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2011-04-08 03:10:12 PM
FACT. They nailed his feet together because he was taking too wide a stance at the urinal.
 
2011-04-08 03:10:36 PM
 
2011-04-08 03:11:02 PM

ivan: Andulamb: This writer seems like a complete troll.

No, not a troll. Here is the context. (new window)


i guess a lot of people fail to realize there are a lot of "books" or writings (legitimately from the time of the gospels and earlier) that "the Church" decided to omit from the official canon.
the contents of these writings are very interesting to say the least, and obviously did not "serve the church" at the time, or specifically, those in charge and in power.
 
2011-04-08 03:11:11 PM

Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?


According to Jewish tradition they DID stone him.
 
2011-04-08 03:11:38 PM

Nabb1: The Why Not Guy: Farker T: Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Yeah, as opposed to reality where Jesus was able to live his life without anyone trying to hurt him. Sure, there was that one time He was nailed to a cross, but that was an isolated incident.

Overzealous Pilate Jews. Non-story.



FTFY

QUOTE:

" 19When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

26Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

END QUOTE

Matthew 27:19-26 (new window)


Like I said, overzealous Jews.
 
2011-04-08 03:14:09 PM

CaesarSneezy: ZeroCorpse: This is a dumb discussion. Jesus was fictional. He was created by Saul of Tarsus as a parable; Nothing more.

There's no historical evidence to support his existence outside of the Bible. He is a fantasy character.

What makes you so sure? Paul supposedly joined the party late, and wasn't the only apostle running around the classical world. Was Peter made up too? He claimed to have lived with Jesus, as did the other disciples.


My take is if Jesus was real, he was a small time not well known preacher who told the parables and sermons, got crucified like thousands of other religious outsiders, and then Paul and Peter and the like decided to turn Judaism from a tribal to evangelical religion, and they made up the rest of the story with lots of Pagan traditions like the virgin birth and changed a lot of the rules on things like circumcisions to appeal to the Pagans.
 
2011-04-08 03:14:33 PM

Farker T: Like I said, overzealous Jews.


Well, yeah.
 
2011-04-08 03:14:50 PM

deadcrickets: Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?

According to Jewish tradition they DID stone him.



Citation, please.

And for being gay???


/Jews have certainly been stoning his memory for centuries
//They hate xesus xhrist and xians
 
2011-04-08 03:15:16 PM

Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?


Doesn't say god can't nail them. He just doesn't like sloppy seconds.
 
2011-04-08 03:15:53 PM

abb3w: Archae hippy: They're fake

A minor problem, I suppose.


How so? We're talking belief, which by definition does not rest on validity. Fake codices actually strengthen belief, as what remains rests even less on independent verification.
 
2011-04-08 03:17:16 PM
I have to resist many of the females who walk by (I take a pass on Samoan women). What does than make me?
 
2011-04-08 03:17:58 PM

8.5 tailed fox: ZeroCorpse: This is a dumb discussion. Jesus was fictional. He was created by Saul of Tarsus as a parable; Nothing more.

There's no historical evidence to support his existence outside of the Bible. He is a fantasy character.

So? People argue about whether Dumbledore is gay.


Say what you will about Jesus, but leave Dumbledore out of this!!
 
2011-04-08 03:19:26 PM

soseussme: Well, the "eat my flesh" makes a little more sense now, but the "drink my blood" is still pretty creepy.


The Hindus believed that it took 40 drops of blood to make 1 drop of semen.

Lent is 40 days long.

I'm not saying Jesus was a Hindu, but he did want you to swallow his flamingly fabulous seed.

/I hear Fox News is looking for a new personality. . .
 
2011-04-08 03:19:45 PM

Farker T: Nabb1: The Why Not Guy: Farker T: Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Yeah, as opposed to reality where Jesus was able to live his life without anyone trying to hurt him. Sure, there was that one time He was nailed to a cross, but that was an isolated incident.

Overzealous Pilate Jews. Non-story.


FTFY

QUOTE:

" 19When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

26Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

END QUOTE

Matthew 27:19-26 (new window)


Like I said, overzealous Jews.


