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RobertBruce		2011-04-02 12:29:40 PM

Smarshmallow: Gulper Eel: List fails without the entire state of Vermont.

Northern states don't have as many black people in them because our ancestors didn't import them as slaves. That makes us racist.

You mean like in New York where slavery was legal until 1827?

Great Odins Raven		2011-04-02 12:30:01 PM

What starts with 'N' and ends with 'R' and is something you never want to call a black person?

Neighbor.

haterade69		2011-04-02 12:32:21 PM

Nabb1: haterade69: Nabb1: WTF Indeed: TheDumbBlonde: BunkyBrewman: Back in the day, they were called neighborhoods. You know, people of similar ethnic backgrounds that immigrated to the United States and wanted to be around others that spoke the same language.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the older, more established cities in the US tend to be more segregated. Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...

And there are no cities in the South that may, infact, be older and more established than most of the cities on that list.

There were, but we burned them all down during the Civil War.

Not even close.

You sound bitter.

About the Civil War? No. The pervasiveness of bitterness over that is a myth perpetuated by ignorant Yankees.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Evil Canadian		2011-04-02 12:32:45 PM

GAT_00: The article is talking about cities that have minority populations greatly concentrated in one area, not places that have low minority populations as a whole.

The Cleveland map is odd though, missing Summit County like that. If it was excluded because of Akron, that makes sense, but that map just look strange.

No kidding, but I guess that's not considered part of Metro Cleveland for reasons of this article. My wife lived in Cuyahoga Falls for a number of years, and was stunned at how the complexion of the residents and the property values changed so significantly when you crossed a little bridge into Akron. Whether or not you include that as part of Metro Cleveland doesn't really make a difference - same segregation, a bit further south.

brantgoose		2011-04-02 12:33:19 PM

lushmore: In the South, the whites don't mind the blacks living close, as long as they don't get uppity.

In the North, the whites don't mind the blacks getting uppity, as long as they don't live close.

I don't subscribe to the theory that Northerners are "more" racist--although Southerners have been saying this since the Abolitionist Movement began. It's a different kind of racism. Different rules and aims, a slightly different game.

Whatever the case may be in that respect, the economic differences between the urban North and the agrarian South were already in existence before the Civil War.

Thomas Chandler Haliburton, the Nova Scotian judge and satirist, was a Tory. He used his famous Connecticut Yankee, Sam Slick to mock many targets, including some "progressive" types who were abolitionist intellectually but shocked at the idea of shaking hands with an African.

This is another variant of the same phenomenon as above, namely, a Southern racist is habituated to intimate contact with blacks despite regarding them as inferiors and a Northern racist is intellectually disposed to believe that they are not necessarily inferiors but is uncomfortable with treating them as equals and "members of our tribe" or club.

The Southerners had household slaves (or neighbours, if they were not rich) and thus were in constant contact with Africans (and a few other groups, such as Native American slaves, mulattos, etc.) Like Strom Thurmond, they had no problem with boinking the black maid, but they wouldn't agree that should have the vote. Thurmond apparently paid for the education of his mixed race daughter (which was decent of him) but this was possible because of a complex mixed racial-class caste system. The existence of free blacks does not justify or mitigate the injustice of slavery or racism, even though some of those freed blacks were prosperous and owned slaves.

Compare South African racism with Canadian racism and you'll get the same contrast between a society where people of many castes and racial categories mix freely with one where the legal and conceptual apparatus is less complex but the racialism is more overt and less bound up in the complexities of social intercourse. Compare the slave system of the South with the manumission-based multi-caste system of Brazil and you'll get other interesting contrasts and illuminating insights.

Aqua Buddha		2011-04-02 12:33:40 PM

Smarshmallow: You know, South, we'd respect you a lot more if you just accepted your history. Yes, the civil war was about slavery, and yes, you have history of extreme, institutional racism.

You can't heal until you end the denial.

To whom are you speaking? Persons who currently live in the South, or persons whose ancestors were actually living in the South during those terrible times in the past? You may find this hard to believe, but quite a few Americans do move to other areas. You know, for jobs. Working at a job is what many of us do while you're in your mother's basement eating cheetos and jacking off.

If one of my parents is from the South but the other is from the North, does that make me only half guilty? Should I just wear one shoe? How often should I apologize to myself for burning Atlanta to the ground?

