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(Salon)   10 most segregated cities in the US. The South is suprisingly absent from the list. Warning: slideshow   (salon.com) divider line 434
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2011-04-02 09:01:55 AM
It's only racist when the South does it!
 
2011-04-02 09:07:10 AM
List fails without the entire state of Vermont.
 
2011-04-02 09:17:53 AM
I dislike slideshows - especially where there is a need to scroll for the information, then scroll back to the arrows.

1: Milwaukee
2: New York
3: Chicago
4: Detroit
5: Cleveland
6: Buffalo
7: St. Louis
8: Cincinnati
9: Philadelphia
10: Los Angeles
 
2011-04-02 09:26:24 AM
Back in the day, they were called neighborhoods. You know, people of similar ethnic backgrounds that immigrated to the United States and wanted to be around others that spoke the same language.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the older, more established cities in the US tend to be more segregated. Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...
 
2011-04-02 09:36:07 AM
BunkyBrewman: Back in the day, they were called neighborhoods. You know, people of similar ethnic backgrounds that immigrated to the United States and wanted to be around others that spoke the same language.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the older, more established cities in the US tend to be more segregated. Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...


And there are no cities in the South that may, infact, be older and more established than most of the cities on that list.
 
2011-04-02 09:44:01 AM
TheDumbBlonde: BunkyBrewman: Back in the day, they were called neighborhoods. You know, people of similar ethnic backgrounds that immigrated to the United States and wanted to be around others that spoke the same language.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the older, more established cities in the US tend to be more segregated. Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...

And there are no cities in the South that may, infact, be older and more established than most of the cities on that list.


There were, but we burned them all down during the Civil War.
 
2011-04-02 09:46:46 AM
Gulper Eel: List fails without the entire state of Vermont.

The article is talking about cities that have minority populations greatly concentrated in one area, not places that have low minority populations as a whole.

The Cleveland map is odd though, missing Summit County like that. If it was excluded because of Akron, that makes sense, but that map just look strange.
 
2011-04-02 09:48:41 AM
WTF Indeed:

There were, but we burned them all down during the Civil War.


You missed a few. Charleston and Savannah come to mind.
 
2011-04-02 09:52:38 AM
WTF Indeed: TheDumbBlonde: BunkyBrewman: Back in the day, they were called neighborhoods. You know, people of similar ethnic backgrounds that immigrated to the United States and wanted to be around others that spoke the same language.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the older, more established cities in the US tend to be more segregated. Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...

And there are no cities in the South that may, infact, be older and more established than most of the cities on that list.

There were, but we burned them all down during the Civil War.


Not even close.
 
2011-04-02 09:58:27 AM
I must say, I'm relieved and surprised that Boston isn't on that list. My roommate- who is black- is always complaining about that.
 
2011-04-02 10:03:42 AM
TheDumbBlonde: You missed a few. Charleston and Savannah come to mind.

We spared those so we could send New Yorkers down there to talk loudly and complain about the lack of a good Jewish Deli.
 
2011-04-02 10:05:58 AM
WTF Indeed: TheDumbBlonde: You missed a few. Charleston and Savannah come to mind.

We spared those so we could send New Yorkers down there to talk loudly and complain about the lack of a good Jewish Deli.


Aaron's Deli on Meeting Street in Charleston is pretty good. And run by a Jewish guy.
 
2011-04-02 10:06:47 AM
Nabb1: WTF Indeed: TheDumbBlonde: You missed a few. Charleston and Savannah come to mind.

We spared those so we could send New Yorkers down there to talk loudly and complain about the lack of a good Jewish Deli.

Aaron's Deli on Meeting Street in Charleston is pretty good. And run by a Jewish guy.


Oh, and Savannah sucks.
 
2011-04-02 10:06:56 AM
Color me not shocked that the north east is full of racism.
 
2011-04-02 10:08:56 AM
Nabb1: Nabb1:

Oh, and Savannah sucks.


Cheerwine sucks.
 
2011-04-02 10:13:02 AM
TheDumbBlonde: Nabb1: Nabb1:

Oh, and Savannah sucks.

Cheerwine sucks.


YOU LIE.
 
2011-04-02 10:20:14 AM
I call "oversimplification" on the NYC map. I can't speak for anywhere else, but looking at race as the measure of demographics is stupid here, since our "races" are far from being associated with one ethnicity, and such a high percentage of people are first or second generation immigrants. Yeah, there are "Asian" areas, but those areas include people from various parts of China, India, Pakistan, Korea, Bangladesh, Thailand, etc. Yeah, parts are "Hispanic/Latino" but they're represented from pretty much every country from Central and South America. Even the "white" people are diverse, with a lot of people from countries in Eastern Europe and Russia. And for "Black" it's not just African-Americans, but Africans.

