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(Herald Tribune (SW Florida))   Trains helped build Florida into what it is today. Is that Two Tickets to Paradise or Crazy Train?   (heraldtribune.com ) divider line 69
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2011-04-04 11:05:33 AM  
Two tickets to paradise was about a train? Always thought it was a boat or plane for some reason.
 
2011-04-04 11:39:53 AM  
Not a bad place to railfan. This year I hope I can catch one of the Tropicana unit trains while I'm down there.
 
2011-04-04 11:53:20 AM  
One of the more influential trains in Florida:

www.thesportsbrewery.com
 
2011-04-04 01:12:48 PM  
the band "train" stirs feelings of hatred within me that couldn't even be matched by creed or nickelback on their worst day.
 
2011-04-04 01:18:45 PM  
I remember riding the Orange Belt as a kid, took one of the last passenger trains out of St. Pete, went out of Tampa for a trip once too.

Now you have to go all the way to Orlando. Sucks. It's cheap as hell and comfortable. Yeah, not as fast as a plane, but better than a bus.
 
2011-04-04 01:25:44 PM  

cretinbob: I remember riding the Orange Belt as a kid, took one of the last passenger trains out of St. Pete, went out of Tampa for a trip once too.

Now you have to go all the way to Orlando. Sucks. It's cheap as hell and comfortable. Yeah, not as fast as a plane, but better than a bus.


One cool they thing I rode was the auto train. Your car comes with you. Very unique experience, but it's only available from Lorton, VA (DC area) to Sanford, FL (Orlando area). It's expensive, especially if you opt for the sleeper car, and you'll be woken up in the middle of the night somewhere through Georgia by the stench of a paper mill, but it's still neat.
 
2011-04-04 02:44:19 PM  
Is that Two Tickets to Paradise or Crazy Train?

I vote for Casey Jones.
 
2011-04-04 02:46:23 PM  
\m/
 
2011-04-04 02:47:00 PM  
Monorail!
 
2011-04-04 02:48:17 PM  

Super Chronic: Is that Two Tickets to Paradise or Crazy Train?

I vote for Casey Jones.


And you know that notion just crossed my mind.
 
2011-04-04 02:48:42 PM  
Given that it is Florida, and having seen some of its residents I'd go with the Time/Life Box Car Willie plays the banjo.
 
2011-04-04 02:48:47 PM  
RAILFAN THREAD
 
2011-04-04 02:52:46 PM  

Super Chronic: Is that Two Tickets to Paradise or Crazy Train?

I vote for Casey Jones.


Meh. He was a son of a biatch,
drove his train through a 30' diatch.
 
2011-04-04 02:53:01 PM  
Folsom Prison
 
2011-04-04 02:55:07 PM  
Needs more Orange Blossom Special.

/don't care if I do-di-do-di-do-di-do.
 
2011-04-04 02:59:41 PM  
Buggy whips built America, too.

Don't really need those much, either.
 
2011-04-04 03:01:02 PM  

quoinguy: Buggy whips built America, too.

Don't really need those much, either.


Oh yes we do! There are thousands upon thousands of cute, young women with cute, young butts that need to be whipped!
 
2011-04-04 03:04:11 PM  
I think any mundane story can get a green light as long as some loser puts the Florida tag on it.
 
2011-04-04 03:04:14 PM  
Trains helped build Florida into what it is today.

[train wreck.jpg]
 
2011-04-04 03:04:47 PM  
This train ride for me in Florida is just about over. The weather up north will suck but life will be so much more fulfilling being back in civilization
 
2011-04-04 03:10:45 PM  

Super Chronic: Is that Two Tickets to Paradise or Crazy Train?
I vote for Casey Jones.


More like The Boxcar Children.

The problem (if you wish to call it such) is the fact that moving goods by rail is much more profitable than moving people. You also have the annoyance factor to consider. A crate of oranges doesn't care if it sits on a siding for five hours while waiting for another freight train to pass. People, on the other hand, will tend to get rather pissed.

/i blame the bus companies
 
2011-04-04 03:12:59 PM  
I vote for Journey.
 
2011-04-04 03:15:47 PM  

nekom: cretinbob: I remember riding the Orange Belt as a kid, took one of the last passenger trains out of St. Pete, went out of Tampa for a trip once too.