"barabas" = "bar abba" = Son of the Father, i.e. Jesus.

Way to rehash discredited shnit that was used to persecute Jews for ages.
 
2011-04-08 03:20:11 PM

Farker T: deadcrickets: Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?

According to Jewish tradition they DID stone him.


Citation, please.

And for being gay???


/Jews have certainly been stoning his memory for centuries
//They hate xesus xhrist and xians


"Now, there was in the Temple a stone on which was engraved the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] or Schem Hamphorasch, that is to say, the Ineffable Name of God; this stone had been found by King David when the foundations of the Temple were being prepared and was deposited by him in the Holy of Holies. Jeschu, knowing this, came from Galilee and, penetrating into the Holy of Holies, read the Ineffable name, which he transcribed on to a piece of whom parchment and concealed in an incision under his skin. By this means he was able to work miracles and to persuade the people that he was the son of God foretold by Isaiah. With the aid of Judas, the Sages of the Synagogue, succeeding in capturing Jeschu, who was then lead before the Great and Little Sanhedrim, by whom he was condemned to be stoned to death and finally hanged." Such is the story of Christ according to the Jewish Kabbalists ..."
 
2011-04-08 03:20:45 PM
That's one big flaming troll 'news' article there. Yep.

/Writer can't report, but he's great at imagining!
//And the editor must have wanted to respond to a few dozen angry letters this week.
 
2011-04-08 03:21:24 PM
Just another example of the homosexual apocrypha.
 
2011-04-08 03:22:15 PM

Farker T:

Matthew 27:19-26 (new window)


Like I said, overzealous Jews.



That part of the story always seemed fishy to me. From what is known about Pilate, he wasn't likely to bow to the wishes of a mob of Jews, or even listen to them.
I've always figured that Pilate got a report of a crazy Jew who had caused a ruckus in the temple and ordered him eliminated without a second thought. Probably never even saw him. Passover was a troublesome time for the Romans and Pilate wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone who stepped out of line.
The rest of it was added in to the gospel later for political reasons.

Plus, doesn't "Bar-Abbas" mean "Father's Son" in Aramaic? It sounds like a John Doe or a made up name.
 
2011-04-08 03:23:06 PM

deadcrickets: Farker T: deadcrickets: Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?

According to Jewish tradition they DID stone him.


Citation, please.

And for being gay???


/Jews have certainly been stoning his memory for centuries
//They hate xesus xhrist and xians

"Now, there was in the Temple a stone on which was engraved the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] or Schem Hamphorasch, that is to say, the Ineffable Name of God; this stone had been found by King David when the foundations of the Temple were being prepared and was deposited by him in the Holy of Holies. Jeschu, knowing this, came from Galilee and, penetrating into the Holy of Holies, read the Ineffable name, which he transcribed on to a piece of whom parchment and concealed in an incision under his skin. By this means he was able to work miracles and to persuade the people that he was the son of God foretold by Isaiah. With the aid of Judas, the Sages of the Synagogue, succeeding in capturing Jeschu, who was then lead before the Great and Little Sanhedrim, by whom he was condemned to be stoned to death and finally hanged." Such is the story of Christ according to the Jewish Kabbalists ..."


Now connect that to what Acts 10:39 says:

"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all claim he was crucified. Acts claims he was hung. The Jews claimed he was stoned and hung.
 
2011-04-08 03:23:16 PM

Wade_Wilson: Slightly serious question. I haven't really been following this story, so does anyone have any idea of what the veracity of these codices are? I mean, compared the most of the stuff that christians do generally accept as true?

Is this a big deal, or just a writer getting a story out of the most controvertial possibility he could come up with? Or both?


This article is a hypothetical situation. it's one of a series called "what would you add to the Bible". No truth to it, whatsoever.
 
2011-04-08 03:24:24 PM

Regnad Kcin: The English translation of the Bible calls Jesus a "carpenter". However, the Greek text uses the term Έχω κάνει σεξ με τη μητέρα σας , which translates literally as "interior decorator."


you win
 
2011-04-08 03:25:06 PM

radioman_: I have to resist many of the females who walk by (I take a pass on Samoan women). What does than make me?


what do girl scouts have to do with this?
 
