skills
 
2003-08-06 01:09:28 PM  
Military-Industrial Complex > anything in its path.
 
2003-08-06 01:09:37 PM  
2003-08-06 01:06:30 PM mortisthecat

All you have to do is file for bankruptcy and wait 7 years.


10 years in NY
 
2003-08-06 01:10:16 PM  
As someone who holds a TS clearance let me tell you...

you may have access to classified material.. which is important to our enemies. you could easily sell it for large profit.. paying your debts off, clearing your bad credit.

thats the end of this thread. trust me, im 100% right with this.
 
2003-08-06 01:11:22 PM  
"You've got bureaucrats taking the approach that (it's better to be) wrong in this area than allowing someone who is a potential security threat."

Um, yes, exactly.

He probably wouldn't be a security problem, just like most other people with objectively identifiable risk factors. But he has an obvious risk. There are plenty of people who don't have those risks who can do the job.

Should the risks be ignored? Can you imagine the uproar if someone with similar risk problems is ever found to have compromised national security - and was allowed to remain in his position despite known risks? "But he seemed like such a nice guy, and hadn't caused problems before" wouldn't cut it - heads would roll.
 
2003-08-06 01:12:04 PM  
Please:

Amen to that. I had to practically bomb the offices to have an erroneous entry removed. It took me nearly a year.
 
2003-08-06 01:13:09 PM  
Well, who's not "financially overextended" these days, anyway? Trump, Eisner, Oprah, Gates, the West Virginia lottery winner. That's who. Clear them!
 
2003-08-06 01:13:59 PM  
"i want that head so sanitary and squared away that the virgin mary herself would be pleased to go in there and take a dump."

/hartman
 
2003-08-06 01:14:38 PM  
"Anyone know how many of our congressmen and representatives have filed for bankruptcy or have bad credit?"

29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse,
7 have been arrested for fraud,
19 have been accused of writing bad checks,
117 have bankrupted at least two businesses,
3 have been arrested for assault,
71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a credit card,
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges,
8 have been arrested for shoplifting,
21 are current defendants in lawsuits,

And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity. (from Capitol Hill Blue)

And these are the People who make Laws that We MUST obey?
Your tax dollars at work!


Snopes kinda discredits this by asking a few questions, however, they don't outright dispel it.
 
2003-08-06 01:16:31 PM  
...I think the point is he ALREADY had the job, and was working there 10 years ago when he filed for bankruptcy and it wasn't a problem then (as evident by him filing for bankruptcy and not stealing to pay his debts). Maybe if they just gave him a farkin' raise (instead of spending money on lawyers) for 19 years of his dedicated janitorial service - he could pay his debts and help send his BLIND daughter to school.


...not everything has to be so farkin black/white you kooky republikkkans
 
2003-08-06 01:17:10 PM  
-Dancing In Anson:

-It would make sense that republicans would want MORE people to be rich and not LESS.

And you called that other guy asnine? Jesus. What kind of stupid...oh never mind.

Yeah, Republicans, the 'rich' party, want to give away all their money to everyone else, thus making more people rich. You retard. Please, think for about 30 seconds before posting.

-16.85 for sweeping floors? No wonder businesses are moving overseas.

$16.85 is what people need to earn a living for a family in the Good Old USA. Are you blaming this kind of guy for high costs of living?

The reason corporations want to move overseas is so that they can continue to create high costs of living *here*, and pay their employees *less*, thereby increasing *profit margins* for *executives* without having to share with *other Americans*.

It's so simple, yet so difficult for some people to grasp.

Debt as a reason for betrayal. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't large defense contractors have a fair bit of cash sitting around? Wouldn't it be nice if, instead of firing some old guy who suffered and survived a brain tumor and works as a janitor to eke out a living, they just pensioned him? I mean sure, it'd cut into the Good Old American Profit Margin, but after all, this guy *is* a Good Old American, so it can't be all that bad.

I'm sick of you all. Bunch of flaming idiots. Capitalism creating traitors, creating a slave-class of disposable humans, creating a noble-class of untouchable rich (see: law-breaking politicians). Yet none of you ever get it - there is *no difference* in the societal structures of *any* culture past or present. It's always the same crap. Don't go holy-on-thou with the "virtues" of USA. It just makes you look like a sheep.
 
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