Now you have to go all the way to Orlando. Sucks. It's cheap as hell and comfortable. Yeah, not as fast as a plane, but better than a bus.

One cool they thing I rode was the auto train. Your car comes with you. Very unique experience, but it's only available from Lorton, VA (DC area) to Sanford, FL (Orlando area). It's expensive, especially if you opt for the sleeper car, and you'll be woken up in the middle of the night somewhere through Georgia by the stench of a paper mill, but it's still neat.


I know that paper mill. Just this side of Jacksonville, right?
 
2011-04-04 03:18:29 PM  
Mystery Train.
 
2011-04-04 03:21:33 PM  
nekom, I saw a Tropicana unit train running on the line that runs parallel with RT301 last year between Daytona and Jacksonville.
 
2011-04-04 03:21:53 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Super Chronic: Is that Two Tickets to Paradise or Crazy Train?
I vote for Casey Jones.

More like The Boxcar Children.

The problem (if you wish to call it such) is the fact that moving goods by rail is much more profitable than moving people. You also have the annoyance factor to consider. A crate of oranges doesn't care if it sits on a siding for five hours while waiting for another freight train to pass. People, on the other hand, will tend to get rather pissed.

/i blame the bus companies


Agree about freight/people. Commute on Metra train- is frequently delayed by freight movement.
 
2011-04-04 03:25:36 PM  

macadamnut: nekom: cretinbob: I remember riding the Orange Belt as a kid, took one of the last passenger trains out of St. Pete, went out of Tampa for a trip once too.

Now you have to go all the way to Orlando. Sucks. It's cheap as hell and comfortable. Yeah, not as fast as a plane, but better than a bus.

One cool they thing I rode was the auto train. Your car comes with you. Very unique experience, but it's only available from Lorton, VA (DC area) to Sanford, FL (Orlando area). It's expensive, especially if you opt for the sleeper car, and you'll be woken up in the middle of the night somewhere through Georgia by the stench of a paper mill, but it's still neat.

I know that paper mill. Just this side of Jacksonville, right?


Sounds about right. I've experienced the smell of one in Maryland that wasn't HALF as bad as that one. One of the strongest odors I ever remember experiencing.

Pick: nekom, I saw a Tropicana unit train running on the line that runs parallel with RT301 last year between Daytona and Jacksonville.


I wonder if any of them run along the gulf coast at all. I'm not sure where their distribution centers or plants are. All i saw last time in Sarasota was tankers, ethanol I believe or something explosive because they had a buffer car between the engine and the tankers, I think they are required to do that for anything hazmat
 
2011-04-04 03:27:11 PM  

DigitalCoffee: The problem (if you wish to call it such) is the fact that moving goods by rail is much more profitable than moving people. You also have the annoyance factor to consider. A crate of oranges doesn't care if it sits on a siding for five hours while waiting for another freight train to pass. People, on the other hand, will tend to get rather pissed.


in the NE corridor, Amtrak actually owns a lot of the trackage as opposed to everywhere else where that is a serious problem, as they're only running on trackage rights with NS/CSX/UP/BNSF.
 
2011-04-04 03:28:02 PM  
Trains?

"You see, me and my homies like to play this game. We call it Amtrak but some call it the train..."
 
2011-04-04 03:31:14 PM  
Railfans? We call them "foamers". Taking pictures from overpasses and sidings, vehicles parked in unauthorized areas just to get a good shot. The company wants us to report such events, but we know they're harmless, and not terrorists.

/CSX
//Freight Car Inspector
 
2011-04-04 03:34:42 PM  

wiseguy26: Railfans? We call them "foamers". Taking pictures from overpasses and sidings, vehicles parked in unauthorized areas just to get a good shot. The company wants us to report such events, but we know they're harmless, and not terrorists.

/CSX
//Freight Car Inspector


I wouldn't describe myself as being in the foamer camp. I've been to horseshoe curve in Altoona, I think that's like Mecca to those people. People with 2 or 3 radio scanners, a cooler of food (oh yeah, they're there for the entire day), etc. But yeah, they're harmless.

