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(Orlando Sentinel)   $1 billion in aid to Japan has reached... the pockets of the Red Cross   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 341
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2011-04-03 04:24:18 PM
Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?
 
2011-04-03 04:27:11 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?


Haiti, as well, I believe.

But they have a great campaign with the text message money. You almost feel guilty for not even doing something that simple, and they know it.
 
2011-04-03 04:36:05 PM
The Red Cross has dispatched more than 200 emergency relief teams to the disaster zone and organized thousands of volunteers to assist victims.

Buried down in the article.
 
2011-04-03 04:39:51 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?


And with Hati and I think they also skimmed a ton of money off from the 9/11 attacks.
 
2011-04-03 04:41:06 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?


A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.
 
2011-04-03 04:41:21 PM
Yeah I haven't given a thin dime to the Red Cross since a whole slew of articles came out about mismanagement, waste, and fraud some time back in the mid-90's. I shifted my charitable contributions to organizations that do more long-term capacity building. Things like OxFam, Bill and Melinda Gates, etc. etc.
 
2011-04-03 04:47:30 PM

Dufus: A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.


I didn't realize that they were the only people allowed to do relief work... what, are they afraid someone else will get credit for doing good work?

Good on that pastor, though.
 
2011-04-03 05:11:05 PM

BreezyWheeze: Yeah I haven't given a thin dime to the Red Cross since a whole slew of articles came out about mismanagement, waste, and fraud some time back in the mid-90's. I shifted my charitable contributions to organizations that do more long-term capacity building. Things like OxFam, Bill and Melinda Gates, etc. etc.


This. I prefer to give to on-the-ground organizations that have been there for a long time before disasters, such as Paul Farmer's Partners in Health. A wonderful organization.

Also, a friend had a friend in Japan lose her husband and baby in the tsunamai so I gave directly to her and she will send it along. No overhead there.
 
2011-04-03 05:36:25 PM

Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.


Bullshiat.
 
2011-04-03 05:38:10 PM

Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

And with Hati and I think they also skimmed a ton of money off from the 9/11 attacks.


That they did, and the RC will never get another cent from me.
 
2011-04-03 05:39:11 PM
I wasn't falling for this whole "Red Cross" thing again. This time I gave my money to a nice young Nigerian man who said he would personally deliver it.
 
2011-04-03 05:40:25 PM

JosephFinn: Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.

Bullshiat.



I'm really glad you cleared that up for us, Joe.
 
2011-04-03 05:40:25 PM
I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.
 
2011-04-03 05:40:43 PM
No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.
 
2011-04-03 05:42:26 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.


So you are mad they are thinking long term?
 
2011-04-03 05:42:56 PM
Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.


Bullshiat.
 
2011-04-03 05:43:10 PM

serpent_sky: Dufus: A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

I didn't realize that they were the only people allowed to do relief work... what, are they afraid someone else will get credit for doing good work?

Good on that pastor, though.


Charities are allowed to pay their administrators and office people whatever amount they see fit, with no accountability.
That said, most charities are a scam.
 
2011-04-03 05:44:18 PM
This is why I have such a hard time donating to ANYONE after a disaster. It seems like no matter who you give money to they end up keeping most of it.

Just don't know who to trust anymore.
 
2011-04-03 05:44:36 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.


Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.



Apparently not.
 
2011-04-03 05:46:04 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.


Citation needed.

/bad blood does get incinerated for good reasons
//nation does need a constant supply of regular blood donors
 
2011-04-03 05:46:33 PM
When a big storm hit Houston the Red Cross showed up quickly to give aid.

By give aid I mean the arrived at a spot where the Salvation Army was feeding people flooded out of their homes, made sure their spokespeople were the ones interviewed with the Salvation Army crews actually doing the work in the background, and went to the victims asking for donations.

The Salvation Army never made any effort to correct the perception that it was a Red Cross organized effort. They were too busy actually helping people.
 
2011-04-03 05:46:49 PM
The article is odd. Why would someone giving money to something like the red cross expect it to be given DIRECTLY, ie as money, to victims? I would expect money given to an organisation like that to be spent on supplies and medical/rescue etc etc not given out as cash.

Or am I missing something?
 
2011-04-03 05:46:50 PM
What is a good charity to donate to?
 
2011-04-03 05:47:23 PM

Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.



Wow. I'm floored.
 
2011-04-03 05:47:45 PM
Gosh, I guess they should just fly over Japan and just throw money out the plane's windows.
 
2011-04-03 05:48:42 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.


Again, bullshiat. It's on you for proof, but I'll start you off.

Lots of bullshiat in here, fueled by the trolltastic headline.
 
2011-04-03 05:49:07 PM
biatch, biatch, biatch...
 
2011-04-03 05:49:21 PM

Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.


I call bullshiat.
 
2011-04-03 05:49:23 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.


They're good at selling you back your blood too.
 
2011-04-03 05:49:41 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


The Red Cross, except that it's not a charity. It's a relief organization.

Marysue: JosephFinn: Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.

Bullshiat.

I'm really glad you cleared that up for us, Joe.


Hey, if the poster wants to actually make any citations rather than pass on an unbelievable rumor, go ahead. I mean, we're not talking about the Salvation Army, an organization that requires you to be proselytized to for their sky god religion to get help.
 
2011-04-03 05:51:00 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


I've started a charitable mission to dispense organic booze to the chemically sensetive and could use some funding.
 
2011-04-03 05:52:12 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.



I can see their reasoning. Very mercenary. I'd have put out the reason that they didn't feel qualified to tell people who spontaneously wanted to give that there was enough already, and left the mercenary 'repeat donor' part out of it. 90 percent, though??? Man, I'd love to see a citation for that. That's too big a number. 9/11 wasn't the only tragedy where blood was needed that year. Is it like PETA and the puppies where they don't have the space?
 
2011-04-03 05:53:29 PM
I was very disappointed in the Red Cross when they put up some friends of mine after a house fire because they put them up in a cheap and ratty hotel with mold and mice.

I live in a very tiny place or I would have put them all up with me.

Knowing how much the Red Cross collects, I feel they could have done better.
 
2011-04-03 05:53:41 PM
I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge...
 
2011-04-03 05:53:53 PM
Hey, that's almost enough to cover salaries of as many Red Cross executives as you can fit on a barstool.
 
2011-04-03 05:54:26 PM
The interest on a billion dollars in the bank must be pretty nice.

I'm thinking that delaying the payment out by just a little bit earns some people a lot of money that never reaches any of the disaster victims.
 
2011-04-03 05:55:39 PM

Churchy LaFemme: I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge...


I heard that the Red Cross, in conjunction with Acorn and the Rand corporation, conspired to assassinate Abraham Lincoln
 
2011-04-03 05:56:58 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?



Yup.
 
2011-04-03 05:57:07 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I heard that the Red Cross, in conjunction with Acorn and the Rand corporation, conspired to assassinate Abraham Lincoln


I also heard that the Red Cross shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
 
2011-04-03 05:57:18 PM

CreamFilling: Hey, that's almost enough to cover salaries of as many Red Cross executives as you can fit on a barstool.


Upside down or right side up?
 
2011-04-03 05:58:00 PM
Yeah, they have something like a billion dollars from Haiti donations that's just sitting around.
 
2011-04-03 05:58:10 PM
 
2011-04-03 05:59:06 PM
And don't get me started on the scam of all scams that is United Way...
 
2011-04-03 05:59:23 PM

Churchy LaFemme: The All-Powerful Atheismo: I heard that the Red Cross, in conjunction with Acorn and the Rand corporation, conspired to assassinate Abraham Lincoln

I also heard that the Red Cross shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.


I heard that 90% of the Red Cross's administrative costs actually go towards kicking puppies
 
2011-04-03 05:59:31 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.


I can see their reasoning. Very mercenary. I'd have put out the reason that they didn't feel qualified to tell people who spontaneously wanted to give that there was enough already, and left the mercenary 'repeat donor' part out of it. 90 percent, though??? Man, I'd love to see a citation for that. That's too big a number. 9/11 wasn't the only tragedy where blood was needed that year. Is it like PETA and the puppies where they don't have the space?


Directly relating to 9/11, very little blood was actually needed. Overwhelmingly, if you were there and didnt die, chances were, you were perfectly fine.
 
2011-04-03 05:59:43 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.



Yeah.


Seems like they're quite adept at bleeding donors.
 
2011-04-03 06:00:28 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.


Every hospital in the country is asking for blood. Couldn't they give the excess to them?

They are starting to sound like PETA for people.
 
2011-04-03 06:00:47 PM

CreamFilling: Hey, that's almost enough to cover salaries of as many Red Cross executives as you can fit on a barstool.


Four?
 
2011-04-03 06:01:07 PM

Churchy LaFemme: I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge...


No, it was even more heinous. They left just enough milk in the container to wet the bottom of the glass.
 
2011-04-03 06:01:57 PM

Nemo's Brother: Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.

Every hospital in the country is asking for blood. Couldn't they give the excess to them?

They are starting to sound like PETA for people.


I'd verify that 90% figure before I started jumping to conclusions like that.
 
2011-04-03 06:02:20 PM
Fark... well if Red Cross is full of thieves and executives making $500k a year... how else can we help the Japanese? Buy more Playstations?
 
2011-04-03 06:02:57 PM

henryhill: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.


I can see their reasoning. Very mercenary. I'd have put out the reason that they didn't feel qualified to tell people who spontaneously wanted to give that there was enough already, and left the mercenary 'repeat donor' part out of it. 90 percent, though??? Man, I'd love to see a citation for that. That's too big a number. 9/11 wasn't the only tragedy where blood was needed that year. Is it like PETA and the puppies where they don't have the space?

Directly relating to 9/11, very little blood was actually needed. Overwhelmingly, if you were there and didnt die, chances were, you were perfectly fine.


Right. They were preparing for injured victims that just weren't there.
 
2011-04-03 06:03:34 PM

apachevoyeur: Fark... well if Red Cross is full of thieves and executives making $500k a year... how else can we help the Japanese? Buy more Playstations?


Hop on a flight to Japan and start cleaning up?
 
2011-04-03 06:05:03 PM
In other news: See pictures of men and women dressed up as superheroes from Megacon 2011
 
2011-04-03 06:05:35 PM

Sick Old Farker: Churchy LaFemme: I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge...

No, it was even more heinous. They left just enough milk in the container to wet the bottom of the glass.



Was it radioactive milk?
 
2011-04-03 06:05:39 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Churchy LaFemme: I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge...

I heard that the Red Cross, in conjunction with Acorn and the Rand corporation, conspired to assassinate Abraham Lincoln


And in Islamic countries it's called the Red Cresent??
(whhargble goes here)

/The Red Cross has never made a secret that they allocate funds as they see fit and hold onto cash for when it's needed later
//it's good to be the CEO of a church or charity
 
2011-04-03 06:07:05 PM
There are certainly issues with the Red Cross as a larger organization, but they still do a lot of good. People don't realize that the five dollars they send can't go straight to a disaster victim, but if it did, they would whine that there is no accountability. Accountability and efficient allocation of resources takes time and is very difficult. It is worth looking at the info Charity Navigator has on them, 3/4 stars and 91% of money going to programs instead of fundraising and administration. Also, the money collect for this disaster pays for the next one, otherwise they couldn't do anything for a long time.

People like to give money to hippie fiver person NGOs because they do "more direct" work, but don't actually have the resources and skills to do anything productive the way the Red Cross does.

I volunteer for the Red Cross so while I won't claim to be an objective source, I've seen the good work they do. Just last week I helped put up a guy in a hotel after his house burned down. Before that when a low income apartment complex lost power, we showed up with a mobile food unit and gave out free hot meals. Maybe other chapters are different, but here in Seattle I've seen a lot of good work done.
 
2011-04-03 06:07:13 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


Tzu Chi comes to mind.
 
2011-04-03 06:07:47 PM
Hmm, that's odd. Everyone in here is basically saying that charities are scams.

And yet these same people will turn around and tell you that charities will pick up the slack once we defund government social programs.

Hmm...
 
2011-04-03 06:07:50 PM
From wikipedia...

In the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks, the Red Cross, like many charitable organizations, solicited funds and blood donations for Red Cross activities for the victims of the attacks. Dr. Bernadine Healy, the president of the American Red Cross, appeared on telethons urging individuals to give generously....

Many donors felt that they had donated specifically to the victims of the September 11 attacks and objected to Healy's official plan for the diversion of funds. Survivors complained of the bureaucratic process involved in requesting funds and the slow delivery of the checks to meet immediate needs. Congressional hearings were called and New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer investigated the Red Cross. In the end, the American Red Cross appointed former U.S. senator George Mitchell to handle distribution of the funds...

Dr. Healy was forced to resign for her role in the situation, and the Red Cross pledged that all funds would go to directly benefit the victims of the September 11 attacks...


Healy received a severance payment of $1,569,630.
 
2011-04-03 06:07:55 PM

Nemo's Brother: Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.

Every hospital in the country is asking for blood. Couldn't they give the excess to them?

They are starting to sound like PETA for people.


They most likely did, blood is used on a local basis. There are some donors that are used on a national basis as needed for rare types, but a majority of blood is used locally. But, a lot of people who donated just for 9/11 may not have had acceptable blood that was usable. Risks for disease and such (malaria, HIV, etc).

As I said earlier, Satanic Hamster needs to site his source for the '90% of blood incinerated' comment. I was a regular blood donor back then (can't donate anymore, my blood can't be used by others any longer), and I'm sure many others were. The local need for blood is always massive just because of how quickly it goes bad. I think I remember someone telling me that it's only good for about four days. So getting a massive influx of regular donors is always needed.

Of course, the downside to donating blood is that it leaves your arms looking like you're a junkie. I started wearing my gallon blood donation pin around during the summer just because people thought I was a drug user, and I got tired of telling people that I was a regular blood donor. Actually almost got fired for it if I hadn't had my blood donor card in my wallet.
 
2011-04-03 06:08:16 PM
The Red Cross can't just show up. They are perpetually under the heels of national governments -- as this article states speficially re: Japan if you read past the first sentence... and before you go blaming the RC headquartered in Washington, DC, be reminded this is an international association and RC Japan has effectively Fark-all to do with RC America, which is itself as much a loosely flapping arm of government as Fannie and Freddie.
 
2011-04-03 06:08:19 PM
Fark the Red Cross.

You know what else is red? Communism.
 
2011-04-03 06:08:25 PM

whither_apophis: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Churchy LaFemme: I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge...

I heard that the Red Cross, in conjunction with Acorn and the Rand corporation, conspired to assassinate Abraham Lincoln

And in Islamic countries it's called the Red Cresent??
(whhargble goes here)

/The Red Cross has never made a secret that they allocate funds as they see fit and hold onto cash for when it's needed later
//it's good to be the CEO of a church or charity



symbols.cachefly.net

There's no profit like non-profit...
 
2011-04-03 06:08:25 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


Local charities usually need your time and effort. Start there.
 
2011-04-03 06:08:33 PM

Korovyov: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277 has numbers from their Form 990.


Get that bullsh*t statistics and evidence out of here. The only thing we want to hear is suspect anecdotals about friends of friends who got shafted and half-assed information that can't be proved.
 
2011-04-03 06:08:44 PM

mikdeetx: In other news: See pictures of men and women dressed up as superheroes from Megacon 2011


I saw that and wondered why they were lollygagging around at a convention when they could have been helping Japan.

2 Red Cross workers smoked my last cigarette.
kicked.
their.
asses.
 
2011-04-03 06:08:48 PM
Charity Navigator, as Korovyov mentioned above, helps you analyze the spending habits of charities. You can then choose which charity you think will make the best use of your donation.
 
2011-04-03 06:08:51 PM
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2011-04-03 06:09:27 PM

LavenderWolf: apachevoyeur: Fark... well if Red Cross is full of thieves and executives making $500k a year... how else can we help the Japanese? Buy more Playstations?

Hop on a flight to Japan and start cleaning up?


I've been through Narita maybe a dozen times and never stepped out of the airport (heading to-fro Singapore). Are there actually groups that you can join to help with cleanup? Do I need to wear my lead lined underoos?
 
2011-04-03 06:09:40 PM

GAT_00: The Red Cross has dispatched more than 200 emergency relief teams to the disaster zone and organized thousands of volunteers to assist victims.

Buried down in the article.


This is what I expected would happen with the money I sent in. Handing out cash at this point would help nobody.
 
2011-04-03 06:09:55 PM

henryhill:

Directly relating to 9/11, very little blood was actually needed. Overwhelmingly, if you were there and didnt die, chances were, you were perfectly fine.


Except for the inhaling part, but yeah. You can't give blood transfusions to bodies disintegrated by collapsing buildings. With the '20000 dead!' and 'worse than antietam!' hyperbole all day, nobody could know, though. We got farked in the ass that day; donating blood seemed like the proper thing to do, and the positive thing to do, instead of focusing on 'GLASS PARKING LOT!' and 'NUKE EM!' fantasies..... or committing hate crimes against muslims, and hindu. It was something to do. Giving your life's essence, not just your money. It was that important.

Damn, this is the 10th year anniversary. Where are we now? This is rather depressing.
 
2011-04-03 06:10:24 PM

Tachikoma: Nemo's Brother: Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.

Every hospital in the country is asking for blood. Couldn't they give the excess to them?

They are starting to sound like PETA for people.

They most likely did, blood is used on a local basis. There are some donors that are used on a national basis as needed for rare types, but a majority of blood is used locally. But, a lot of people who donated just for 9/11 may not have had acceptable blood that was usable. Risks for disease and such (malaria, HIV, etc).

As I said earlier, Satanic Hamster needs to site his source for the '90% of blood incinerated' comment. I was a regular blood donor back then (can't donate anymore, my blood can't be used by others any longer), and I'm sure many others were. The local need for blood is always massive just because of how quickly it goes bad. I think I remember someone telling me that it's only good for about four days. So getting a massive influx of regular donors is always needed.

Of course, the downside to donating blood is that it leaves your arms looking like you're a junkie. I started wearing my gallon blood donation pin around during the summer just because people thought I was a drug user, and I got tired of telling people that I was a regular blood donor. Actually almost got fired for it if I hadn't had my blood donor card in my wallet.

It's moot anyways.

9/11 did not create a big demand for blood. There was a huge outpouring of blood donations. The numbers are irrelevant, there was just too much. It's not like there's someone there going "Well, shiat, this guy needs blood but I'd rather incinerate it!"
 
2011-04-03 06:10:45 PM

James F. Campbell: Hmm, that's odd. Everyone in here is basically saying that charities are scams.

And yet these same people will turn around and tell you that charities will pick up the slack once we defund government social programs.

