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(Orlando Sentinel)   $1 billion in aid to Japan has reached... the pockets of the Red Cross   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 341
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2011-04-03 07:01:35 PM  

ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.



Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?
 
2011-04-03 07:04:03 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu


I donated platelets in high school and was able to do it every week or every other week. It took about an hour and a half, usually you sat in a dentist like chair and watched a movie. I suspect they mean it's easier in that you don't really feel like you gave fluids, and the platelets return in a few days. Donating whole blood can leave you feeling a little worse for the wear.
 
2011-04-03 07:04:08 PM  
Very Katrina-esque of the Red Cross once again. Just remember that the money collected today does NOT go to today's disaster. It goes into the "pool of 'relief' money" for tomorrows disaster.

I'm quite certain that the grand I donated for Katrina relief bought a lot of fund raiser parties or at least contributed to one.

If you want to be charitable in time of need house and feed a displaced family or help in person.

Almost ALL charities are a scam. 99% of donations to admin. costs 1% to the needy.
 
2011-04-03 07:04:32 PM  

Korovyov: beer4breakfast:
My aunt is doing the walk so while it might not be the best way to donate to a health issue it isn't a purely practical choice. I was just wondering if anybody heard of any sketchy stories on the Avon Foundation. What I've read on the Red Cross has already convinced me never to donate to them. There are a lot more worthy organizations for international relief.

Fair enough. I was unduly harsh and not really answering your question in that post, which was unhelpful of me.

CN doesn't evaluate them yet (apparently they don't until they have 4+ years of 990's, and the Avon Foundation was a private group exempt from filing until lately.)

http://www.avonfoundation.org/financials.html lists their stated financials.

http://www.avonfoundation.org/assets/2009-irs-990-final-fr-odmd-pdf-by-nd-0512 10 .pdf goes to their 990 for '09.

The handy-dandy pie chart they put up (doesn't say what year) says that they only 71% of budget is for programs; %3 goes to administrative overhead and 26% goes back to fundraising. For comparison, they're not nearly as bad as say, the Disabled Veterans Foundation, which basically funnels all the money straight to the fundraisers; but not nearly as good as e.g. The Rotary Foundation (~7.4% fundraising, 4.1% admin) or the the American Red Cross.


Thanks!
 
2011-04-03 07:04:56 PM  
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2011-04-03 07:05:08 PM  

Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?


Now you're just conflating two notions of permission. Under the rules, such a person is not permitted to donate. In a physical instance, one might be "permitted" to donate by employing deception.
 
2011-04-03 07:07:21 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Sounds like a long process. The paperwork from platelet donation sounds like it would take as long a time, if not longer.

-------- ...


The funny thing is the paperwork is pretty standard for what you donate and pretty streamlined. The actual donation time is about a hour because the machine has to centrifuge the platelets from the whole blood.
 
2011-04-03 07:10:54 PM  
Wow. Lots of money-grubbing assholes in here looking for excuses not to donate. Organizations like the Red Cross always use money raised from the previous disaster to pay for the next one. Carry on with the hate, though. It accomplishes more than the Red Cross ever could apparently.
 
2011-04-03 07:11:43 PM  
Churchy LaFemme 2011-04-03 05:53:41 PM
I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge..."
================================================================
I throwed a woman out my bed and house for doing that.

Giving to any charity org is just burning your money.
You give directly to your poor neighbors, withdraw help if they won't stop drinking.

What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.
 
2011-04-03 07:13:20 PM  

ZoeNekros: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

Now you're just conflating two notions of permission. Under the rules, such a person is not permitted to donate. In a physical instance, one might be "permitted" to donate by employing deception.



The 'liar' comment was sarcasm.

Wow. Honestly had no idea.

Understandable, I suppose. High risk group and all...
 
2011-04-03 07:14:42 PM  

mikdeetx: Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?


How much should an executive at what amounts to a large corporation be paid? Hell, I'm far from rich and could drive a 40k car if I wanted.
 
2011-04-03 07:17:28 PM  

JSTACAT: Churchy LaFemme 2011-04-03 05:53:41 PM
I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge..."
================================================================
I throwed a woman out my bed and house for doing that.

Giving to any charity org is just burning your money.
You give directly to your poor neighbors, withdraw help if they won't stop drinking.

What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.



The 'Piles'???
 
2011-04-03 07:18:53 PM  

ThisNameSux: mikdeetx: Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?

How much should an executive at what amounts to a large corporation be paid? Hell, I'm far from rich and could drive a 40k car if I wanted.


