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(Orlando Sentinel)   $1 billion in aid to Japan has reached... the pockets of the Red Cross   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 341
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2011-04-03 07:57:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: AbbeySomeone: Rapmaster2000: Well, I'm glad I never give a dime to disaster relief. Thanks for justifying my miserlinesscommon sense and refusal to have my sympathies played upon.

FFaccuracy

Good point. If your house floods or some shiat, it's your own dumb fault for living near water.

Why should I feel sorry for some dumb foreigner who probably doesn't even believe in Jesus. They should be blaming themselves for not bargaining for The Lord's protection.


pssst.. earlpay arborhay
 
2011-04-03 07:59:00 PM
Didn't the Red Cross drown several survivors of Katrina after they asked for their help?
 
2011-04-03 07:59:11 PM
Unionized government workers also pocket a large portion of taxes that's allegedly supposed to help people, but if you biatch about that people call you a fascist.
 
2011-04-03 07:59:54 PM

Grables'Daughter: Now go and donate to United Cancer at www.ElkhartCancer.org!

BIE to all who do!

: )


done

//this is how you fundraise
 
2011-04-03 08:00:02 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: 1. Put snakes on plane: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.

Again, bullshiat. It's on you for proof, but I'll start you off.

Lots of bullshiat in here, fueled by the trolltastic headline.

Provided you had read my post, you would've noted that I was speaking of my own experiences, anecdotal as they are. It is what I have seen and watched occur, in person, right before me on several occasions at disparate locations. Some of who were spurned are people I've known many years and so know that something better didn't occur afterwards.

The RC is the only charity I've watched in action that put obtaining donations as their first priority, charged people needing help for the supplies they needed and turned others away who couldn't pay. All while the others gave freely to the needy and kept at it long after the reporters went away.

My personal experience, as I said, not an argument to convert the true believers or even the 'meh'. Am I to find proof of my experiences to convince myself or something?

Or were you demanding proof that they're good with blood? Well, I have none there beyond being a regular donor and thinking I'm doing some good.

You sir, are a farking liar. Bring proof or STFU.


Getting mad on the internet is serious business.

You sound like a Red Cross executive.
 
2011-04-03 08:01:29 PM

AbbeySomeone: Rapmaster2000: AbbeySomeone: Rapmaster2000: Well, I'm glad I never give a dime to disaster relief. Thanks for justifying my miserlinesscommon sense and refusal to have my sympathies played upon.

FFaccuracy

Good point. If your house floods or some shiat, it's your own dumb fault for living near water.

Why should I feel sorry for some dumb foreigner who probably doesn't even believe in Jesus. They should be blaming themselves for not bargaining for The Lord's protection.

pssst.. earlpay arborhay


www.funnyforumpics.com
 
2011-04-03 08:02:36 PM

jwbchuckd:

At best they would make it one year from the last gay sexual session. You cant donate if you lived in a mad cow endemic area. I think haiti is still a time based deferral not lifetime like england in the 80 and 90s. And you can donate if you paid for a hooker if you wait a year from the last time.


That sounds about right. Thank you. I didn't know about the mad cow ban. Or didn't pay attention. Is there still a ban for England?


------------------

Uchiha_Cycliste:
I donated platelets in high school and was able to do it every week or every other week. It took about an hour and a half, usually you sat in a dentist like chair and watched a movie. I suspect they mean it's easier in that you don't really feel like you gave fluids, and the platelets return in a few days. Donating whole blood can leave you feeling a little worse for the wear.


Thank you. And thank you for donating.

I remember seeing those chairs. They were always full, here in Albuquerque when I went. The needles were a little bigger, if I remember correctly.
 
2011-04-03 08:02:52 PM

Necrosis: sillydragon:
When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.

/Yeah CSB.

Wahhh....they didn't give me enough free money!


More like 'waaahhh they were completely farking useless and don't deserve a dime of my money'. Which is why they get none. YMMV.
 
2011-04-03 08:06:40 PM

Restil: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

9/11 didn't result in a great need for donated blood. Most of the people involved ended up relatively uninjured, or dead. Of course, in the hours after the event, when the projected death tolls were still in the 10000+ range, the possibility of many thousands of injured people requiring surgery meant that the blood donations weren't really premature. They MIGHT have been needed if things turned out slightly differently.


