Question that has been bugging me forever:

Are Mexicans Arabs?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Blairr: This video breaks my heart. That small black girl hates herself :(

Thank God for the girl with the teal shirt. I was starting to lose what was left of my faith in humanity for a bit there.

Blairr: Question that has been bugging me forever:

Are Mexicans Arabs?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Mexicans are American Indians of the Central region who are intermixed with European Spaniards.

Arabs are brown Caucasians.

Satisfied?

Blairr:
Who the hell cares? There is no legislated racism, what will be will be.

hahahahah

oh wait, you're serious... let me laugh even harder....

There is *plenty* of legislated racism, and hell, even the article addresses it. It's not often utterly blatant anymore, but it's present in zoning laws, in drug laws, in targeted police enforcement, in municipal bldg locations, in city service distribution, in eminent domain usage, etc. I question some of the methodology of the article, but the points made on that are spot on.

rgriffithi: bmihura: muck4doo: Austin has had the least racism of the places I have lived.

I live in Austin, and you're right. But....

Until 1900, in Austin TX it was illegal for black people to live west of I-35. Things sure have changed!

Wow...I learned today that the interstate highway system existed in 1900. You may live in Austin but I bet you are from a northern state.

I'd rather be dead than live where there is snow. Good try though.

Another Government Employee: CSB time.

My parents are both from the south and grew up prior to Brown V Board, etc.

Dad had been transferred to a new job in Rochester NY in the early 1950's. He and Mom went into a real estate agent's office to ask about houses. Behind the desk was a color coded map stating which neighborhoods were Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, other ethnic (no blacks need apply). The agent would ONLY show them houses in the approved neighborhoods.

Up to the day they died, they were adamant that was the most racist place they ever lived.

/end CSB.

And every few years, add some Blockbusting to get the racist idiots to dump their property for practically nothing, and throw up some projects and slums so that the rest of the middle class moves out. Rinse and repeat with each new "safe" neighborhood.

pieterh: MikeMc: Ya ya Milwaukee!

Once I went to Afrofest, despite heavy warnings from every(white/asian)one around, found myself the only white guy there, had a great time drumming and eating and talking to dozens of people, and thought to myself... the black folk here have it figured out, no annoying white people coming to their parties. The white festivals on the lake were mostly people getting pissed. No comparison.

But seriously, one of the few cities where my hosts would point out streets and say, "if you cross here, never, ever stop the car", and I'd think, "wtf, these Americans are seriously farked".

Well shiat happens like a gang of kids beating up a white guy who got on the "wrong" bus and then nobody on the bus claims they saw a thing or the recent beating of a bus driver. Or how about beating a mexican to death during Juneteenth? Or gangs of young children beating up adults (of any race), pushing people in front of buses, etc? Honestly, I don't have too much sympathy for Milwaukee. Black people don't even want to live in the black parts as they suck so bad. I don't blame them either.

posthocergoetc: schubie: In the south we've lived and worked together for a long time. We just kind of grew out of our racism. Are there still dipshiats? Sure, but they're honest and in your face.

I absolutely love how people in the north act as if they're all personally descended from abolitionists. You aren't. The reason you even know abolitionist's names is that there were so few of them. Those slaver's ships? They came from New York. Those draft riots where they burned down a black orphanage, lynching and beating the little kids who tried to escape? That was New York City.

People in the North were anti-slave for their own economic reasons. They didn't want to try to compete with slave labor. Quit trying to act as if everyone above the Mason Dixon line was magically enlightened. They weren't. Not even close to a majority.

THIS. Abolition of slavery, just for the hell of it, was not a major factor (at least in the beginning) of the Civil War. The north just wanted to end the south's monopoly on free labor. They didn't give a crap about the slaves, just about the obscene profits that plantation owners were raking in.


Should be refined a little. Like all wars, Lincoln's war was about the interests of a small minority but it needed a grand excuse of noble cause to get people behind it. Another excuse was shared with Lincoln, to bring the south back into the union by force just because they left.

The federal government at the time got its revenue from export/import tariffs. It was the southern states that had the bulk of this trade. So all the corporate welfare that went to northern businesses was at risk when the south said 'fark this'.

Lincoln believed that blacks and whites could not live together and his solution was to send the black people away.

The cause of having free peoples living intermingled wasn't reason for the war in any meaningful way.