Hey how come CSX's locomotive and stock always look so clean when compared to NS junk? Hell even the short lines around here (Pitt&Ohio Central, SWP, AVR, W&LE) have better looking stuff.
 
2011-04-04 03:37:52 PM  
But really, didn't the railroads help build this entire country? Why yes. And although I wouldn't call myself a foamer either, I will always have a soft spot for the ol' Delaware & Hudson.
 
2011-04-04 03:38:26 PM  

8DragonFark: DigitalCoffee: Super Chronic: Is that Two Tickets to Paradise or Crazy Train?
I vote for Casey Jones.

More like The Boxcar Children.

The problem (if you wish to call it such) is the fact that moving goods by rail is much more profitable than moving people. You also have the annoyance factor to consider. A crate of oranges doesn't care if it sits on a siding for five hours while waiting for another freight train to pass. People, on the other hand, will tend to get rather pissed.

/i blame the bus companies

Agree about freight/people. Commute on Metra train- is frequently delayed by freight movement.


you sound union pacific west line.

but yeah freight doesn't sue over every little thing like passengers do. as soon as the railroads could get out of the passenger hauling business, they did. passenger rail doesn't work without government subsidies.
 
2011-04-04 03:46:32 PM  

nekom: wiseguy26: Railfans? We call them "foamers". Taking pictures from overpasses and sidings, vehicles parked in unauthorized areas just to get a good shot. The company wants us to report such events, but we know they're harmless, and not terrorists.

/CSX
//Freight Car Inspector

I wouldn't describe myself as being in the foamer camp. I've been to horseshoe curve in Altoona, I think that's like Mecca to those people. People with 2 or 3 radio scanners, a cooler of food (oh yeah, they're there for the entire day), etc. But yeah, they're harmless.

Hey how come CSX's locomotive and stock always look so clean when compared to NS junk? Hell even the short lines around here (Pitt&Ohio Central, SWP, AVR, W&LE) have better looking stuff.


I'm not sure about the frequency of washings, but I know we have a few locomotive washing facilities across the system. As for the rolling stock, it gets grafitti'd up just as much as any other freight I've seen. If it sits for any period of time in Atlanta, East St. Louis, Chicago, or any other urban yards, it's gonna get sprayed.
 
2011-04-04 03:49:14 PM  
If you had to pick one technology that made Florida what it is today, it would be air conditioning, not railroads.
 
2011-04-04 03:49:50 PM  

nekom: wiseguy26: Railfans? We call them "foamers". Taking pictures from overpasses and sidings, vehicles parked in unauthorized areas just to get a good shot. The company wants us to report such events, but we know they're harmless, and not terrorists.

/CSX
//Freight Car Inspector

I wouldn't describe myself as being in the foamer camp. I've been to horseshoe curve in Altoona, I think that's like Mecca to those people. People with 2 or 3 radio scanners, a cooler of food (oh yeah, they're there for the entire day), etc. But yeah, they're harmless.

Hey how come CSX's locomotive and stock always look so clean when compared to NS junk? Hell even the short lines around here (Pitt&Ohio Central, SWP, AVR, W&LE) have better looking stuff.



several csx loco shops systemwide have engine washers


/ retired csx locomotive engineer
 
2011-04-04 03:50:41 PM  
When I was a kid (late '70s - early '80s) we took the train from West Palm Beach, Orlando, and I think Wildwood to NYC and back a few times and it was great. Like a nice hotel.
I did WPB to NYC again in around '89 and it was totally different; way more expensive, shiat food, etc.
Did NY to Sanford & back about five years ago and it was the same, but at least no TSA.

Nice thing: no TSA. You can pack drugs, good picnic food, whatever. Baggage limit is whatever you can carry. They even let the smokers get out & have a butt at most stops (wish I'd had the balls to jump out & smoke a quick bowl on the platform, but would've had to deal with a trainload of Bogarts afterward).

Funny thing: southbound, at DC the all-black crew is replaced with an all-white crew. Not an improvement.

Sad thing: It used to so nice. I blame the airlines.
 
2011-04-04 03:51:59 PM  

wiseguy26: I'm not sure about the frequency of washings, but I know we have a few locomotive washing facilities across the system. As for the rolling stock, it gets grafitti'd up just as much as any other freight I've seen. If it sits for any period of time in Atlanta, East St. Louis, Chicago, or any other urban yards, it's gonna get sprayed.


