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2003-08-05 05:04:15 PM
Curious, what ARE the rules regarding statutory rape?

Depends on the state you are in I suppose. Here in California, any persons having sex with someone under 18, or having sex under the age of 18 is breaking the law, and can be prosecuted as such.

Here you CANNOT have sex until you are over the age of 18 or it's illegal.

(some jerk off's here don't understand that and try to argue it all the time, but it's true. I didn't write the rules, I'm not happy about them either, but they are there.)
 
2003-08-05 05:10:39 PM
Why is it funny when a 14 year old male lusts for boobies and wacks off to any pr0n he can find but a 14 year old female coming on to the local boys is a skank who needs therapy?

One involves the functioning of an active fantasy life. The other involves actions in the real world that affect real people.
 
2003-08-05 05:13:55 PM
I was lusting for big boobies to squeeze when I was in 1st grade, is that funny?

I was always afraid of girls girls though, cooties and what not till I got older. I ended up losing my virginity at 16.

Funny enough she, had D's. =P
 
2003-08-05 05:16:49 PM
To all you male farkers out there, keep in mind that statutory rape includes more than just actual sex. A buddy of mine just had to lock a guy up because he "fooled around" with an under the age of consent minor.
 
2003-08-05 05:39:25 PM
A 7 year age difference isn't really much,,

no. not when it's 30 and 37. but 13 and 20? what about 10 and 17? a 13 yr old and a 6 year old? see? The lower the age gets the sicker it becomes. 7 years IS alot between 13 and 20.
 
2003-08-05 06:03:39 PM
Why is it funny when a 14 year old male lusts for boobies and wacks off to any pr0n he can find but a 14 year old female coming on to the local boys is a skank who needs therapy?

Because the 14 year old male is doing it in his room, the girl might be bending over to show herself off. If a guy pulled out the old "Twig and Berries" he'd get arrested for exposing himself but the girl in the tiny thong wouldn't.

Not that I mind the thongs though.
 
2003-08-05 06:05:47 PM
I'm 15 and my love is 22. No one that knows us personally has any problems, though those that don't most obviously assume the worst. Of course, he's in college/military and has a great job. He also always had girlfriends his age before me. Not to mention our relationship is taken as seriously as the one between my middle-aged father and his girlfriend.
 
2003-08-05 06:31:18 PM
jackycane, I look at that as being sick. Your boyfriend is a sicko, and one of the ones who should be castrated.

You're 15, what is he that immature that your two make a perfect couple? The mentallity difference is enough alone to make that relationship unstable.
 
2003-08-05 06:47:02 PM
What, no pics? I'm surprised...

The dude:


The Mother Of His Child:
 
2003-08-05 06:50:43 PM
Where these people come from is that they reproduce unselfconsciously, the way a dog takes a piss.
 
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2003-08-05 06:53:21 PM
jackycane

15-22? No one has a problem with that?
Might want to check with the prosecutors in your state.
 
2003-08-05 06:53:50 PM

What the hell is in the water that's giving 13 year olds C cups?

It's in the milk, it's growth hormones for milking cows that accelerates them to an early milk-giving... it passes through the milk to the girls, of course.
^-- Not a PETA fascist.
Meg, how did you say you got these tickets?
 
2003-08-05 07:02:55 PM
Wow, I suppose milk really does do a body good. =)

Mmmmm boobies.

 
2003-08-05 07:05:56 PM
I'm 15 and my love is 22. No one that knows us personally has any problems,

If your parents know, they should be arrested.
 
2003-08-05 07:13:36 PM
ShoeNut, I couldn't agree more.
 
2003-08-05 07:18:10 PM
I'm 15 and my love is 22. No one that knows us personally has any problems,

That's great, really. However, I notice from your profile that you live in Washington state, where the age of consent is 16. Did you get your boyfriend's permission to broadcast the fact that he's a statutory rapist on a widely-viewed Web site? I know you didn't get our (the Fark audience) permission before making us accessories to the crime.

Farkers, does anyone know what our responsibility would be in a case like this? Are we required to notify the government ourselves, or can we just wait and see if the State of Washington picks up on it?

jackycane, now would be a good time for you to say something like, "Of course, I was just joking about being 15."
 
2003-08-05 07:28:02 PM
My cousin will be turning 12 in about a month. To my mind she still looks and act very much like - and is - a young girl. She's not even into her teens and has a flat chest for frig's sake. Yet a guy like this might be eyeing her up already, maybe daring to make a move in a year or so's time. Gives me a mental shudder.

Especially when I remember the passing, but far from nonexistant curiosity me and my friends (i can only really speak from the male perspective, but the girls didn't seem too far down the other end of the spectrum) had with our budding sexual knowledge, and in a few, physical characteristics and drives. Without enough warnings and education against it, her own curiosity could quite easily make her go with him quite happily. :-/

and do we think this young mother had much in the way of education to that extent? :)

/goes off to do a genetic study to investigate the likelihood of the "horny" and "trash" genes having some kind of segregation linkage.. ie you're likely to inherit both, or neither - one but not the other is rare.
 