Marshal805: Blairr: Question that has been bugging me forever:

Are Mexicans Arabs?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Mexicans are American Indians of the Central region who are intermixed with European Spaniards.

Arabs are brown Caucasians.

Satisfied?

ya but i was in spain? and they were brown there 2

but there were some white ones

are the brown ones left over from muslim occupation of spain?

Bottom line:

Can I claim illegal immigrants are actually Spanish Muslim terrorists from a sleeper-cell in Spain?

Blairr: are the brown ones left over from muslim occupation of spain?

Less than 2 percent of the spanish population have moorish genes iirc...

But i could be wrong. - it did happen somewhere around 1000-700 years ago...

Feral_and_Preposterous: You sound "Southern".

U mad.

WTF Indeed: TheDumbBlonde: BunkyBrewman: Back in the day, they were called neighborhoods. You know, people of similar ethnic backgrounds that immigrated to the United States and wanted to be around others that spoke the same language.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the older, more established cities in the US tend to be more segregated. Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...

And there are no cities in the South that may, infact, be older and more established than most of the cities on that list.

There were, but we burned them all down during the Civil War.

Although false, this made me smile.

/Schadenfruede

This thread is weird. I lived in suburban New York (state) as a kid, and I lived in suburban South Carolina and spent a lot of time in Alabama. I saw a lot of racism everywhere, usually preceded by, "I'm not racist, but...."

Then I lived in Metro Atlanta for 24 years. There's still a lot of racist people, but going from Atlanta to other places, the thing that really stands out is how much more people appear to notice race.

The last place I lived in Metro Atlanta, I lived in the same house for 10 years. I guess the neighborhood was mostly white, sort of, but even generally knowing your immediate neighbors, it wasn't like a lot of places elsewhere in the country where everyone seems to be acutely aware of which houses "those people" live in, for various values of "those people."

San Francisco was kinda the same way, in the places I went on my one visit--people didn't seem to be as aware of race. I didn't go to "Chinatown," though. (Aware isn't a real good word choice, but I'm at a loss for a better one.)

It's the difference between talking to someone and because you're not blind you notice their hair is red, versus, "I was talking to this redhead and...." (Except for, of course, guys picking up chicks, duh, but you know what I mean.)

Every time you heard someone say something racist when you were a little kid, it was like poison poured into your brain. And no matter how much we all try not to let that affect us at all, and to root it out, sometimes we fail. All any of us can really hope for is to see to it that our kids hear less of that garbage than we heard growing up, and that over generations the problem gets better. I said "hope," not that it absolutely will.

From what I've seen, people tend to notice other people's racism but not their own. Every region or city's variety of racism is a bit different from everyplace else's, so anywhere you go as a visitor, when you run into racism it stands out and you think, "Boy, the people that live [wherever] sure are racist."

It's sad.

All you can really do about it is try not to be racist yourself and try to discourage racist comments or behavior when someone else does it in front of you--in whatever way seems most likely to at least work a little. Usually I try to make the person feel embarrassed about it. But I'm not perfect either--who knows what slip ups I might have made (or make) that got past me but other people noticed?

The best you can do is try.

Janusdog: While that is indeed retard speak, one of the Black Studies professors at my graduate school used to rail against welfare, because she felt like "it keeps my people weak." I always thought that was an interesting perspective.

He's correct. The welfare state has been very destructive and IMO only someone who just thinks about it on a superficial and emotional level would think otherwise given the data and looking at various neighborhoods. It is as if the welfare system is how government institutionalized racism morphed when the majority wouldn't put up with it any longer. Although it isn't so much racism as it is classism. The ruling class's war on the middle and lower classes economically.

brantgoose
What's the matter with Kansas Wisconsin?

West Bend and Brookfield. The rest of the state is cool.


posthocergoetc
Sigh. . .it's not bullshiat. The answer is in your own rebuttal- the abolitionist movement was a religious one, not a viable political movement. By the mid 19th century economic factors outweighed moral sentiment, even if the Abolitionists were first to the party. Sure, there were plenty of northerners who sympathized with the slaves, but money came before morals.

The Civil War was arguably a imperialist conquest of the South by Northern industrialists. The Northern proletariat was mostly against the war, as evinced by the massive draft riots. I'm not saying I entirely agree with the theory, but it's possible and it was probably one aspect.