Hmm...


No, I think you have that wrong. They won't give to charities. They will just hand their money directly to people who need it. Remember, they know best how to give their money away.
 
2011-04-03 06:11:37 PM

apachevoyeur: Fark... well if Red Cross is full of thieves and executives making $500k a year... how else can we help the Japanese? Buy more Playstations?


Sogo Japan (new window)
Sogo Japan is a charitable endeavor committed to provide funds DIRECTLY to Japanese relief organizations battling the effects of the devastating earthquakes and tsunamis. The focus is to deliver the fastest delivery and greatest impact of our donations to the people of Japan.
 
2011-04-03 06:12:17 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.


The Red Cross specifically advertised, frequently, that their blood supplies were doing quite well post 9/11 and that they had no immediate need for whole blood.

You are intentionally passing along false information for no other reason than shiats and giggles. You are a terrible human being.
 
2011-04-03 06:12:23 PM

apachevoyeur: LavenderWolf: apachevoyeur: Fark... well if Red Cross is full of thieves and executives making $500k a year... how else can we help the Japanese? Buy more Playstations?

Hop on a flight to Japan and start cleaning up?

I've been through Narita maybe a dozen times and never stepped out of the airport (heading to-fro Singapore). Are there actually groups that you can join to help with cleanup? Do I need to wear my lead lined underoos?


I would imagine finding a useful way to spend time in Japan right now would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

/Not in Japan, not an expert
 
2011-04-03 06:12:33 PM

James F. Campbell: Hmm, that's odd. Everyone in here is basically saying that charities are scams.

And yet these same people will turn around and tell you that charities will pick up the slack once we defund government social programs.

Hmm...


I'm not seeing anyone say the latter, dude. And only some charities are scams. The good ones just do good works and aren't all over the tv and billboards and stuff.
 
2011-04-03 06:13:14 PM
I heard that Glenn Beck donated money to the Red Cross in 1990 for the shadowy purpose of "services rendered"
 
2011-04-03 06:13:37 PM
Every damn time.

And when I say the Red Cross is a scam, people demand to know what the hell I'm on.

Do NOT donate to the Red Cross. Period. They are and remain some of the biggest scam artists in the history.

Doctors without Borders is a good organization so far as I know. Donate to them.
 
2011-04-03 06:13:52 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: I'm not seeing anyone say the latter, dude. And only some charities are scams. The good ones just do good works and aren't all over the tv and billboards and stuff.


So charities can't advertise now? How are they supposed to get donors?
 
2011-04-03 06:14:32 PM
Breaking news from Twitter/NYT: "Experts estimate 7 tons of radioactive water is escaping hourly from Fukushima reactor No. 2"

Fukushima! Ni is 2 but Nee in Dutch means No... yep I'm not going.
 
2011-04-03 06:14:51 PM

Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Charity Navigator, as Korovyov mentioned above, helps you analyze the spending habits of charities. You can then choose which charity you think will make the best use of your donation.


Thank you both.
 
2011-04-03 06:14:56 PM
I would really like to give if I knew where my money was going. I get tired of giving to these causes only to find out that my money was never given to the intended. People suck.
 
2011-04-03 06:15:04 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.


Sounds like bullshiat to me, all Red Cross help is free. I've helped provide free food with them myself.

SharkTrager: When a big storm hit Houston the Red Cross showed up quickly to give aid.

By give aid I mean the arrived at a spot where the Salvation Army was feeding people flooded out of their homes, made sure their spokespeople were the ones interviewed with the Salvation Army crews actually doing the work in the background, and went to the victims asking for donations.


If true, I'll agree that is crap. ARC does work with Salvation Army cooperatively, at least in my experience I haven't seen anyone taking credit for other work. We are trained no refuse any money from "clients" (not supposed to call them victims) and tell them to get back on their feet and talk to the office at a later date if they feel the need to donate, we emphasize that all help is free. If the behavior you describe happens in other chapters, I agree that is inappropriate.

Shazam999: Yeah, they have something like a billion dollars from Haiti donations that's just sitting around.


In a place like Haiti it is very difficult to effectively spend money. You don't just throw it around, you need to make sure it is used productively. This is very difficult in the best circumstances and even more difficult in a place like Haiti where infrastructure and political systems are nonexistent or completely farked up. Red Cross typically tries to make it clear that setting aside money specifically for one disaster is stupid and ineffective. What if that money won't do any good? Do you just throw it around anyway? Or do you use it for the next disaster where it can help more people? The issues in Haiti are very long term and can't be solved by Red Cross alone.
 
2011-04-03 06:15:28 PM
This is how the Red Cross works... and always has. I don't see the problem.

They collect money now, some (at least) of which goes to the next disaster.

Imagine the practicality of not doing this... Japan is flattened... Red Cross takes a few months to collect and administer funds and buy / gather supplies, then they can ship them off to all the people who have died in the mean time...
 
2011-04-03 06:15:30 PM

LavenderWolf:

9/11 did not create a big demand for blood. There was a huge outpouring of blood donations. The numbers are irrelevant, there was just too much. It's not like there's someone there going "Well, shiat, this guy needs blood but I'd rather incinerate it!"


Yes, that is true. But I very much doubt 90% of it was getting chucked into the fire. That number is absurd. Maybe 90% at a single clinic in a tiny town, but in most of the States? There's no way they were chucking nearly all of it away.
 
2011-04-03 06:15:52 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


me.
 
2011-04-03 06:16:04 PM
My grandfather always said fark the Red Cross til the day he died. He just got out of Korea, trying to make his way home after serving his country, the RC "lent" him $5 to get home, made him fill out paperwork with his home address to where they could go about getting their money repaid etc.

Salvation Army on the other hand, helped him out greatly, fed him, and gave him money to get back home. It's why I always donate everything to them.

fark the Red Cross
 
2011-04-03 06:16:58 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.

Again, bullshiat. It's on you for proof, but I'll start you off.

Lots of bullshiat in here, fueled by the trolltastic headline.


Provided you had read my post, you would've noted that I was speaking of my own experiences, anecdotal as they are. It is what I have seen and watched occur, in person, right before me on several occasions at disparate locations. Some of who were spurned are people I've known many years and so know that something better didn't occur afterwards.

The RC is the only charity I've watched in action that put obtaining donations as their first priority, charged people needing help for the supplies they needed and turned others away who couldn't pay. All while the others gave freely to the needy and kept at it long after the reporters went away.

My personal experience, as I said, not an argument to convert the true believers or even the 'meh'. Am I to find proof of my experiences to convince myself or something?

Or were you demanding proof that they're good with blood? Well, I have none there beyond being a regular donor and thinking I'm doing some good.
 
2011-04-03 06:17:43 PM

Tachikoma: LavenderWolf:

9/11 did not create a big demand for blood. There was a huge outpouring of blood donations. The numbers are irrelevant, there was just too much. It's not like there's someone there going "Well, shiat, this guy needs blood but I'd rather incinerate it!"

Yes, that is true. But I very much doubt 90% of it was getting chucked into the fire. That number is absurd. Maybe 90% at a single clinic in a tiny town, but in most of the States? There's no way they were chucking nearly all of it away.


I'm just saying whatever number buddy pulled out of his ass is irrelevant. Mass outpouring of donations + no need for additional blood = some blood destroyed because it goes bad before use.
 
2011-04-03 06:17:55 PM

Pincy: ExperianScaresCthulhu: I'm not seeing anyone say the latter, dude. And only some charities are scams. The good ones just do good works and aren't all over the tv and billboards and stuff.

So charities can't advertise now? How are they supposed to get donors?


In your city, which charities are more likely to appear on the tv and on billboards? which will you most likely only find on a reference paper given out by a health care or government professional? I just mean that difference, not that charities don't advertise at all.
 
2011-04-03 06:21:34 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: 1. Put snakes on plane: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.

Again, bullshiat. It's on you for proof, but I'll start you off.

Lots of bullshiat in here, fueled by the trolltastic headline.

Provided you had read my post, you would've noted that I was speaking of my own experiences, anecdotal as they are. It is what I have seen and watched occur, in person, right before me on several occasions at disparate locations. Some of who were spurned are people I've known many years and so know that something better didn't occur afterwards.

The RC is the only charity I've watched in action that put obtaining donations as their first priority, charged people needing help for the supplies they needed and turned others away who couldn't pay. All while the others gave freely to the needy and kept at it long after the reporters went away.

My personal experience, as I said, not an argument to convert the true believers or even the 'meh'. Am I to find proof of my experiences to convince myself or something?

Or were you demanding proof that they're good with blood? Well, I have none there beyond being a regular donor and thinking I'm doing some good.


You sir, are a farking liar. Bring proof or STFU.
 
2011-04-03 06:22:06 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


I'm starting a halfway house for girls who go all the way if you'd like to contribute.
 
2011-04-03 06:22:25 PM

LavenderWolf: Tachikoma: LavenderWolf:

9/11 did not create a big demand for blood. There was a huge outpouring of blood donations. The numbers are irrelevant, there was just too much. It's not like there's someone there going "Well, shiat, this guy needs blood but I'd rather incinerate it!"

Yes, that is true. But I very much doubt 90% of it was getting chucked into the fire. That number is absurd. Maybe 90% at a single clinic in a tiny town, but in most of the States? There's no way they were chucking nearly all of it away.

I'm just saying whatever number buddy pulled out of his ass is irrelevant. Mass outpouring of donations + no need for additional blood = some blood destroyed because it goes bad before use.


Blood is used locally first. 9/11 victims might not have needed blood, but people in general did every day it was going on, and still do. Yes, some probably did get chucked from full banks, but a lot of blood did go to good use.
 
2011-04-03 06:22:37 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


I like Doctors Without Borders. They're in Japan helping out, though not currently accepting donations specifically ear-marked for Japan aid.
 
2011-04-03 06:22:51 PM

serpent_sky: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

Haiti, as well, I believe.

But they have a great campaign with the text message money. You almost feel guilty for not even doing something that simple, and they know it.


They also did it post 9-11, got slammed, had a bunch of people who had to resign, and another bunch of people who almost went to prison. They then pinkie swore that they would behave.

Most charities either are, or will eventually become, a piggy bank so that trust fund babies can get their inheritance with the fewest amount of money going to taxes. Why do you think every billionaire eventually donates all of his money to some big special fund? They only have to do enough window dressing works to keep people from asking questions.
 
2011-04-03 06:23:06 PM
Since we're on the topic of charities, what do you farkers think about the Avon Foundation? They do walks for breast cancer. I was going to donate but I'm a little hesitant since they are tied to Avon corporation.
 
2011-04-03 06:24:28 PM
Welcome to Fark, a place where people donate to charity so they can tell you how awesome they are, not because they give a fark about the people in need.
 
2011-04-03 06:25:02 PM

Tachikoma: LavenderWolf: Tachikoma: LavenderWolf:

9/11 did not create a big demand for blood. There was a huge outpouring of blood donations. The numbers are irrelevant, there was just too much. It's not like there's someone there going "Well, shiat, this guy needs blood but I'd rather incinerate it!"

Yes, that is true. But I very much doubt 90% of it was getting chucked into the fire. That number is absurd. Maybe 90% at a single clinic in a tiny town, but in most of the States? There's no way they were chucking nearly all of it away.

I'm just saying whatever number buddy pulled out of his ass is irrelevant. Mass outpouring of donations + no need for additional blood = some blood destroyed because it goes bad before use.

Blood is used locally first. 9/11 victims might not have needed blood, but people in general did every day it was going on, and still do. Yes, some probably did get chucked from full banks, but a lot of blood did go to good use.


Maybe you're not understanding me. The guy who made the initial claim of "omg blood waste 90%" is not only not supported by the evidence, but even if he were right, it is irrelevant.
 
2011-04-03 06:25:11 PM
Red Cross (like United Way) = Shyster organization. Hopefully they DIAMFF.
 
2011-04-03 06:26:12 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: You sir, are a farking liar. Bring proof or STFU.


Shrug

Well, you've shown your colors.

Were only I as omniscient as you...
 
2011-04-03 06:26:16 PM

ukexpat: And don't get me started on the scam of all scams that is United Way...


The enormous megaconglomerate I work for has for the past five years donated no money to any organization other than the United Way. If your local charity isn't United Way worthy, too bad.

That said, the other morning I answered the doorbell and a Red Cross worked barged into my kitchen and peed in my cheerios. I was flabbergasted to tell you the truth.
 
2011-04-03 06:26:59 PM
Japan doesn't need money.

Well, maybe if they got it all in 1 cent coins and dropped it on the reactor...

But their problem is not financial, it's a rich country.


I would like if the Red Cross used the money where it's needed, but they're bound to use it on Japan where it won't make a farking difference. Which is a waste, and I pity the fools who thought they helped by donating to Japan.
 
2011-04-03 06:27:21 PM

beer4breakfast: Since we're on the topic of charities, what do you farkers think about the Avon Foundation? They do walks for breast cancer. I was going to donate but I'm a little hesitant since they are tied to Avon corporation.


Breast cancer receives wildly disproportionate funds compared to other, more dangerous cancers. Avon is a pyramid scheme corporation.

/Wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw a Jerry Springer guest.
 
2011-04-03 06:27:23 PM

ThisNameSux: Welcome to Fark, a place where people donate to charity so they can tell you how awesome they are, not because they give a fark about the people in need.


Huh? when people donate, they want to make sure that their donations go to good use helping people on the ground, not to lining someone's pockets. charity mismanagement can hurt the impression potential donors have of all charities. that means less help on the ground. that's not cool.

none of that worry is about giving just to impress other people with one's giving.
 
2011-04-03 06:27:47 PM

LavenderWolf: I'm just saying whatever number buddy pulled out of his ass is irrelevant. Mass outpouring of donations + no need for additional blood = some blood destroyed because it goes bad before use.


Well, a good blood bank will look to sell as much of their surplus blood as possible in order to recuperate some of the cost of collecting and processing it. So while it seems likely that a higher percentage than usual was discarded immediately after 9/11 I'm guessing it is no where close to 90%.
 
2011-04-03 06:29:14 PM

randomjsa: Every damn time.

And when I say the Red Cross is a scam, people demand to know what the hell I'm on.

Do NOT donate to the Red Cross. Period. They are and remain some of the biggest scam artists in the history.

Doctors without Borders is a good organization so far as I know. Donate to them.


Okay, well as long as you're completely ignorant about doctors without borders, they must be trustworthy.
 
2011-04-03 06:29:20 PM
All these big box charities are out for themselves Im convinced
 
2011-04-03 06:29:20 PM

Rashnu: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

I like Doctors Without Borders. They're in Japan helping out, though not currently accepting donations specifically ear-marked for Japan aid.


Just make sure to get on their no-mail list... otherwise they will send you a tree's worth of mail each year.
 
2011-04-03 06:29:53 PM
As someone who donated his entire tax return to the Japanese relief effort, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2011-04-03 06:31:33 PM

stuhayes2010: Gosh, I guess they should just fly over Japan and just throw money out the plane's windows.


Yes, I'm sure everyone here who has a problem with the Red Cross holding 1 billion in donations want to throw the money away by plane, you stupid farker.
 
2011-04-03 06:32:25 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk
"It would be glib of us to not send our charities!"
 
2011-04-03 06:32:58 PM

gaspode: The article is odd. Why would someone giving money to something like the red cross expect it to be given DIRECTLY, ie as money, to victims? I would expect money given to an organisation like that to be spent on supplies and medical/rescue etc etc not given out as cash.

Or am I missing something?


You're missing the Orlando Sentinel's need to sell papers.
 
2011-04-03 06:33:26 PM

whither_apophis: And in Islamic countries it's called the Red Cresent??


And in Israel, it's the Israeli Red Star of David (Magen David Adom). It only took 50 years for the IRC to recognize them and let them in as a member organization.
 
2011-04-03 06:33:37 PM

beer4breakfast: Since we're on the topic of charities, what do you farkers think about the Avon Foundation? They do walks for breast cancer. I was going to donate but I'm a little hesitant since they are tied to Avon corporation.


Walks for awareness? Feh. American women already generally drastically overestimate their risk of breast cancer. Awareness isn't a problem. This has been true for years. Coronary heart disease remains the leading cause of death for American women, beating all forms of cancer combined overall and most ethnic groups.
 
2011-04-03 06:33:55 PM

Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.


Kicked.
Their.
Asses.
 
2011-04-03 06:34:16 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: ThisNameSux: Welcome to Fark, a place where people donate to charity so they can tell you how awesome they are, not because they give a fark about the people in need.

Huh? when people donate, they want to make sure that their donations go to good use helping people on the ground, not to lining someone's pockets. charity mismanagement can hurt the impression potential donors have of all charities. that means less help on the ground. that's not cool.

none of that worry is about giving just to impress other people with one's giving.


This.
 
2011-04-03 06:34:52 PM

LavenderWolf:
Maybe you're not understanding me. The guy who made the initial claim of "omg blood waste 90%" is not only not supported by the evidence, but even if he were right, it is irrelevant.


Cite your farking sources, alt asshole.
 
2011-04-03 06:37:00 PM

Tachikoma: LavenderWolf:
Maybe you're not understanding me. The guy who made the initial claim of "omg blood waste 90%" is not only not supported by the evidence, but even if he were right, it is irrelevant.

Cite your farking sources, alt asshole.


What the hell are you talking about?
 
2011-04-03 06:39:20 PM
The problem with blood donations around 9/11 was that there was so many donors with diseases. Some days it would take hours doing the requisite paperwork for them. These people didn't want to give money or help so they donated whole blood. They didn't listen when everyone said don't come in to donate. Cops had to be called several times when people were deferred because we stopped their god given right to spread disease. The worst thing is that platelets donations were down and no one would donate those.
 
2011-04-03 06:40:11 PM

Korovyov: beer4breakfast: Since we're on the topic of charities, what do you farkers think about the Avon Foundation? They do walks for breast cancer. I was going to donate but I'm a little hesitant since they are tied to Avon corporation.

Walks for awareness? Feh. American women already generally drastically overestimate their risk of breast cancer. Awareness isn't a problem. This has been true for years. Coronary heart disease remains the leading cause of death for American women, beating all forms of cancer combined overall and most ethnic groups.


My aunt is doing the walk so while it might not be the best way to donate to a health issue it isn't a purely practical choice. I was just wondering if anybody heard of any sketchy stories on the Avon Foundation. What I've read on the Red Cross has already convinced me never to donate to them. There are a lot more worthy organizations for international relief.
 
2011-04-03 06:40:29 PM
All charities are scams in one way or another.

Some just have a higher level of scamminess.
 