2003-08-05 07:33:04 PM
(just to the addendum - that was sparked because she, her sister, and my aunt, came by earlier on foot and bike, just to drop in some borrowed things, and there was barely any shred of adult maturity present. still very clearly a kid and not a sexual being at all... just riding around, being a noisy nuisance, interrupting important things and getting in the way*... where do they get it from, these guys?)

* yeah i guess much like many older teen girls, but without the adult restraint on such things which can be wrought with age and the request to stop, or the figure, boobies, height, etc.
 
2003-08-05 07:42:02 PM
I fell asleep on the couch last night. Woke up to a Springer episode where the boyfriend was mildly annoyed that his girlfriend was having sex with an orange traffic cone thingy. Very entertaining.


jackycane:

Please let us know when you'll be appearing on the show.
 
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2003-08-05 07:49:46 PM
Brotherlove

great points. I'll go one further. Her boyfriend is in the military.

ART. 120. RAPE AND CARNAL KNOWLEDGE
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who commits an act of sexual intercourse with a female not his wife,
by force and without consent, is guilty of rape and shall be punished by death or such other punishment as
a court-martial may direct.
(b) Any person subject to this chapter who, under circumstances not amounting to rape, commits an act of
sexual intercourse with a female not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years, is guilty of
carnal knowledge and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
(c) Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete either of these offenses


Way to go jackycane!
 
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2003-08-05 07:51:45 PM
Article 134 - Carnal knowledge is a violation of this article. Indecent acts or liberties with a person under the age of 16. The punishment for Carnal knowledge is a dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade, and confinement for 15 years."
 
2003-08-05 08:05:29 PM
Loserguy I don't know where you live, but most statutory rape laws are written in such a manner that people within a year or two of age of eachother are not included, whether or not one is below the age of consent.
 
2003-08-05 08:30:31 PM
Nice going jackycane....or rather jackycane's b/f.

You just got yourself busted on multiple counts in the UCMJ AND Civilian law. Double Jeopardy you say? Shame it doesn't apply to those in the military.

And believe me....we do prosecute this shiat. So I suggest you either 1) end it (preferred) or 2) tell him to stfu about it or 3) you stfu about it....or 4) keep talking and watch 'your love' enjoy a nice sentence in Ft Levenworth, KS.

/military farker who has to deal with this shiat.
 
2003-08-05 08:49:03 PM
Bah! Leave jackycane alone. I'd like to point out that she said they have "a relationship", not necessarily that they're farking. So no need to get all melodramatic about Farkers becoming accessories to statutory rape, even if it wasn't completely serious.

I myself have no problem with a 15 year old farking a 22 year old. What's the big deal? If she was dating a 17-18 year old, would it be different? Theoretically, couldn't jackycane and her college boy soldier share an emotional maturity equivalent to 18 year olds?

I think there should be a law so that guys that are clearly much more mature than teenage girls can't pick them up and take advantage of them because they don't know any better. I think 18's pushing it a bit, though. I'd say they should bring it down to 15-16, but I think that any two people can be together and that you can't really make a blanket statement that anyone farking a 15 year old is a pervert. I know some 15 year olds that are more mature than most 20 year olds. I know some 20 year olds that are less mature than most 15 year olds. Does farking them constitute rape?

My final gripe with this thread: Why is this guy a dumbass for admitting on TV he knocked up a 14 year old 9 years ago? You ever seen a prostitution/drug documentary? Do they need all Dumbass tags b/c now the police are hot on their trail? Is every public figure that has admitted to drug use in their past a "Dumbass"?
 
2003-08-05 08:57:53 PM
I know some 15 year olds that are more mature than most 20 year olds. I know some 20 year olds that are less mature than most 15 year olds. Does farking them constitute rape?

BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh thats rich. A "mature" 15 yr old girl. RIGHT. That must be why 99.99% of the girls I've talked to (all over the place..bars, beaches, work, etc..) make my brain bleed during a simple conversation - and some of these were "smart" girls. Simple conversation is often like pulling teeth. I'm sorry, but a 15-yr-old has neither the intellectual capacity nor the education to be "mature."

I think you just know too many immature 20 yr olds. Not the other way around.

man...thanks for the laugh.
 
2003-08-05 08:57:59 PM
" the_leviathan
My cousin was on Springer several years ago"


I don't believe I would have told that one.
 