Even with those circumstances the needs would be met locally or regionally. The Blood bank industry is known to work together well. The amount of blood being donated was astronomically high for any time. It was not Red crosses fault though because it was that way across the US. And it did lead to a high percentage of units being expired. Expired RBCs however, have other uses other than donations.
 
2011-04-03 08:07:04 PM
My Grandfather always hated the Red Cross. He said more than once field doctors would be overwhelmed with wounded. The Red Cross would arrive and hand out coffee and donuts, then leave. He also said they charge for shiat. Not sure how true the last part is, and may be sour grapes. I do know he was tasked with carrying wounded and dead from the hills in the Battle Luzon, Philippines...which is where the Red Cross incident occurred. What a nightmare that had to be, I can understand why he felt that way towards the Red Cross.
 
2011-04-03 08:08:46 PM

ipsofacto: Grables'Daughter: Now go and donate to United Cancer at www.ElkhartCancer.org!

BIE to all who do!

: )

done

//this is how you fundraise


YHM.
 
2011-04-03 08:09:03 PM

Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

And with Hati and I think they also skimmed a ton of money off from the 9/11 attacks.


Bullshiat. The American Red Cross is pretty efficient, especially for such a large charity. It's also more transparent than most charities of any size. You can check Charity Navigator if you're interested in more than internet rumors. Which I doubt you are, because actual facts are pretty easy to come by.
The main problem with the 9/11 donations was, the fund raising said the donations would go to helping the victims of that particular disaster. Not pay for sandwiches for aid workers or cleanup crews or whatever- give it to the victims. So, they got a zillion dollars, and then found that the victims tended to be wealthy people. They couldn't find enough people who actually needed charity, so they wanted to save some of the money in their disaster relief fund. That's not exactly skimming, and their lawyers didn't let it happen anyway. Instead, they made 10K mortgage payments for rich widows, because that's what they'd promised the donors they would do. And of course that pissed off a whole new set of people.
The American Red Cross helps a lot of people every day. They aren't perfect. Their fundraising is more aggressive than I like. But that deserves a different kind of hate than the ignorant hate they get.
 
2011-04-03 08:09:19 PM

hbk72777: My grandfather always said fark the Red Cross til the day he died. He just got out of Korea, trying to make his way home after serving his country, the RC "lent" him $5 to get home, made him fill out paperwork with his home address to where they could go about getting their money repaid etc.

Salvation Army on the other hand, helped him out greatly, fed him, and gave him money to get back home. It's why I always donate everything to them.

fark the Red Cross


This. The RC is good for blood donations, but little else. The Salvation Army helps anyone: that goes for every last one of you regardless of your race, color, or your creed.

/Also, United Way blows
 
2011-04-03 08:09:21 PM
www.google.com

Cut out the middle man and donate directly to the Japanese Red Cross here

Interestingly, you can't deduct these donations on your taxes. It's almost as if the US government discourages direct donations.

/Eff 'em, do it anyway.
 
2011-04-03 08:09:42 PM

SharkTrager: When a big storm hit Houston the Red Cross showed up quickly to give aid.

By give aid I mean the arrived at a spot where the Salvation Army was feeding people flooded out of their homes, made sure their spokespeople were the ones interviewed with the Salvation Army crews actually doing the work in the background, and went to the victims asking for donations.

The Salvation Army never made any effort to correct the perception that it was a Red Cross organized effort. They were too busy actually helping people.


I'm sure the SA isn't going to be the most popular charity here but at least the vast majority of the money sent to them gets to those that actually need it.
 
2011-04-03 08:12:06 PM

studebaker hoch: Cut out the middle man and donate directly to the Japanese Red Cross here

Interestingly, you can't deduct these donations on your taxes. It's almost as if the US government discourages direct donations.

/Eff 'em, do it anyway.


Agreed. If you are donating merely for the tax benefits then just keep your money.
 
2011-04-03 08:13:02 PM
Hmmm...i seem to remember after 9/11 that a whole piss pot full of money was donated for the survivors of the attack. And there was a snafu of people waiting YEARS to get anything, if at all. And if i'm not mistaken, didn't they just like keep 1/2 of all the donations? So we give out this much..., and ...keep the rest for ourselves. All of that money not spent on direct support of the efforts at ground zero should have gone to the families.

