3 x not much = not that much more

/ have iPhone. Hate AT&T coverage and iTunes.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: //God but I hate Apple

Hating a company or product because of the acts of those who like it is a pretty stupid thing to do, IMHO. You don't see me hating on Linux because RMS and crew drool incessantly about freedom this and open source that.

TsukasaK: Adolf Oliver Nipples: //God but I hate Apple

Hating a company or product because of the acts of those who like it is a pretty stupid thing to do, IMHO. You don't see me hating on Linux because RMS and crew drool incessantly about freedom this and open source that.

I do, but I'm an asshole with no patience for idiots. If paying MS and Apple and Google gobs of money to produce products this nice, I am 100% A-OK with it. They are constantly outdoing themselves, and each other. There are lots of other companies in the mix too, IBM, Oracle, etc..

They ALL do bad things. Every single one of them! If you hated companies based on a) the people who use their products b) shrewd and/or illegal business moves they have made, you would have to be completely ascetic. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Well, duhhhhhhhh.

Funny thing is... still drops calls. Sounds like an engineering issue.

TsukasaK: Adolf Oliver Nipples: //God but I hate Apple

Hating a company or product because of the acts of those who like it is a pretty stupid thing to do, IMHO.

To be fair, Apple doesn't seem to do anything to discourage that elitist attitude. Their "It just works" and "I'm a Mac" commercials seem to do little more than highlight the superiority of the system.

Humorously, in the last three years I've had five friends replace their macs on account of them just deciding not to turn on anymore. Meanwhile my off-the-shelf Gateway PC seems to be working rather nicely.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: //God but I hate Apple and its band of cultists

I can at least understand fanbois (my family is obsessed with cars). What I don't understand is the motivation from the hatebois. Why do you care so much that you have to lash out so strongly? Having problems at home? Not measuring up in bed? Jobs personally fark'd you when you were 11 years old?

/please share

Squirminator2k: TsukasaK: Adolf Oliver Nipples: //God but I hate Apple

Hating a company or product because of the acts of those who like it is a pretty stupid thing to do, IMHO.

To be fair, Apple doesn't seem to do anything to discourage that elitist attitude. Their "It just works" and "I'm a Mac" commercials seem to do little more than highlight the superiority of the system.

Humorously, in the last three years I've had five friends replace their macs on account of them just deciding not to turn on anymore. Meanwhile my off-the-shelf Gateway PC seems to be working rather nicely.

Well yeah but isn't all advertising designed to demonstrate your product or service's superiority compared to your competitors? I guess you can hate Apple for being good at it. I used to work applecare and I didn't really pick up too much elitism though. Maybe because at that point they had to accept if they're calling me for tech support, Macs aren't perfect. There were jerk customers but you deal with that at any job.

I guess I just don't know any really hardcore mac-heads. I've never met anyone who is obsessed with their superiority and buys exclusively mac products. Your experience differs. They're on the internet sure, but you get a lot of fringe loonies round these parts.

Squirminator2k: Humorously, in the last three years I've had five friends replace their macs on account of them just deciding not to turn on anymore. Meanwhile my off-the-shelf Gateway PC seems to be working rather nicely.

My boyfriends dell stopped turning on one day. This is after it stopped connecting to the wireless on any consistent fashion and the screen started flickering.

What does that tell us? Absolutely farking nothing. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

/bought him an iMac 18 months ago
//runs like a champ and zero support requirements from me
///still is no proof of anything

Has anyone else noticed a huge depreciation in Verizon's 3g speed in the past couple months? I am in a major metropolitan area, and it is terrible.

The Angry Hand of God: Has anyone else noticed a huge depreciation in Verizon's 3g speed in the past couple months? I am in a major metropolitan area, and it is terrible.

Nope, but I would consider all the USB wireless adapters that VZW sold, Android users "generally" use more data than iPhone (wi-fi hotspots).
Could just be local.

Do guys want to know how I live without a cell phone despite working for verizon, AT&T, and T-mobile?

EASILY

fisker: Do guys want to know how I live without a cell phone despite working for verizon, AT&T, and T-mobile?

EASILY

Do you want to know why nobody is impressed you don't have a cell phone?

Syllabic: fisker: Do guys want to know how I live without a cell phone despite working for verizon, AT&T, and T-mobile?

EASILY

Do you want to know why nobody is impressed you don't have a cell phone?

Yes, because I am sure it is far less impressive than owning one.

For everybody who says 'this clearly shows that ATT is the problem', you have to realize that the Verizon phone has an entirely different radio in it. The radio is the crappy part about the phone. Of course if it has a different radio you may see different results.

I get calls every day about how a customer switched to the iPhone and just now they are getting a lot of dropped calls. Sometimes it's legitimately because they live in an area where the 3G service kinda sucks compared to the 2G service. Most of the time all the other 3G phones are working just fine in the area.