2011-04-08 03:25:40 PM

deadcrickets: Now connect that to what Acts 10:39 says:

"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all claim he was crucified. Acts claims he was hung. The Jews claimed he was stoned and hung.


I think you mean "hanged," unless we're talking about his physical attributes. And I assumed they meant they "hanged" him "on a tree" with nails. You can hang something with nails.
 
2011-04-08 03:26:23 PM
Too bad those tablets were a hoax.
 
2011-04-08 03:27:37 PM
Lol, I thought the article URL was ...jesus-gay-man-cooties, and did a double-take.
 
2011-04-08 03:27:40 PM

deadcrickets:
"Now, there was in the Temple a stone on which was engraved the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] or Schem Hamphorasch, that is to say, the Ineffable Name of God; this stone had been found by King David when the foundations of the Temple were being prepared and was deposited by him in the Holy of Holies. Jeschu, knowing this, came from Galilee and, penetrating into the Holy of Holies, read the Ineffable name, which he transcribed on to a piece of whom parchment and concealed in an incision under his skin. By this means he was able to work miracles and to persuade the people that he was the son of God foretold by Isaiah. With the aid of Judas, the Sages of the Synagogue, succeeding in capturing Jeschu, who was then lead before the Great and Little Sanhedrim, by whom he was condemned to be stoned to death and finally hanged." Such is the story of Christ according to the Jewish Kabbalists ..."

Now connect that to what Acts 10:39 says:

"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all claim he was crucified. Acts claims he was hung. The Jews claimed he was stoned and hung.



"Hanging him on a tree" is also a euphemism for crucifixion. If the text had said "Hanging him FROM a tree," that might be different.
 
2011-04-08 03:28:43 PM

Regnad Kcin: deadcrickets:
"Now, there was in the Temple a stone on which was engraved the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] or Schem Hamphorasch, that is to say, the Ineffable Name of God; this stone had been found by King David when the foundations of the Temple were being prepared and was deposited by him in the Holy of Holies. Jeschu, knowing this, came from Galilee and, penetrating into the Holy of Holies, read the Ineffable name, which he transcribed on to a piece of whom parchment and concealed in an incision under his skin. By this means he was able to work miracles and to persuade the people that he was the son of God foretold by Isaiah. With the aid of Judas, the Sages of the Synagogue, succeeding in capturing Jeschu, who was then lead before the Great and Little Sanhedrim, by whom he was condemned to be stoned to death and finally hanged." Such is the story of Christ according to the Jewish Kabbalists ..."

Now connect that to what Acts 10:39 says:

"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all claim he was crucified. Acts claims he was hung. The Jews claimed he was stoned and hung.


"Hanging him on a tree" is also a euphemism for crucifixion. If the text had said "Hanging him FROM a tree," that might be different.


Desperate for a way out huh?
 
2011-04-08 03:30:42 PM

Regnad Kcin: That part of the story always seemed fishy to me. From what is known about Pilate, he wasn't likely to bow to the wishes of a mob of Jews, or even listen to them.
I've always figured that Pilate got a report of a crazy Jew who had caused a ruckus in the temple and ordered him eliminated without a second thought. Probably never even saw him. Passover was a troublesome time for the Romans and Pilate wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone who stepped out of line.
The rest of it was added in to the gospel later for political reasons.

Plus, doesn't "Bar-Abbas" mean "Father's Son" in Aramaic? It sounds like a John Doe or a made up name


and then the twin towers were taken down by some "muslims"?? it all sounds like an inside job to me

/moon "landing" was on a soundstage
 
2011-04-08 03:32:02 PM

deadcrickets:
Desperate for a way out huh?


Not at all. In fact, I couldn't care less. However, studying crucifixion was a ghoulish hobby of mine in my youth. If you want to nail somebody up, I'm your man.

/I should put that on my business cards.
 
2011-04-08 03:32:15 PM

Koalaesq: Farker T: Nabb1: The Why Not Guy: Farker T: Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Yeah, as opposed to reality where Jesus was able to live his life without anyone trying to hurt him. Sure, there was that one time He was nailed to a cross, but that was an isolated incident.