2011-04-03 06:40:35 PM
The image in TFA looks like part of a ransom demand. "Hold up the paper so we can prove today's date."



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2011-04-03 06:40:45 PM

Lone Stranger: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

I'm starting a halfway house for girls who go all the way if you'd like to contribute.



Why would anyone want to go halfway?
 
2011-04-03 06:40:49 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Huh? when people donate, they want to make sure that their donations go to good use helping people on the ground, not to lining someone's pockets. charity mismanagement can hurt the impression potential donors have of all charities. that means less help on the ground. that's not cool.


So the American Red Cross is lining their pockets with donation money? Go do some research and get back with me. Hold on, I'll save you the time, 91.8% of all donations to the Red Cross go to helping the needy. That's pretty damn impressive for such a large organization.
 
2011-04-03 06:41:03 PM

Tachikoma: Of course, the downside to donating blood is that it leaves your arms looking like you're a junkie.


I thought you could only donate once every other month... the needle wound closes up in a couple of days, at least for me.

I'm missing something here.
 
2011-04-03 06:42:44 PM

Tachikoma: LavenderWolf:
Maybe you're not understanding me. The guy who made the initial claim of "omg blood waste 90%" is not only not supported by the evidence, but even if he were right, it is irrelevant.

Cite your farking sources, alt asshole.


Seriously I'm WTFing here. This account's been actively used since june 2004. That would be an impressive display of trollsmanship if I were an alt. Further, you and I don't even disagree. I have no idea what the hell your problem with me is. You have been responding to me with hostility for no reason.
 
2011-04-03 06:44:20 PM
From a RAND Corp. Study of 9/11 "Killed or Seriously Injured Civilians. The attacks killed 2,551 civilians (i.e., non-emergency-response personnel) and seriously injured another 215. The vast majority of these victims and their families sought compensation through the VCF. This group received a total of $8.7 billion in benefits, or an average of $3.1 million per recipient. Sixty-nine percent of the benefits came from the government, 23 percent from insurance, and 8 percent from charities."

Are you really going to give the Red Cross a hard time for wanting to save some of that money for a less $exy disaster?
 
2011-04-03 06:45:59 PM
The Red Cross in the UK set up a special tsunami fund which I donated to. I'll be very annoyed if that has not been distributed and instead siphoned off somewhere else. Anyone got any more reliable alternatives to RC ???
 
2011-04-03 06:46:37 PM

hardinparamedic: Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.

Bullshiat.


As someone that volunteered for the Red Cross during Katrina, I also call bullshiat. Salvation Army, Southern Baptist Convention, and the Red Cross were operating logistics from an old, empty Wal-Mart building in Baton Rouge. If one group was closer to the area, they were deployed there. It was a joint effort. A ton of the Red Cross supplies were served at churches (they have huge kitchens), some was delivered and served by the Red Cross trucks, some from the Salvation Army trucks, and some from random vans. I think there was also a biker group that did deliveries/kitchens. We didn't care who brought it or who served it.

If you got food, it was likely it came from a Red Cross or FEMA warehouse. If you got clothes, it was from Salvation Army (RC will not do clothes for whatever reason). Other supplies came from everywhere.

That said there was some waste\wackiness as you couldn't let food drop below a certain temperature (140 Fahrenheit I think). No reheats. So if there was someone complaining about the food from the Red Cross, it was about that. They probably wanted their name taken off it so they didn't get sued for food poisoning.

There was a lot of people unofficially handing out food that wasn't consumed that day and writing it off as being destroyed. There were also folks that were sticklers that if food was suspected of dropping below 140, whole line was dumped.

Another odd note - the Southern Baptist Convention rep in my logistics area had to deal with people refusing to take canned water because it was canned by a brewery. After a few face-palms, he said "I wish I could have a beer."

There were a lot of shenanigans by Red Cross workers though. After the initial deployment, they simply ran out of people properly trained and started sending people that took only couple day training classes. Some would get flown there and then get sent immediately back for asshattery of some sort.

Also, we weren't allowed to comment to any reporter on anything unless a special press rep was there. No defending the Red Cross, no slamming it. If you said anything you were sent home.

I have no clue how the Red Cross works on the large scale or internationally, so monetary donations are something I know nothing about. I just dealt with getting food and water and some random other items to various kitchens and shelters.
 
2011-04-03 06:47:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.

Bullshiat.


No, it's really not. I've seen this happen three different times with members of the Red Cross demanding that all aid within a certain area be put under their direct supervision. If anyone refuses, the Red Cross expects them to be shut down and asked to leave. In one instance they flat out refused to let their trucks approach the site until the local emergency management coordinator placed the Salvation Army, which was already there and working, under Red Cross "guidance". The organization is a well known bully in emergency management and the only reason they get away with it is because they have friends in high places.

fark the Red Cross.
 
2011-04-03 06:50:10 PM

ThisNameSux: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Huh? when people donate, they want to make sure that their donations go to good use helping people on the ground, not to lining someone's pockets. charity mismanagement can hurt the impression potential donors have of all charities. that means less help on the ground. that's not cool.

So the American Red Cross is lining their pockets with donation money? Go do some research and get back with me. Hold on, I'll save you the time, 91.8% of all donations to the Red Cross go to helping the needy. That's pretty damn impressive for such a large organization.


Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?

Here's another scam. The American Cancer Society Relay For Life. I got paid for DJing the event, and that covered my assistants, not me.
 
2011-04-03 06:51:21 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

Post 9/11 too. Over 3bil donated. Only 3.2 mil allocated for recovery and assistance.
 
2011-04-03 06:52:02 PM
beer4breakfast:
My aunt is doing the walk so while it might not be the best way to donate to a health issue it isn't a purely practical choice. I was just wondering if anybody heard of any sketchy stories on the Avon Foundation. What I've read on the Red Cross has already convinced me never to donate to them. There are a lot more worthy organizations for international relief.


Fair enough. I was unduly harsh and not really answering your question in that post, which was unhelpful of me.

CN doesn't evaluate them yet (apparently they don't until they have 4+ years of 990's, and the Avon Foundation was a private group exempt from filing until lately.)

http://www.avonfoundation.org/financials.html lists their stated financials.

http://www.avonfoundation.org/assets/2009-irs-990-final-fr-odmd-pdf-by-nd-0512 10 .pdf goes to their 990 for '09.

The handy-dandy pie chart they put up (doesn't say what year) says that they only 71% of budget is for programs; %3 goes to administrative overhead and 26% goes back to fundraising. For comparison, they're not nearly as bad as say, the Disabled Veterans Foundation, which basically funnels all the money straight to the fundraisers; but not nearly as good as e.g. The Rotary Foundation (~7.4% fundraising, 4.1% admin) or the the American Red Cross.
 
2011-04-03 06:52:41 PM
Well, I'm glad I never give a dime to disaster relief. Thanks for justifying my miserliness.
 
2011-04-03 06:53:08 PM

LavenderWolf: Tachikoma: LavenderWolf:
Maybe you're not understanding me. The guy who made the initial claim of "omg blood waste 90%" is not only not supported by the evidence, but even if he were right, it is irrelevant.

Cite your farking sources, alt asshole.

Seriously I'm WTFing here. This account's been actively used since june 2004. That would be an impressive display of trollsmanship if I were an alt. Further, you and I don't even disagree. I have no idea what the hell your problem with me is. You have been responding to me with hostility for no reason.



Possibly a simple communications problem.
Misunderstandings happen.
Surely you guys will work it out amicably. :-)
 
2011-04-03 06:54:11 PM

jwbchuckd: The problem with blood donations around 9/11 was that there was so many donors with diseases. Some days it would take hours doing the requisite paperwork for them. These people didn't want to give money or help so they donated whole blood. They didn't listen when everyone said don't come in to donate. Cops had to be called several times when people were deferred because we stopped their god given right to spread disease. The worst thing is that platelets donations were down and no one would donate those.


Sounds like a long process. The paperwork from platelet donation sounds like it would take as long a time, if not longer. From the wiki:


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Platelet donation

After a short physical examination, the donor is taken into the donation room and sits in a chair next to the machine. The technician cleans one or both arms with iodine, or other disinfectant, and inserts the catheter into a vein in the arm. With some procedures both arms are used, one to draw blood and the other to return it. The process takes about one to two hours while blood is pulled into the machine, mixed with an anticoagulant such as sodium citrate spun around, and returned to the donor. "Double needle" procedures using both arms tend to be shorter since the blood is drawn and returned through different catheters, with "single needle" procedures a set volume is drawn and processed in the first part of the cycle and returned in the second part. The donor's blood undertakes 3-4 cycles of draw and return.

Side effects of the donation of platelets generally fall into three categories: blood pressure changes, problems with vein access, and effects of the returned anticoagulant. Blood pressure changes can sometimes cause nausea, fatigue, and dizziness. Venous access problems can cause bruising, referred to as a hematoma. While donating, the lips may begin to tingle or there may be a metallic taste; a supply of calcium antacid tablets is usually kept close by because the anticoagulant works by binding to the calcium in the blood. Since calcium is used in the operation of the nervous system, nerve-ending-dense areas (such as the lips) are susceptible to the tingling. The donation process can also cause more serious problems such as fainting, and nerve irritation.[citation needed] These problems are extremely rare, but apheresis donors are typically not allowed to sleep during the long donation process so that they can be monitored.[citation needed]

Aside from the procedure, donating platelets is different from donating blood in a few ways.

Firstly, the donor must not take aspirin or other anti-platelet medications for anywhere from 36 to 72 hours prior to donation. (Guidelines vary by blood center.) The reason for this is that aspirin can prevent platelets from adhering. Some blood centers also prohibit the taking of any NSAID (non-steroidal-anti-inflammatory-drug) for 36 hours prior. Other medications such as clopidogrel (Plavix) may also affect platelet function and may affect donor eligibility.

Secondly, one is generally allowed to donate platelets anywhere from every 3-28 days. This is a stark contrast to whole-blood donation, which has an eight-week (or longer) waiting period between donations. Along those lines, since platelet donation does temporarily remove whole-blood from the body, it may become necessary to wait eight weeks after a whole blood donation to donate platelets. In the US, a donor is only allowed to donate 24 times each year and may not lose more red blood cells or plasma in a year than they would from the maximum allowable number of whole blood donations.

Thirdly, additional tests may be required before becoming a donor for the first time. These tests are used to establish a platelet count, and also possibly to determine the donor's compatibility with particular recipients through an HLA (Human Leukocyte Antigen) test. Multiparous women may be excluded from becoming donors due to heightened TRALI risk. The tests usually involve nothing more involved than the drawing of several tubes of blood.

---------

I don't know anything about it. How is platelet donation easier than regular blood donation, in real lie? What are the usual 'you cannot donates' for platelet donation, not covered above? Can gays donate platelets?
 
2011-04-03 06:55:27 PM
People need to donate to "the Human Fund". Their motto is "money for people"
 
2011-04-03 06:55:52 PM

mikdeetx: ThisNameSux: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Huh? when people donate, they want to make sure that their donations go to good use helping people on the ground, not to lining someone's pockets. charity mismanagement can hurt the impression potential donors have of all charities. that means less help on the ground. that's not cool.

So the American Red Cross is lining their pockets with donation money? Go do some research and get back with me. Hold on, I'll save you the time, 91.8% of all donations to the Red Cross go to helping the needy. That's pretty damn impressive for such a large organization.

Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?

Here's another scam. The American Cancer Society Relay For Life. I got paid for DJing the event, and that covered my assistants, not me.


Red Cross execs are generally of the professional level that they could be execs at a publicly traded company. So of course it makes sense that they should except a pittance of a salary and drive a Hyundai. Just for appearances.

Because it doesn't matter how well they drive additional fund raising growth or how well they allocate funds to accomplish relief goals. What matters is appearance.
 
2011-04-03 06:56:03 PM
This is the organization I used to donate to Japan. Japan Society Earthquake Fund (new window)

They operate on a much lower overhead than Red Cross and 100% of the proceeds go directly to Japan for relief efforts.

Don't knock Red Cross too much. Their logic is sound when they say there are a lot of worthwhile causes that don't get tv exposure and thus get very little direct funding. A large organization like the Red Cross has quite a few logistical hoops to jump through.
 
2011-04-03 06:56:04 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: I don't know anything about it. How is platelet donation easier than regular blood donation, in real lie? What are the usual 'you cannot donates' for platelet donation, not covered above? Can gays donate platelets?



Can they not donate blood?
 
2011-04-03 06:57:20 PM

Rapmaster2000: Well, I'm glad I never give a dime to disaster relief. Thanks for justifying my miserlinesscommon sense and refusal to have my sympathies played upon.


FFaccuracy
 
2011-04-03 06:57:47 PM
Are the making Japan pay for the donuts?
 
2011-04-03 06:58:08 PM

BreezyWheeze: Yeah I haven't given a thin dime to the Red Cross since a whole slew of articles came out about mismanagement, waste, and fraud some time back in the mid-90's. I shifted my charitable contributions to organizations that do more long-term capacity building. Things like OxFam, Bill and Melinda Gates, etc. etc.


I heard nothing but bad about them back in the early 60s. Things don't change.
 
2011-04-03 06:58:54 PM
toychop.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-04-03 06:59:15 PM

Farker T: Can they not donate blood?


Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.
 
2011-04-03 06:59:47 PM

AbbeySomeone: Rapmaster2000: Well, I'm glad I never give a dime to disaster relief. Thanks for justifying my miserlinesscommon sense and refusal to have my sympathies played upon.

FFaccuracy


Good point. If your house floods or some shiat, it's your own dumb fault for living near water.

Why should I feel sorry for some dumb foreigner who probably doesn't even believe in Jesus. They should be blaming themselves for not bargaining for The Lord's protection.
 
2011-04-03 06:59:54 PM

mandingueiro: People need to donate to "the Human Fund". Their motto is "money for people"



"and chicks for free"?
 
2011-04-03 07:00:44 PM

gaspode: The article is odd. Why would someone giving money to something like the red cross expect it to be given DIRECTLY, ie as money, to victims? I would expect money given to an organisation like that to be spent on supplies and medical/rescue etc etc not given out as cash.

Or am I missing something?


It sounds like they're confusing two things - general aid to pay for rescue and rebuilding and various services (which has gone out, as the article mentions, teams are doing work) and then direct monetary aid to victims (including that which will come from the government).

The direct cash rebuilding assistance aid hasn't been distributed, and there's been some criticism of that (since it was faster after the Hanshin-Awaji quake disaster) but there ARE actual issues in deciding just how to distribute it, it very much isn't "everyone gets the same X amount."

Thing is, the disaster is so much larger than the Hanshin-Awaji disaster, and there's more crap that needs to get cleaned out before a lot of work can even start (notably, the the building of temporary housing - they have to find land for it all, get that area cleared, etc) so a direct comparison is kinda unfair.

...which is kinda apart from just Red Cross issues, but there ya have it.
 
2011-04-03 07:01:35 PM

ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.



Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?
 
2011-04-03 07:04:03 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu


I donated platelets in high school and was able to do it every week or every other week. It took about an hour and a half, usually you sat in a dentist like chair and watched a movie. I suspect they mean it's easier in that you don't really feel like you gave fluids, and the platelets return in a few days. Donating whole blood can leave you feeling a little worse for the wear.
 
2011-04-03 07:04:08 PM
Very Katrina-esque of the Red Cross once again. Just remember that the money collected today does NOT go to today's disaster. It goes into the "pool of 'relief' money" for tomorrows disaster.

I'm quite certain that the grand I donated for Katrina relief bought a lot of fund raiser parties or at least contributed to one.

If you want to be charitable in time of need house and feed a displaced family or help in person.

Almost ALL charities are a scam. 99% of donations to admin. costs 1% to the needy.
 
2011-04-03 07:04:32 PM

Korovyov: beer4breakfast:
My aunt is doing the walk so while it might not be the best way to donate to a health issue it isn't a purely practical choice. I was just wondering if anybody heard of any sketchy stories on the Avon Foundation. What I've read on the Red Cross has already convinced me never to donate to them. There are a lot more worthy organizations for international relief.

Fair enough. I was unduly harsh and not really answering your question in that post, which was unhelpful of me.

CN doesn't evaluate them yet (apparently they don't until they have 4+ years of 990's, and the Avon Foundation was a private group exempt from filing until lately.)

http://www.avonfoundation.org/financials.html lists their stated financials.

http://www.avonfoundation.org/assets/2009-irs-990-final-fr-odmd-pdf-by-nd-0512 10 .pdf goes to their 990 for '09.

The handy-dandy pie chart they put up (doesn't say what year) says that they only 71% of budget is for programs; %3 goes to administrative overhead and 26% goes back to fundraising. For comparison, they're not nearly as bad as say, the Disabled Veterans Foundation, which basically funnels all the money straight to the fundraisers; but not nearly as good as e.g. The Rotary Foundation (~7.4% fundraising, 4.1% admin) or the the American Red Cross.


Thanks!
 
2011-04-03 07:04:56 PM
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2011-04-03 07:05:08 PM

Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?


Now you're just conflating two notions of permission. Under the rules, such a person is not permitted to donate. In a physical instance, one might be "permitted" to donate by employing deception.
 
2011-04-03 07:07:21 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Sounds like a long process. The paperwork from platelet donation sounds like it would take as long a time, if not longer.

-------- ...


The funny thing is the paperwork is pretty standard for what you donate and pretty streamlined. The actual donation time is about a hour because the machine has to centrifuge the platelets from the whole blood.
 
2011-04-03 07:10:54 PM
Wow. Lots of money-grubbing assholes in here looking for excuses not to donate. Organizations like the Red Cross always use money raised from the previous disaster to pay for the next one. Carry on with the hate, though. It accomplishes more than the Red Cross ever could apparently.
 
2011-04-03 07:11:43 PM
Churchy LaFemme 2011-04-03 05:53:41 PM
I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge..."
================================================================
I throwed a woman out my bed and house for doing that.

Giving to any charity org is just burning your money.
You give directly to your poor neighbors, withdraw help if they won't stop drinking.

What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.
 
2011-04-03 07:13:20 PM

ZoeNekros: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

Now you're just conflating two notions of permission. Under the rules, such a person is not permitted to donate. In a physical instance, one might be "permitted" to donate by employing deception.



The 'liar' comment was sarcasm.

Wow. Honestly had no idea.

Understandable, I suppose. High risk group and all...
 
2011-04-03 07:14:42 PM

mikdeetx: Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?


How much should an executive at what amounts to a large corporation be paid? Hell, I'm far from rich and could drive a 40k car if I wanted.
 
