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2011-03-31 08:51:25 PM
First they came for our Big Wheels...
 
2011-03-31 08:51:58 PM
Dear HOAs,

Eat this:

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2011-03-31 08:53:03 PM

Bio-nic: We have very narrow roads, and the only access to the sub is over a hill which most people fly through @ 40mph. it's "A matter of time" as they say before something bad happens.


Is the road you refer to under HOA jurisdiction or city jurisdiction? If it is city, then the HOA won't be liable if the kids rolls three sixes. However, the park you put in will be HOA responsibility and would likely raise your insurance rates. Are the HOA members worried parents or people who want to get rid of the noise of the children?
 
2011-03-31 08:54:27 PM
Bio-nic

//don's the flame retardant jammies.

Don is? I always thought it was Steve.
 
2011-03-31 08:55:02 PM

shoegaze99: dj_bigbird: Maybe you shouldn't have bought a townhouse in a cramped complex with a no room for kids to play outside.

Normally, I'm the first to rail on HOAs, but if there's no space for them to play safely outside, they shouldn't be outside.

How does this work in urban environments, exactly? You know, where tens of millions of kids live right now. Children just stay inside at all times?

The Fark Children-Hating Brigade never ceases to amaze me with its lunacy.


The lazy parents need to get off their fat butt and take the kids to the park or....turn off the TV and go outside and keep an eye on their kids while outside playing.
Sick of people popping out kids then wanting everyone but them to take care of them.
 
2011-03-31 08:55:32 PM

muck4doo: Diogenes: Complicit: dj_bigbird: Normally, I'm the first to rail on HOAs, but if there's no space for them to play safely outside, they shouldn't be outside. Kids are stupid and have no perception of cars, come out from between parked cars, etc. (that being said, yes, there are plenty of idiot drivers, especially in FL).

Yep. I'm not a fan of HOAs, and their motives may be less than pure, but they're still in the right here. Having a kid doesn't give you license to do whatever you want. You should have moved somewhere more kid-friendly.

FTA: They came in and rented (a home) in a community that does not have a playground and is not conducive to children.

It sounds to me like they're rental homes. In which case I question why they just didn't lease to people with kids in the first place.

That's illegal


found this on the inter-tubes:

Although the FHAct was amended in 1988 to prohibit discrimination on the basis of disability and familial status, Congress intended to preserve housing specifically designed to meet the needs of senior citizens. Housing that meets the FHAct definition of "housing for older persons" is exempt from the law's familial status requirements, provided that:

* HUD has determined that the dwelling is specifically designed for and occupied by elderly persons under a Federal, State or local government program or
* It is occupied solely by persons who are 62 or older or
* It houses at least one person who is 55 or older in at least 80 percent of the occupied units, and adheres to a policy that demonstrates intent to house persons who are 55 or older.

Therefore, housing that satisfies the legal definition of senior housing or housing for older persons described above, can legally exclude families with children.


citation:
Link (new window)

/not illegal.
 
2011-03-31 08:55:58 PM

cptjeff: LisaSimpson: Look I think this is ridiculous too. I loved playing outside as a kid. However their rationale makes sense if you look at this FTFA:

Scott said she recently spotted a girl playing on top of power meters while unsupervised. "I ran quickly to the mother, and said, 'Ma'am, please get your child before she gets hurt.' Her response was, 'I don't have to. My child can do what she wants,'" Scott said.

This is why we can't have nice things. fark you stupid parents for having the HOA needing to ruin it for everyone.

A kid climbing on things. Oh noes! Won't somebody think of the children! If they learn to be physically coordinated climbing 4 foot objects, just think of what they might climb next. Next thing you know, they could be reading books 20 feet up in trees!

Seriously. I got up to much, much more dangerous stuff as a kid. I'm still here, and I'm doing alright with the whole "in shape and great muscular coordination" stuff.


Wow, that's not what I was getting at. I can understand why they would want to do this (as much as I disagree with it). Its obnoxious parents who have this shiatty attitude about parenting. Look I don't know if the kid in question was in fact in danger. It might have been the HOA rep overreacting. But if the kids are being little shiats then the parents are partly the blame. The HOA gets the other half of the blame for resorting to this.
 
2011-03-31 08:56:12 PM
Pic of the Head of the Persimmon Place HOA Board:

img202.imageshack.us
 
2011-03-31 08:56:44 PM

dj_bigbird: "I think people forgot what it was like to be a kid and want to go outside and play,"

Maybe you shouldn't have bought a townhouse in a cramped complex with a no room for kids to play outside.