You seem like an expert, so I'd really appreciate your help with this. When you're done with my questions, maybe you can help my sister in law next. She's about 25% Native American and 75% Southern redneck. Does that make her 75% racist? Should she drink firewater every fourth night?

Please help. Thx.

MikeMc		2011-04-02 12:34:50 PM

hoohoodilly: Until a few years ago, I spent my whole life on the north side of Milwaukee County. I'm now in Washington County, just north and west of Milwaukee. I'm literally now a two-minute drive from Milwaukee, Waukesha, and Ozaukee counties. The contrast is indeed remarkable.

My Dad lived in Milwaukee his whole life, a few years ago he moved from 55th & Center to Jackson and you'd think some sort of paranoia switch was flipped. He was very concerned that my teen son was going to Brown Deer Park. Lots of gangs roaming a park bordered by Brown Deer, River Hills and Glendale where they hold a PGA Tour event dontcha know.

steelforce		2011-04-02 12:35:21 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Nabb1: Nabb1:

Oh, and Savannah sucks.

Cheerwine sucks.

Blasphemy.

Julieahni		2011-04-02 12:36:01 PM

I live in a Polish neighborhood. My landlord is from the East Indies. My upstairs neighbors are Japanese and Canadian and my husband and I are Jewish.

/CSS

Smarshmallow		2011-04-02 12:40:13 PM

Aqua Buddha: Smarshmallow: You know, South, we'd respect you a lot more if you just accepted your history. Yes, the civil war was about slavery, and yes, you have history of extreme, institutional racism.

You can't heal until you end the denial.

To whom are you speaking? Persons who currently live in the South, or persons whose ancestors were actually living in the South during those terrible times in the past? You may find this hard to believe, but quite a few Americans do move to other areas. You know, for jobs. Working at a job is what many of us do while you're in your mother's basement eating cheetos and jacking off.

If one of my parents is from the South but the other is from the North, does that make me only half guilty? Should I just wear one shoe? How often should I apologize to myself for burning Atlanta to the ground?

You seem like an expert, so I'd really appreciate your help with this. When you're done with my questions, maybe you can help my sister in law next. She's about 25% Native American and 75% Southern redneck. Does that make her 75% racist? Should she drink firewater every fourth night?

Please help. Thx.

Take a break from your tantrum for a minute and go read my post. I didn't ask for an apology, and statement was clearly aimed at anyone trying to act like northerners are more racist than the south, or like the civil war was fought over states' rights. Not everything is about you in particular. In fact, your post seems completely unrelated to mine.

Eponymous		2011-04-02 12:41:52 PM

macadamnut: CrispFlows: What about places that are totally white?

Saw this documentary about all-white towns in the South on PBS. In every case, the blacks were given a fair choice: (1) leave your property and be gone by sunset, or (2) become christmas-tree ornaments.

or is it that PBS only showed towns where that occurred?

I can make a documentary that shows only powerball players that win huge jackpots....that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone that plays powerball will win millions.

MaxSupernova		2011-04-02 12:42:38 PM

Smarshmallow: You know, South, we'd respect you a lot more if you just accepted your history. Yes, the civil war was about slavery, and yes, you have history of extreme, institutional racism.

You can't heal until you end the denial.

This always makes me laugh because in all my book learnin here in the deep south (undergrad and masters degree from southern universities) i never once heard that the civil war wasn't about slavery or that we didn't have mass institutional racism in our recent past. Now I hear some attention whores jump on tv and spout that crap off and of course they have their followers but thats no different than any other vocal minority. In fact, the first time i heard the term "war of northern aggression" used seriously was by a guy from the northeast that I work with. Maybe I grew up and went to school (south GA town of 7k) in this racial utopia of 55% white, 45% black and 5% other but I doubt it. Its kinda common sense but once you start interacting with different people they become less different.

/not only do i have a black friend but will be in his wedding soon...isnt that so progressive for a stupid southern racist hick!

RockChalkH1N1		2011-04-02 12:42:46 PM

Julieahni: I live in a Polish neighborhood. My landlord is from the East Indies. My upstairs neighbors are Japanese and Canadian and my husband and I are Jewish.

/CSS

I can see why the Jews and Pols would be together...

dennysgod		2011-04-02 12:43:32 PM

Wow, that was very useful because now I know what areas of these cities I can visit.