Yeah that's the same around here, it all gets tagged but NS seems to run older stuff. It's all coal drags here, and they jointly control the former Monongahela railway trackage (former Conrail also) and have their own line on each side of the river. The CSX stuff seems newer, mostly newish looking top gon and beth gon coalporters while NS is running old Conrail hoppers, even some with road names starting with NYC, does that mean those things are THAT old?
 
2011-04-04 03:53:14 PM  
Also,
www.mikkosgameblog.com
anyone?
 
2011-04-04 03:56:58 PM  

wiseguy26: Railfans? We call them "foamers". Taking pictures from overpasses and sidings, vehicles parked in unauthorized areas just to get a good shot. The company wants us to report such events, but we know they're harmless, and not terrorists.

/CSX
//Freight Car Inspector




a car knocker's job sounds like a whoooooole lot of walking. is it?
 
2011-04-04 03:57:42 PM  
Still a lot of cargo hauled out west via rail, even though they are getting into triple trailers on the road. Those are just plain scary.
There' still a line around here. I think people think I'm strange when I have to stop for one and hop out of the car to go stand at the gate until it passes...
Trains make sense.

//Old 97 (new window)
 
2011-04-04 04:06:07 PM  
I have a hunger.

It's a hunger.
 
2011-04-04 04:06:43 PM  

Ball of Confusion: but yeah freight doesn't sue over every little thing like passengers do. as soon as the railroads could get out of the passenger hauling business, they did. passenger rail doesn't work without government subsidies.


The subsidies for air carriers didn't help any either.
 
2011-04-04 04:07:43 PM  

Ball of Confusion: wiseguy26: Railfans? We call them "foamers". Taking pictures from overpasses and sidings, vehicles parked in unauthorized areas just to get a good shot. The company wants us to report such events, but we know they're harmless, and not terrorists.

/CSX
//Freight Car Inspector



a car knocker's job sounds like a whoooooole lot of walking. is it?


Yeah, we had an incident in Waycross with the FRA, and the company thought it would be better for us to walk the Class I instead of using our buggies. But the job is still as hard as you want to make it.
 
2011-04-04 04:15:44 PM  

nekom: wiseguy26: I'm not sure about the frequency of washings, but I know we have a few locomotive washing facilities across the system. As for the rolling stock, it gets grafitti'd up just as much as any other freight I've seen. If it sits for any period of time in Atlanta, East St. Louis, Chicago, or any other urban yards, it's gonna get sprayed.

Yeah that's the same around here, it all gets tagged but NS seems to run older stuff. It's all coal drags here, and they jointly control the former Monongahela railway trackage (former Conrail also) and have their own line on each side of the river. The CSX stuff seems newer, mostly newish looking top gon and beth gon coalporters while NS is running old Conrail hoppers, even some with road names starting with NYC, does that mean those things are THAT old?


Yeah, they are that old. We have some NYC cars rolling around, but if they roll across our repair track, they get restenciled CSXT, until then NYC is fine. I think they are good for 50 years, and then must be approved for extended haul service. (Mostly Maintenance of Way stuff) We do seen to have nicer stuff, NS has a big shop nearby, and the difference can be seen. They do run some power in Conrail blue, and even run long hood lead.
 
2011-04-04 04:20:52 PM  
I'll have to say the darkies (new window) here are very nice! (new window)
 
2011-04-04 04:22:28 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: But really, didn't the railroads help build this entire country? Why yes. And although I wouldn't call myself a foamer either, I will always have a soft spot for the ol' Delaware & Hudson.


Helped, sure. Along with natural rivers, the Erie Canal, the Niagara bypass, and the Interstate Highway System.
 
2011-04-04 04:23:53 PM  
Trains Air Conditioners helped build Florida into what it is today.
 
2011-04-04 04:24:36 PM  

Raoul Eaton: If you had to pick one technology that made Florida what it is today, it would be air conditioning, not railroads.


Henry Flagler would like a word with you.
 
2011-04-04 04:27:03 PM  

St_Francis_P: One of the more influential trains in Florida:


Does it go to Mundo Fine?
 
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