2011-04-03 07:17:28 PM

JSTACAT: Churchy LaFemme 2011-04-03 05:53:41 PM
I heard that the Red Cross drank the last of the milk and put the empty carton back in the fridge..."
================================================================
I throwed a woman out my bed and house for doing that.

Giving to any charity org is just burning your money.
You give directly to your poor neighbors, withdraw help if they won't stop drinking.

What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.



The 'Piles'???
 
2011-04-03 07:18:53 PM

ThisNameSux: mikdeetx: Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?

How much should an executive at what amounts to a large corporation be paid? Hell, I'm far from rich and could drive a 40k car if I wanted.


Well, la-dee-da. Look at the rich guy who can afford a Honda Odyssey. Sorry Richie Rich, but some of us are still paying off Citations.

upload.wikimedia.org

Only seven more EZ payments and this sweet ride is all mine.
 
2011-04-03 07:19:22 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org
 
2011-04-03 07:20:04 PM

Farker T: The 'Piles'???


I'm guessing he's referring to Fukushima, in his own irrational, skewed, and slightly insane way.
 
2011-04-03 07:20:28 PM
The Red Cross drank all my beer and then flushed the toilet while I was in the shower.
 
2011-04-03 07:20:48 PM

Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org


Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs.
 
2011-04-03 07:21:37 PM

Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?


yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.
 
2011-04-03 07:21:42 PM

Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org

Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs.


LOL.

No, they won't.

It really is an outstanding organization.
 
2011-04-03 07:22:52 PM
According to the

Korovyov: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277 has numbers from their Form 990.


Also, The American Institute of Philanthropy (www.charitywatch.org) ranks The American Red Cross as A-.

Which is pretty impressive for a horrible, mismanaged and wasteful organization.
 
2011-04-03 07:22:59 PM

Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org

Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs people that make RVs that have cancer.


FTFY.

: )
 
2011-04-03 07:24:54 PM
This thread is full of all kinds of wrong. First off, the Red Cross has NEVER charged for rendering services or aid. Someone above said ARC was selling sammiches. Total BS.

I have been a disaster services with the ARC for almost ten years. I don't give them money, I give them time.

the ARC is not a scam. We are non profit, and do not receive a penny from the Fed, either.

Yes, we stockpile money and supplies. It is why you call us in a disaster. Right now, we have food and blankets and money ready this very second in case of a disaster. So, we can't wait until fundraising. So, let's say we come help you with a house fire and you see fit to donate us something. That is great, it goes to help the next person. So, when you throw the term 'stockpiling' around, you are right. that is EXACTLY our job in life... so stockpile.

We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself. If people were making a killing working for the ARC
Stop biatching and go do something for your community. Don't trust organizations? Fine, walk around and pick up trash by yourself. Do something with your life besides sitting on the internet and complaining about the others who are out there helping.
 
2011-04-03 07:25:02 PM

microlith: Farker T: The 'Piles'???

I'm guessing he's referring to Fukushima, in his own irrational, skewed, and slightly insane way.



Oh, that's a relief.

I was afraid Japan had been plagued with hemorrhoids.
 
2011-04-03 07:26:23 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


At best they would make it one year from the last gay sexual session. You cant donate if you lived in a mad cow endemic area. I think haiti is still a time based deferral not lifetime like england in the 80 and 90s. And you can donate if you paid for a hooker if you wait a year from the last time.
 
2011-04-03 07:27:03 PM

Grables'Daughter: Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org

Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs people that make RVs that have cancer.

FTFY.

: )


Speaking of RVs and cancer, because he recently died, if you've never seen Winnebago Man, you should.

Hilarious, but so NSFW language (new window)
 
2011-04-03 07:30:43 PM

finnished: According to theKorovyov: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3277 has numbers from their Form 990.

Also, The American Institute of Philanthropy (www.charitywatch.org) ranks The American Red Cross as A-.

Which is pretty impressive for a horrible, mismanaged and wasteful organization.


Truly history's greatest monster.
 
2011-04-03 07:30:45 PM

The Baron: This thread is full of all kinds of wrong. First off, the Red Cross has NEVER charged for rendering services or aid. Someone above said ARC was selling sammiches. Total BS.

I have been a disaster services with the ARC for almost ten years. I don't give them money, I give them time.

the ARC is not a scam. We are non profit, and do not receive a penny from the Fed, either.

Yes, we stockpile money and supplies. It is why you call us in a disaster. Right now, we have food and blankets and money ready this very second in case of a disaster. So, we can't wait until fundraising. So, let's say we come help you with a house fire and you see fit to donate us something. That is great, it goes to help the next person. So, when you throw the term 'stockpiling' around, you are right. that is EXACTLY our job in life... so stockpile.

We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself. If people were making a killing working for the ARC
Stop biatching and go do something for your community. Don't trust organizations? Fine, walk around and pick up trash by yourself. Do something with your life besides sitting on the internet and complaining about the others who are out there helping.


But some of them drive $40,000 dollar cars! That's like one and a half Accords! And they didn't even pay me to play records! They paid my assistants to hand records to me, but not me. After all of the advanced training I've completed to learn to play records you think that I would receive a payment congruent with my skill level. Well not according to the big shots at ARC.
 
2011-04-03 07:31:47 PM

Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: Rapmaster2000: Grables'Daughter: flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?

United Cancer Services of Elkhart County.

www.Elkhartcancer.org

Bah, they'll just blow it all on RVs people that make RVs that have cancer.

FTFY.

: )

Speaking of RVs and cancer, because he recently died, if you've never seen Winnebago Man, you should.

Hilarious, but so NSFW language (new window)


Oh yes, EVERYONE that lives in Elkhart has seen that video.

Any idea if he was from Elkhart?

Now go and donate to United Cancer at www.ElkhartCancer.org!

BIE to all who do!

: )
 
2011-04-03 07:32:31 PM
Red Cross sold coffee and donuts to wives and children of SEABEE(Navy construction troops) after Camille hit Gulfport, Mississippi in 1969. FARK. They were at the SEABEE Base and their husbands were deployed to Vietnam. Gulfport was my first duty station and that experience has saved me ever having to donate anything to the Red Cross in my whole life. Salvation Army is where it is at.
 
2011-04-03 07:33:26 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.



Well, that last one pretty much excludes all adult females. ;-)


This all sounds so 1980's - back then they called AIDS the "Four H Club", because it was primarily affecting Haitians, Homosexual, Hemophiliacs and Heroin users. I honestly thought we were beyond that.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


No, I've never donated - mostly because the thought that my blood might possibly end up in some Jehovah's Witness really creeps me out.
 
2011-04-03 07:34:40 PM
We were working in a tent city in Haiti that hadn't had ANY aid. We brought in a medical team, but they also needed tents / food / water.

We broadcasted our coordinates and soon a Red Cross team showed up to survey the area, but refused to help as long as we were there because they don't "partner" with other organizations. We told them we didn't want to partner, we just wanted them to provide whatever aid they could outside of medical (since we were already providing medical).;..

but they refused and never returned.
 
2011-04-03 07:36:07 PM
You're a lazy ignorant fool if you give money to charities. You need to get your fat ass of the couch and sacrifice a couple of hours of cartoon time to go and make a difference.
 
2011-04-03 07:36:11 PM

SnakeMittens: Red Cross sold coffee and donuts to wives and children of SEABEE(Navy construction troops) after Camille hit Gulfport, Mississippi in 1969. FARK. They were at the SEABEE Base and their husbands were deployed to Vietnam. Gulfport was my first duty station and that experience has saved me ever having to donate anything to the Red Cross in my whole life. Salvation Army is where it is at.



From what I've seen, they're a decent outfit.
 
2011-04-03 07:36:53 PM

The Baron: This thread is full of all kinds of wrong. First off, the Red Cross has NEVER charged for rendering services or aid. Someone above said ARC was selling sammiches. Total BS.

I have been a disaster services with the ARC for almost ten years. I don't give them money, I give them time.

the ARC is not a scam. We are non profit, and do not receive a penny from the Fed, either.

Yes, we stockpile money and supplies. It is why you call us in a disaster. Right now, we have food and blankets and money ready this very second in case of a disaster. So, we can't wait until fundraising. So, let's say we come help you with a house fire and you see fit to donate us something. That is great, it goes to help the next person. So, when you throw the term 'stockpiling' around, you are right. that is EXACTLY our job in life... so stockpile.

We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself. If people were making a killing working for the ARC
Stop biatching and go do something for your community. Don't trust organizations? Fine, walk around and pick up trash by yourself. Do something with your life besides sitting on the internet and complaining about the others who are out there helping.


THAT, sir, is an outstanding post.

Thank you for the information, thank you for the plug for your charity, and thank you for kicking Farkers in the butt!
 
2011-04-03 07:38:04 PM

pippi longstocking: You're a lazy ignorant fool if you give money to charities. You need to get your fat ass of the couch and sacrifice a couple of hours of cartoon time to go and make a difference.


Ya, everybody pack up and get on over to Japan.
 
2011-04-03 07:40:02 PM
My grandfather, deceased now, remembers the GIs being charged for coffee by the red cross during WWII. This was in Europe.
 
2011-04-03 07:41:23 PM

mrlewish: My grandfather, deceased now, remembers the GIs being charged for coffee by the red cross during WWII. This was in Europe.


Hmmmmmm... Sounds like your grandfather, God rest his soul, would get into one heck of an Internet fight with The Baron, above.

/virgule
 
2011-04-03 07:42:32 PM
We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself.

Per Charity Navigator, American Red Cross executives annual compensation:

Gail J. McGovern President, CEO $446,867
James Hrouda EVP, Biomedical Services $566,629
Mary Elcano General Counsel, $480,880

None of those numbers include perqs or deferred benefits.
 
2011-04-03 07:43:37 PM

Omnivorous: We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself.

Per Charity Navigator, American Red Cross executives annual compensation:

Gail J. McGovern President, CEO $446,867
James Hrouda EVP, Biomedical Services $566,629
Mary Elcano General Counsel, $480,880

None of those numbers include perqs or deferred benefits.


State your point.
 
2011-04-03 07:45:13 PM

randomjsa: Every damn time.

And when I say the Red Cross is a scam, people demand to know what the hell I'm on.

Do NOT donate to the Red Cross. Period. They are and remain some of the biggest scam artists in the history.

Doctors without Borders is a good organization so far as I know. Donate to them.


Holy shiat, I never thought I would agree with randomjsa on something...my head feels like it's going to explode.

When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.

/Yeah CSB.
 
2011-04-03 07:45:57 PM

Omnivorous: We are almost entirely run by volunteers, like myself.

Per Charity Navigator, American Red Cross executives annual compensation:

Gail J. McGovern President, CEO $446,867
James Hrouda EVP, Biomedical Services $566,629
Mary Elcano General Counsel, $480,880

None of those numbers include perqs or deferred benefits.


"Almost entirely" is not the same as "entirely." ARC had a budget of $3.5 billion in 2010. You think volunteers can run that by themselves? Executive compensation is a slippery slope, but I don't think those numbers are out of line for such a large organization.
 
2011-04-03 07:46:59 PM

Necrosis: Executive compensation is a slippery slope, but I don't think those numbers are out of line for such a large organization.


Yeah they are, actually. They are way too small. Tip of the hat to them.
 
2011-04-03 07:47:00 PM

sillydragon:
When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.

/Yeah CSB.


Wahhh....they didn't give me enough free money!
 
2011-04-03 07:47:31 PM
Wasn't here a story on a charity here a while back that a nickel on the dollar was making it to those it was for?

Why the Red Cross still?
 
2011-04-03 07:48:32 PM

Churchy LaFemme:
I also heard that the Red Cross shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.



That was me. My bad.
 
2011-04-03 07:48:42 PM
Farker T 2011-04-03 07:25:02 PM
microlith: Farker T: The 'Piles'???

I'm guessing he's referring to Fukushima, in his own irrational, skewed, and slightly insane way.


Oh, that's a relief.

I was afraid Japan had been plagued with hemorrhoids.
=================================================================
// That too, its one of the symptoms of eating radioactive particles.
Seriously, the Japanese people want the Atomic Curse removed from their Lands.

That is the sleeping dragon that was woken up. He is Large, move slowly in morning..
just wait till he has had his coffee, got dressed, and strap on his guns.

Buh bye Atomic Piles,
it was nice hate'n ya
 
2011-04-03 07:49:30 PM

bartink: Necrosis: Executive compensation is a slippery slope, but I don't think those numbers are out of line for such a large organization.

Yeah they are, actually. They are way too small. Tip of the hat to them.


I would agree with this.

The Executive Director at United Cancer of Elkhart makes around $35k, I believe.
 
2011-04-03 07:50:45 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.


I can see their reasoning. Very mercenary. I'd have put out the reason that they didn't feel qualified to tell people who spontaneously wanted to give that there was enough already, and left the mercenary 'repeat donor' part out of it. 90 percent, though??? Man, I'd love to see a citation for that. That's too big a number. 9/11 wasn't the only tragedy where blood was needed that year. Is it like PETA and the puppies where they don't have the space?


9/11 didn't result in a great need for donated blood. Most of the people involved ended up relatively uninjured, or dead. Of course, in the hours after the event, when the projected death tolls were still in the 10000+ range, the possibility of many thousands of injured people requiring surgery meant that the blood donations weren't really premature. They MIGHT have been needed if things turned out slightly differently.
 
2011-04-03 07:52:05 PM

flamingboar: What is a good charity to donate to?


For something like the tsunami? Salvation Army, Mercy Corps, and World Vision are on my list.
 
2011-04-03 07:56:38 PM
SnakeMittens: Red Cross sold coffee and donuts to wives and children of SEABEE(Navy construction troops) after Camille hit Gulfport, Mississippi in 1969. FARK. They were at the SEABEE Base and their husbands were deployed to Vietnam. Gulfport was my first duty station and that experience has saved me ever having to donate anything to the Red Cross in my whole life. Salvation Army is where it is at.
-------------------------------------------------------------
The SA fed me when i was a penniless runaway,
let me buy cheap clothes etc.
give me place to stay when weather can kill.

Never hassled me with paperwork or threaten me with legal woes before during or after helping.
I heard plenty of sermons,
didn't understand any of it at the time,
except for the "help the poor" part

guess who i left everything to in my will.

Not my kids, not any GF.
Its the Salvation Army,
They get it all.
 
2011-04-03 07:57:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: AbbeySomeone: Rapmaster2000: Well, I'm glad I never give a dime to disaster relief. Thanks for justifying my miserlinesscommon sense and refusal to have my sympathies played upon.

FFaccuracy

Good point. If your house floods or some shiat, it's your own dumb fault for living near water.

Why should I feel sorry for some dumb foreigner who probably doesn't even believe in Jesus. They should be blaming themselves for not bargaining for The Lord's protection.


pssst.. earlpay arborhay
 
2011-04-03 07:59:00 PM
Didn't the Red Cross drown several survivors of Katrina after they asked for their help?
 
2011-04-03 07:59:11 PM
Unionized government workers also pocket a large portion of taxes that's allegedly supposed to help people, but if you biatch about that people call you a fascist.
 
2011-04-03 07:59:54 PM

Grables'Daughter: Now go and donate to United Cancer at www.ElkhartCancer.org!

BIE to all who do!

: )


done

//this is how you fundraise
 
2011-04-03 08:00:02 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: 1. Put snakes on plane: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.

Again, bullshiat. It's on you for proof, but I'll start you off.

Lots of bullshiat in here, fueled by the trolltastic headline.

Provided you had read my post, you would've noted that I was speaking of my own experiences, anecdotal as they are. It is what I have seen and watched occur, in person, right before me on several occasions at disparate locations. Some of who were spurned are people I've known many years and so know that something better didn't occur afterwards.

The RC is the only charity I've watched in action that put obtaining donations as their first priority, charged people needing help for the supplies they needed and turned others away who couldn't pay. All while the others gave freely to the needy and kept at it long after the reporters went away.

My personal experience, as I said, not an argument to convert the true believers or even the 'meh'. Am I to find proof of my experiences to convince myself or something?

Or were you demanding proof that they're good with blood? Well, I have none there beyond being a regular donor and thinking I'm doing some good.

You sir, are a farking liar. Bring proof or STFU.


Getting mad on the internet is serious business.

You sound like a Red Cross executive.
 
2011-04-03 08:01:29 PM

AbbeySomeone: Rapmaster2000: AbbeySomeone: Rapmaster2000: Well, I'm glad I never give a dime to disaster relief. Thanks for justifying my miserlinesscommon sense and refusal to have my sympathies played upon.

FFaccuracy

Good point. If your house floods or some shiat, it's your own dumb fault for living near water.

Why should I feel sorry for some dumb foreigner who probably doesn't even believe in Jesus. They should be blaming themselves for not bargaining for The Lord's protection.

pssst.. earlpay arborhay


www.funnyforumpics.com
 
2011-04-03 08:02:36 PM

jwbchuckd:

At best they would make it one year from the last gay sexual session. You cant donate if you lived in a mad cow endemic area. I think haiti is still a time based deferral not lifetime like england in the 80 and 90s. And you can donate if you paid for a hooker if you wait a year from the last time.


That sounds about right. Thank you. I didn't know about the mad cow ban. Or didn't pay attention. Is there still a ban for England?


------------------

Uchiha_Cycliste:
I donated platelets in high school and was able to do it every week or every other week. It took about an hour and a half, usually you sat in a dentist like chair and watched a movie. I suspect they mean it's easier in that you don't really feel like you gave fluids, and the platelets return in a few days. Donating whole blood can leave you feeling a little worse for the wear.


Thank you. And thank you for donating.

I remember seeing those chairs. They were always full, here in Albuquerque when I went. The needles were a little bigger, if I remember correctly.
 
2011-04-03 08:02:52 PM

Necrosis: sillydragon:
When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.

/Yeah CSB.

Wahhh....they didn't give me enough free money!


More like 'waaahhh they were completely farking useless and don't deserve a dime of my money'. Which is why they get none. YMMV.
 
2011-04-03 08:06:40 PM

Restil: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

9/11 didn't result in a great need for donated blood. Most of the people involved ended up relatively uninjured, or dead. Of course, in the hours after the event, when the projected death tolls were still in the 10000+ range, the possibility of many thousands of injured people requiring surgery meant that the blood donations weren't really premature. They MIGHT have been needed if things turned out slightly differently.


Even with those circumstances the needs would be met locally or regionally. The Blood bank industry is known to work together well. The amount of blood being donated was astronomically high for any time. It was not Red crosses fault though because it was that way across the US. And it did lead to a high percentage of units being expired. Expired RBCs however, have other uses other than donations.
 