Overzealous Pilate Jews. Non-story.


FTFY

QUOTE:

" 19When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

26Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

END QUOTE

Matthew 27:19-26 (new window)


Like I said, overzealous Jews.



Koalaesq: "barabas" = "bar abba" = Son of the Father, i.e. Jesus.


So you're saying that the 'Barabbas' in the story was JESUS, and that he was released?

Then who, pray tell, was the 'Jesus' dude that was scourged and then crucified?

And if 'Barabbas' means 'son of the father', that could pretty much describe any male, could it not?


Koalaesq: Way to rehash discredited shnit that was used to persecute Jews for ages.


I would hardly call a direct quote a 'rehash'.

And 'discredited'? According to who?

Citations needed.

Thanks.
 
2011-04-08 03:32:48 PM

deadcrickets: Regnad Kcin: deadcrickets:
"Now, there was in the Temple a stone on which was engraved the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] or Schem Hamphorasch, that is to say, the Ineffable Name of God; this stone had been found by King David when the foundations of the Temple were being prepared and was deposited by him in the Holy of Holies. Jeschu, knowing this, came from Galilee and, penetrating into the Holy of Holies, read the Ineffable name, which he transcribed on to a piece of whom parchment and concealed in an incision under his skin. By this means he was able to work miracles and to persuade the people that he was the son of God foretold by Isaiah. With the aid of Judas, the Sages of the Synagogue, succeeding in capturing Jeschu, who was then lead before the Great and Little Sanhedrim, by whom he was condemned to be stoned to death and finally hanged." Such is the story of Christ according to the Jewish Kabbalists ..."

Now connect that to what Acts 10:39 says:

"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all claim he was crucified. Acts claims he was hung. The Jews claimed he was stoned and hung.


"Hanging him on a tree" is also a euphemism for crucifixion. If the text had said "Hanging him FROM a tree," that might be different.

Desperate for a way out huh?


Why? I essentially said the same thing. I've heard that passage many, many times, and this is the first time I can recall anyone discussing the way you interpret it.
 
2011-04-08 03:33:25 PM
Now I'm confused--was he a womanizer who hung out with whores or gay or just whatever is supposed to raise ire these days? And while homosexuality has never been big with the Jews, can you think of a culture less likely to persecute a gay man than the ancient Romans?
 
2011-04-08 03:33:44 PM
It's well known that Jesus "loved" one of his disciples.. specifically the youngest one, John. The Bible even refers to "the disciple whom Jesus loved". When Jesus was on the cross he told his mother to accept John as her own son, and John to accept Mary as his mother. Kinda like, if Jesus and John were married

FTFB:
John 19:26-27

26 When Jesus saw his mother standing there beside the disciple he loved, he said to her, "Woman, he is your son."

27 And he said to this disciple, "She is your mother." And from then on this disciple took her into his home.
 
2011-04-08 03:33:46 PM

kukukupo: Too bad those tablets were a hoax.


WHAT IF there was a website that had a large population of idiots that makes trolling easier than taking candy from a baby

WHAT IF??!

don't worry trollmitter, you'll get all the bites you need

//it's almost too easy
 
2011-04-08 03:35:40 PM
reading comprehension fail...

fTFA

Jesus as an openly gay man

What if the newly found codices provided evidence of Jesus's same-sex activity? Michael Ruse imagines the implications
 
2011-04-08 03:37:45 PM

kentriccubed: AnubisMan: I know for a fact a bunch of romans nailed him


Thread over, we have a winner!


LOL!! Seconded!
 
2011-04-08 03:38:29 PM

Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?


I'm not Bible scholar, but I think the quote you're referring to is from the Old Testament, when God was a real prick to his people, and not the New Testament, where suddenly God's all loving and stuff, and not having dads attempt to kill their kids and flooding everyone.

Seriously, the tone switch between those two books pretty much tells me the New Testament is a replacement for the old. Or God retired and a new God took over. One who had less mommy issues.