XveryYpettyZ		2011-04-02 12:44:49 PM

I love trollololol threads like these.

Northern cities are more segregated not because Northerners (or Southerners) are more racist. They just had different responses to groups they both disliked. Northern segregation started in the 1940s with whites fleeing areas where blacks could afford to live, and then set up local institutional blocks to further integration. Southerners just dealt with it at a state level and institutionalized segregation and enforced it with the police. Why flee, when you can just keep blacks where they were for the last 200 years?

But yes, Southerners are fatter, poorer and less well-educated on average. See, demography is fun for everyone!

majestic		2011-04-02 12:44:50 PM

I don't have any black friends. But the manager of the grocery store I frequent is black (Jamaican, I think) and I like him. So, there's that. Plus, one time there were some actual black customers acting all stupid and he really put them in their place! "Hush up now, you're messing up my line."

RockChalkH1N1		2011-04-02 12:46:53 PM

dennysgod: Wow, that was very useful because now I know what areas of these cities I can visit.

Win, pure win

tommydee		2011-04-02 12:46:57 PM

MikeyistheDevil: I knew something was wrong with the North when during my brief stay in Michigan I found out iced tea was seasonal.

Actually, we'll sell you iced tea anytime. Were you in jail or something?

schubie		2011-04-02 12:47:27 PM

I'm not bitter about the Civil War but I do recognize that when people (from the north) say that the south is backwards, what they're recognizing is that the most devastating war that America ever fought was fought almost solely in the south and we eventually lost.

Whole generations of men were killed or maimed and mentally scarred. That's going to set you back a generation or two. Plus the Federal Government seems to make a sport of punishing South Carolina b/c "they started it."

Nabb1		2011-04-02 12:47:38 PM

haterade69: Nabb1: haterade69: Nabb1: WTF Indeed: TheDumbBlonde: BunkyBrewman: Back in the day, they were called neighborhoods. You know, people of similar ethnic backgrounds that immigrated to the United States and wanted to be around others that spoke the same language.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the older, more established cities in the US tend to be more segregated. Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...

And there are no cities in the South that may, infact, be older and more established than most of the cities on that list.

There were, but we burned them all down during the Civil War.

Not even close.

You sound bitter.

About the Civil War? No. The pervasiveness of bitterness over that is a myth perpetuated by ignorant Yankees.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Oh, indeed it does. Not all Yankees are ignorant troglodytes, of course. Just some. And they Are get ally quite easy to identify, even from great distances.

Bocanegra		2011-04-02 12:48:42 PM

Julieahni: I live in a Polish neighborhood. My landlord is from the East Indies. My upstairs neighbors are Japanese and Canadian and my husband and I are Jewish.

Hmm, didn't realize "Jew" was an ethnicity...

haterade69		2011-04-02 12:50:41 PM

Nabb1: And they Are get ally quite easy to identify, even from great distances.

Huh?

cptrios		2011-04-02 12:50:50 PM

Has anyone else noticed that Central Park apparently has a heavily black population?

YouPeopleAreCrazy		2011-04-02 12:50:53 PM

Another Government Employee: My parents are both from the south and grew up prior to Brown V Board, etc.

Dad had been transferred to a new job in Rochester NY in the early 1950's. He and Mom went into a real estate agent's office to ask about houses. Behind the desk was a color coded map stating which neighborhoods were Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, other ethnic (no blacks need apply). The agent would ONLY show them houses in the approved neighborhoods.

Up to the day they died, they were adamant that was the most racist place they ever lived.

Wow. We had exactly the same deal in Rochester, only a decade later. mid 60's, moving from NYC, took 2 years to find a realtor who would show/sell us a home 'not in the hood'.

We eventually found a great place out in the burbs. A little snooty, but otherwise great.
Would not have wanted to grow up anywhere else.

schubie		2011-04-02 12:52:19 PM

XveryYpettyZ: I love trollololol threads like these.

Northern cities are more segregated not because Northerners (or Southerners) are more racist. They just had different responses to groups they both disliked. Northern segregation started in the 1940s with whites fleeing areas where blacks could afford to live, and then set up local institutional blocks to further integration. Southerners just dealt with it at a state level and institutionalized segregation and enforced it with the police. Why flee, when you can just keep blacks where they were for the last 200 years?

But yes, Southerners are fatter, poorer and less well-educated on average. See, demography is fun for everyone!