There also isn't the same kind of segregation in the "we can't cross that street into their turf" kinda deal. You can walk across a few of those census tracts without even realizing it. If you're a white guy walking into an Indian restaurant in Jackson Heights, nobody even thinks twice about it.

I'm not saying we're all holding hands and singing kumbaya, but it's not *that* segregated. I live in Queens, in a part that's classified as "white," but there are probably at least 10 ethnicities, and at least three races, represented in my apartment building alone, and that's just counting the people I usually see in my wing.
 
2011-04-02 10:21:29 AM
great. philly made the list.
 
2011-04-02 10:33:41 AM
But... The rest of the country is so enlightened as opposed to the south, where we can barely function as a society.

I don't understand...
 
2011-04-02 10:59:21 AM
RodneyToady: I call "oversimplification" on the NYC map.

I don't quite understand the whole thing - they'll have areas that are say "50.1% or less" white, and get colored light blue. But if whites are a minority there, some other group is living there, even if that other group is still "50.1% or less" too. So you'd think it should be blending into another color.

The original data on the NYT site that split it up by group, so you saw ONLY one group at time by concentration, was far more detailed (and yet still showed the same thing, I remember people commenting on that article about it).

As for "but the South!" - I've never lived in the South but I thought it's long been one of those "the more you know" things that in fact the big cities of the South are less weirdly split like that than the big cities of the North, but YMMV.
 
2011-04-02 11:06:05 AM
I take exception to NYC being #2. There are so many different races, ethnicities, and nationalities living and working around each other. Labels like "white" and "Asian" don't really account for all the diversity. On the other hand, I grew up on Long Island, which actually is fairly segregated.
 
2011-04-02 11:13:11 AM
Meanwhile, Yankees stomp feet and protest the findings, as Southerners smugly sip sweet tea.
 
2011-04-02 11:26:24 AM
itazurakko: I don't quite understand the whole thing - they'll have areas that are say "50.1% or less" white, and get colored light blue. But if whites are a minority there, some other group is living there, even if that other group is still "50.1% or less" too. So you'd think it should be blending into another color.

That's pretty much my beef with it. The only thing I can thing of is if one group is a plurality instead of a majority, it gets the light shade of the dominant group. So if my neighborhood is 35% white, 20% Asian, 30% Latino of some sort, 10% black, and 5% other, it gets marked as "50.1% or less white" which really doesn't tell the whole story.

Plus, residential life in NYC doesn't tell the whole story either. Even if you're living around mainly one race, you're on the bus or subway with everyone else, you're working with everyone else, you're shopping with everyone else, and you're passing everyone else on the street. Granted, it depends on where you live, and whether it's more of a public transportation area or more of a driving area, but from my experience here, I only notice diversity when it's not there (which was my experience in Boston).
 
2011-04-02 11:27:09 AM

jasonvatch


I dislike slideshows - especially where there is a need to scroll for the information, then scroll back to the arrows.

1: Milwaukee
2: New York
3: Chicago
4: Detroit
5: Cleveland
6: Buffalo
7: St. Louis
8: Cincinnati
9: Philadelphia
10: Los Angeles


OMG - PROXIMITY TO LARGE BODIES OF WATER CAUSES SEGREGATION!!!



Thank you for posting the list
 
2011-04-02 11:27:20 AM
TheDumbBlonde: Meanwhile, Yankees stomp feet and protest the findings, as Southerners smugly sip sweet tea.

You guys still have Florida and Mississippi, so I wouldn't be too smug.
 
2011-04-02 11:28:22 AM
And Southerners are still more racist and ignorant and fatter and less educated and poorer and less well traveled and and and and.....
 
2011-04-02 11:29:15 AM
TheDumbBlonde: Meanwhile, Yankees stomp feet and protest the findings, as Southerners smugly sip sweet tea.

Delicious, sugar-laden iced tea.

I knew something was wrong with the North when during my brief stay in Michigan I found out iced tea was seasonal.
 
2011-04-02 11:29:45 AM
Is this the thread where southerners try to pretend that everyone else was just as racist as them?
 
2011-04-02 11:30:41 AM
I'm willing to bet that those areas are controlled by Democrats.
 