/It's all goat-herder Superman tales anyway, who cares?
 
2011-04-08 03:38:34 PM

give me doughnuts: ttina: give me doughnuts: Jesus was a Capricorn, he ate organic foods.
He believed in love and peace and never wore no shoes.
Long hair, beard and sandals and a funky bunch of friends.
Reckon they'd just nail him up if He come down again.

'Cos everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.
Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.

Get back, John!

Egg Head's cousin Red Neck's cussin' hippies for their hair.
Others laugh at straights who laugh at freaks who laugh at squares.
Some folks hate the whites who hate the blacks who hate the clan.
Most of us hate anything that we don't understand.

'Cos everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.
Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.

Oy, dim bulb: Jesus was actually born sometime in March...according to the Jewish calender. Definitely not a Capricorn.

A) He's a fictional character
B) The standard time to celebrate the birth of this character in Dec. 25.
C) The retards that actually believe in astrology have this date in the range for "Capricorn."
D) I didn't write the song.
E) You're a moran.


what's your point? standard time to celebrate Washington's birthday is the 3rd Monday of February. sorry to break it to you but the old man's birthday didnt change dates to be on the same day of the week every year.

anyone who actually follows religion knows that Dec 25th is the day we observe Christ's birthday, not the actual day of his birth. but March is also not right, it is believed to be around october/november since he lived to 33.5 and he died at the feast passover which would make it 6 months before that. whether you are an atheist or antagonist and do not believe yourself calling one names for their beliefs is pretty mature. only ones who truly know are those have already passed over to the other side (whether it be a heaven with 2348972 virgins and a lifetime of keg stands that await, or just someone permanently turning out the lights).
/yeah, welcome to Fark.jpg
//maybe I just got troll'ed
///still childlish
 
2011-04-08 03:38:45 PM

deadcrickets: Farker T: deadcrickets: Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?

According to Jewish tradition they DID stone him.


Citation, please.

And for being gay???


/Jews have certainly been stoning his memory for centuries
//They hate xesus xhrist and xians

"Now, there was in the Temple a stone on which was engraved the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] or Schem Hamphorasch, that is to say, the Ineffable Name of God; this stone had been found by King David when the foundations of the Temple were being prepared and was deposited by him in the Holy of Holies. Jeschu, knowing this, came from Galilee and, penetrating into the Holy of Holies, read the Ineffable name, which he transcribed on to a piece of whom parchment and concealed in an incision under his skin. By this means he was able to work miracles and to persuade the people that he was the son of God foretold by Isaiah. With the aid of Judas, the Sages of the Synagogue, succeeding in capturing Jeschu, who was then lead before the Great and Little Sanhedrim, by whom he was condemned to be stoned to death and finally hanged." Such is the story of Christ according to the Jewish Kabbalists ..."



So the Christians claim that Jesus was able to work miracles because he was the son of God.

The Jews, OTOH, claim that he was a magician who was able to work miracles because he wrote magic words on a piece of paper ans stuffed it under his skin.

Who to believe? Who to believe?

Let's ask James Randi!

Anyhoo, if you're going to get crucified, you might as well be stoned. ;-)
 
2011-04-08 03:39:49 PM
SLAM DUNK!
 
2011-04-08 03:40:28 PM

MaxxLarge: Well, DUH. He wore sandals, a dress, loved wine, never got married, and hung out with 12 other dudes all the time. You do the math.


The "lost" books talk about his marriage and children. The bible as we know it is just some stuff thrown together with several books taken out they did not like.
 
2011-04-08 03:40:30 PM

Regnad Kcin: The English translation of the Bible calls Jesus a "carpenter". However, the Greek text uses the term Έχω κάνει σεξ με τη μητέρα σας , which translates literally as "interior decorator."


LOL!! Proof!!
 
2011-04-08 03:40:35 PM

CreamFilling: Now I'm confused--was he a womanizer who hung out with whores or gay or just whatever is supposed to raise ire these days? And while homosexuality has never been big with the Jews, can you think of a culture less likely to persecute a gay man than the ancient Romans?


yes, the greeks.

you know how they separate the men from the boys in greece?


with crowbars.
 