2011-04-03 08:07:04 PM
My Grandfather always hated the Red Cross. He said more than once field doctors would be overwhelmed with wounded. The Red Cross would arrive and hand out coffee and donuts, then leave. He also said they charge for shiat. Not sure how true the last part is, and may be sour grapes. I do know he was tasked with carrying wounded and dead from the hills in the Battle Luzon, Philippines...which is where the Red Cross incident occurred. What a nightmare that had to be, I can understand why he felt that way towards the Red Cross.
 
2011-04-03 08:08:46 PM

ipsofacto: Grables'Daughter: Now go and donate to United Cancer at www.ElkhartCancer.org!

BIE to all who do!

: )

done

//this is how you fundraise


YHM.
 
2011-04-03 08:09:03 PM

Weaver95: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

And with Hati and I think they also skimmed a ton of money off from the 9/11 attacks.


Bullshiat. The American Red Cross is pretty efficient, especially for such a large charity. It's also more transparent than most charities of any size. You can check Charity Navigator if you're interested in more than internet rumors. Which I doubt you are, because actual facts are pretty easy to come by.
The main problem with the 9/11 donations was, the fund raising said the donations would go to helping the victims of that particular disaster. Not pay for sandwiches for aid workers or cleanup crews or whatever- give it to the victims. So, they got a zillion dollars, and then found that the victims tended to be wealthy people. They couldn't find enough people who actually needed charity, so they wanted to save some of the money in their disaster relief fund. That's not exactly skimming, and their lawyers didn't let it happen anyway. Instead, they made 10K mortgage payments for rich widows, because that's what they'd promised the donors they would do. And of course that pissed off a whole new set of people.
The American Red Cross helps a lot of people every day. They aren't perfect. Their fundraising is more aggressive than I like. But that deserves a different kind of hate than the ignorant hate they get.
 
2011-04-03 08:09:19 PM

hbk72777: My grandfather always said fark the Red Cross til the day he died. He just got out of Korea, trying to make his way home after serving his country, the RC "lent" him $5 to get home, made him fill out paperwork with his home address to where they could go about getting their money repaid etc.

Salvation Army on the other hand, helped him out greatly, fed him, and gave him money to get back home. It's why I always donate everything to them.

fark the Red Cross


This. The RC is good for blood donations, but little else. The Salvation Army helps anyone: that goes for every last one of you regardless of your race, color, or your creed.

/Also, United Way blows
 
2011-04-03 08:09:21 PM
www.google.com

Cut out the middle man and donate directly to the Japanese Red Cross here

Interestingly, you can't deduct these donations on your taxes. It's almost as if the US government discourages direct donations.

/Eff 'em, do it anyway.
 
2011-04-03 08:09:42 PM

SharkTrager: When a big storm hit Houston the Red Cross showed up quickly to give aid.

By give aid I mean the arrived at a spot where the Salvation Army was feeding people flooded out of their homes, made sure their spokespeople were the ones interviewed with the Salvation Army crews actually doing the work in the background, and went to the victims asking for donations.

The Salvation Army never made any effort to correct the perception that it was a Red Cross organized effort. They were too busy actually helping people.


I'm sure the SA isn't going to be the most popular charity here but at least the vast majority of the money sent to them gets to those that actually need it.
 
2011-04-03 08:12:06 PM

studebaker hoch: Cut out the middle man and donate directly to the Japanese Red Cross here

Interestingly, you can't deduct these donations on your taxes. It's almost as if the US government discourages direct donations.

/Eff 'em, do it anyway.


Agreed. If you are donating merely for the tax benefits then just keep your money.
 
2011-04-03 08:13:02 PM
Hmmm...i seem to remember after 9/11 that a whole piss pot full of money was donated for the survivors of the attack. And there was a snafu of people waiting YEARS to get anything, if at all. And if i'm not mistaken, didn't they just like keep 1/2 of all the donations? So we give out this much..., and ...keep the rest for ourselves. All of that money not spent on direct support of the efforts at ground zero should have gone to the families.

Bet it's gonna be the same thing here, most of that money is just gonna go poof in someone's pocket.

That being said, God bless the good people of the Japans, and I hope that you can get all the help humanly possible.
 
2011-04-03 08:15:05 PM

pervvywanker: Didn't the Red Cross drown several survivors of Katrina after they asked for their help?


You're thinking of Rush Limbaugh.
 
2011-04-03 08:17:22 PM
Where I used to live, we had a lot of forest fires, and most everybody would evacuate. But some people would stay behind because they had nowhere to go and no means to get there if they did.
The two local supermarkets would leave their front doors opens and post signs asking people to take only what they needed and not to leave a mess (During one fire, some friends and I mopped and buffed the one store's floor mostly because we were bored).
During one fire, some Red Cross workers who were new to the area came and saw what was going on and had a conniption fit. They wanted to sell us cold coffee and stale sandwiches and they couldn't compete with free. After some firefighters showed up and started picking up badly needed supplies, the Red Cross workers called in the sheriff deputies and tried to get all of us arrested on looting charges (which didn't stick of course).
But before they left, they hit the liquor department pretty damn hard.
 
2011-04-03 08:22:10 PM

awalkingecho: As someone who donated his entire tax return to the Japanese relief effort, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies...


Mine bought another Breitling

/filed as married this year, first time I ever got a decent refund
 
2011-04-03 08:22:31 PM

sillydragon:
When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.


So let's hear the name of the charity that provided you with the $750, so we can donate to them.
 
2011-04-03 08:25:11 PM
Suckers
 
2011-04-03 08:26:06 PM
I would like to recommend ADRA as an organization worth donating to. www.adra.org

They've a good record, you can read about them here. (new window)

Despite being a religious organization they "As a global organisation, ADRA is a signatory of the Code of Conduct for the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement and NGOs in Disaster Relief, which states that "aid will not be used to further a particular political or religious standpoint", that "aid is given regardless of the race, creed, or nationality", and that organizations "shall respect culture and custom."
 
2011-04-03 08:26:15 PM
and no doubt every penny of it will go...to administration costs.

The only thing I donate to the red cross is blood, and if there were another group available, they'd get that.
 
2011-04-03 08:26:17 PM
for those of you commenting about the red cross charging for coffee in donuts to military troops, read the snopes article
 
2011-04-03 08:28:39 PM

finnished: sillydragon:
When a hurricane dropped an oak tree through the roof of my house, Red Cross offered to provide $250 towards my housemate and I renting another place. In a town where rent starts around $750 for a dump in the bad part of town.

So let's hear the name of the charity that provided you with the $750, so we can donate to them.


That'd be one of my friends that saved the day by giving me some couch space for a while. My housemate ended up with a friend of his for a while. If you're looking to donate, I agree with randomjsa, Doctors Without Borders is supposedly pretty good.
 
2011-04-03 08:37:59 PM
Back when I used to live in Indiana, we had hurricanes on a pretty regular basis. During Katrina the power was out for several days. I got out a ladder and decided to climb the pole myself and see what the problem was. Some joker from the Red Cross came by and said that I was being a danger to myself and that it was illegal for me to attempt to reconnect power myself. I told him that if he didn't like it then he could go back to Kalifornina and sit on it. He didn't like it that much, but tough shiat. I play by my own rules.
 
2011-04-03 08:38:20 PM

Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

Dom Irrera does not like
 
2011-04-03 08:40:42 PM
Grables'Daughter: keeps her word!

Now go and donate to United Cancer at www.ElkhartCancer.org!

BIE to all who do!

: )
 
2011-04-03 08:49:09 PM
Why would anyone give "aid" to the world's 2nd largest national economy? There is only one nation on earth in a better position to fix this level of devastation. What does the Red Cross (or anyone) think they can possibly contribute? Japan has this thing wrapped up better than any charity could accomplish.
 
2011-04-03 08:51:28 PM
From personal experience I can say that the "Sali" the Salvation Army is a dedicated group of professionals and volunteers that help people in need. If you are looking for a group that will use your donations correctly then you need look no further.

The above having been said...please don't forget that they are a Christian organization who began as a temperence sp? group on the Bowery in New York. Maybe you can overlook this because of the good works that they do. I know that I can.
 
2011-04-03 08:58:32 PM

Abu El Banat: From personal experience I can say that the "Sali" the Salvation Army is a dedicated group of professionals and volunteers that help people in need. If you are looking for a group that will use your donations correctly then you need look no further.

The above having been said...please don't forget that they are a Christian organization who began as a temperence sp? group on the Bowery in New York. Maybe you can overlook this because of the good works that they do. I know that I can.


My area has been hit hard by the hard economic times. About 1/4 of able workers in town are out of work. Homelessness is on the rise.

And the Salvation Army is there every week handing out hot soup, every day operating thrift stores to offer employment to people down on their luck, and generally being a fantastic influence on the area.

Not only do I not mind their origin, I applaud them for being so honest with their religion that they take the "be charitable" part so seriously.
 
2011-04-03 09:00:22 PM
Probably why around the "Holiday Season" I'll go the store and buy a bunch of canned goods and stuff and donate it to the local food bank.

I help people locally, and if the administration wants a few cans of canned cream corn or whatever for themselves, I can't stop them. But at least I'm sure the canned goods and stuff I have given made it to the end user.

I've always done that though. Seems like the smaller local food kitchens and similar put a lot more into the community than the bigger ones do. Sure, in a major disaster the big ones are more likely able to deploy and help more people, but if they can take 50% of the money to pay for administration, they can survive without me.

Me and my boss also took 5 turkeys to the local food bank when they were short last Thanksgiving. Felt a lot better about it and was thanked personally instead of just sending a nameless text to someone.

And seeing this, I guess it reinforces my feelings on it.
 
2011-04-03 09:01:23 PM

LavenderWolf: Abu El Banat: From personal experience I can say that the "Sali" the Salvation Army is a dedicated group of professionals and volunteers that help people in need. If you are looking for a group that will use your donations correctly then you need look no further.

The above having been said...please don't forget that they are a Christian organization who began as a temperence sp? group on the Bowery in New York. Maybe you can overlook this because of the good works that they do. I know that I can.

My area has been hit hard by the hard economic times. About 1/4 of able workers in town are out of work. Homelessness is on the rise.

And the Salvation Army is there every week handing out hot soup, every day operating thrift stores to offer employment to people down on their luck, and generally being a fantastic influence on the area.

Not only do I not mind their origin, I applaud them for being so honest with their religion that they take the "be charitable" part so seriously.


I just scored a sexy, sheer, vintage slip at a Salvation Army thrift store for 1.49, in great condition. This is how I donate.
 
2011-04-03 09:01:40 PM
Tip #1: Donate Direct.
Tip #2: Don't donate to orgs that have words like "Cross" or "Salvation" in their names. (Greed Christians *will* be involved at some nasty level).
Tip #3: Don't donate when people could be helping themselves. IE: Homeless people.

Just because something has life, doesn't mean it deserves your charity.
 
2011-04-03 09:02:22 PM
threadjack: I just noticed from looking at my profile page when I confirmed my account creation date...

I have a greenlight! I totally missed it!
 
2011-04-03 09:04:59 PM

Necrosis: Shazam999: Yeah, they have something like a billion dollars from Haiti donations that's just sitting around.

In a place like Haiti it is very difficult to effectively spend money. You don't just throw it around, you need to make sure it is used productively. This is very difficult in the best circumstances and even more difficult in a place like Haiti where infrastructure and political systems are nonexistent or completely farked up. Red Cross typically tries to make it clear that setting aside money specifically for one disaster is stupid and ineffective. What if that money won't do any good? Do you just throw it around anyway? Or do you use it for the next disaster where it can help more people? The issues in Haiti are very long term and can't be solved by Red Cross alone.


Yeah, I know. It might be best for people that if they do I want to donate, they direct their money towards other causes.
 
2011-04-03 09:07:21 PM

LavenderWolf: threadjack: I just noticed from looking at my profile page when I confirmed my account creation date...

I have a greenlight! I totally missed it!


Congratulations!

This one, I assume?
 
2011-04-03 09:17:20 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Why would anyone give "aid" to the world's 2nd largest national economy? There is only one nation on earth in a better position to fix this level of devastation. What does the Red Cross (or anyone) think they can possibly contribute? Japan has this thing wrapped up better than any charity could accomplish.


There are very few nations that aren't in debt, Japan is one of them. They're around 225% debt to GDP. Your comment is profoundly ignorant.
 
2011-04-03 09:21:10 PM

farkMcFark: Bennie Crabtree: Why would anyone give "aid" to the world's 2nd largest national economy? There is only one nation on earth in a better position to fix this level of devastation. What does the Red Cross (or anyone) think they can possibly contribute? Japan has this thing wrapped up better than any charity could accomplish.

There are very few nations that aren't in debt, Japan is one of them. They're around 225% debt to GDP. Your comment is profoundly ignorant.


Pardon my ignorance, but it seems as if you are agreeing with him here... Bennie Crabtree is saying that they are the 2nd largest national economy, and you are saying that they aren't in debt...

Am I missing something?
 
2011-04-03 09:22:38 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: hardinparamedic: Dufus: Bathia_Mapes: Didn't the U.S. Red Cross do basically the same thing post-Katrina?

A Red Gross rep tried to shut down relief work at our local Baptist church after Katrina. The pastor listened patiently and quietly to her explain that it was not sanctioned by the Red Cross and must be shut down. Then he offered to let her tell the people waiting in line for hot meals and supplies that they had to go away and wait until the Red Cross finally got to our town.

She left. Still haven't seen anyone from RC around here since.

Bullshiat.

No, it's really not. I've seen this happen three different times with members of the Red Cross demanding that all aid within a certain area be put under their direct supervision. If anyone refuses, the Red Cross expects them to be shut down and asked to leave. In one instance they flat out refused to let their trucks approach the site until the local emergency management coordinator placed the Salvation Army, which was already there and working, under Red Cross "guidance". The organization is a well known bully in emergency management and the only reason they get away with it is because they have friends in high places.

fark the Red Cross.


Been that way since Hurricane Andrew (and earlier) (new window)

The RC expects to be completely in control, ignoring local personnel who are much more knowledgeable about local concerns.
 
2011-04-03 09:25:42 PM
Heh, Americans are going to "donate", like it or not.
guess who is gonna cover the 4 trillion final bill?
Oh yea, that be US, folks.

But wait, we aren't done yet.
guess where the Atomic wastes will be stored?
Thats riiiight.

And, Wait,
Guess who will take in plenty of immigrants,
almost 20 million of them?
you're catch'n the drift by now?

Whew! pant pant, heh, all done now,
we so nice.

Nup, not quite yet bucky boys,
Guess what Americans will throw in to boot?
All their Atomic Piles,
into the trashheap of history
thats what.

but wait, hold on a minute.
theres still some red tape,
we will have a thriving anime industry,
Japanese will be a required second language.

and,and, and.. Youll love this..
A Japanese President,
with a new monarchical constitution.

Y'gotta love that,
since thats all you gonna be honorably permitted to do.

Unemployment and welfare will be a sad memory.
LoL
 
2011-04-03 09:26:47 PM
I had 3 American Red Cross workers show up on our block when the highways flooded after the remnants of Hurricane Ike blew through. They wanted a place to stay, but said they had no money to pay, despite showing up in a new Chevy Suburban.

Kicked.
Their.
Asses.
 
2011-04-03 09:26:52 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


www.plunderbund.com
 
2011-04-03 09:35:29 PM
JSTACAT:
What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.

First thing the Japanese should do is stop sitting on cold rocks.

/gives ya the piles
 
2011-04-03 09:37:33 PM

swamp_of_dumb: JSTACAT:
What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.

First thing the Japanese should do is stop sitting on cold rocks.

/gives ya the piles


That can't be comfoltabre.
 
2011-04-03 09:40:16 PM

swamp_of_dumb: JSTACAT:
What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.

First thing the Japanese should do is stop sitting on cold rocks.

/gives ya the piles



www.guzer.com


Face trials of piles with smiles.
 
2011-04-03 09:46:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: ThisNameSux: mikdeetx: Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?

How much should an executive at what amounts to a large corporation be paid? Hell, I'm far from rich and could drive a 40k car if I wanted.

Well, la-dee-da. Look at the rich guy who can afford a Honda Odyssey. Sorry Richie Rich, but some of us are still paying off Citations.



Only seven more EZ payments and this sweet ride is all mine.


That car is a beauty! :)
Meanwhile, my folks paid $12,000 for their first house. It's still standing, I saw it two years ago.
 
2011-04-03 09:47:17 PM
The article is wrong-headed and utterly misleading. Anyone with any sense knows charitable contributions aren't about helping people - there are plenty of government agencies with a lot more money that are much better equipped for this. Charitable contributions are about relieving middle-class guilt and making the contributors feel empowered in situations that are, in reality, completely beyond their control - and the Red Cross fulfills both of these missions in an efficient and professional manner.
 
2011-04-03 09:51:45 PM

Grables'Daughter: LavenderWolf: threadjack: I just noticed from looking at my profile page when I confirmed my account creation date...

I have a greenlight! I totally missed it!

Congratulations!

This one, I assume?


No, it's from January 7. Stoner moment.
 
2011-04-03 09:52:25 PM
Farker T 2011-04-03 09:40:16 PM
www.guzer.com


Face trials of piles with smiles.
================================================

// Thanks, that cost me another ciggy,
i bit it in half.
Niiice :)=======/=======~
 
2011-04-03 09:55:33 PM

LavenderWolf: Grables'Daughter: LavenderWolf: threadjack: I just noticed from looking at my profile page when I confirmed my account creation date...

I have a greenlight! I totally missed it!

Congratulations!

This one, I assume?

No, it's from January 7. Stoner moment.


Oh.

/pats LavenderWolf on the head.
 
2011-04-03 09:59:44 PM

farkMcFark: Your comment is profoundly ignorant.


Grables'Daughter: Am I missing something?


Well yes, I am trolling. But I don't think that money is what they need. Here's less of a troll. What about sending doctors, forgiving a huge chunk of their debt so they can have an easier time rebuilding (or delay all their debt payments for 5 years or something)?
 
2011-04-03 10:05:05 PM

Bennie Crabtree: farkMcFark: Your comment is profoundly ignorant.

Grables'Daughter: Am I missing something?

Well yes, I am trolling. But I don't think that money is what they need. Here's less of a troll. What about sending doctors, forgiving a huge chunk of their debt so they can have an easier time rebuilding (or delay all their debt payments for 5 years or something)?


Why endanger anyone else by sending them over?
Japan is pretty self sufficient and by all accounts they have manged much better than anyone else faced with this much disaster and tragedy.
They are still getting hit with EQ's everyday and it isn't going to get much better.
 
2011-04-03 10:11:36 PM
I won't donate to any charity who employees anyone who earns more than me.