So Bostonians were just kidding when they rioted over school desegregation in 1974?

/Some are fatter b/c our food is just better.

Sgt. Pepper		2011-04-02 12:52:21 PM

"living in close proximity" != "less racist" for a variety of reasons that should be kinda obvious. TFA mentions this, actually.

Bocanegra		2011-04-02 12:53:44 PM

cptrios: Has anyone else noticed that Central Park apparently has a heavily black population?

Bums.

studebaker hoch		2011-04-02 12:54:33 PM

My neighborhood is probably 75% Hispanic. I've never really had a problem with them.

I doubt I could live with that many blacks. Those guys are dangerous.

tommydee		2011-04-02 12:55:08 PM

MikeyistheDevil: I knew something was wrong with the North when during my brief stay in Michigan I found out iced tea was seasonal.

We'll sell you iced tea anytime. Were you in jail or something?

seek3r		2011-04-02 12:55:14 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: WATER

May not be entirely wrong, water often means more immigration. These maps showed more than one vector of race (i.e., not a scale from blackwhite, but other ethnicities as well), so cities with higher immigration show higher discrepancies. Also, a lot of these cities are or were industrial towns. Immigrants and those otherwise lower on the social totem pole (in the U.S. that means black and native american usually) got pulled into lower end, dangerous industrial work that others didn't want. The neighborhoods, steeped in poverty, still exist because, as the article notes, not enough has been down to fix the divide.

The south had less industrialization, less immigration, and more direct change forced to their laws to fix at least the more cosmetic issues. The service nature of slavery and Jim Crow kept people physically together even as they were more legally and socially segregated (as a few other posters have mentioned).

seek3r		2011-04-02 12:57:18 PM

Also, I'd love to see these maps as done by definitions of "white" at different period in time, it'd be interesting - for those that are wondering, for quite a while, Irish, German, and Italian immigrants in particular were not considered "white".

brantgoose		2011-04-02 12:57:49 PM

The page on Milwaukee is illuminating. It is the most segregated city on the list and consistently in the top five.

Wisconsin has long been a progressive and liberal state. But in Milwaukee, public transport is a racially and socially charged issue because it would mean opening up the ghetto to migration and jobs and suburbanization, which is contrary to the (narrowly defined) interests of the suburban and exurban whites (who no doubt include almost all the Republicans and conservatives in the Milwaukee area).

Governor Walker represents these people, who whatever they may think of racial equality, would lose in the short term if it existed because they would face more competition for jobs, housing, and possibly sexual and marriage partners.

Race and class are massively entangled in this interest-based analysis, since almost all of the poor are black and almost all of the well-to-do and rich are white and the whites naturally want to keep it that way. Social mobility is deemed a good when it is yours and it is up--not so much with moving on down to the East (or South, or North, or very rarely West) Side of town.

Read the page on Milwaukee and you learn two things: one, whites are fighting to maintain a privileged position enforced by geographical rather than purely racial segregation, and two, they are deep in denial as to the existence of the problem and its causes.

Quote: "Milwaukee sticks out in another way: Civic boosters have mounted a major campaign to deny the city's segregation."

Ah, America! Still the same, still playing games!

(Sotto voce: You biatch!)

Bob Seger: Still The Same Lyrics
You always won everytime you placed a bet
You're still damn good
No one's gotten to you yet
Everytime they were sure they had you caught
You were quicker than they thought
You'd just turn your back and walk

You always said
The cards would never do you wrong
The trick you said
Was never play the game too long
A gambler's share
The only risk that you would take
The only loss you could forsake
The only bluff you couldn't fake

And you're still the same
I caught up with you yesterday
Moving game to game

[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/still-the-same-lyrics-bob-seger.html ]

No one standing in your way
Turning on the charm
Long enough to get you by
You're still the same
You still aim high

There you stood
Everybody watched you play
I just turned and walked away
I had nothing left to say
'Cause you're still the same
You're still the same
Moving game to game
Some things never change
You're still the same

(See also: American Woman, by the Guess Who)

I really like that song though.

The French have a saying about the nation being governed by songs. This is because songs and poetry can say things you can't say in prose. Songs allow the "retour du réfoulé" as French psychanalysts say: the buried truths come out in the Blues.