2011-04-02 11:30:55 AM
Why is it surprising? Northerners are more racist than people from the South.
 
2011-04-02 11:31:13 AM
I hate slideshows. Quit fishing for pageviews, Salon.com

Anyways, I live pretty close to Detroit, and it is really obvious where one ethnic area ends and the other begins. This continues out into the metropolitan area, too. Redford, on my last trip there, seems to be almost divided in half, one part white and the other black.

Hispanic areas of Detroit are pretty scary at times. Or maybe it's partly because the last time I was there was when I was 12, I don't know.
 
2011-04-02 11:32:11 AM
crab66: And Southerners are still more racist and ignorant and fatter and less educated and poorer and less well traveled and and and and.....

You shouldn't insult southern minorities like that...
 
2011-04-02 11:32:28 AM
I love the people who value their subjective anecdotes over the scientific study done be actual demographers.

New York City is very segregated. Deal with it.
 
2011-04-02 11:32:42 AM
How is DC not on this list? There is pretty much a line of demarcation at North Capitol St:
1.bp.blogspot.com
(Red = White population, Blue = Black population)
 
2011-04-02 11:32:47 AM
Oh, hell yes on Milwaukee. There is no case to be made for "neighborhoods" in Milwaukee - it is indeed segregationist and racist. I grew up in the northern suburbs of Milwaukee and every time someone wanted to build something, everyone would get together and fight it because "it would bring the wrong element."

Translated: African-Americans from Brown Deer.
 
2011-04-02 11:33:16 AM
TheDumbBlonde: Meanwhile, Yankees stomp feet and protest the findings, as Southerners smugly sip sweet tea.

Clearly I am stomping my feet.

/No wait, I'm trying to sleep off a hangover
//keep your sweet tea away
 
2011-04-02 11:33:17 AM
Bocanegra: Why is it surprising? Northerners are more racist than people from the South.

It's not surprising, it's suprising....well according to bad speller subby anyway.
 
2011-04-02 11:33:34 AM
I'd wager the only people, or at least the vast majority of people surprised by this are non-native southerners.
 
2011-04-02 11:34:06 AM
Gulper Eel: List fails without the entire state of Vermont.

Northern states don't have as many black people in them because our ancestors didn't import them as slaves. That makes us racist.
 
2011-04-02 11:34:12 AM
All of the top 10 cities are Democrat strongholds...how could that be?

Welcome to the new face of slavery....keep the black man poor and uneducated. Then they will keep voting for the new massa's and the massa's will keep sending them welfare checks.
 
2011-04-02 11:34:34 AM
Northern cities have long had higher rates of segregation than in the South, where strict Jim Crow laws kept blacks closer to whites, but separate from them.

If that's the case, is it really accurate to call the phenomenon of ethnic neighborhoods in large cities "segregation", if it's nothing like the actual historical policies of segregation? Shouldn't it be "ghettoization"?
 
2011-04-02 11:35:17 AM
Krymson Tyde: I'd wager the only people, or at least the vast majority of people surprised by this are non-native southerners.

Correction: non southerners and non-native southerners.
 
2011-04-02 11:35:34 AM
Eponymous: All of the top 10 cities are Democrat strongholds...how could that be?

Welcome to the new face of slavery....keep the black man poor and uneducated. Then they will keep voting for the new massa's and the massa's will keep sending them welfare checks.


I come to Fark for amazing insights like this.
 
2011-04-02 11:35:34 AM
Smarshmallow: Is this the thread where southerners northerners try to pretend that everyone else is just as racist as them?

Apparently so.
 
2011-04-02 11:35:59 AM
Gulper Eel: List fails without the entire state of Vermont.

I beg to differ. The 2 black people in this state are quite interspersed with with 600,000 white people.
 
2011-04-02 11:36:14 AM
Let's go Buffalo!
 
2011-04-02 11:36:16 AM
There's also a strong a racial divide between East and West Knoxville.
 
2011-04-02 11:37:29 AM
Let's see the class map based on wealth.
 
2011-04-02 11:37:45 AM
Wow. I would have thought:
1. Chicago
2. Boston
3. LA
4. San Francisco
 
2011-04-02 11:38:04 AM
Eponymous: All of the top 10 cities are Democrat strongholds...how could that be?

Welcome to the new face of slavery....keep the black man poor and uneducated. Then they will keep voting for the new massa's and the massa's will keep sending them welfare checks.


Welfare keeps people from learning how to be self sufficient.
 
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