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(Yahoo)   Idaho legislature declares a "disaster emergency" over: a) a late season blizzard? b) a massive series of tornadoes? c) The fact that there are wolves in their state and they are eating their natural and intended prey   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2011-04-06 01:29:12 PM  
RIP Gerald Ford.
 
2011-04-06 02:03:44 PM  
If only there were an overpopulation of an animal that wolves find tasty...
 
2011-04-06 02:55:10 PM  

Saborlas: If only there were an overpopulation of an animal that wolves find tasty...


There are a few states that could use apex predators again.
 
2011-04-06 03:58:46 PM  
Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf
 
2011-04-06 04:04:11 PM  
Is there a timewarp into the 19th century in Idaho?
 
2011-04-06 04:06:23 PM  
the stupidity of and lame attempts to circumvent federal laws by the idaho legislature have reached a state of emergency. i propose with arrest all these idiots and feed them to wolves.
 
2011-04-06 04:06:31 PM  
Won't anyone think of the children?
 
2011-04-06 04:06:46 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: There are a few states that could use apex predators again.


Unfortunately for the rest of us, wolves generally don't eat Idaho politicians.
 
2011-04-06 04:07:01 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: Saborlas: If only there were an overpopulation of an animal that wolves find tasty...

There are a few states that could use apex predators again.



Not just a few states. Mankind needs a predator. Keep us on our toes, you know?
 
2011-04-06 04:07:30 PM  

xanadian: Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf


You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm guessing you're urban, not rural.
 
2011-04-06 04:08:05 PM  
Send some of the extra wolves to Connecticut, please.

We could do with some help with our deer.
 
2011-04-06 04:09:18 PM  
Won't someone think of the potatoes?!
 
2011-04-06 04:10:22 PM  
Well, if we could hunt the wolves this wouldn't be an issue, but some jackass enviros got a judge to stop the legal wolf hunts. So now the wolves are chewing through game animals that Idaho needs for it's hunting-tourism industry.
 
2011-04-06 04:12:00 PM  

Carousel Beast: xanadian: Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf

You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm guessing you're urban, not rural.


I can think of at least six breeds of dog designed to do nothing but guard cattle. The 12th Century Idaho, welcome to it.

/been to Idaho, the 12th century is a step up
 
2011-04-06 04:13:10 PM  
fta Idaho and Montana have argued that wolf numbers far exceed the number required to ensure the survival of the species and that licensed hunting is needed to control an animal preying on cattle, sheep and game favored by hunters.

So the hunters want to kill the wolves because the wolves are killing the animals the hunters want to kill.

You'd think hunters would know that thriving top predator population is a sign of a healthy ecosystem. But in Idaho and Montana you'd be wrong.
 
2011-04-06 04:13:33 PM  

Carousel Beast: xanadian: Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf

You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm guessing you're urban, not rural.


Fortunately, you're already permitted to kill a wolf that is attacking your animals.
 
2011-04-06 04:13:37 PM  
Arh I meant to put that under jigger's comment
 
2011-04-06 04:13:46 PM  

cgraves67: Well, if we could hunt the wolves this wouldn't be an issue, but some jackass enviros got a judge to stop the legal wolf hunts. So now the wolves are chewing through game animals that Idaho needs for it's hunting-tourism industry.


I say we allow legal wolf hunts.

But you have to hunt them like wolves; you have to bring them down with your teeth.
 
2011-04-06 04:14:45 PM  
This is utterly shoc-- oh wait, no it isn't. I live out here, it's not shocking at all.

Wolves are supposed to eat elk. But if the fat-ass hunters can't tool around all day on their ATVs and blast an elk during hunting season, it's the wolves fault. THAT'S RIGHT, it's because of those farking wolves.
 
2011-04-06 04:15:08 PM  
You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm rural and I think this is a load of scat. The number of wolf attacks on livestock is low. Lower than the number of cattle shot by hunters every year. This is really an attempt to keep wolves from damaging the "game animal population" that wolves normally prey upon. The same animals that people make big bucks selling hunts on. 800 wolves is a drop in the bucket as to the original population. The comment that the wolves are going to strip the area clean of game animals is laughable. Oddly enough I don't remember explorers coming into the area now occupied by Idaho and finding it wiped clean of game by the wolf population.
 
2011-04-06 04:15:14 PM  

Carousel Beast: xanadian: Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf

You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm guessing you're urban, not rural.


there are 5000
yes FIVE THOUSANDS
wolves in JUST the arrowhead of minnesota (fully shaded area)

upload.wikimedia.org

5000 wolves over 10,635.26 sq mi = .47 wolves per sq mile

on the other hand..
800 wolves in Idaho

upload.wikimedia.org

800 over 83,570 sq mi = 0.0095 wolves per sq mile
 
2011-04-06 04:16:03 PM  
Send them to Michigan. I'll take them. I doubt they'll disrupt the corn farmers that much but they'll thin out the deer and coyotes which I support 100%.