Well, la-dee-da. Look at the rich guy who can afford a Honda Odyssey. Sorry Richie Rich, but some of us are still paying off Citations.

upload.wikimedia.org

Only seven more EZ payments and this sweet ride is all mine.
 
2011-04-03 07:19:22 PM  

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org
 
2011-04-03 07:20:04 PM  

Farker T: The 'Piles'???


I'm guessing he's referring to Fukushima, in his own irrational, skewed, and slightly insane way.
 
2011-04-03 07:20:28 PM  
The Red Cross drank all my beer and then flushed the toilet while I was in the shower.
 
2011-04-03 07:20:48 PM  

Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org


Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs.
 
2011-04-03 07:21:37 PM  

Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?


yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.
 
2011-04-03 07:21:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org

Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs.


LOL.

No, they won't.

It really is an outstanding organization.
 
2011-04-03 07:22:52 PM  
According to the

Korovyov: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277 has numbers from their Form 990.


Also, The American Institute of Philanthropy (www.charitywatch.org) ranks The American Red Cross as A-.

Which is pretty impressive for a horrible, mismanaged and wasteful organization.
 
2011-04-03 07:22:59 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org

Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs people that make RVs that have cancer.


FTFY.

: )
 
2011-04-03 07:24:54 PM  
This thread is full of all kinds of wrong. First off, the Red Cross has NEVER charged for rendering services or aid. Someone above said ARC was selling sammiches. Total BS.

I have been a disaster services with the ARC for almost ten years. I don't give them money, I give them time.

the ARC is not a scam. We are non profit, and do not receive a penny from the Fed, either.

Yes, we stockpile money and supplies. It is why you call us in a disaster. Right now, we have food and blankets and money ready this very second in case of a disaster. So, we can't wait until fundraising. So, let's say we come help you with a house fire and you see fit to donate us something. That is great, it goes to help the next person. So, when you throw the term 'stockpiling' around, you are right. that is EXACTLY our job in life... so stockpile.

We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself. If people were making a killing working for the ARC
Stop biatching and go do something for your community. Don't trust organizations? Fine, walk around and pick up trash by yourself. Do something with your life besides sitting on the internet and complaining about the others who are out there helping.
 
2011-04-03 07:25:02 PM  

microlith: Farker T: The 'Piles'???

I'm guessing he's referring to Fukushima, in his own irrational, skewed, and slightly insane way.



Oh, that's a relief.

I was afraid Japan had been plagued with hemorrhoids.
 
2011-04-03 07:26:23 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


At best they would make it one year from the last gay sexual session. You cant donate if you lived in a mad cow endemic area. I think haiti is still a time based deferral not lifetime like england in the 80 and 90s. And you can donate if you paid for a hooker if you wait a year from the last time.
 
2011-04-03 07:27:03 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org

Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs people that make RVs that have cancer.

FTFY.

: )


Speaking of RVs and cancer, because he recently died, if you've never seen Winnebago Man, you should.

Hilarious, but so NSFW language (new window)
 
2011-04-03 07:30:43 PM  

finnished: According to theKorovyov: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277 has numbers from their Form 990.

Also, The American Institute of Philanthropy (www.charitywatch.org) ranks The American Red Cross as A-.

Which is pretty impressive for a horrible, mismanaged and wasteful organization.


Truly history's greatest monster.
 
2011-04-03 07:30:45 PM  

The Baron: This thread is full of all kinds of wrong. First off, the Red Cross has NEVER charged for rendering services or aid. Someone above said ARC was selling sammiches. Total BS.

I have been a disaster services with the ARC for almost ten years. I don't give them money, I give them time.

the ARC is not a scam. We are non profit, and do not receive a penny from the Fed, either.

Yes, we stockpile money and supplies. It is why you call us in a disaster. Right now, we have food and blankets and money ready this very second in case of a disaster. So, we can't wait until fundraising. So, let's say we come help you with a house fire and you see fit to donate us something. That is great, it goes to help the next person. So, when you throw the term 'stockpiling' around, you are right. that is EXACTLY our job in life... so stockpile.

We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself. If people were making a killing working for the ARC
Stop biatching and go do something for your community. Don't trust organizations? Fine, walk around and pick up trash by yourself. Do something with your life besides sitting on the internet and complaining about the others who are out there helping.


But some of them drive $40,000 dollar cars! That's like one and a half Accords! And they didn't even pay me to play records! They paid my assistants to hand records to me, but not me. After all of the advanced training I've completed to learn to play records you think that I would receive a payment congruent with my skill level. Well not according to the big shots at ARC.
 
2011-04-03 07:31:47 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org

Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs people that make RVs that have cancer.

FTFY.