Bet it's gonna be the same thing here, most of that money is just gonna go poof in someone's pocket.

That being said, God bless the good people of the Japans, and I hope that you can get all the help humanly possible.
 
2011-04-03 08:15:05 PM

pervvywanker: Didn't the Red Cross drown several survivors of Katrina after they asked for their help?


You're thinking of Rush Limbaugh.
 
2011-04-03 08:17:22 PM
Where I used to live, we had a lot of forest fires, and most everybody would evacuate. But some people would stay behind because they had nowhere to go and no means to get there if they did.
The two local supermarkets would leave their front doors opens and post signs asking people to take only what they needed and not to leave a mess (During one fire, some friends and I mopped and buffed the one store's floor mostly because we were bored).
During one fire, some Red Cross workers who were new to the area came and saw what was going on and had a conniption fit. They wanted to sell us cold coffee and stale sandwiches and they couldn't compete with free. After some firefighters showed up and started picking up badly needed supplies, the Red Cross workers called in the sheriff deputies and tried to get all of us arrested on looting charges (which didn't stick of course).
But before they left, they hit the liquor department pretty damn hard.
 
2011-04-03 08:22:10 PM

awalkingecho: As someone who donated his entire tax return to the Japanese relief effort, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies...


Mine bought another Breitling

/filed as married this year, first time I ever got a decent refund
 
2011-04-03 08:22:31 PM

sillydragon:
When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.


So let's hear the name of the charity that provided you with the $750, so we can donate to them.
 
2011-04-03 08:25:11 PM
Suckers
 
2011-04-03 08:26:06 PM
I would like to recommend ADRA as an organization worth donating to. www.adra.org

They've a good record, you can read about them here. (new window)

Despite being a religious organization they "As a global organisation, ADRA is a signatory of the Code of Conduct for the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement and NGOs in Disaster Relief, which states that "aid will not be used to further a particular political or religious standpoint", that "aid is given regardless of the race, creed, or nationality", and that organizations "shall respect culture and custom."
 
2011-04-03 08:26:15 PM
and no doubt every penny of it will go...to administration costs.

The only thing I donate to the red cross is blood, and if there were another group available, they'd get that.
 
2011-04-03 08:26:17 PM
for those of you commenting about the red cross charging for coffee in donuts to military troops, read the snopes article
 
2011-04-03 08:28:39 PM

finnished: sillydragon:
When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.

So let's hear the name of the charity that provided you with the $750, so we can donate to them.


That'd be one of my friends that saved the day by giving me some couch space for a while. My housemate ended up with a friend of his for a while. If you're looking to donate, I agree with randomjsa, Doctors Without Borders is supposedly pretty good.
 
2011-04-03 08:37:59 PM
Back when I used to live in Indiana, we had hurricanes on a pretty regular basis. During Katrina the power was out for several days. I got out a ladder and decided to climb the pole myself and see what the problem was. Some joker from the Red Cross came by and said that I was being a danger to myself and that it was illegal for me to attempt to reconnect power myself. I told him that if he didn't like it then he could go back to Kalifornina and sit on it. He didn't like it that much, but tough shiat. I play by my own rules.
 
2011-04-03 08:38:20 PM

Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

Dom Irrera does not like
 
2011-04-03 08:40:42 PM
Grables'Daughter: keeps her word!

Now go and donate to United Cancer at www.ElkhartCancer.org!

BIE to all who do!

: )
 
2011-04-03 08:49:09 PM
Why would anyone give "aid" to the world's 2nd largest national economy? There is only one nation on earth in a better position to fix this level of devastation. What does the Red Cross (or anyone) think they can possibly contribute? Japan has this thing wrapped up better than any charity could accomplish.
 
2011-04-03 08:51:28 PM
From personal experience I can say that the "Sali" the Salvation Army is a dedicated group of professionals and volunteers that help people in need. If you are looking for a group that will use your donations correctly then you need look no further.

The above having been said...please don't forget that they are a Christian organization who began as a temperence sp? group on the Bowery in New York. Maybe you can overlook this because of the good works that they do. I know that I can.
 
2011-04-03 08:58:32 PM

Abu El Banat: From personal experience I can say that the "Sali" the Salvation Army is a dedicated group of professionals and volunteers that help people in need. If you are looking for a group that will use your donations correctly then you need look no further.