/used to own a husky-wolf hybrid, that dog was damn smart
//also royally farked up an akita that took a run at me when I was a kid
 
2011-04-06 04:16:26 PM  

whither_apophis: Carousel Beast: xanadian: Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf

You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm guessing you're urban, not rural.

I can think of at least six breeds of dog designed to do nothing but guard cattle. The 12th Century Idaho, welcome to it.

/been to Idaho, the 12th century is a step up


Unfortunately, those dogs don't hunt in packs of 6 - 10, and don't have the savagery and instinct to take down that many wolves at once.

It's coyotes around here, but you're allowed to shoot them about all you want.
 
2011-04-06 04:16:41 PM  

cgraves67: Well, if we could hunt the wolves this wouldn't be an issue, but some jackass enviros got a judge to stop the legal wolf hunts. So now the wolves are chewing through game animals that Idaho needs for it's hunting-tourism industry.


Yep. Wildlife departments are one of the few departments that actually make the state money. Take away that revenue and watch how fast "predator regulation" comes into play.
 
2011-04-06 04:17:18 PM  
This Otter fellow believes wolves should be under state jurisdiction does he?

What about wolves that live along the border in neighboring states, but are shot in his state?

Does Idaho have jurisdiction over those wolves?

I'd allow restricted hunting of the wolves shown to be a danger to human populations; as we already have a compensation fund for livestock losses.

Just make it a $5,000 application fee to a lottery, and limited to ground based hunts only of the problem pack or animal. No helicopter sniping of the animals.
 
2011-04-06 04:17:20 PM  
Yeah, it's the wolves that are the danger to the elk populations. Wolves, which kill predominantly calves and senescent females, as opposed to hunters, which largely focus on reproductively viable females.

But I'm glad we have our knowledgeable legislators making informed decisions for us regarding wildlife management.

/just checked out Eberhardt et al. 2007 for an overview on elk/wolf/hunter dynamics. Worth reading if you're interested in this sort of thing.
 
2011-04-06 04:17:26 PM  

cgraves67: Well, if we could hunt the wolves this wouldn't be an issue, but some jackass enviros got a judge to stop the legal wolf hunts. So now the wolves are chewing through game animals that Idaho needs for it's hunting-tourism industry.


If Idaho needs to increase tourism, they should remove the stigma of being the Retard State.

You could start by re-focusing tourism on wolf tourism rather than shoot-a-stupid-deer tourism. If you really hate the "enviros", you should wise up and start fleecing them like the rest of us do.
 
2011-04-06 04:17:59 PM  
They're pulling the same crap here in Montana. I have bears in my backyard and am doing just fine, but Rancher Pete can't have any adversity with owning a herd of cattle. Then, they don't want the bison to roam because of brucellosis, which cattle were originally responsible for, so the wolves prey on elk and cattle rather than letting the bison herd expand. Freakin' pansies out here.
 
2011-04-06 04:18:25 PM  
The measure outlines an emergency as a point in time in which the state has more than 100 gray wolves.

Wow. You're f*cked up, Idaho.
 
2011-04-06 04:18:43 PM  
cgraves67: So now the wolves are chewing through game animals that Idaho needs for it's hunting-tourism industry.

So in other words, the ecosystem is trying to get back in balance.

DAMN ECOSYSTEM TAKING OUR JOBS!
 
2011-04-06 04:18:56 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Dr.Knockboots: Saborlas: If only there were an overpopulation of an animal that wolves find tasty...

There are a few states that could use apex predators again.


Not just a few states. Mankind needs a predator. Keep us on our toes, you know?


I volunteer.

/ My idea of fun is of a predatory nature.
 
2011-04-06 04:19:14 PM  
As Mexican living here in Idaho, do not, I repeat, DO NOT misunderestimate the derp that this state exports. I'm surprised this farked up state doesn't make the news more often.
 
2011-04-06 04:20:34 PM  

Kazan: 5000 wolves over 10,635.26 sq mi = .47 wolves per sq mile
on the other hand..
800 wolves in Idaho
upload.wikimedia.org
800 over 83,570 sq mi = 0.0095 wolves per sq mile


...and *zero* wolves in my back yard. That's right, wolves are extinct -- in my back yard.

Seriously though, what is the minimum geographical size that constitutes an independent population? Wolves aren't endangered in general, but the population certainly is not uniformly distributed. How big of an area must be "wolf-less" for it to be a concern? 1 sq mile? 10 sq miles? 1000 sq miles? Any given point on Earth is almost certainly wolf-free at any given time.
 
2011-04-06 04:22:24 PM  

Carousel Beast: xanadian: Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf

You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm guessing you're urban, not rural.


If Coyote are taking cattle, then the farmer needs to invest in a few decent sized sheep dogs or a Llama or 5 problem solved. Protecting cattle from wolves might be more difficult and might involve that age-old job creating solution of hiring an actual shepherd (why do you think that King David was such a crack shot with that sling?). Not to mention that ranchers are completely indemnified for any livestock taken by wolves by both the Sierra Club and the Federal government.