"Between my wife and I, we work 3 jobs in one household so we can live as far as possible from Section 8 housing. Keep your brave new world, liberal views to yourself. I don't want section 8 anywhere near me. I don't want anyone receiving any type of government assistance living near me," wrote Steve Arlo. "I pay THOUSANDS of dollars a year in Federal, State, City and property taxes to keep it away from my neighborhood. I'll say it. They don't deserve to live in or near my neighborhood. When are we going to stop this 'free money' mentality? I don't care how horrible their neighborhood is. You made your bed now sleep in it. Remember, neighborhoods are made up of those that live in them."

How is this racist? I completely agree with this guy. I live in Philly too, and I don't want to live anywhere near degenerates. Currently I live close to an increasing homeless population and everyone in the neighborhood gets robbed more often because of them. Why would ANYONE want to live near some degenerate community? If most of that community happens to be black then there's something wrong with your "culture."

Chimpasaurus
If most of that community happens to be black then there's something wrong with your "culture."

Are you a victim of decades of systemic discrimination for jobs and housing, subject to excessive police patrols that trap a disproportionate amount of your population in the legal web, and provided no real economic assistance that would actually lift you out of poverty? THEN YOU'RE LAZY!

Disliking people of lower classes is more natural than racism, hating low income people is not racism, people seem to be making that mistake. Go have fun living a block away from the heart of Compton or East LA. It isn't because of a race that lives there, rather the low income mentality. That's what separates true racists from everyone else. They just dislike colored people regardless of their social status. I don't have a problem with a minority living in a middle or upper class area, but the southern mentality still tries to push those people out. And that southern mentality people have migrated to many places in the union. Usually that's why you get these viewpoints in more areas.

RanDomino: Are you a victim of decades of systemic discrimination for jobs and housing, subject to excessive police patrols that trap a disproportionate amount of your population in the legal web, and provided no real economic assistance that would actually lift you out of poverty? THEN YOU'RE LAZY!

I'm not, but my husband's family was and they're all doing pretty well for themselves. Me? I'm just a product of a family who came from a THIRD WORLD country to America with $50 in their pocket. Good thing they joined the "keep the black man down" club and succeeded in life.

Penman: Hermione

*sigh*

Wireless Joe: Surpirse! The most geographically segregated cities (9 of 10) are in the Rust Belt, where blacks moved to as soon as they could get the hell out of the South during a time when segregation, while not a de facto law, was still law of the land and was enhanced by the red lining. So blacks had to form their own neighborhoods.

The South could not be red lined because the populations were already established in an integrated setting (the slaves didn't have to commute from downtown Atlanta).

Sure, the Southern neighborhoods may have had a more "mixed" population by the numbers, but that population did not mix with each other socially. A black man could leave the South side of Chicago and sit at a downtown lunch counter with whites without problems; this was not the case in the South.

So the North was more geographically segregated, and the South was more socially segregated; both were racist but in different ways.

Of course, these are all generalities with exceptions, and a noticeable shift has started to occur (at least in the Chicago neighborhoods) with an increasing black population on the North side and downtown and an increasing white population on the South and West sides.

It will take a long time to get over the redlining and attitudes that shaped the city for a couple centuries, but it's happening; especially as the older population dies off and the younger people who mostly don't give a shiat about race take things over and start living wherever the hell they want to.

THIS, bravo

I recently moved to Rhode Island from Central Florida. I am truly astonished at the obvious racism and xenophobia coupled by the blind ignorance of the people who live here.

Its quite mystifying how people here point fingers at the South for how uneducated and racist we are then turn around and advise not visiting some areas because they're "ghetto" and "could be dangerous".

"I'm going to pop over to the [spanish convenience store by my house], do you need anything?"

"...are you sure you want to go in there?"

Just last week I told my classmate not to touch my hand because I was sick and wanted to be polite. He replies "I've been touching homeless people all day so it's okay"

DJanomaly: LA county being on that list is beyond stupid.


Yes, Hispanics tend to live near other Hispanics.....mainly because they speak spanish. Is that anyones "fault"? No.

Can I help it if they don't choose to live in Granada Hills? No. Does it matter? Good lord no. In 80 years their children's children will have assimilated and they'll live where ever they choose.

Ugh. I hate crap like that. LA is such a wonderfully diverse place and the fact that there are pockets of minorities that choose to live together is completely beside the point. It has absolutely nothing to do with racism or Jim Crow laws.