I'm just a regular guy. I probably don't care much at all about whatever charity it is. If the guy or gal running it isn't willing to sacrifice more than me for their cause, I'm not giving them a penny.

I'll donate when the high ranking executives running the Red Cross all earn less than 50k. They produce nothing. They are, quite literally, worthless overhead. And they make millions!

Think about that the next time someone asks you for money.
 
2011-04-03 10:15:06 PM
If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.
 
2011-04-03 10:20:20 PM

gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.


I hope you're trolling because if you actually believe that, you're a damn fool.
 
2011-04-03 10:20:26 PM

AbbeySomeone: Why endanger anyone else by sending them over?
Japan is pretty self sufficient and by all accounts they have manged much better than anyone else faced with this much disaster and tragedy.


Well maybe we should wait until after the disaster and then spend this money on establishing an international disaster agency run by the Japanese specialists who figure this thing out. We can buy them some Thunderbirds technology and make them our de facto leaders in times of intense natural disasters.
 
2011-04-03 10:22:59 PM

gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.


What is your point. All blood banks run extremely low margins on blood. Only large hospitals that can handle blood bank duties allow for this anyways because without moving enough blood you lose money. The red cross does not make significant money from blood.
 
2011-04-03 10:23:48 PM

JSTACAT: What the Japanese people need more than anything is the removal of the Piles, all of them, immediately if not sooner.


www.drug3k.com

This will not remove them but will help shrink swelling and stop the itching and burning.
 
2011-04-03 10:24:56 PM

ThisNameSux: gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.

I hope you're trolling because if you actually believe that, you're a damn fool.


Does the Red Cross sell your frozen plasma? (new window)

(The answer is YES.)
 
2011-04-03 10:26:11 PM

gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.


copsandcourts.com

Also interested in buying blood from the Red Cross.
 
2011-04-03 10:26:34 PM
JSTAhemmorhoid (It's Lying Outta My Itchy Asshole Performance Art, see!?) 2011-04-03 09:25:42 PM


I FAIL AT LIFE

Ya know, I look at you as a vaguely entertaining & funny weirdo, but "ZOMG 20 millyunz of Japs R coming here 2 liv 4 free" makes you sound like a blatant pile of f*ck and lie.

They aren't emigrating over here.

And since I ain't gonna waste a post just on biatching you out...

Japan Society

These folks will accept tax-deductible donations, 100% of which will go to the following organizations:

Tokyo Volunteer Network for Disaster Relief (Japanese only)
JEN (ジェン) (English)
ETIC (English)
Japan NPO Center (English)
 
2011-04-03 10:26:49 PM
Hmm,

Should probably call it the red star of david. Would be more fitting.
 
2011-04-03 10:29:44 PM
I didnt read the whole thread, but fark the Red Cross. When my grandfather was in WWII and Korea, he would come off the front lines to find the Red Cross waiting with hot coffee and doughnuts...for a price.

And when I was in the Air Force, the RC would constantly hound units for blood drives. I didnt think anything of it till an administrator from the base hospital made the rounds saying that they were in need of blood, and that the RC sells the blood that you give freely to hospitals starting at $300 bucks a pint for O+.

Seriously, fark the Red Cross.
 
2011-04-03 10:30:11 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I won't donate to any charity who employees anyone who earns more than me.

I'm just a regular guy. I probably don't care much at all about whatever charity it is. If the guy or gal running it isn't willing to sacrifice more than me for their cause, I'm not giving them a penny.

I'll donate when the high ranking executives running the Red Cross all earn less than 50k. They produce nothing. They are, quite literally, worthless overhead. And they make millions!

Think about that the next time someone asks you for money.


I'm gonna say this again because you may have missed it the first time...The Salvation Army is a worthwhile charity. I know that they are hard core Christian but they give it back to the communities that they serve. I am pretty much a hard core agnostic, means that I don't know what is true so I suspect everyone, but the "Sali" keeps it local and real. The other option that you might consider is giving to a local food bank as that should translate into an immediate benefit for those in need in your commmunity. Maybe you know someone who could use some help? Invite them over for potluck. That message about "charity beginning at home" is talking to you brother.
 
2011-04-03 10:32:37 PM

Farker T: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


Well, that last one pretty much excludes all adult females. ;-)


This all sounds so 1980's - back then they called AIDS the "Four H Club", because it was primarily affecting Haitians, Homosexual, Hemophiliacs and Heroin users. I honestly thought we were beyond that.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


No, I've never donated - mostly because the thought that my blood might possibly end up in some Jehovah's Witness really creeps me out.


Why?

Gays are the number cause of the spread of the hiv virus back in the 1980's and today.

About half of the aids fiends are gay the other half are straight (usually poor minorities in the inner city) but when you think that gays are only like 5% of the population that 50% of the aids makes it shocking how many gays really have aids. Aids is and always will be a gay disease the facts support it the science support it.
 
2011-04-03 10:35:14 PM

Proletariat In Charge: I didnt read the whole thread, but fark the Red Cross. When my grandfather was in WWII and Korea, he would come off the front lines to find the Red Cross waiting with hot coffee and doughnuts...for a price.

And when I was in the Air Force, the RC would constantly hound units for blood drives. I didnt think anything of it till an administrator from the base hospital made the rounds saying that they were in need of blood, and that the RC sells the blood that you give freely to hospitals starting at $300 bucks a pint for O+.

Seriously, fark the Red Cross.


Okay, so apparently your grandparents were correct:

Military Services
Coffee and Donuts
The Red Cross sold coffee and donuts instead of giving them away to military personnel during World War II.
This unfortunate policy came into being because service agencies in Britain helping British military personnel were less well-financed than the American Red Cross. Thus, these agencies were forced to charge British military members for the same items that American service members were getting free from the American Red Cross.

To avoid further embarrassment to the British, who were playing host to thousands of U.S. troops, the U.S. Secretary of War requested that the American Red Cross begin charging American service members for such items as coffee and donuts in its canteens. The Red Cross interpreted this request as a wartime demand and complied so that it could continue aiding U.S. troops. However, the Red Cross sold items at or below cost and never profited a penny from these sales.

Since the end of World War II, the American Red Cross has not charged military personnel-not in the Korean, Vietnam, or Persian Gulf conflicts, for example.


Source - the Red Cross website (new window)

/virgule
 
2011-04-03 10:36:46 PM

sillydragon:
That'd be one of my friends that saved the day by giving me some couch space for a while. My housemate ended up with a friend of his for a while. If you're looking to donate, I agree with randomjsa, Doctors Without Borders is supposedly pretty good.


Ok, so you didn't really need the money to get a roof over your head. Plus you were renting anyway, so it's not like it was your house that got damaged.

If you're renting, I assume that the roof missing is valid excuse for breaking a lease.

So you think they should have covered your entire months rent, right? When you presumably had income for the rent in the first place, and didn't really need to pay two rents at the same time?
 
2011-04-03 10:37:46 PM

Cman1982: Farker T: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


Well, that last one pretty much excludes all adult females. ;-)


This all sounds so 1980's - back then they called AIDS the "Four H Club", because it was primarily affecting Haitians, Homosexual, Hemophiliacs and Heroin users. I honestly thought we were beyond that.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


No, I've never donated - mostly because the thought that my blood might possibly end up in some Jehovah's Witness really creeps me out.

Why?

Gays are the number cause of the spread of the hiv virus back in the 1980's and today.

About half of the aids fiends are gay the other half are straight (usually poor minorities in the inner city) but when you think that gays are only like 5% of the population that 50% of the aids makes it shocking how many gays really have aids. Aids is and always will be a gay disease the facts support it the science support it.



Except in Africa and Haiti, of course.
 
2011-04-03 10:39:33 PM

Farker T: Cman1982: Farker T: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


Well, that last one pretty much excludes all adult females. ;-)


This all sounds so 1980's - back then they called AIDS the "Four H Club", because it was primarily affecting Haitians, Homosexual, Hemophiliacs and Heroin users. I honestly thought we were beyond that.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


No, I've never donated - mostly because the thought that my blood might possibly end up in some Jehovah's Witness really creeps me out.

Why?

Gays are the number cause of the spread of the hiv virus back in the 1980's and today.

About half of the aids fiends are gay the other half are straight (usually poor minorities in the inner city) but when you think that gays are only like 5% of the population that 50% of the aids makes it shocking how many gays really have aids. Aids is and always will be a gay disease the facts support it the science support it.


Except in Africa and Haiti, of course.


Can't really count them. They skew any result for any disease.
Most backwards people on the planet.
 
2011-04-03 10:42:37 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Why would anyone give "aid" to the world's 2nd largest national economy?


The same reason they gave aid to the US after Katrina.
 
2011-04-03 10:50:42 PM
A lot of people in this thread keep on bringing up the Charity Navigator, which I had never heard of before. I decided to do a little research and I found that the guy who bankrolled this organization made his money, previous to this venture, as an ad man - working mainly for the medical and pharmaceutical industries.

Color me skeptical of an outfit founded and run by a guy who made his bones in marketing that purports to analyze and "advertise" the supposed efficiency of charities.

Also of note - one of the VPs of Charity Navigator was a Red Cross director and manager in New Jersey (another red flag).
 
2011-04-03 10:57:50 PM
Cman1982 2011-04-03 10:32:37 PM

Gays are the number cause of the spread of the hiv virus back in the 1980's and today.

About half of the aids fiends are gay the other half are straight (usually poor minorities in the inner city) but when you think that gays are only like 5% of the population that 50% of the aids makes it shocking how many gays really have aids. Aids is and always will be a gay disease the facts support it the science support it.
==================================================================

Yet, there are people, some in the highest places of government, that have passed laws mandating that these practices are taught to elementary school students, complete with physical simulations.
Even worse, these people want to legitimise it even to defile and destroy the family unit.

I wonder what God thinks about all that? hmmm?
mebbe..like,
Fuku-Shima!
and that aint all folks,
that was just the slopwater from the morning mess hall.
Wait till you meet the Horse regiment, all girded to do their jobs.
 
2011-04-03 11:02:10 PM

mandingueiro: People need to donate to "the Human Fund". Their motto is "money for people"


I work for an import/export company that assisted in founding that charity.
 
2011-04-03 11:02:58 PM
I prefer to give first to Doctors Without Borders. THEN the Red Cross.
 
2011-04-03 11:04:15 PM

JSTACAT: Cman1982 2011-04-03 10:32:37 PM

Gays are the number cause of the spread of the hiv virus back in the 1980's and today.

About half of the aids fiends are gay the other half are straight (usually poor minorities in the inner city) but when you think that gays are only like 5% of the population that 50% of the aids makes it shocking how many gays really have aids. Aids is and always will be a gay disease the facts support it the science support it.
==================================================================

Yet, there are people, some in the highest places of government, that have passed laws mandating that these practices are taught to elementary school students, complete with physical simulations.
Even worse, these people want to legitimise it even to defile and destroy the family unit.

I wonder what God thinks about all that? hmmm?
mebbe..like,
Fuku-Shima!
and that aint all folks,
that was just the slopwater from the morning mess hall.
Wait till you meet the Horse regiment, all girded to do their jobs.


I don't even know what your are talking about in your post. Please retype it so I can understand.
 
2011-04-03 11:07:23 PM

divx88: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.

They're good at selling you back your blood too.


Now that's not true. You can't sell blood, as it's considered an organ. you can, however, charge for processing, storage, handling testing fees.

/Blood bank worker.
 
2011-04-03 11:08:47 PM

Grables'Daughter: ThisNameSux: gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.

I hope you're trolling because if you actually believe that, you're a damn fool.

Does the Red Cross sell your frozen plasma? (new window)

(The answer is YES.)


Well, Name, I guess I'm not such a fool after all.
/in the industry
 
2011-04-03 11:20:49 PM

LoneCoon: divx88: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.

They're good at selling you back your blood too.

Now that's not true. You can't sell blood, as it's considered an organ. you can, however, charge for processing, storage, handling testing fees.

/Blood bank worker.


See above.

From the Red Cross website:

Q: "Does the Red Cross sell your frozen plasma?"
A: "Yes."
 
2011-04-03 11:23:48 PM
its more about supplies and aid than the money directly.
 
2011-04-03 11:44:17 PM

Grables'Daughter: Proletariat In Charge: I didnt read the whole thread, but fark the Red Cross. When my grandfather was in WWII and Korea, he would come off the front lines to find the Red Cross waiting with hot coffee and doughnuts...for a price.

And when I was in the Air Force, the RC would constantly hound units for blood drives. I didnt think anything of it till an administrator from the base hospital made the rounds saying that they were in need of blood, and that the RC sells the blood that you give freely to hospitals starting at $300 bucks a pint for O+.

Seriously, fark the Red Cross.

Okay, so apparently your grandparents were correct:

Military Services
Coffee and Donuts
The Red Cross sold coffee and donuts instead of giving them away to military personnel during World War II.
This unfortunate policy came into being because service agencies in Britain helping British military personnel were less well-financed than the American Red Cross. Thus, these agencies were forced to charge British military members for the same items that American service members were getting free from the American Red Cross.

To avoid further embarrassment to the British, who were playing host to thousands of U.S. troops, the U.S. Secretary of War requested that the American Red Cross begin charging American service members for such items as coffee and donuts in its canteens. The Red Cross interpreted this request as a wartime demand and complied so that it could continue aiding U.S. troops. However, the Red Cross sold items at or below cost and never profited a penny from these sales.

Since the end of World War II, the American Red Cross has not charged military personnel-not in the Korean, Vietnam, or Persian Gulf conflicts, for example.

Source - the Red Cross website (new window)

/virgule


Interesting information. I'll admit to never bothering to look it up myself. And we all know that there is no hate like old people hate. My grandmother wouldn't spit on an RC worker if they were on fire.

And I have read in this thread that the RC doesn't profit much on selling blood since most local hospitals cant move or store large amounts of the stuff. I have followed the idea of donating directly to hospitals instead of the RC since that talk from the base hospital admin. You can get around the logistical problems of the hospital if you simply go and donate in the name of someone in need at the hospital. You can personally knock $300/pint off of their hospital bill.
 
2011-04-04 12:34:37 AM

LoneCoon: divx88: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.

They're good at selling you back your blood too.

Now that's not true. You can't sell blood, as it's considered an organ. you can, however, charge for processing, storage, handling testing fees.

/Blood bank worker.


Great! So being in the business, you know it's better for you in the long run to sell your blood than to give it. You'll know then that regardless how much you've *given* to the Red Cross, if you ever happened to need it they have no problem selling it to you ... selling being whatever you want to call it.
 
2011-04-04 12:38:41 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Uchiha_Cycliste:
I donated platelets in high school and was able to do it every week or every other week. It took about an hour and a half, usually you sat in a dentist like chair and watched a movie. I suspect they mean it's easier in that you don't really feel like you gave fluids, and the platelets return in a few days. Donating whole blood can leave you feeling a little worse for the wear.

Thank you. And thank you for donating.

I remember seeing those chairs. They were always full, here in Albuquerque when I went. The needles were a little bigger, if I remember correctly.


They ARE bigger needles, as they process a lot more blood. Also, after a while I *did* have minor track marks. I was told by the red cross person that the machines that filter out the platelets are only about 1/3 efficient, also that when they did a double take (a few times) that they were actually filtering all of my blood. I preferred it to whole blood donations for several reasons: a) I could do it every other week, or every week if they needed it that badly, b) they were constantly in need and c) they measured my hematocrit for me. One of their pre-screening tests is to make sure you are not anemic which they accomplish one of two ways, my throwing blood in a test-tube with a solution in it and observing the color, or putting some blood in a little tube and spinning the shiat out of it in a machine. The latter method resulted in an objective, numerical measure of my crit, which was useful as a bike racer (xc and road) and as a CC runner. It was win-win I got to track my training, they got platelets, I got cookies and juice AND I got to watch a movie, and sometimes I would ride the 8 miles to the RC, so I got some training in. I really gotta start that again. =/
 
2011-04-04 12:41:34 AM

Grables'Daughter: LoneCoon: divx88: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.

They're good at selling you back your blood too.

Now that's not true. You can't sell blood, as it's considered an organ. you can, however, charge for processing, storage, handling testing fees.

/Blood bank worker.

See above.

From the Red Cross website:

Q: "Does the Red Cross sell your frozen plasma?"
A: "Yes."


Every single blood bank sells frozen recovered plasma because it is useless for normal transfusions. They sell for about sixty or so dollars for 1/3 liter. It is how they make up for paying close to 250 dollars per unit for testing. Blood only gets paid for when used. All the plasma that is used for transfusions is different.
 
2011-04-04 12:42:45 AM
I gave money to the (American) Red Cross because they were offering 500 frequent flier miles. Yes, I'm a donation whore.
 
2011-04-04 12:58:52 AM
You say this like im suppose to be surprised
 
2011-04-04 01:03:45 AM
Does anybody know how much the Japanese donated to Katrina victims, or even Pear Harbor?.......just askin.
 
2011-04-04 01:13:02 AM

TopNotched: Does anybody know how much the Japanese donated to Katrina victims, or even Pear Harbor?.......just askin.


some money (link pops to a likely hit).
 
2011-04-04 01:20:16 AM

ukexpat: United Way


Yeah, United Way sucks.

My wife used to have a low-wage job working on staff at a non-profit drug rehab center. She was paid $8 an hour to do a job that would have paid at least twice that much at a for-profit place.

That's just $8/hour to dispense medication, give unlicensed counseling (after hours, when the licensed therapists have gone home for the night and a client needed to talk to someone), perform the general clerical work of the center, mediate disputes (after hours), administer drug tests, give first aid, and act as a security guard when psycho ex-boyfriends, drug dealers and pimps come knocking to get their girlfriends, customers and whores out of rehab so they can go back on the streets.

After paying for health insurance and taxes, the job paid pretty much gas money for the car to drive there and back and helped her chip in for a few bills and household expenses.

So, what do they want on top of that? Lots and lots of pressure to give generously to the United Way. How much do you want taken out of every paycheck? It's annual fundraising drive time! Can you donate $500, what about just $250, or a measly $100?

No.

She got so much grief from her superiors for refusing to donate to the United Way, they started giving her worse and worse shifts and assignments. It eventually got so bad she nearly had a breakdown and quit outright, realizing that $8/hour was nowhere near enough to put up with that job.

It didn't help that the United Way was a major donor to the rehab center, so that's where they got a large chunk of their budget from. So, essentially they wanted her to give her paycheck back to them in an inefficient fashion.
 
2011-04-04 01:26:43 AM
Thinking that your red-cross donation will go to victims is as retarded as thinking your "Susan Komen" donation will go to cancer research.
 