2011-04-08 03:41:32 PM
So he most likely died on the cross because he forgot his safety word?
 
2011-04-08 03:44:16 PM

Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?


So, Jesus wasn't gay, because he wasn't put to death?
That's REALLY your argument?
 
2011-04-08 03:45:41 PM

Morpheses: Farker T: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:13 (new window)

Sorry folks, but the Jews of Jesus' day were hardly tolerant of homosexuality. Had Jesus been 'openly gay', as the author Ruse (interesting pen name) claims, the Pharisees would have stoned him and his 'deciples' like a pack of rabid dogs.

Was Jesus gay? Who knows?

Was he 'openly gay' as the author claims?

I call the article a RUSE.


/Also noteworthy that this comes out just before Easter and Passover
//Don't you think?

I'm not Bible scholar, but I think the quote you're referring to is from the Old Testament, when God was a real prick to his people, and not the New Testament, where suddenly God's all loving and stuff, and not having dads attempt to kill their kids and flooding everyone.



With the exception of a handful of Jesus' followers, The Jews of the time were totally into the Torah/ Old Testament. They paid (and continue to pay) no mind to that newfangled stuff - which had yet to be written in any case.


Seriously, the tone switch between those two books pretty much tells me the New Testament is a replacement for the old. Or God retired and a new God took over. One who had less mommy issues.

/It's all goat-herder Superman tales anyway, who cares?



Not me. I'm just getting a kick out of bashing he bullshiat from all sides!


/The bible God is a prick, any way you slice it
//I enjoy kicking against the pricks
 
2011-04-08 03:45:43 PM

Kim Jong B Illin: So he most likely died on the cross because he forgot his safety word?


"Eloi! Eloi! Lama sabachthani!"
"Ooh! He wants Elijah to come over. Kinky!"
 
2011-04-08 03:51:32 PM

Nabb1: deadcrickets: Regnad Kcin: deadcrickets:
"Now, there was in the Temple a stone on which was engraved the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] or Schem Hamphorasch, that is to say, the Ineffable Name of God; this stone had been found by King David when the foundations of the Temple were being prepared and was deposited by him in the Holy of Holies. Jeschu, knowing this, came from Galilee and, penetrating into the Holy of Holies, read the Ineffable name, which he transcribed on to a piece of whom parchment and concealed in an incision under his skin. By this means he was able to work miracles and to persuade the people that he was the son of God foretold by Isaiah. With the aid of Judas, the Sages of the Synagogue, succeeding in capturing Jeschu, who was then lead before the Great and Little Sanhedrim, by whom he was condemned to be stoned to death and finally hanged." Such is the story of Christ according to the Jewish Kabbalists ..."

Now connect that to what Acts 10:39 says:

"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all claim he was crucified. Acts claims he was hung. The Jews claimed he was stoned and hung.


"Hanging him on a tree" is also a euphemism for crucifixion. If the text had said "Hanging him FROM a tree," that might be different.

Desperate for a way out huh?

Why? I essentially said the same thing. I've heard that passage many, many times, and this is the first time I can recall anyone discussing the way you interpret it.


Every Pastor and bible study I've ever been to (when I was younger) had them saying that since Acts was written later it was a corruption or that it was "remembered incorrectly". The actual wording in the original Greek is different to between Acts and the earlier books in regards to whether he was "hanged" or "crucified".
 
2011-04-08 03:54:36 PM

ZeroCorpse: There's no historical evidence to support his existence outside of the Bible.


someone is certainly living in a fantasy world

12349876: My take is if Jesus was real


i would have to figure out some way to rationalize away his existence, otherwise i might have to come to terms with the bitter consequences of reality

sophistry and logic gymnastics usually does the trick however if all else fails i should just deny the whole thing and pretend He never existed

ah, what a lovely rose colored day it is today

/raindrops falling
 
2011-04-08 03:56:20 PM

soseussme: Well, the "eat my flesh" makes a little more sense now, but the "drink my blood" is still pretty creepy.


I think they'll need to switch over to white wine now.
 
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