The above having been said...please don't forget that they are a Christian organization who began as a temperence sp? group on the Bowery in New York. Maybe you can overlook this because of the good works that they do. I know that I can.


My area has been hit hard by the hard economic times. About 1/4 of able workers in town are out of work. Homelessness is on the rise.

And the Salvation Army is there every week handing out hot soup, every day operating thrift stores to offer employment to people down on their luck, and generally being a fantastic influence on the area.

Not only do I not mind their origin, I applaud them for being so honest with their religion that they take the "be charitable" part so seriously.
 
2011-04-03 09:00:22 PM
Probably why around the "Holiday Season" I'll go the store and buy a bunch of canned goods and stuff and donate it to the local food bank.

I help people locally, and if the administration wants a few cans of canned cream corn or whatever for themselves, I can't stop them. But at least I'm sure the canned goods and stuff I have given made it to the end user.

I've always done that though. Seems like the smaller local food kitchens and similar put a lot more into the community than the bigger ones do. Sure, in a major disaster the big ones are more likely able to deploy and help more people, but if they can take 50% of the money to pay for administration, they can survive without me.

Me and my boss also took 5 turkeys to the local food bank when they were short last Thanksgiving. Felt a lot better about it and was thanked personally instead of just sending a nameless text to someone.

And seeing this, I guess it reinforces my feelings on it.
 
2011-04-03 09:01:23 PM

LavenderWolf: Abu El Banat: From personal experience I can say that the "Sali" the Salvation Army is a dedicated group of professionals and volunteers that help people in need. If you are looking for a group that will use your donations correctly then you need look no further.

The above having been said...please don't forget that they are a Christian organization who began as a temperence sp? group on the Bowery in New York. Maybe you can overlook this because of the good works that they do. I know that I can.

My area has been hit hard by the hard economic times. About 1/4 of able workers in town are out of work. Homelessness is on the rise.

And the Salvation Army is there every week handing out hot soup, every day operating thrift stores to offer employment to people down on their luck, and generally being a fantastic influence on the area.

Not only do I not mind their origin, I applaud them for being so honest with their religion that they take the "be charitable" part so seriously.


I just scored a sexy, sheer, vintage slip at a Salvation Army thrift store for 1.49, in great condition. This is how I donate.
 
2011-04-03 09:01:40 PM
Tip #1: Donate Direct.
Tip #2: Don't donate to orgs that have words like "Cross" or "Salvation" in their names. (Greed Christians *will* be involved at some nasty level).
Tip #3: Don't donate when people could be helping themselves. IE: Homeless people.

Just because something has life, doesn't mean it deserves your charity.
 
2011-04-03 09:02:22 PM
threadjack: I just noticed from looking at my profile page when I confirmed my account creation date...

I have a greenlight! I totally missed it!
 
2011-04-03 09:04:59 PM

Necrosis: Shazam999: Yeah, they have something like a billion dollars from Haiti donations that's just sitting around.

In a place like Haiti it is very difficult to effectively spend money. You don't just throw it around, you need to make sure it is used productively. This is very difficult in the best circumstances and even more difficult in a place like Haiti where infrastructure and political systems are nonexistent or completely farked up. Red Cross typically tries to make it clear that setting aside money specifically for one disaster is stupid and ineffective. What if that money won't do any good? Do you just throw it around anyway? Or do you use it for the next disaster where it can help more people? The issues in Haiti are very long term and can't be solved by Red Cross alone.


Yeah, I know. It might be best for people that if they do I want to donate, they direct their money towards other causes.
 
2011-04-03 09:07:21 PM

LavenderWolf: threadjack: I just noticed from looking at my profile page when I confirmed my account creation date...

I have a greenlight! I totally missed it!


Congratulations!

This one, I assume?
 
2011-04-03 09:17:20 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Why would anyone give "aid" to the world's 2nd largest national economy? There is only one nation on earth in a better position to fix this level of devastation. What does the Red Cross (or anyone) think they can possibly contribute? Japan has this thing wrapped up better than any charity could accomplish.


There are very few nations that aren't in debt, Japan is one of them. They're around 225% debt to GDP. Your comment is profoundly ignorant.
 
2011-04-03 09:21:10 PM

farkMcFark: Bennie Crabtree: Why would anyone give "aid" to the world's 2nd largest national economy? There is only one nation on earth in a better position to fix this level of devastation. What does the Red Cross (or anyone) think they can possibly contribute? Japan has this thing wrapped up better than any charity could accomplish.