I live in Studio City. There is a gay black dude that lives next door to me. Does *anybody* within a 20 mile radius care? Absolutely not.

While there's certainly racism in LA, especially against wetbacks, it's much less than in the Central Valley/Sierras and Napa/Sonoma. (On the central coast it's more of a lack of minorities entirely, most racism comes from old white folks who haven't died yet.) On the other hand, LA/OC is one of the most economically segregated cities in the entire West, and the classicism there is rampant, on all sides. I've heard San Diego and the Inland Empire are more traditionally racist thanks to their military contractor roots, but don't have the experience to back that up.

A similar map of income ranges would show a much starker disparity in LA than race, which doesn't correlate with income as much as it used to. While this is true of many cities, I don't think I've ever seen is as deeply prevalent and so much a part of everyone's personal identity as there.

macadamnut: schubie: Whole generations of men were killed or maimed and mentally scarred.

Most of them seem to have believed either that owning other humans was a normal and moral thing to do, or that these people they slept with and lived off of were not actual humans. I would posit that they were not mentally intact in the first place.

Because all whites living in the South were rich plantation owners.

Naturally, all whites in the South treat our colored brethren like property. And we continue to do so!

And of course there were never, EVER any individuals or communities in the South who spoke out against slavery and segregation.

Those ideas and values only appear in the North, where our culture is vastly superior to the South in every way.

Hermione_Granger: Living with racism is a tiresome burden. Living with racism in Cincinnati adds insult to injury.

This is consistent with what black people I know (yeah, some of my best friends, it's true) have told me about living in America.

And not just in Cincinnati, but most places.

Especially online. If I were black I could see sticking largely to black sites for just that reason. Even on Fark the constant steady drip drip of racism tires me the fark out from time to time, and I'm white (albeit with a mixed race family).

Oldiron_79: Its definitely more dangerous for a white person to go into the hood than for a black person to go into the boonies, even though the SPLC types would have you believe the opposite.

Redneck please. I've lived in and visited plenty of places where I was the rare white face. Stop being such a pussy.

sseye: Hermione_Granger: Living with racism is a tiresome burden. Living with racism in Cincinnati adds insult to injury.

This is consistent with what black people I know (yeah, some of my best friends, it's true) have told me about living in America.

And not just in Cincinnati, but most places.

Especially online. If I were black I could see sticking largely to black sites for just that reason. Even on Fark the constant steady drip drip of racism tires me the fark out from time to time, and I'm white (albeit with a mixed race family).

I've wondered about how racist Fark is. Regardless, it's racist enough :/

Julieahni: I've wondered about how racist Fark is. Regardless, it's racist enough :/

I don't know, if you ignore the trolls-4-lulz and the stormfront types who only sign up to post in Obama and illegal immigrant threads, Fark doesn't seem any more racist than my day to day life. (A few real racists, a lot of normal people who might make the occasional colorful joke but don't have any real grudge, and a lot of people who might as well be chameleons they can fit in so well.)

If anything, I wonder about how trolly Fark is. It's definitely trolly enough.

For all of you posting that segregation in America is one big happy accident, you should try to read James W. Loewen's Sundown Towns or find an adult who can read it to you. You might learn something.

I'm amazed sometimes that people can be so stupid and still afford a computer and internet access.

rgriffithi: bmihura: muck4doo: Austin has had the least racism of the places I have lived.

I live in Austin, and you're right. But....

Until 1900, in Austin TX it was illegal for black people to live west of I-35. Things sure have changed!

Wow...I learned today that the interstate highway system existed in 1900. You may live in Austin but I bet you are from a northern state.

When what is now I-35 was built it covered a street. That street was the dividing line.

It's also a geological dividing line: karst limestone to the west & more of a clay like soil to the east.

orangehat: For all of you posting that segregation in America is one big happy accident, you should try to read James W. Loewen's Sundown Towns or find an adult who can read it to you. You might learn something.

I'm amazed sometimes that people can be so stupid and still afford a computer and internet access.



Happy accident--no.

40+ years of excuses running thin? Yes.

It's time for everyone, minorities and ignorant whites alike, to speak clearly, stay in school, stay out of jail, and only have kids they can afford & raise with a spouse. Anything less falls into the "go fark yourself" category.