Normally, I'm the first to rail on HOAs, but if there's no space for them to play safely outside, they shouldn't be outside. Kids are stupid and have no perception of cars, come out from between parked cars, etc. (that being said, yes, there are plenty of idiot drivers, especially in FL).


This, It's not like they can refuse to rent or sell to people with kids for fear of a discrimination lawsuit.
Howsabout people with kids get a clue?
We bought a house with a large yard so we don't have to deal with this type of thing.

/mother
 
2011-03-31 08:56:45 PM
no pics from chitty chitty bang bang, that's chitty
 
2011-03-31 08:56:50 PM

Diogenes: The HOA board said the proposed rule....is all about safety.

Later....

The proposal states that "minor children will be under the direct control of a responsible adult at all times," and it would also ban the game of tag, skateboarding, Big Wheels, loud or obnoxious toys on "common property."

It's good to know the kids will be safe from obnoxious toys.


So, no more Harleys, John Deere lawnmowers, etc. Asssuming these laws apply to adults as well that is.
 
2011-03-31 08:57:41 PM

otterly_delicious: We are one of the few families of my son's friends who don't live with an HOA.
Kids love coming to the Little Otter's birthday parties.
Part of our backyard, ten 9 year old boys... no way they are coming inside.


Looks like an awesome place. :)

KimNorth: muck4doo: Diogenes: Complicit: dj_bigbird: Normally, I'm the first to rail on HOAs, but if there's no space for them to play safely outside, they shouldn't be outside. Kids are stupid and have no perception of cars, come out from between parked cars, etc. (that being said, yes, there are plenty of idiot drivers, especially in FL).

Yep. I'm not a fan of HOAs, and their motives may be less than pure, but they're still in the right here. Having a kid doesn't give you license to do whatever you want. You should have moved somewhere more kid-friendly.

FTA: They came in and rented (a home) in a community that does not have a playground and is not conducive to children.

It sounds to me like they're rental homes. In which case I question why they just didn't lease to people with kids in the first place.

That's illegal

Not in California they have parks and residental areas where NO KIDS allowed.


I don't see how that is legal. Are they private parks?

jfbnr24: muck4doo: Are the "55 and older" communities not allowing children? Some people do have children when they are older. I don't know how that works, so I'm guessing

Actually, yes, most "55 and over communities" do not allow residents under the age of 18 for more than 7 days (kids can come visit their grannies but then they have to leave).

We seriously investigated the possibilities of moving to one of these communities when my ex turned old enough (only reasonable priced housing in the Bay Area) but then realized our children would still be under the age requirement so it wouldn't work.


Like the poster stated above, it looks like the AARP got an exception to the anti-descrimination laws.
 
2011-03-31 08:57:42 PM
I live close by. I'm tempted to take a whole carload of kids over there just to play in the street until Kim Scott's head explodes. Please give us a couple dozen "violations" so the kids will have some extra paper to color on.
 
2011-03-31 08:58:22 PM
on one hand i hate HOA, on the other i hate other peoples kids so i dont care what side wins on this one
 
2011-03-31 08:59:17 PM
Wait. Power meters are dangerous? Get it away from my house!

/at least disconnect it
 
2011-03-31 09:01:43 PM

Tumunga: muck4doo: Diogenes: Complicit: dj_bigbird: Normally, I'm the first to rail on HOAs, but if there's no space for them to play safely outside, they shouldn't be outside. Kids are stupid and have no perception of cars, come out from between parked cars, etc. (that being said, yes, there are plenty of idiot drivers, especially in FL).

Yep. I'm not a fan of HOAs, and their motives may be less than pure, but they're still in the right here. Having a kid doesn't give you license to do whatever you want. You should have moved somewhere more kid-friendly.

FTA: They came in and rented (a home) in a community that does not have a playground and is not conducive to children.

It sounds to me like they're rental homes. In which case I question why they just didn't lease to people with kids in the first place.

That's illegal

found this on the inter-tubes:

Although the FHAct was amended in 1988 to prohibit discrimination on the basis of disability and familial status, Congress intended to preserve housing specifically designed to meet the needs of senior citizens. Housing that meets the FHAct definition of "housing for older persons" is exempt from the law's familial status requirements, provided that:

* HUD has determined that the dwelling is specifically designed for and occupied by elderly persons under a Federal, State or local government program or
* It is occupied solely by persons who are 62 or older or
* It houses at least one person who is 55 or older in at least 80 percent of the occupied units, and adheres to a policy that demonstrates intent to house persons who are 55 or older.