The real complaint here seems to be that they are thinning the elk herds (the job they were bred to do by millions of years of evolution) and the humans in Idaho seem to believe they've got a God-given right to hunt them instead.
 
2011-04-06 04:23:22 PM  
I don't get it. They want to kill wolves so they can kill animals? Is that the argument? Seriously?
 
2011-04-06 04:23:51 PM  

quietwalker: Raug the Dwarf: Dr.Knockboots: Saborlas: If only there were an overpopulation of an animal that wolves find tasty...

There are a few states that could use apex predators again.


Not just a few states. Mankind needs a predator. Keep us on our toes, you know?

I volunteer.

/ My idea of fun is of a predatory nature.



But that's no fun. I meant like a dinosaur or some kind of weird alien animal.
 
2011-04-06 04:24:10 PM  

Kazan: Carousel Beast: xanadian: Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf

You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm guessing you're urban, not rural.

there are 5000
yes FIVE THOUSANDS
wolves in JUST the arrowhead of minnesota (fully shaded area)


That's as many as five hundred tens!
And that's TERRIBLE!
 
2011-04-06 04:24:18 PM  
"If we don't take care of this problem soon, we won't have any wildlife to hunt or to look at," Denney said.

Yes, because prior to humans arriving to control the population, the entire area was a desolate wasteland empty of all life except wolves.
 
2011-04-06 04:25:00 PM  
Won't somebody please think of the elk?
 
2011-04-06 04:25:54 PM  
Boy, did Carousel Beast hook the lot of you guys.
 
2011-04-06 04:26:36 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: whither_apophis: Carousel Beast: xanadian: Eight HUNDRED wolves!?? Oh, the humanity. :-/

/seriously, wtf

You've obviously never seen the kind of havoc a small (less than a dozen member) pack of coyotes can do to herds of cattle. Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter - I imagine they can cause quite a stir.

I'm guessing you're urban, not rural.

I can think of at least six breeds of dog designed to do nothing but guard cattle. The 12th Century Idaho, welcome to it.

/been to Idaho, the 12th century is a step up

Unfortunately, those dogs don't hunt in packs of 6 - 10, and don't have the savagery and instinct to take down that many wolves at once.

It's coyotes around here, but you're allowed to shoot them about all you want.


All they got to do is bark up a shiat storm and rancher comes a running.
 
2011-04-06 04:27:29 PM  

Saborlas: If only there were an overpopulation of an animal that wolves find tasty...


If only there were an overpopulation of an animal that finds wolves tasty...
 
2011-04-06 04:27:35 PM  

tiamet4: "If we don't take care of this problem soon, we won't have any wildlife to hunt or to look at," Denney said.

Yes, because prior to humans arriving to control the population, the entire area was a desolate wasteland empty of all life except wolves.


Well, it would have been if we hadn't have thoughtfully blasted all the game animals to hell during manifest destiny. It would have been vampires and wolves everywhere. And not the sensitive, emo type ones in Ann Rice and tween novels, either.
 
2011-04-06 04:27:40 PM  

baka-san: So in other words, the ecosystem is trying to get back in balance.


The wolves that were reintroduced were never part of our ecosystem. Canadian Grey Wolves were reintroduced. They are much larger and more aggressive than the native wolves.

Here's an article (new window) that breaks down differences between the species.

There is a huge difference. If they had reintroduced native wolves, we probably wouldn't be having so many problems with them.
 
2011-04-06 04:28:17 PM  
I'm sure if it were left up to these assholes the only animals you'd be able to see in the wild would be

thepublicinterest.freedomblogging.com
 
2011-04-06 04:29:44 PM  
I'm feeling the need for an Idaho tag, anyone else?
 
2011-04-06 04:31:44 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Mankind needs a predator. Keep us on our toes, you know?


Legally blind female senior citizen in a Cadillac isn't enough of a challenge?
 
2011-04-06 04:32:47 PM  

CitizenTed: cgraves67: Well, if we could hunt the wolves this wouldn't be an issue, but some jackass enviros got a judge to stop the legal wolf hunts. So now the wolves are chewing through game animals that Idaho needs for it's hunting-tourism industry.

If Idaho needs to increase tourism, they should remove the stigma of being the Retard State.

You could start by re-focusing tourism on wolf tourism rather than shoot-a-stupid-deer tourism. If you really hate the "enviros", you should wise up and start fleecing them like the rest of us do.


^ THIS
 
2011-04-06 04:35:11 PM  

Saborlas: If only there were an overpopulation of an animal that wolves find tasty...


Like Republicans, for instance.
 
2011-04-06 04:36:18 PM  

roybatty2010: I'm feeling the need for an Idaho tag, anyone else?


I farking HATE Idaho!

Everyday you can see thousands of cars flooding across the border into Washington to take our jobs. They don't pay any kind of taxes towards our state but take our jobs and use our roads. Its our versions of mexicans
 
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