2011-04-04 01:29:26 AM
The Red Cross is the only non-profit organization congressionally mandated to respond to disasters. They do not receive one cent of federal money. This is intentional because their mission statement does not allow them to discriminate against anyone who needs their assistance and they don't want the politicians getting involved in how they provide aid.

I have been donating blood, plasma, money and time to the Red Cross for over 5 years. I was in the Algiers section of New Orleans after Katrina while we gave out food to people who told us they hadn't seen any other assistance a month after the event. At the time the local authorities told us not to go there because it wasn't safe.

I regularly go to people locally who have lost their homes to fires and help them with their immediate food and shelter needs. We can't provide as much assistance as we used to because our budget is so tight. Close to 30% of the staff in the local office has been laid off over the last few years; all the work has been picked up by volunteers.

We work with a lot of partner organizations, including the Salvation Army, Southern Baptist Convention, St. Vincent DePaul and other local groups. They can provide some of the types of aid that we can't, e.g. replacement clothing and furniture. We don't charge anyone any money for our disaster relief services. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar.

What happens after major events like the Haiti earthquake or Japan tsunami is that lots of people give money dedicated to that specific disaster. That's great; the Red Cross tries to use those donations responsibly. But it also means that there is less money available for smaller, but still large impact events. There aren't a ton of people giving money for the floods, fires and tornados that happen every year. But the Red Cross will still respond.

We also provide coffee and snacks to other disaster responders. When there's a big search and rescue event going on, there's a good chance the Red Cross will be there giving coffee and food to the local authorities and volunteers participating. Did I mention they don't charge a penny for any of this and that anyone who says otherwise is a liar? Ask any fire-fighters you know in your community what they think of the Red Cross. I bet the majority will praise them. Some won't because, in the end, each chapter's service depends on the volunteers they can attract and the budget they have to work with. I'm lucky enough to be in Portland, OR, which is one of the better supported chapters in the country.

Yes, there is inefficiency in the system; it's almost all volunteer driven. That's why my wife is helping the local chapter update their certification database. Yes, there have been problems with volunteers who out of ignorance or malice misused resources. That's why I do training for new volunteers. But look at the numbers- the Red Cross spends a hell of a lot less on overhead, admin and fundraising than some of the other NGOs people are praising in this thread. There are a lot of good groups out there: Doctors Without Borders and Mercy Corps are a couple of my other favorites. Each fills a specific niche. If you want your money to be spent in a very specific way in very limited circumstances, if you put the time and effort into researching it you can probably find a group who can do that and do it well. If you want to donate to a very large organization that responds to most any scale of disaster using mainly volunteers, well, the Red Cross is pretty darn good.

If you want to biatch and moan and cynically disparage anyone who wants to help someone else- welcome to fark. I come to this site for the witty banter and occasional insight that sometimes emerges. I know better than to use it as a guide for where to donate time or money; I'll do that research on my own and disregard the anecdotal stories people make up on the internet to try to make a point. So should you if you are serious about making an informed contribution.
 
2011-04-04 01:29:44 AM
The Red Cross is one of the most evil, life sucking, horrible organizations I have ever had the displeasure to work with or experience. They should never be given any donations ever. Why not just hand money to the wealthy and the lawyers that represent them.
 
2011-04-04 01:30:07 AM

Grables'Daughter: gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.



Also interested in buying blood from the Red Cross.


OMGOSH. Totally skipped over this. Thanks for the Laughter Out Loud!
 
2011-04-04 01:38:23 AM

jwbchuckd: The problem with blood donations around 9/11 was that there was so many donors with diseases. Some days it would take hours doing the requisite paperwork for them. These people didn't want to give money or help so they donated whole blood. They didn't listen when everyone said don't come in to donate. Cops had to be called several times when people were deferred because we stopped their god given right to spread disease. The worst thing is that platelets donations were down and no one would donate those.


This.

/monthly platelet donor
//yes, you can donate more frequently than whole blood
 
2011-04-04 01:43:10 AM
There is some crazy misinformation happening here on the internet.

I work with the American Red Cross: Oregon Trail Chapter (Serves Portland, OR as well as the coast. OTC is also the lead chapter for the other states chapter)

Our emergency services department has four paid staff (making 40-60K), our outreach department has two paid staff. These staff members are generally working 50 hour weeks if there is "no disaster" activity outside of single family fires. On the chapter side (not Biomed) 95% of the work force are volunteers. 92% of your donation goes to clients (not fundraising, admin, etc.). I am a volunteer, I put in about 70 hours a month (I have to work 40 hours per week for a bank as well to eat, live, all that jazz). We are not a religious organisation and we do not receive funding from the government excluding some specific grants we receive for a specific purpose (Ex. We operate the City of Portland's emergency warming center).

We do "sell" blood that is donated, we have to cover the staff, testing, etc. We are able to get away with a slight markup due to the nature of our organisation, this money is then moved to sustaining operations and services for clients (moved to Emergency Services from biomed). The same applies to "Health and Saftey" classes taught by the ARC (CPR, First Aid, etc.) and sales of product (First Aid Kits, Radios, etc.). The "profit" is moved to Emergency Services to allow Emergency Services (and outreach) to continue providing services.

Oregon spends 16.9 Million per year in ES to keep services up and going (including rent, vehicles, paid staff, computers, everything). We belive that everyone must be equal, because of this we have fairly standardized relief on a day to day basis (4 people = $X of food, etc.). The amount of services we provide is directly related to how much is brought in, a few years ago we used to help buy furniture, pay deposits on new apartments, etc. Today we can only help get somewhere to stay for a bit, some food, and clothing and then we work with "partner" organisations to get them more (admittedly we have to improve this and we know it). Our budget has been shrinking, and like any company would we have made cuts to our staffing and sadly our services to fit (we cut out 6 paid positions three years ago). This has however made the % of funds that go to the client raise! This year we are facing a budget shortfall again, so we'll see what happens.

We do not charge for disaster relief ever, all Red Cross relief operations are an outright gift to the client We even have signs that say this, we do not charge for somewhere to sleep, we do not charge for food, we do not charge for supplies. We go to help these people when they need it. We open shelters for those who lose their home. We provide warmth for those who need it. We feed those who are looking for the lost. We do everything we can.

We do love the media (I am not a media man myself) but they need to without donations we have nothing to give. Staying in the public eye drives donations and brings in donors, its a necessary evil.

Money is being given to the Japan Red Cross from american donations, the amount being donated is based on requests from Japan and ICRC (this means that if not all is requested then money may stay for future disasters in the US) Money was given to Japan ASAP (before donations really started pouring in) this is because we use money from past donations from other disasters. JRC may not have distributed funds yet (but they are still providing services that cost money) and I can understand that they don't even understand the severity and amounts that the family's are going to need and just throwing money around is not going to help.

On an additional note (as made above) some older people hate the American Red Cross because "we charged" them money during the war. Please read the following for an explanation,

"Military Services
Coffee and Donuts
The Red Cross sold coffee and donuts instead of giving them away to military personnel during World War II.
This unfortunate policy came into being because service agencies in Britain helping British military personnel were less well-financed than the American Red Cross. Thus, these agencies were forced to charge British military members for the same items that American service members were getting free from the American Red Cross.

To avoid further embarrassment to the British, who were playing host to thousands of U.S. troops, the U.S. Secretary of War requested that the American Red Cross begin charging American service members for such items as coffee and donuts in its canteens. The Red Cross interpreted this request as a wartime demand and complied so that it could continue aiding U.S. troops. However, the Red Cross sold items at or below cost and never profited a penny from these sales.

Since the end of World War II, the American Red Cross has not charged military personnel-not in the Korean, Vietnam, or Persian Gulf conflicts, for example." (Thanks Grables'Daughter)

I mean come on people, stop just bashing an organisation because its big and a few people get paid "lots" (even though when compared to the private sector for an organisation of this size it would be very low).
 
2011-04-04 01:47:21 AM

Memoryalpha: and no doubt every penny of it will go...to administration costs.

The only thing I donate to the red cross is blood, and if there were another group available, they'd get that.


Find a local university hospital.

I donate platelets monthly at Stanford Blood Center ^ here in the SF bay area. Not only does it go to patients, they also use the blood products for various research studies.
 
2011-04-04 01:47:35 AM

monkeyinafez: The Red Cross is the only non-profit organization congressionally mandated to respond to disasters.


That's weird timing, I posted a big long blurb just after you did!

(Also OTC is like the best chapter ever, amirite?)
 
2011-04-04 02:07:59 AM

lohphat: Memoryalpha: and no doubt every penny of it will go...to administration costs.

The only thing I donate to the red cross is blood, and if there were another group available, they'd get that.

Find a local university hospital.

I donate platelets monthly at Stanford Blood Center ^ here in the SF bay area. Not only does it go to patients, they also use the blood products for various research studies.


I should check them out, what's been holding back recently is I can't go straight to aphresis, they say they need to donate whole blood first and get my crit checked first, then I can come back at some point much later, after they have checked my blood/levels.
 
2011-04-04 02:29:48 AM
I am immediately ceasing all charity donations because the Red Cross did not imediately throw the money out of the windows of choppers in the affected areas....

God the western media are douchebags.
 
2011-04-04 02:30:54 AM
I know there were issues with the American Red Cross following 9/11 and (possibly?) Katrina. My family was involved with them for a few years as well, but due to some weird IP contract dropped out.

So I figure that one of the more efficient donations is to the Japanese Red Cross (why Cross in Japan? they aren't a Christian nation....)

my 2c
 
2011-04-04 02:32:51 AM
mikdeetx

Even Red Cross execs can be needy. I saw one driving a $40000 car and it irked me. Couldn't find a $18000 Hyundai to do the same job?

.


I hope you're joking. Not everyone driving a $40-60K car is an executive of a company nearly as big as the Red Cross.
 
2011-04-04 02:55:06 AM
I haven't given to the Red Cross since they gave Hepatitis C to tens of thousands of people, repeatedly denied that AIDs could be transmitted by blood transfusions, used up all their old stock of blood products that weren't heat-treated, etc., etc.
 
2011-04-04 03:29:50 AM
The issue at hand here is simple. The Red Cross isn't welcome in japan and does not operate there.

They were the wrong agency to send relief money through.


Who was the right agency?
Believe it or not, Sony Online Entertainment can transfer funds directly to Sony Victor Japan's.

My money is already on their feet and in their tummies, where's yours?
 
2011-04-04 03:31:17 AM
And all I've done is help fold paper cranes at a university relief event. I feel kinda lousy for not donating, but I have a feeling the cranes (and the photos of the good-luck wishes written on the origami paper) will get there faster than the money would.
 
2011-04-04 03:31:35 AM

prjindigo: The issue at hand here is simple. The Red Cross isn't welcome in japan and does not operate there.

They were the wrong agency to send relief money through.


Who was the right agency?
Believe it or not, Sony Online Entertainment can transfer funds directly to Sony Victor Japan's.

My money is already on their feet and in their tummies, where's yours?


Source? When did the Japanese Red Cross become unwelcome?
 
2011-04-04 03:37:15 AM

vlion: I know there were issues with the American Red Cross following 9/11 and (possibly?) Katrina. My family was involved with them for a few years as well, but due to some weird IP contract dropped out.

So I figure that one of the more efficient donations is to the Japanese Red Cross (why Cross in Japan? they aren't a Christian nation....)

my 2c


RTFA. The billion dollars isn't sitting with the American Red Cross, its with the JRC they are holding it while they work out the logistics of where the money is needed and how much.

Also, the Red Cross is not a Christian group nor is the Red Cross meant to represent a Christian symbol, it was in honor of the Swiss that the symbol of a red cross on a white background (the reverse of the Swiss flag) was identified as a protective emblem in conflict areas.
 
2011-04-04 03:47:48 AM

monkeyinafez: The Red Cross is the only non-profit organization congressionally mandated to respond to disasters. They do not receive one cent of federal money. This is intentional because their mission statement does not allow them to discriminate against anyone who needs their assistance and they don't want the politicians getting involved in how they provide aid.

I have been donating blood, plasma, money and time to the Red Cross for over 5 years. I was in the Algiers section of New Orleans after Katrina while we gave out food to people who told us they hadn't seen any other assistance a month after the event. At the time the local authorities told us not to go there because it wasn't safe.

I regularly go to people locally who have lost their homes to fires and help them with their immediate food and shelter needs. We can't provide as much assistance as we used to because our budget is so tight. Close to 30% of the staff in the local office has been laid off over the last few years; all the work has been picked up by volunteers.

We work with a lot of partner organizations, including the Salvation Army, Southern Baptist Convention, St. Vincent DePaul and other local groups. They can provide some of the types of aid that we can't, e.g. replacement clothing and furniture. We don't charge anyone any money for our disaster relief services. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar.

What happens after major events like the Haiti earthquake or Japan tsunami is that lots of people give money dedicated to that specific disaster. That's great; the Red Cross tries to use those donations responsibly. But it also means that there is less money available for smaller, but still large impact events. There aren't a ton of people giving money for the floods, fires and tornados that happen every year. But the Red Cross will still respond.

We also provide coffee and snacks to other disaster responders. When there's a big search and rescue event going on, there's a good chance the Red Cross will be there giving coffee and food to the local authorities and volunteers participating. Did I mention they don't charge a penny for any of this and that anyone who says otherwise is a liar? Ask any fire-fighters you know in your community what they think of the Red Cross. I bet the majority will praise them. Some won't because, in the end, each chapter's service depends on the volunteers they can attract and the budget they have to work with. I'm lucky enough to be in Portland, OR, which is one of the better supported chapters in the country.

Yes, there is inefficiency in the system; it's almost all volunteer driven. That's why my wife is helping the local chapter update their certification database. Yes, there have been problems with volunteers who out of ignorance or malice misused resources. That's why I do training for new volunteers. But look at the numbers- the Red Cross spends a hell of a lot less on overhead, admin and fundraising than some of the other NGOs people are praising in this thread. There are a lot of good groups out there: Doctors Without Borders and Mercy Corps are a couple of my other favorites. Each fills a specific niche. If you want your money to be spent in a very specific way in very limited circumstances, if you put the time and effort into researching it you can probably find a group who can do that and do it well. If you want to donate to a very large organization that responds to most any scale of disaster using mainly volunteers, well, the Red Cross is pretty darn good.

If you want to biatch and moan and cynically disparage anyone who wants to help someone else- welcome to fark. I come to this site for the witty banter and occasional insight that sometimes emerges. I know better than to use it as a guide for where to donate time or money; I'll do that research on my own and disregard the anecdotal stories people make up on the internet to try to make a point. So should you if you are serious about making an informed contribution.


So now our donations are being used to fund reactionary posts on news sites?
 
2011-04-04 05:33:12 AM

vlion: I know there were issues with the American Red Cross following 9/11 and (possibly?) Katrina. My family was involved with them for a few years as well, but due to some weird IP contract dropped out.

So I figure that one of the more efficient donations is to the Japanese Red Cross (why Cross in Japan? they aren't a Christian nation....)

my 2c


Because until only around 2005 ago the only options were Red Cross or Red Crescent.

A third, unused emblem of a red lion, sun and sword was created and approved for pre-Revolution Iran in the 1920's, but they ended up using the Crescent after their revolution. After the approval of that symbol in the 20's that point the international organization decided to require every nation to use the Cross or Crescent to avoid creating new symbols for every country.

A third, religiously neutral emblem of a red "crystal" (an outline of a square tipped 45 degrees) was approved a few years ago for Israel, so they could join (the warggable from Islamic nations at allowing a red Star of David would have been deafening otherwise).

While officially approved and fairly new, the "Red Crystal" isn't used much outside of Israel. If Japan used the Red Cross for decades and it's not controversial, no reason for them to change it (while definitely not a majority Christian state, I'm pretty sure Christianity is more common there than Islam, thanks to the efforts of Catholic missionaries going back to the 1500's).
 
2011-04-04 06:46:13 AM

Grables'Daughter: ThisNameSux: gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.

I hope you're trolling because if you actually believe that, you're a damn fool.

Does the Red Cross sell your frozen plasma? (new window)

(The answer is YES.)


No, no it doesn't. It's clearly states as such right on their goddamn website. What they do charge are small administrative costs they incur while testing, packaging and storing the blood. Costs that would otherwise be paid by the hospitals if it was their own blood.
 
2011-04-04 06:52:44 AM
My Grandfather was in the hospital dieing of Cancer. The red cross came in trying to sell doughnuts and coffee to everyone in the wing. My grandfather penniless, but asked for a cup of coffee and a doughnut. The red cross said no. No Dough, no dough. My father and his Sister had no money and neither Grandmother, who was sick at the time as well (cancer).

The Salvation Army came in and said to my Grandfather, "What ever you need we will get it for you." The story goes they brought him a new pillow, coffee, a doughnut occasionally.

The red cross will never in my life get a solitary penny from me.

The Salvation Army? Every chance I get, broke or not, i'll find a way to get them some cash.
 
2011-04-04 08:02:42 AM

randompersons87: There is some crazy misinformation happening here on the internet.

I work with the American Red Cross: Oregon Trail Chapter (Serves Portland, OR as well as the coast. OTC is also the lead chapter for the other states chapter)

Our emergency services department has four paid staff (making 40-60K), our outreach department has two paid staff. These staff members are generally working 50 hour weeks if there is "no disaster" activity outside of single family fires. On the chapter side (not Biomed) 95% of the work force are volunteers. 92% of your donation goes to clients (not fundraising, admin, etc.). I am a volunteer, I put in about 70 hours a month (I have to work 40 hours per week for a bank as well to eat, live, all that jazz). We are not a religious organisation and we do not receive funding from the government excluding some specific grants we receive for a specific purpose (Ex. We operate the City of Portland's emergency warming center).

We do "sell" blood that is donated, we have to cover the staff, testing, etc. We are able to get away with a slight markup due to the nature of our organisation, this money is then moved to sustaining operations and services for clients (moved to Emergency Services from biomed). The same applies to "Health and Saftey" classes taught by the ARC (CPR, First Aid, etc.) and sales of product (First Aid Kits, Radios, etc.). The "profit" is moved to Emergency Services to allow Emergency Services (and outreach) to continue providing services.

Oregon spends 16.9 Million per year in ES to keep services up and going (including rent, vehicles, paid staff, computers, everything). We belive that everyone must be equal, because of this we have fairly standardized relief on a day to day basis (4 people = $X of food, etc.). The amount of services we provide is directly related to how much is brought in, a few years ago we used to help buy furniture, pay deposits on new apartments, etc. Today we can only help get somewhere to stay for a bit, some food, and clothing and then we work with "partner" organisations to get them more (admittedly we have to improve this and we know it). Our budget has been shrinking, and like any company would we have made cuts to our staffing and sadly our services to fit (we cut out 6 paid positions three years ago). This has however made the % of funds that go to the client raise! This year we are facing a budget shortfall again, so we'll see what happens.