You can only get so many people telling your their iPhone gets worse reception in the same area as everybody else with the same provider before you wonder what's going on with the phone.

Ah, to have someone to talk with.

Seriously, I make like 5 phone calls a month on my iPhone. The rest of the time I'm using it as an HID compliant device to access databases with.

fisker: Syllabic: fisker: Do guys want to know how I live without a cell phone despite working for verizon, AT&T, and T-mobile?

EASILY

Do you want to know why nobody is impressed you don't have a cell phone?

Yes, because I am sure it is far less impressive than owning one.

Cause nobody cares, hippie.

Syllabic: Cause nobody cares, hippie.

So do you want to talk about it or not? because I can't tell.

Every hippie I know owns a cell phone, including the ones that live in school buses.

Its not the phone, its the network(s). I have an iphone in Europe and have never dropped a call. And this is while on my home network and roaming on other EU networks. Its easy to hate on Apple, but not the American telecoms who havent upgraded their networks as fast as smart phone technology has progressed.

fisker: Syllabic: fisker: Do guys want to know how I live without a cell phone despite working for verizon, AT&T, and T-mobile?

EASILY

Do you want to know why nobody is impressed you don't have a cell phone?

Yes, because I am sure it is far less impressive than owning one.

Ya see that's the thing dude. If you try to avoid the war by not participating then it doesn't make you cool.

/Here's your white feather.
//Couldn't give a crap about phones either.

fisker: Do guys want to know how I live without a cell phone despite working for verizon, AT&T, and T-mobile?

EASILY

Because nobody wants to talk to you?

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fisker: Do guys want to know how I live without a cell phone despite working for verizon, AT&T, and T-mobile?

EASILY

The silver lining of the undesirable. Congrats!

sarah_t_s: Ya see that's the thing dude. If you try to avoid the war by not participating then it doesn't make you cool.

So, in that war, what would the equivalent rank of a 'lead technician' or a 'supervisor' be for 2 of 3 of those companies?

Would it be considered some sort of participation? Or do I have to currently own a cell phone.

It's the phone, the network, the sim card, the ESN, the firmware, has your phone been updated, are you in an area that recently upgraded to 4G, are you latching onto some odd carrier's towers, (more network issues), some phones don't work properly out of the box. It's more than just the phone or network.

Verizon not only has the best networks (in the US) but they have the best customer service, I guarantee that is one of the main reasons they have less issues.

But the hard truth is that moronic people tend to buy cell phones from AT&T and T-mobile because they think they are saving money by buying phones from china, and unlocking them to use in the States. These companies have the hardest time dealing with their customers because the majority of them tend to have less than an 8th grade level education. Takes longer to resolve issues, resulting in larger overhead.

Same can be said for Verizon to an extent, but not nearly as bad.

fisker: sarah_t_s: Ya see that's the thing dude. If you try to avoid the war by not participating then it doesn't make you cool.

So, in that war, what would the equivalent rank of a 'lead technician' or a 'supervisor' be for 2 of 3 of those companies?

Disposable cannon fodder. Same as a sys-admin in the PC wars.

fisker:Would it be considered some sort of participation? Or do I have to currently own a cell phone.
You have to have a cell phone.

sarah_t_s: You have to have a cell phone.

I don't own the cell phone, the cell phone own me.

'we didn't land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on us.'

What's a cell phone? I have a hand-held computer that I use to read e-mail, browse the web, get messages, talk to people, listen to music and 'podcasts' (shudder), take notes, get driving directions and traffic, get the time and weather, play games ... oh I guess it has a 'phone' app too.

/Seriously, just a matter of time

CAPITALISM: is there anything it can't do?

I MAY have had one or two dropped calls with my AT&T iPhone 3GS. This is over an 18 month period. I really can't remember. I am in N. Florida.

Anyone under 30 use their cell phone to make actual phone calls any more? Seems like everything is done through text messages and social networking sites.

HotSalsaZoot: At&t sucks. Always has, always will. Crooks and liars.

Done

Thats funny, I have had AT&T for many years now and never had a problem. Ive had an iPhone with them for a little over a year and have never encountered the problem of dropped calls, even while out of state. I always had far less luck with dead zones with Verizon and Sprint/Nextel. I dont think the majority of people experience these problems, but enough do that their voices are heard. Sucks to be you if you have problems with the service.

I've had Verizon for about 7 years now after switching from AT&T. I just got the iPhone. It's nice and for the very few calls I make, it is perfect. I'm not an Apple drone, but the interface is easy to work with.

I've had the AT&T iPhone 4 since it came out and I finally had a dropped call yesterday. My friend said he was in a bad service area on his phone, but now I'm starting to suspect it was my phone fault.