Have you ever listened to the lyrics of "Born in the USA"? Have you ever understood them? The Republican Party never did. These are the White Blues, the good old-fashioned ballads of Rust Belt America. Bob Seger, Tom Watts, Bruce Springstein, Bob Dylan, are all ballad-mongers.

Personally I believe in what I call the Evil Twin theory of America. America the Beautiful and her Evil Twin, Babylon the Mother of Harlots, are in constant struggle for dominance of the American soul. Listen to the poets and songsters and you will hear the wars and rumours of wars of this mythical conflict.

God help us. It looks like America the Beautiful has lost Wisconsin to Governor Walker and his gang. Perhaps it is only temporary. Things change. Territory shifts. What's the matter with ~~Kansas~~ Wisconsin?

"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it."
-- John Stuart Mill, in a letter to the Conservative MP, John Pakington (March 1866); this seems to have become paraphrased as "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." which was a variant published in Quotations for Our Time (1978), edited by Laurence J. Peter.

Sgt. Pepper		2011-04-02 12:59:58 PM

MikeyistheDevil: I knew something was wrong with the North when during my brief stay in Michigan I found out iced tea was seasonal.

Nah, that's just a prank we pull on Southerners. Mindfarks them every time.

m3000		2011-04-02 01:00:51 PM

BunkyBrewman: Back in the day, they were called neighborhoods. You know, people of similar ethnic backgrounds that immigrated to the United States and wanted to be around others that spoke the same language.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the older, more established cities in the US tend to be more segregated. Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...

It's cute that you think that all happened "organically"
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HoboSong		2011-04-02 01:01:30 PM

cptrios: Has anyone else noticed that Central Park apparently has a heavily black population?

Trisha Meili noticed.

Aidan		2011-04-02 01:02:15 PM

*clickclickclick* Ahhh, there's Detroit!

What's funny/sad is that I know exactly where that tiny little segment of Asian grouping is, because I have to drive down there to get things as simple as won tons and potstickers.

Stupid whitebread suburbs mumblemumble.

studebaker hoch		2011-04-02 01:02:58 PM

Who the hell drinks ice tea when it's -68 degrees?

Dwight_Yeast		2011-04-02 01:03:50 PM

Their analysis of Philadelphia is pretty flaky. While there are still black and white enclaves, the city itself is pretty well integrated (Philly's broken up into hundreds of neighborhoods, and they're all pretty small; if you don't like the neighborhood, all you have to do is walk a couple blocks). and the population growth for the city has come not just from Asian and Hispanic immigrants, but also from whites moving back into the city (the black community actually sees this as a problem, as inner-city neighborhood which have been mostly black for the last 60 years are gentrifying, forcing poor blacks out).

While the suburbs are mostly white (which I believe is the case around most American cities) the whites aren't leaving the inner, older suburbs because blacks are moving in; they're leaving them because areas like Upper Darby are full of tiny, pre-WWII houses which don't fit with modern America's "more is more" lifestyles. The older white residents are dying off and they're being replaced by blacks who are moving in because rent is cheap, they're being forced out of the city itself, and they perceive the suburbs as "safer".

tommydee		2011-04-02 01:06:27 PM

Smarshmallow: Northern states don't have as many black people in them because our ancestors didn't import them as slaves. That makes us racist.

No, you're racist because you're white.

/ducks

Aidan		2011-04-02 01:06:34 PM

MaxSupernova: /not only do i have a black friend but will be in his wedding soon...isnt that so progressive for a stupid southern racist hick!

The issue (as far as I can tell) with The South is a question of averages. From what I've seen, those coming from the south who are educated and smart are actually pretty neat people. A foot in both worlds, if you will.

The problem is, those people are NOT the norm. So, yes, there's still sting to the whole southern hick insult. Mind you, I live north of Detroit, so *shrug*.

Mad Mark		2011-04-02 01:06:43 PM

Dear subby: Please replace Interesting tag with Obvious tag.

Dwight_Yeast		2011-04-02 01:07:06 PM

studebaker hoch: My neighborhood is probably 75% Hispanic. I've never really had a problem with them.

I doubt I could live with that many blacks. Those guys are dangerous.

If you look at the most recent census maps, the census tract I grew up in is 90% black.

The thing is, the neighborhood I grew up in within that tract was very mixed, and the school I attended was 40% white, 40% black and 20% other.

/When it comes to urban areas, census data doesn't really tell you the whole story.