There are very few nations that aren't in debt, Japan is one of them. They're around 225% debt to GDP. Your comment is profoundly ignorant.


Pardon my ignorance, but it seems as if you are agreeing with him here... Bennie Crabtree is saying that they are the 2nd largest national economy, and you are saying that they aren't in debt...

Am I missing something?
 
2011-04-03 09:22:38 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: hardinparamedic: Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.

Bullshiat.

No, it's really not. I've seen this happen three different times with members of the Red Cross demanding that all aid within a certain area be put under their direct supervision. If anyone refuses, the Red Cross expects them to be shut down and asked to leave. In one instance they flat out refused to let their trucks approach the site until the local emergency management coordinator placed the Salvation Army, which was already there and working, under Red Cross "guidance". The organization is a well known bully in emergency management and the only reason they get away with it is because they have friends in high places.

fark the Red Cross.


Been that way since Hurricane Andrew (and earlier) (new window)

The RC expects to be completely in control, ignoring local personnel who are much more knowledgeable about local concerns.
 
2011-04-03 09:25:42 PM
Heh, Americans are going to "donate", like it or not.
guess who is gonna cover the 4 trillion final bill?
Oh yea, that be US, folks.

But wait, we aren't done yet.
guess where the Atomic wastes will be stored?
Thats riiiight.

And, Wait,
Guess who will take in plenty of immigrants,
almost 20 million of them?
you're catch'n the drift by now?

Whew! pant pant, heh, all done now,
we so nice.

Nup, not quite yet bucky boys,
Guess what Americans will throw in to boot?
All their Atomic Piles,
into the trashheap of history
thats what.

but wait, hold on a minute.
theres still some red tape,
we will have a thriving anime industry,
Japanese will be a required second language.

and,and, and.. Youll love this..
A Japanese President,
with a new monarchical constitution.

Y'gotta love that,
since thats all you gonna be honorably permitted to do.

Unemployment and welfare will be a sad memory.
LoL
 
2011-04-03 09:26:47 PM
I had 3 American Red Cross workers show up on our block when the highways flooded after the remnants of Hurricane Ike blew through. They wanted a place to stay, but said they had no money to pay, despite showing up in a new Chevy Suburban.

Kicked.
Their.
Asses.
 
2011-04-03 09:26:52 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


www.plunderbund.com
 
2011-04-03 09:35:29 PM
JSTACAT:
What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.

First thing the Japanese should do is stop sitting on cold rocks.

/gives ya the piles
 
2011-04-03 09:37:33 PM

swamp_of_dumb: JSTACAT:
What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.

First thing the Japanese should do is stop sitting on cold rocks.

/gives ya the piles


That can't be comfoltabre.
 
2011-04-03 09:40:16 PM

swamp_of_dumb: JSTACAT:
What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.

First thing the Japanese should do is stop sitting on cold rocks.

/gives ya the piles



www.guzer.com


Face trials of piles with smiles.
 
2011-04-03 09:46:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: ThisNameSux: mikdeetx: Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?

How much should an executive at what amounts to a large corporation be paid? Hell, I'm far from rich and could drive a 40k car if I wanted.

Well, la-dee-da. Look at the rich guy who can afford a Honda Odyssey. Sorry Richie Rich, but some of us are still paying off Citations.



Only seven more EZ payments and this sweet ride is all mine.


That car is a beauty! :)
Meanwhile, my folks paid $12,000 for their first house. It's still standing, I saw it two years ago.
 
2011-04-03 09:47:17 PM
The article is wrong-headed and utterly misleading. Anyone with any sense knows charitable contributions aren't about helping people - there are plenty of government agencies with a lot more money that are much better equipped for this. Charitable contributions are about relieving middle-class guilt and making the contributors feel empowered in situations that are, in reality, completely beyond their control - and the Red Cross fulfills both of these missions in an efficient and professional manner.
 
2011-04-03 09:51:45 PM

Grables'Daughter: LavenderWolf: threadjack: I just noticed from looking at my profile page when I confirmed my account creation date...

I have a greenlight! I totally missed it!

Congratulations!

This one, I assume?


No, it's from January 7. Stoner moment.
 
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