Therefore, housing that satisfies the legal definition of senior housing or housing for older persons described above, can legally exclude families with children.

citation:
Link (new window)

/not illegal.


Unless they set it up as a specifically senior citizens only neighborhood, it is illegal to discriminate against children.
 
2011-03-31 09:02:09 PM

Pollexabator: I live close by. I'm tempted to take a whole carload of kids over there just to play in the street until Kim Scott's head explodes. Please give us a couple dozen "violations" so the kids will have some extra paper to color on.


Yeah, disturbing other people and f*cking with rules is a great lesson to teach them.
Save the coloring for a restaurant where you can ruin diners meals.
 
2011-03-31 09:03:50 PM

GT_bike: no pics from chitty chitty bang bang, that's chitty


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2011-03-31 09:04:10 PM

KimNorth: brainiac-dumdum: "The laughter of children, it burns!"

You know what else burns is a deep scratch along the side of your parked new car done by the handle bars of a kids bike.


You know what else also burns, getting a dent in your car while your shopping from some asshat in a car. I guess we should ban adults with cars from parking near the store.
 
2011-03-31 09:04:55 PM
It sounds to me like they're rental homes. In which case I question why they just didn't lease to people with kids in the first place.

um, cause it's illegal?
 
2011-03-31 09:05:42 PM

CodeHero: GT_bike: no pics from chitty chitty bang bang, that's chitty


Nicely done. Perfect picture of some of the farkers posting in this thread.
 
2011-03-31 09:10:30 PM

LavenderWolf: KimNorth: brainiac-dumdum: "The laughter of children, it burns!"

You know what else burns is a deep scratch along the side of your parked new car done by the handle bars of a kids bike.

Yeah, I bet that's really irritating. Kids should be locked up for the safety of your car.

/Fark y'all, kids should be running around wherever they want.
//They're cooped up enough by modern media, they don't need your help


Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids while their parents are inside watching TV or smoking a dubie, give me the dubie and You the parent go watch YOUR kids!
 
2011-03-31 09:12:10 PM
images.icanhascheezburger.com
 
2011-03-31 09:14:03 PM

muck4doo: That's illegal


Don't worry, this will all come to a head someday... either discrimination will be allowed in rentals, or it will not be legal to disallow kids from playing.
 
2011-03-31 09:14:45 PM
I'm sure nobody here would tolerate a bunch of drunks in front of their window hooting and hollering and making all kinds of noise. How the fark is it any different when kids do it? Noise is farking noise and I don't want to hear any of it.
 
2011-03-31 09:15:18 PM

KimNorth: LavenderWolf: KimNorth: brainiac-dumdum: "The laughter of children, it burns!"

You know what else burns is a deep scratch along the side of your parked new car done by the handle bars of a kids bike.

Yeah, I bet that's really irritating. Kids should be locked up for the safety of your car.

/Fark y'all, kids should be running around wherever they want.
//They're cooped up enough by modern media, they don't need your help

Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids while their parents are inside watching TV or smoking a dubie, give me the dubie and You the parent go watch YOUR kids!


You aren't required to watch other people's children. I have no idea what gave you the idea that you were required to do such things.

What, you want the law to keep kids at least 100 feet away from you at all times? Dream on, moron.
 
2011-03-31 09:18:05 PM

KimNorth: Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids


I'm sorry, what? Are you being forced into babysitting against your will? You may want to contact the police about that. Slavery is no longer legal in the United States.
 
2011-03-31 09:18:46 PM

ThisNameSux: I'm sure nobody here would tolerate a bunch of drunks in front of their window hooting and hollering and making all kinds of noise. How the fark is it any different when kids do it? Noise is farking noise and I don't want to hear any of it.


Yeah, I'm sure they trespass on other peoples' property and play directly beneath other peoples' windows.

I hear kids in my neighbourhood all the time. Every day, I hear some punk hollering and hooting. And you know what? As long as they stay off my property I don't give a flying fark. They're kids. I was a kid once, and so were you, so get off your f*cking high horses, all of you.
 
2011-03-31 09:22:55 PM
ThisNameSux: I'm sure nobody here would tolerate a bunch of drunks in front of their window hooting and hollering and making all kinds of noise. How the fark is it any different when kids do it? Noise is farking noise and I don't want to hear any of it.

Jam screwdrivers deep into your ears -- you'll never be troubled again.