We do not charge for disaster relief ever, all Red Cross relief operations are an outright gift to the client We even have signs that say this, we do not charge for somewhere to sleep, we do not charge for food, we do not charge for supplies. We go to help these people when they need it. We open shelters for those who lose their home. We provide warmth for those who need it. We feed those who are looking for the lost. We do everything we can.

We do love the media (I am not a media man myself) but they need to without donations we have nothing to give. Staying in the public eye drives donations and brings in donors, its a necessary evil.

Money is being given to the Japan Red Cross from american donations, the amount being donated is based on requests from Japan and ICRC (this means that if not all is requested then money may stay for future disasters in the US) Money was given to Japan ASAP (before donations really started pouring in) this is because we use money from past donations from other disasters. JRC may not have distributed funds yet (but they are still providing services that cost money) and I can understand that they don't even understand the severity and amounts that the family's are going to need and just throwing money around is not going to help.

On an additional note (as made above) some older people hate the American Red Cross because "we charged" them money during the war. Please read the following for an explanation,

"Military Services
Coffee and Donuts
The Red Cross sold coffee and donuts instead of giving them away to military personnel during World War II.
This unfortunate policy came into bei ...


Uh, yeah, I linked to that information above to try to straighten that out.
 
2011-04-04 08:14:20 AM

ThisNameSux: Grables'Daughter: ThisNameSux: gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.

I hope you're trolling because if you actually believe that, you're a damn fool.

Does the Red Cross sell your frozen plasma? (new window)

(The answer is YES.)

No, no it doesn't. It's clearly states as such right on their goddamn website. What they do charge are small administrative costs they incur while testing, packaging and storing the blood. Costs that would otherwise be paid by the hospitals if it was their own blood.


Then I stand corrected, and I apologize.
 
2011-04-04 08:57:01 AM
Our town received a few hundred people who left New Orleans after Katrina, and the Red Cross actually ran off some local kids who had set up in front of a local grocery store to collect money for them. What little I've had to give since then has gone to the Salvation Army instead.
 
2011-04-04 08:59:18 AM

kittenfoo: Our town received a few hundred people who left New Orleans after Katrina, and the Red Cross actually ran off some local kids who had set up in front of a local grocery store to collect money for them. What little I've had to give since then has gone to the Salvation Army instead.


Yeah, don't let anyone else help. WE do the helping around here, you understand?

DO YOU?

DO YOU?!?!?!?
 
2011-04-04 09:51:36 AM
The Red Cross

A heartless corporation and nothing more.

Yet no matter how many of these stories come out people will still donate to them because it's easy.
 
2011-04-04 09:53:00 AM
Public relations firms in the house.
 
2011-04-04 10:22:01 AM

kittenfoo: Our town received a few hundred people who left New Orleans after Katrina, and the Red Cross actually ran off some local kids who had set up in front of a local grocery store to collect money for them. What little I've had to give since then has gone to the Salvation Army instead.


Link

The reason this happens is because people start "collecting for the Red Cross" and keeping or using it to scam people out of money. In Portland it got to the point people were being "hired" by the red cross to get money and were walking the streets downtown asking for donations and returning them to a bunch of con artists.
 
2011-04-04 10:31:05 AM

GAT_00: The Red Cross has dispatched more than 200 emergency relief teams to the disaster zone and organized thousands of volunteers to assist victims.

Buried down in the article.


Did they ever get in the new 500 million phone system they tried to use the 9/11 donations for?

The Red Cross and United Way are pretty much even in terms of crookery.
 
2011-04-04 11:37:11 AM

Grables'Daughter: ThisNameSux: Grables'Daughter: ThisNameSux: gilby_jr: If you donate your blood directly to a local hospital, that eliminates the need for them to BUY THEIR BLOOD FROM THE RED CROSS.

I hope you're trolling because if you actually believe that, you're a damn fool.

Does the Red Cross sell your frozen plasma? (new window)

(The answer is YES.)

No, no it doesn't. It's clearly states as such right on their goddamn website. What they do charge are small administrative costs they incur while testing, packaging and storing the blood. Costs that would otherwise be paid by the hospitals if it was their own blood.

Then I stand corrected, and I apologize.


No he was incorrect and you were technically correct. Blood such RBCs cannot be sold but the costs are past on. This includes anything that is immediately transfusible. Non transfusion plasma is sold to outside corporations that are plasma fractionators. They break down the plasma into usable products. This is done to help make up lost money on red blood cell products. Plus removing the plasma helps the rbcs last longer and are safer.
 
2011-04-04 11:49:25 AM

jwbchuckd: No he was incorrect and you were technically correct.


Wrong!
 
2011-04-04 11:57:05 AM
I haven't donated (money) to the Red Cross since 1990 when a local large apartment complex burned down displacing a lot of immigrant families that our small town didn't have room to house. That Sunday three women came in for Mother's Day dinner where I was head dinner cook. We had a limited menu, and they ordered the most expensive items on the menu. The bill was over $150 US. Woman A commented to woman B that it was awfully expensive, and Woman B replied, 'Oh, it's fine. I just put it on my Red Cross card'. Their server told me later that evening that she put it on a Red Cross business card. I was furious.
 
2011-04-04 12:43:34 PM
In case some of you mastermind sleuths hadn't yet figured it out, the Red Cross didn't actually need that much money for 9/11.. there were no homeless victims, not many sick or hurt victims. Lots of *dead* victims. So they continued to take the money, because, wait for it.. they can use the money later for other disaster victims.

But yeah, the Red Cross is evil and I can't believe their executives drive $40,000 cars. Gasp.

(ARC has an A- rating from Charity Watch. Not too shabby.)
 
2011-04-04 01:03:38 PM

ThisNameSux: jwbchuckd: No he was incorrect and you were technically correct.

Wrong!


OMG.

Should I gloat or not?

: )
 
2011-04-04 03:36:28 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: No surprise. I've seen the Red Cross in action after smaller scale disasters. While all the other charities that showed were handing out free food and supplies to the needy without heed to the cost, the Red Cross people were charging for sandwiches, ignoring those without cash in hand who asked for help and focused their energy on obtaining more donations from everyone else.

They're good for blood drives, but nothing else.


I see you're getting some flack for your story so here is one from my personal experience. Yes, I was there and yes, I am that old.
Sixty or so years ago there was a very large fire in downtown Poughkeepsie, NY. It was the middle of a very cold winter and water was freezing everywhere, like coats and hats. Brushing icicles off hats was a regular thing. The Red Cross sold coffee and doughnuts to anyone who wanted. The Salvation Army gave the same stuff away!

Since then the RC has not gotten the sweat off my b**s. I even got in trouble in basic training because I would not allow the C/O to use my name for a donation.

Organised charities are one of the biggest boondoggles in this country.
 
drp
2011-04-04 03:57:45 PM
I'm late to the thread and haven't read the whole thing, but I believe the "90% incinerated" figure.

1) Blood demand is pretty constant.

2) 9/11 added approximately ZERO demand for blood.

3) 9/11 created a HUGE and very temporary surplus of donated blood nationwide. It was inevitable and obvious from 9/12 on that the great majority would be wasted. Blood is not like kidneys or livers; there's no waitlist for it, there's no latent demand to suck up an unexpected surplus.

3) There's a perpetual "shortage" mainly because of shelf life, not insufficient supply. Blood is only good for a few weeks ... and its quality (mainly O2 carrying capacity) steadily declines, to the point that the freshest blood is usually earmarked for small kids. Minor exceptions irrelevant to this discussion:
- frozen blood stores a long time, but is inferior to unfrozen blood and its use is more or less limited to military stockpiles
- crossmatching blood for people with rare antibodies certainly benefits from a larger pool of available blood
- platelets are an entirely different issue than red cells
- plasma is a somewhat different issue than red cells

In all the years I've been a doctor, I have never once ordered a transfusion of red cells and been told none is available - and I've transfused a lot of blood, from big city hospitals to the rural BFE hospitals I practice in now. Never. Once. Occasionally there is trouble finding a unit to match because of minor antibody issues, but there is always blood available.


If you dropped an extra 100,000 units on NYC tomorrow, I can easily believe that 90,000+ units would be destroyed in a few weeks.
 
2011-04-04 04:40:56 PM
RC gave me some $$ and help after a disaster when I lost my home, so I donate to them after each big disaster.

/what goes around
 
2011-04-04 04:48:24 PM

Old enough to know better: This is why I have such a hard time donating to ANYONE after a disaster. It seems like no matter who you give money to they end up keeping most of it.

Just don't know who to trust anymore.




Please give any money you can spare to me, I will 100% of it for myself!! At leaset I am honest!
 
2011-04-04 06:44:51 PM

uglyonef:

I see you're getting some flack for your story so here is one from my personal experience. Yes, I was there and yes, I am that old.
Sixty or so years ago there was a very large fire in downtown Poughkeepsie, NY. It was the middle of a very cold winter and water was freezing everywhere, like coats and hats. Brushing icicles off hats was a regular thing. The Red Cross sold coffee and doughnuts to anyone who wanted. The Salvation Army gave the same stuff away!

Since then the RC has not gotten the sweat off my b**s. I even got in trouble in basic training because I would not allow the C/O to use my name for a donation.

Organised charities are one of the biggest boondoggles in this country.


No they didn't. You are lying.

The Red Cross does not charge for any of their disaster assistance. I don't know why you would make up a story like this or what your personal agenda is. If you don't like them, fine just say so. But there's no reason to concoct a falsehood and try to pass it off as a true story.

You say organized charities are a boondoggle; that's your opinion. Mine is that people who make up stories to denigrate an organization that helps literally hundreds of thousands of people each year are plain evil.
 
2011-04-04 07:13:44 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farker T: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Wow. Did not know that.

What about pathological liars who've had homosexual intercourse?

yeah, dude. when you go in to donate in the US (at least the times I was in, many moons ago) that's one of the first questions. it's so important, it's on the wall of some sites.

- you can't be gay.
- you can't be a man who has engaged in anal intercourse (to catch all the 'not gay but I... ' dudes
- you can't have travelled to haiti; haiti barred you for life from ever donating.
- you can't have exchanged sex for cash or goods.


have you ever donated? again, my days were many moons ago. i know that there's been some major noise here in the states to remove the gay ban. i don't know if it's ever been done, though. Reading ZoeNekros, looks like the ban is still there.


Cannot donate if you where in Europe during the early 80's either. Because of Mad Moooooooooooooooo cow disease
 
2011-04-04 11:56:05 PM

Stoutpants: Satanic_Hamster: I refuse to donate to the Red Cross. Very badly run and dishonest organization.

Did you know that 90 percent of the blood donated after 9/11 in the US was incinerated? Even when they knew their blood banks were filled to capacity, they kept taking donations and running advertisements for blood drives. Their brilliant plan was that if they could get people in to donate blood for PATRIOTISM after 9/11 once, some of them would become regular blood donors.

The Red Cross specifically advertised, frequently, that their blood supplies were doing quite well post 9/11 and that they had no immediate need for whole blood.

You are intentionally passing along false information for no other reason than shiats and giggles. You are a terrible human being.


And you're a stupid human being.

My father dealt with Red Cross a lot before he retired. No one liked being the Red Cross liaison. They had to rotate it between directors every year because people couldn't stand dealing with that organization on a long term basis.

Here's how it went down:
As people have mentioned, there wasn't a huge number of wounded on 9/11 (compared to the death toll). There was not a huge amount of blood needed. But people nationwide WANTED to help. So Red Cross advertised for blood drives.

In some cases (say, in SW Virginia), they were driving blood straight from the collection stations to incinerators.

Like any charity, Red Cross does do some good work. And like any organization, there's a certain amount of stupidity and inefficiencies, including ones that are near institutional among the long term leadership.

I'm not saying don't donate to the Red Cross under any circumstance. I'm just saying that *I* won't donate to them because of the crap I personally have had to deal with myself from them, as well as the experiences from my father.

Also, you're stupid.
 
2011-04-05 12:45:11 AM

ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.


Incorrect. The questionnaire asks:

24. Male donors: Have you had sex with
another male, even once, since 1977?

(From http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/01/briefing/3760b1_17_fridey.pdf)

It does not specify intercourse.
 
2011-04-05 07:58:30 AM

lohphat: 24. Male donors: Have you had sex with another male, even once, since 1977?


So, the way that it's worded, it would also rule out Devil's Threesome's right?
 
2011-04-05 11:51:29 AM
why the f*ck do I try to be nice to JSTATROLL?

:(

Trolls quoting trolls
 
2011-04-05 03:14:00 PM

lohphat: ZoeNekros: Farker T: Can they not donate blood?

Anyone who has had homosexual intercourse may not donate, gay or not.

Incorrect. The questionnaire asks:

24. Male donors: Have you had sex with
another male, even once, since 1977?

(From http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/01/briefing/3760b1_17_fridey.pdf)

It does not specify intercourse.


Incorrect? I guess that depends on whether you were a lawyer for the prosecution or defense of Clinton.

/except the 1977 thing -- I just didn't recall that.
//I had the suspicion it was male only, but wasn't sure about that either.
 
2011-04-05 03:35:44 PM

Kittypie070: why the f*ck do I try to be nice to JSTATROLL?

:(

Trolls quoting trolls


Yup, tried to help that silly shiat out once, myself. fark him.
 
2011-04-05 05:49:17 PM

ZoeNekros:

Incorrect? I guess that depends on whether you were a lawyer for the prosecution or defense of Clinton.

/except the 1977 thing -- I just didn't recall that.
//I had the suspicion it was male only, but wasn't sure about that either.


Not all gay men practice anal intercourse.
 
2011-04-05 09:12:11 PM

lohphat: ZoeNekros:

Incorrect? I guess that depends on whether you were a lawyer for the prosecution or defense of Clinton.

/except the 1977 thing -- I just didn't recall that.
//I had the suspicion it was male only, but wasn't sure about that either.

Not all gay men practice anal intercourse.


I'm not sure why you're even saying that to me -- my only point was that the ban had nothing to do with sexual orientation per se, but rather sexual contact. Gay or not, sexual contact with another male -> banned. Gay or not, no sexual contact with another male -> permitted.

I'm not interested in a semantic dispute about what does or does not count as "sex" or "intercourse", if that's the tree you're barking up. I'm sure the red cross has a more precise definition somewhere.
 
2011-04-05 10:40:19 PM

ZoeNekros: I'm not sure why you're even saying that to me -- my only point was that the ban had nothing to do with sexual orientation per se, but rather sexual contact. Gay or not, sexual contact with another male -> banned. Gay or not, no sexual contact with another male -> permitted.

I'm not interested in a semantic dispute about what does or does not count as "sex" or "intercourse", if that's the tree you're barking up. I'm sure the red cross has a more precise definition somewhere.


I was just continuing the discussion. Nothing personal.

The reason why I called it out is to highlight the FDA's prohibition on this issue.

A monogamous gay man (who by the WHO's definition of "risky behavior" for HIV transmission is primarily unprotected intercourse) is banned, but a heterosexual college man with multiple partners a month is not.

Something is logically amiss here.

Either other non-intercourse sexual acts are risky despite being claimed as "safe" for prevention of HIV transmission for the last 25 years. e.g. oral sex and kissing an they've been misinforming everyone.

Or:

The prohibition isn't focusing on risky behavior and it has everything to do with placating an ignorant fearful public.

HIV infection rates have skyrocketed with Americans of Latino and/or African heritage. (new window) but why don't they simply prohibit those groups from donating?

The mode of transmission of HIV is well known. Screen for IV drug users, large numbers of unprotected sexual encounters, risky behavior. Then then screening can be more effective without having to bring other elements like race or sexual preference into it while still protecting the public.
 
2011-04-05 11:13:05 PM

lohphat: ZoeNekros: I'm not sure why you're even saying that to me -- my only point was that the ban had nothing to do with sexual orientation per se, but rather sexual contact. Gay or not, sexual contact with another male -> banned. Gay or not, no sexual contact with another male -> permitted.

I'm not interested in a semantic dispute about what does or does not count as "sex" or "intercourse", if that's the tree you're barking up. I'm sure the red cross has a more precise definition somewhere.

I was just continuing the discussion. Nothing personal.

The reason why I called it out is to highlight the FDA's prohibition on this issue.

A monogamous gay man (who by the WHO's definition of "risky behavior" for HIV transmission is primarily unprotected intercourse) is banned, but a heterosexual college man with multiple partners a month is not.

Something is logically amiss here.

Either other non-intercourse sexual acts are risky despite being claimed as "safe" for prevention of HIV transmission for the last 25 years. e.g. oral sex and kissing an they've been misinforming everyone.

Or:

The prohibition isn't focusing on risky behavior and it has everything to do with placating an ignorant fearful public.

HIV infection rates have skyrocketed with Americans of Latino and/or African heritage. (new window) but why don't they simply prohibit those groups from donating?

The mode of transmission of HIV is well known. Screen for IV drug users, large numbers of unprotected sexual encounters, risky behavior. Then then screening can be more effective without having to bring other elements like race or sexual preference into it while still protecting the public.


Ah, quoting me makes it seem like you're disagreeing with me (especially after explicitly saying I was incorrect in the previous post). I didn't express any stance whatsoever as to the efficacy or morality of the rule. To that, I agree with you: it's bad in both respects. It fails to serve a legitimate health benefit, and perpetuates the stigmatization of homosexuals.

To be absolutely fair, noting your promiscuous college kid example, homosexual intercourse isn't the only HIV/AIDS risk factor they screen for. Prostitution (either side), non-prescribed intravenous drug use, and residence high-risk countries are as well. Still, I can't help but think these guidelines were created long long ago, before we had much of the knowledge we do now and prior to a shift in trends of the transmission of the disease, and are in need of serious revision. They are written as if someone who did something high-risk in 1977 could any day now come down with symptoms. If I had sex with a prostitute (or another man) back then, but then became a celibate priest for over three decades, I still wouldn't be allowed to donate. Pretty sure I'd know by now -- or be dead.
 
2011-04-06 12:54:17 AM

ZoeNekros: They are written as if someone who did something high-risk in 1977 could any day now come down with symptoms. If I had sex with a prostitute (or another man) back then, but then became a celibate priest for over three decades, I still wouldn't be allowed to donate. Pretty sure I'd know by now -- or be dead.


Exactly.

The rules are updated periodically. The most recent change was last summer when they modified the question list. They had their chance.
 
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