DemoKnite: Its not the phone, its the network(s). I have an iphone in Europe and have never dropped a call. And this is while on my home network and roaming on other EU networks. Its easy to hate on Apple, but not the American telecoms who havent upgraded their networks as fast as smart phone technology has progressed.

I can confirm this.

What I still can't understand is people that pay so much and praise so much a freaking touchscreen phone. It's just for game, giggles and for people with perfect manicures.

You can't really type for SHIAT on a touchscreen, don't try to convince me otherwise. With iPhones and other dielectric screens you can't use a pen or your nails, on smaller nokias you press 5 keys with each touch.

Touchscreens are smudgy, greasy, dirty, impractical, annoying and give you no input whatsoever on what or where you're touching.

And for that, some people pay over $600.... iSheep....

tfm_copycat:
You can't really type for SHIAT on a touchscreen, don't try to convince me otherwise. With iPhones and other dielectric screens you can't use a pen or your nails, on smaller nokias you press 5 keys with each touch.

Touchscreens are smudgy, greasy, dirty, impractical, annoying and give you no input whatsoever on what or where you're touching.

And for that, some people pay over $600.... iSheep....

Lemme guess- toe thumbs?

I'm using a Pantech phone on AT&T, and I get dropped calls too.

It's part of the technology. Shiat happens. Get over it.

Jeez... Fifteen years ago, the thought of having a tiny phone that fits in my jeans pocket, takes photos, sends instant messages, and identifies callers would have been science fiction. It would have been a dream. Twenty-five years ago, my parents' house still had a phone with a circular dial, and it was permanently mounted to the wall. If I wanted to talk in privacy, I had to stretch the long-ass cord around to the living room and lower my voice.

Now, people are biatching about which brand of phone other people choose. Honestly, it's just nice to have a choice at all. In the old days, Ma Bell gave us our phones as part of the service, and that was that. If it broke, you took it to the phone company to get a replacement. It was like dealing with the cable company today.

You kiddies need some f♥cking perspective. It's absolutely ridiculous and childish to hate on someone for their choice of telephone.

Wow! Two Apple hate threads in a row. Excellent work Fark.

ZeroCorpse: I'm using a Pantech phone on AT&T, and I get dropped calls too.

It's part of the technology. Shiat happens. Get over it.

Jeez... Fifteen years ago, the thought of having a tiny phone that fits in my jeans pocket, takes photos, sends instant messages, and identifies callers would have been science fiction. It would have been a dream. Twenty-five years ago, my parents' house still had a phone with a circular dial, and it was permanently mounted to the wall. If I wanted to talk in privacy, I had to stretch the long-ass cord around to the living room and lower my voice.

Now, people are biatching about which brand of phone other people choose. Honestly, it's just nice to have a choice at all. In the old days, Ma Bell gave us our phones as part of the service, and that was that. If it broke, you took it to the phone company to get a replacement. It was like dealing with the cable company today.

You kiddies need some f♥cking perspective. It's absolutely ridiculous and childish to hate on someone for their choice of telephone.

And get off your lawn. Amirite?

ZeroCorpse: I'm using a Pantech phone on AT&T, and I get dropped calls too.

It's part of the technology. Shiat happens. Get over it.

Jeez... Fifteen years ago, the thought of having a tiny phone that fits in my jeans pocket, takes photos, sends instant messages, and identifies callers would have been science fiction. It would have been a dream. Twenty-five years ago, my parents' house still had a phone with a circular dial, and it was permanently mounted to the wall. If I wanted to talk in privacy, I had to stretch the long-ass cord around to the living room and lower my voice.

Now, people are biatching about which brand of phone other people choose. Honestly, it's just nice to have a choice at all. In the old days, Ma Bell gave us our phones as part of the service, and that was that. If it broke, you took it to the phone company to get a replacement. It was like dealing with the cable company today.

You kiddies need some f♥cking perspective. It's absolutely ridiculous and childish to hate on someone for their choice of telephone.

You sir, have made the best post about this subject to date. I think Louis C.K. had a similar thought: Everything is amazing, and nobody is happy (new window)

I'm in the "never had a dropped call" camp. Had my AT&T iPhone for a long while now and never dropped a call. And even had a few instances where I had decent signal in areas where friend's of mine did not. So I can't help but view all this AT&T bashing as just the "cool" thing to do this year.

Esroc: Had my AT&T iPhone for a long while now and never dropped a call

Whenever I see a cell phone user (of any make or model)who has had their phone for any length of time make that claim I think to myself, "Hmmm, I can't be sure of course but my impression is that this person has a loose relationship with the truth."

Nobody mentioned that the first slashy in the earliest post admitted to hardcore trolling, and he STILL got many people? Slipping, like AT&T's customer confidence!

/SO ready to go to a Droid... waiting for the new dual-core phones to start showing up

NukkenFutz: Lemme guess- toe thumbs?

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