2003-08-05 08:58:44 PM
+ "under 20 yr old" in the above statement

otherwise it sounds like im an elitist asshole ;)
 
2003-08-05 09:00:48 PM
The question is not whether the girlfriend in the 15/17 y.o. relationship would prosecute - the case is not brought by the female partner, and often goes ahead against their wishes. Hence, statutory rape being rape basically on the papers - if it meets the legislative criteria, she can cry all she wants about how it was really true love, but it's not at all relevant to the prosecution of the offence.
 
2003-08-05 09:02:35 PM
Ah...arranged marriage.
I've heard of situations where the couple grew to love each other with time, or had grown up together and always been allowed to be friends, that's ok, but it crosses the line, at least to me, when it's one of these:

1. A really young person and a really old person
2. A marriage to alleviate poverty of the bride's family(BAD situation, sometimes the girl kills herself)
3. Either of the people being under 18. What does a person know about life, marriage, anything, at that age?
4. When the people obviously hate each other and show signs of abuse.

I know that sometimes the arranged marriage thing does work, and that's fine, but there are so many ways it can go wrong, that I don't think it should be legal anymore.
 
2003-08-05 09:03:16 PM
Don't all 15 year old girls think they are mature?
 
2003-08-05 09:03:42 PM
Yes, I'm sorry kabar your extensive personal experience in the area has just proven to me beyond a doubt that there exist no 15 year olds in the world with the maturity level of an 18 year old. Furthermore, none exist that have the maturity to make the decision to have sex, with anyone because they bore you in conversation. So glad you cleared that up for me.

/sarcasmic
 
2003-08-05 09:09:49 PM
Did you get your boyfriend's permission to broadcast the fact that he's a statutory rapist on a widely-viewed Web site? I know you didn't get our (the Fark audience) permission before making us accessories to the crime.



Hrumph...how did I end up as accessory of the crime?! Well, if it's going to be the case, I at least demand a videotape of the crime...

Wait...she's cute, right?
 
2003-08-05 09:11:05 PM
Let's just make it illegal to have sex, period.
Obviously people are too stupid to handle the responsibility.
 
2003-08-05 09:14:36 PM
You mean it isn't already? Aw hell, that takes half the fun out of it
 
2003-08-05 09:16:29 PM
Mike, be sarcastic all you want. It's true though. NO 15 year old has the intellectual capacity or the education to be mature. Common sense is lacking too. In short any 'mature' 15 year old, is a self-proclaimed one. Don't buy into the bullshiat, if someone over 21 is dating a 15 year old they must be a freaking retard, or a pervert.
 
2003-08-05 09:27:40 PM
mike2834 should grow up.

And, also, a law like you suggested would never ever work. Too many technicalities. Duh.
 
2003-08-05 09:29:32 PM
MorganSloat, if you want to argue to me that too many 15 year olds lack the maturity to make the decision to have sex, and therefore the law is justified, fine. But are you kidding me telling me that out of the millions of girls that are 15, none are mature enough to make the decision to have sex? You don't think you can talk to any women that had sex before they were 16 and don't regret it and would have made the same decision for the same reasons years later?

Why does a teenager need so much education and emotional maturity to make the decision to have sex? As long as she uses protection, is it really that harmful a mistake to make? A girl has sex, years later regrets it and wishes she'd saved herself for someone special. Worse things have happened.
 
2003-08-05 09:32:30 PM
Bah! Leave jackycane alone. I'd like to point out that she said they have "a relationship", not necessarily that they're farking.

If you seriously believe these two aren't sleeping together, then you're more naive than our friend jackycane. But let's, for the sake of argument, say you're right and they're not having sex. Then (1) he's screwing someone else because he's 22 and horny as a toad (god bless younger men!), in which case she should dump him and lessen her chances of catching some disease or he gets someone pregnant (heaven knows he's not smart enough to use protection); or (2) they're the most abnormal couple of young lovers on this planet because there's no other reason a 22-year-old man is the "love" of a 15-year-old girl. I doubt it's religion holding them back because they wouldn't be involved in the first place. Well, unless they're Mormons, which jackycane didn't mention. Are you Mormons? Nah, didn't think so.
 
2003-08-05 09:33:50 PM
mike2834 should grow up.

And, also, a law like you suggested would never ever work. Too many technicalities. Duh.


Keelin, was the law part directed at me? I just said that the age of consent should be lowered a year or two. I don't see how that creates an environment for any more "technicalities" than there would be with the age of consent where it is now... Did I misunderstand or did you? Also, in what way do I need to "grow up"?
 
2003-08-05 09:44:54 PM
If you seriously believe these two aren't sleeping together, then you're more naive than our friend jackycane. But let's, for the sake of argument, say you're right and they're not having sex. Then (1) he's screwing someone else because he's 22 and horny as a toad (god bless younger men!), in which case she should dump him and lessen her chances of catching some disease or he gets someone pregnant (heaven knows he's not smart enough to use protection); or (2) they're the most abnormal couple of young lovers on this planet because there's no other reason a 22-year-old man is the "love" of a 15-year-old girl. I doubt it's religion holding them back because they wouldn't be involved in the first place. Well, unless they're Mormons, which jackycane didn't mention. Are you Mormons? Nah, didn't think so.