: )

Speaking of RVs and cancer, because he recently died, if you've never seen Winnebago Man, you should.

Hilarious, but so NSFW language (new window)


Oh yes, EVERYONE that lives in Elkhart has seen that video.

Any idea if he was from Elkhart?

Now go and donate to United Cancer at www.ElkhartCancer.org!

BIE to all who do!

: )
 
2011-04-03 07:32:31 PM  
Red Cross sold coffee and donuts to wives and children of SEABEE(Navy construction troops) after Camille hit Gulfport, Mississippi in 1969. FARK. They were at the SEABEE Base and their husbands were deployed to Vietnam. Gulfport was my first duty station and that experience has saved me ever having to donate anything to the Red Cross in my whole life. Salvation Army is where it is at.
 
2011-04-03 07:33:26 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.



Well, that last one pretty much excludes all adult females. ;-)


This all sounds so 1980's - back then they called AIDS the "Four H Club", because it was primarily affecting Haitians, Homosexual, Hemophiliacs and Heroin users. I honestly thought we were beyond that.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


No, I've never donated - mostly because the thought that my blood might possibly end up in some Jehovah's Witness really creeps me out.
 
2011-04-03 07:34:40 PM  
We were working in a tent city in Haiti that hadn't had ANY aid. We brought in a medical team, but they also needed tents / food / water.

We broadcasted our coordinates and soon a Red Cross team showed up to survey the area, but refused to help as long as we were there because they don't "partner" with other organizations. We told them we didn't want to partner, we just wanted them to provide whatever aid they could outside of medical (since we were already providing medical).;..

but they refused and never returned.
 
2011-04-03 07:36:07 PM  
You're a lazy ignorant fool if you give money to charities. You need to get your fat ass of the couch and sacrifice a couple of hours of cartoon time to go and make a difference.
 
2011-04-03 07:36:11 PM  

SnakeMittens: Red Cross sold coffee and donuts to wives and children of SEABEE(Navy construction troops) after Camille hit Gulfport, Mississippi in 1969. FARK. They were at the SEABEE Base and their husbands were deployed to Vietnam. Gulfport was my first duty station and that experience has saved me ever having to donate anything to the Red Cross in my whole life. Salvation Army is where it is at.



From what I've seen, they're a decent outfit.
 
2011-04-03 07:36:53 PM  

The Baron: This thread is full of all kinds of wrong. First off, the Red Cross has NEVER charged for rendering services or aid. Someone above said ARC was selling sammiches. Total BS.

I have been a disaster services with the ARC for almost ten years. I don't give them money, I give them time.

the ARC is not a scam. We are non profit, and do not receive a penny from the Fed, either.

Yes, we stockpile money and supplies. It is why you call us in a disaster. Right now, we have food and blankets and money ready this very second in case of a disaster. So, we can't wait until fundraising. So, let's say we come help you with a house fire and you see fit to donate us something. That is great, it goes to help the next person. So, when you throw the term 'stockpiling' around, you are right. that is EXACTLY our job in life... so stockpile.

We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself. If people were making a killing working for the ARC
Stop biatching and go do something for your community. Don't trust organizations? Fine, walk around and pick up trash by yourself. Do something with your life besides sitting on the internet and complaining about the others who are out there helping.


THAT, sir, is an outstanding post.

Thank you for the information, thank you for the plug for your charity, and thank you for kicking Farkers in the butt!
 
2011-04-03 07:38:04 PM  

pippi longstocking: You're a lazy ignorant fool if you give money to charities. You need to get your fat ass of the couch and sacrifice a couple of hours of cartoon time to go and make a difference.


Ya, everybody pack up and get on over to Japan.
 
2011-04-03 07:40:02 PM  
My grandfather, deceased now, remembers the GIs being charged for coffee by the red cross during WWII. This was in Europe.
 
2011-04-03 07:41:23 PM  

mrlewish: My grandfather, deceased now, remembers the GIs being charged for coffee by the red cross during WWII. This was in Europe.


Hmmmmmm... Sounds like your grandfather, God rest his soul, would get into one heck of an Internet fight with The Baron, above.

/virgule
 
2011-04-03 07:42:32 PM  
We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself.

Per Charity Navigator, American Red Cross executives annual compensation:

Gail J. McGovern President, CEO $446,867
James Hrouda EVP, Biomedical Services $566,629
Mary Elcano General Counsel, $480,880

None of those numbers include perqs or deferred benefits.
 
2011-04-03 07:43:37 PM  

Omnivorous: We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself.