TheDumbBlonde		2011-04-02 01:08:44 PM

studebaker hoch: Who the hell drinks ice tea when it's -68 degrees?

I drink iced tea for breakfast everyday, and we don't worry about such heinous tempertures.

Verzio		2011-04-02 01:09:18 PM

Janusdog: one of the Black Studies professors at my graduate school used to rail against welfare, because she felt like "it keeps my people weak."

Using official government figures, the US poverty rate declined by an average of 0.89 percentage points per year from 1947 to 1965, with a -0.98 correlation coefficient between year and poverty. Someone in 1965 could have reasonably expected to see poverty (as defined by the US government) to cease to exist (or at least have to be redefined to a higher income level) by 1985.

In actual fact, the US poverty rate declined by an average of 0.00 percentage points per year from 1966 to 2006, with no correlation (0.03 coefficient) between the year and poverty.

Hey, guess when President Johnson's "Great Society"/"War on Poverty" programs took effect? The mid-1960s!

The data, of course, doesn't prove that the "War on Poverty" is what ended all progress in eradicating poverty in the U.S. after two decades of steady decline. But it's consistent with that conclusion, and it does establish that the War on Poverty was at best an utter, complete, unmitigated failure.

thamike		2011-04-02 01:12:19 PM

TheDumbBlonde: thamike: The South is not absent from the list.

Missouri is right there.

The South doesn't claim Missouri. Gateway to the West and all that.

They certainly tried to.

LrdPhoenix		2011-04-02 01:13:38 PM

itazurakko: RodneyToady: I call "oversimplification" on the NYC map.

I don't quite understand the whole thing - they'll have areas that are say "50.1% or less" white, and get colored light blue. But if whites are a minority there, some other group is living there, even if that other group is still "50.1% or less" too. So you'd think it should be blending into another color.

The original data on the NYT site that split it up by group, so you saw ONLY one group at time by concentration, was far more detailed (and yet still showed the same thing, I remember people commenting on that article about it).

As for "but the South!" - I've never lived in the South but I thought it's long been one of those "the more you know" things that in fact the big cities of the South are less weirdly split like that than the big cities of the North, but YMMV.

They're still the majority. Majority doesn't mean >50%, Majority means > than the next highest percentage, i.e. 30%, 29%, 26%, 15% - 30% has majority, which is how it's used in this case since they're going of population numbers.

It can also mean like it does in Sociology, meaning the ones who hold the most power, which is what it usually means when you hear 'minorities', they hold the minority of power regardless of how many of them there are. This is why even if there are 80% black people and 20% white people living in one area, if the white people have most of the money or political offices or whatever, they are the majority, while the black people are the minority.

LabGrrl		2011-04-02 01:14:47 PM

Looking at the Buffalo map I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED, that there aren't more black people living on family farms that are over 150 years old...most of the blue on that map ain't suburbs, it's RURAL. Like, cornfields and apple orchards rural. Like, toxic waste dumps and brownfields rural...some of those places are "100% white" because they have 2 houses in them.

SharkTrager		2011-04-02 01:15:41 PM

what_now: I must say, I'm relieved and surprised that Boston isn't on that list. My roommate- who is black- is always complaining about that.

Not all racism is about segregation.

muck4doo		2011-04-02 01:19:22 PM

Cubicle Jockey: muck4doo: Color me not shocked that the north east is full of racism.

The list is composed almost entirely of cities on the Great Lakes. That is the mid-west.

Philadelphia, NYC, and Buffalo aren't mid-west. I've lived in four areas during my adult lifetime. Albany NY, Washington D.C., San Jose CA, and Austin TX. Albany is full of racist dickheads. That whole region is. The racism was rampant in both the black and white communities. I saw plenty of it in my trips to NYC as well. I have never encountered anything like it before or since. Washington D.C. also had it's share, but no where near Albany levels. In San Jose it wasn't bad. Most of the racism was between minority groups themselves. For example, the Filippinos and Vietnamese really do not like each other. Austin has had the least racism of the places I have lived. If you read Fark though you would expect everyone here to be dragging a black guy from the back of their pick up truck.

macadamnut		2011-04-02 01:19:36 PM

schubie: Whole generations of men were killed or maimed and mentally scarred.

Most of them seem to have believed either that owning other humans was a normal and moral thing to do, or that these people they slept with and lived off of were not actual humans. I would posit that they were not mentally intact in the first place.

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