(1) I never said they weren't sleeping together, I said that she didn't say they're sleeping together so there's no need to start calling him a rapist and farkers accessories to the crime. (2) I'm loving how speculations are immediately becoming circumstances we pretend are real and are open to attack. Suddenly her boyfriend is now an STD-laden cheater because people that fark minors are too stupid to use condoms? Why is it that no 15 year olds can make the decision to have sex, but all 18 year olds can fark whoever they please as long as they aren't fossils. Is there some secret enlightening experience that matures all girls when they hit 17-18 that I don't know about? As I said before, girls younger than 15-16 having sex is a tricky issue, but I'm merely saying that it's conceivable that some younger girls are mature enough to make those kinds of decisions and the chances of her having the maturity to make those decisions increase with her age.
 
2003-08-05 09:45:46 PM
I'll give him that she probably made his cock look bigger than it actually is.
 
2003-08-05 09:47:58 PM
Mike, I'm not going to argue with you. You're obviously too thick headed to listen to reason. Besides that I never said they weren't old enough to decide to have sex. They can have sex if they want to. My arguement is that they shouldn't be having sex with someone who is 22. Are you stupid or did you just skip over the point I was trying to make? Never the less, I am talking about perverts dating imature 15 year olds. Not trying to debate wether they are old enough to have sex. Nub.
 
2003-08-05 09:49:06 PM
I guess that when a girl turns 16, there's this mystical infusion of knowledge and wisdom that occurs that gives this girl all this extra qualification to bone that she didn't have the day previoiusly, when she was 15. Kind of like that mystical infusion that allows people to go off and get killed or vote at 18, or booze it up at 21.

I realize you have to draw the line somewhere, but different people, different situations.
 
2003-08-05 09:57:04 PM
Mike, I'm not going to argue with you. You're obviously too thick headed to listen to reason. Besides that I never said they weren't old enough to decide to have sex. They can have sex if they want to. My arguement is that they shouldn't be having sex with someone who is 22. Are you stupid or did you just skip over the point I was trying to make? Never the less, I am talking about perverts dating imature 15 year olds. Not trying to debate wether they are old enough to have sex. Nub.

Maybe I'm just deaf to reason, because to tell you the truth, I'm not hearing any, with the exception of "Oooh, that's icky, 15 yr olds and 22 yr olds can't date." Can someone please give me a valid reason why they shouldn't date, i.e. explain to me who is victimized and how.
 
2003-08-05 10:07:14 PM
Actually, let me clarify that. I already know who can be victimized by sex when one partner lacks the capacity to make the decision. What I actually want to know is how someone is automatically victimized when a 15 and 22 yr old hook up. My argument is not that everyone's ready for sex with anyone at any stage in their maturity, but rather that the farkers on this thread are unfairly generalizing people in these situations and going as far as saying that everyone who does this fits a certain stereotype (e.g. no 15 year olds are emotionally mature to decide to have sex / have sex with an older guy, all older guys that have sex with younger girls are pervert/idiot rapists and need to be castrated).
 
2003-08-05 10:09:39 PM
incredibly dumb guy.
 
2003-08-05 10:38:55 PM
See Mike, that's the problem you can't find the reason that someone who's 22 or over doinking someone who is 15 or younger is wrong. To each their own, but if you would fark a 15 year old (granted yer over 21) you have some head issues. Enough said. I'm not going to draw out in crayon why it's wrong for you either.
 
2003-08-05 10:49:27 PM
Mike2834 is wrong.

MorganSloat = teh Winnar!!

:)
 
2003-08-05 11:03:20 PM
Yes, MorganSloat, I have head issues because I've chosen to question what society has us blindly accepting without stopping to ask who the real victim is. People say the same thing about homosexuals; that it's wrong, and you've got to be "perverted" to sleep with members of the same sex. It seems the logic is the same here. Nobody can think of a real reason why it's wrong aside from, "Eeew, icky!" And HolyGeekBoy I think your declaration of teh winner is a bit premature. Let's wait till real counterarguments are offered besides "because it just is wrong". Or maybe you were being sarcasmic... in that case, good call.
 
2003-08-05 11:10:04 PM
I must be the only on that caught on but if you read the NBC10 (Phila.) article about same subject. It says "When Cape May County prosecutors watched the show on tape after being given a tip, they listened as Alexander and his 22-year-old girlfriend, Rita Koelle (pictured, right), spoke of their 7-year-old child, one of Koelle's FIVE children. Sounds like there is a good chance some one else is up for some jail time also. Just a group of loosers if you ask me.
I will have to say though that I hardly see the point in putting him in jail.
 
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