Per Charity Navigator, American Red Cross executives annual compensation:

Gail J. McGovern President, CEO $446,867
James Hrouda EVP, Biomedical Services $566,629
Mary Elcano General Counsel, $480,880

None of those numbers include perqs or deferred benefits.


State your point.
 
2011-04-03 07:45:13 PM  

randomjsa: Every damn time.

And when I say the Red Cross is a scam, people demand to know what the hell I'm on.

Do NOT donate to the Red Cross. Period. They are and remain some of the biggest scam artists in the history.

Doctors without Borders is a good organization so far as I know. Donate to them.


Holy shiat, I never thought I would agree with randomjsa on something...my head feels like it's going to explode.

When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.

/Yeah CSB.
 
2011-04-03 07:45:57 PM  

Omnivorous: We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself.

Per Charity Navigator, American Red Cross executives annual compensation:

Gail J. McGovern President, CEO $446,867
James Hrouda EVP, Biomedical Services $566,629
Mary Elcano General Counsel, $480,880

None of those numbers include perqs or deferred benefits.


"Almost entirely" is not the same as "entirely." ARC had a budget of $3.5 billion in 2010. You think volunteers can run that by themselves? Executive compensation is a slippery slope, but I don't think those numbers are out of line for such a large organization.
 
2011-04-03 07:46:59 PM  

Necrosis: Executive compensation is a slippery slope, but I don't think those numbers are out of line for such a large organization.


Yeah they are, actually. They are way too small. Tip of the hat to them.
 
2011-04-03 07:47:00 PM  

sillydragon:
When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.

/Yeah CSB.


Wahhh....they didn't give me enough free money!
 
2011-04-03 07:47:31 PM  
Wasn't here a story on a charity here a while back that a nickel on the dollar was making it to those it was for?

Why the Red Cross still?
 
2011-04-03 07:48:32 PM  

Churchy LaFemme:
I also heard that the Red Cross shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.



That was me. My bad.
 
2011-04-03 07:48:42 PM  
Farker T 2011-04-03 07:25:02 PM
microlith: Farker T: The 'Piles'???

I'm guessing he's referring to Fukushima, in his own irrational, skewed, and slightly insane way.


Oh, that's a relief.

I was afraid Japan had been plagued with hemorrhoids.
=================================================================
// That too, its one of the symptoms of eating radioactive particles.
Seriously, the Japanese people want the Atomic Curse removed from their Lands.

That is the sleeping dragon that was woken up. He is Large, move slowly in morning..
just wait till he has had his coffee, got dressed, and strap on his guns.

Buh bye Atomic Piles,
it was nice hate'n ya
 
2011-04-03 07:49:30 PM  

bartink: Necrosis: Executive compensation is a slippery slope, but I don't think those numbers are out of line for such a large organization.

Yeah they are, actually. They are way too small. Tip of the hat to them.


I would agree with this.

The Executive Director at United Cancer of Elkhart makes around $35k, I believe.
 
2011-04-03 07:50:45 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.


I can see their reasoning. Very mercenary. I'd have put out the reason that they didn't feel qualified to tell people who spontaneously wanted to give that there was enough already, and left the mercenary 'repeat donor' part out of it. 90 percent, though??? Man, I'd love to see a citation for that. That's too big a number. 9/11 wasn't the only tragedy where blood was needed that year. Is it like PETA and the puppies where they don't have the space?


9/11 didn't result in a great need for donated blood. Most of the people involved ended up relatively uninjured, or dead. Of course, in the hours after the event, when the projected death tolls were still in the 10000+ range, the possibility of many thousands of injured people requiring surgery meant that the blood donations weren't really premature. They MIGHT have been needed if things turned out slightly differently.
 
2011-04-03 07:52:05 PM  

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


For something like the tsunami? Salvation Army, Mercy Corps, and World Vision are on my list.
 
2011-04-03 07:56:38 PM  
SnakeMittens: Red Cross sold coffee and donuts to wives and children of SEABEE(Navy construction troops) after Camille hit Gulfport, Mississippi in 1969. FARK. They were at the SEABEE Base and their husbands were deployed to Vietnam. Gulfport was my first duty station and that experience has saved me ever having to donate anything to the Red Cross in my whole life. Salvation Army is where it is at.
-------------------------------------------------------------
The SA fed me when i was a penniless runaway,
let me buy cheap clothes etc.
give me place to stay when weather can kill.

Never hassled me with paperwork or threaten me with legal woes before during or after helping.
I heard plenty of sermons,
didn't understand any of it at the time,
except for the "help the poor" part

guess who i left everything to in my will.

Not my kids, not any GF.
Its the Salvation Army,
They get it all.
 
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