/I'm betting leafblowers are still OK though. Those aren't the least bit annoying, and they have a FUNCTION, not like play, which is totally useless.
 
2011-03-31 09:23:40 PM

LavenderWolf: KimNorth: LavenderWolf: KimNorth: brainiac-dumdum: "The laughter of children, it burns!"

You know what else burns is a deep scratch along the side of your parked new car done by the handle bars of a kids bike.

Yeah, I bet that's really irritating. Kids should be locked up for the safety of your car.

/Fark y'all, kids should be running around wherever they want.
//They're cooped up enough by modern media, they don't need your help

Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids while their parents are inside watching TV or smoking a dubie, give me the dubie and You the parent go watch YOUR kids!

You aren't required to watch other people's children. I have no idea what gave you the idea that you were required to do such things.

What, you want the law to keep kids at least 100 feet away from you at all times? Dream on, moron.


Dude I don't want the little angels playing tag running circles around my car or with their bike. I don't like it when they pick up the rocks from the landscaping and start to throw them at the homes. I WANT THE F-EN PARENTS TO WATCH THEIR KIDS!
Play outside all they wants yell, scream I don't care but someone needs to be watching them. Real simple MORON.
I bet your one of these sit at home and collect your check type who think it's always someone elses job to take care of things.
 
2011-03-31 09:24:22 PM
HOA's don't have unlimited authority over private property. The Fair Housing Act provides very broad protection of civil rights. Covenants that violate civil rights are unenforcible.

§ 100.65 Discrimination in terms, conditions and privileges and in services and facilities.

(a) It shall be unlawful, because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin, to impose different terms, conditions or privileges relating to the sale or rental of a dwelling or to deny or limit services or facilities in connection with the sale or rental of a dwelling.

(b) Prohibited actions under this section include, but are not limited to:

(1) Using different provisions in leases or contracts of sale, such as those relating to rental charges, security deposits and the terms of a lease and those relating to down payment and closing requirements, because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin.

(2) Failing or delaying maintenance or repairs of sale or rental dwellings because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin.

(3) Failing to process an offer for the sale or rental of a dwelling or to communicate an offer accurately because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin.

(4) Limiting the use of privileges, services or facilities associated with a dwelling because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin of an owner, tenant or a person associated with him or her.

(5) Denying or limiting services or facilities in connection with the sale or rental of a dwelling, because a person failed or refused to provide sexual favors.


If the HOA wants to restrict children's activities, they will need a regulatory framework that specifies activities that risk health and safety that are to be restricted and those restrictions would apply to all persons. Banning playing in the street could be OK, banning climbing on power boxes could be OK, but banning playing in a driveway is iffy. What health or safety concern is the HOA liable for in a driveway where the resident controls the vehicles that might use it? They can't ban children from being present in common areas, and they have to justify what activities they do restrict.

The Supreme Court specifically applied the 14th Amendment to outlawing race-based housing covenants. Private parties are not bound by the Constitution and you can sign away your rights all you want, but courts and their enforcement powers are limited by the Constitution. If you sign a lease saying you can't have an interracial marriage and then you violate that lease by getting interracially married, the court can't rule for the landlord in the dispute. In theory, this interpretation of the 14th Amendment encompass all rights that have been incorporated into it, and there should be little difference in personal freedom under a landlord or HOA who is private versus one who is public.

Unreasonable restrictions against children's or anyone's substantive due process rights would be discrimination under the Fair Housing Act.
 
2011-03-31 09:25:13 PM
Holy farking Aquabuddha. What is wrong with people these days? Have these twits forgotten what it's like to be a kid? Did they grow up hermetically sealed in a bubble? Did they spring fully-formed from their daddies' assholes?
 
2011-03-31 09:26:03 PM

jfbnr24: Bio-nic: We have very narrow roads, and the only access to the sub is over a hill which most people fly through @ 40mph. it's "A matter of time" as they say before something bad happens.

Is the road you refer to under HOA jurisdiction or city jurisdiction? If it is city, then the HOA won't be liable if the kids rolls three sixes. However, the park you put in will be HOA responsibility and would likely raise your insurance rates. Are the HOA members worried parents or people who want to get rid of the noise of the children?


The city, but in this litigious world, EVERYONE gets sued tends to happen.
 
2011-03-31 09:26:15 PM
This is one of those times where the discrimination thing screws stuff up. It should be perfectly legal to build a neighbourhood that is "no kids allowed", and then people who can't bloody stand the sight of anything under 18 can move there. I personally don't like kids, but if they're outside playing and being obvious, then they're not sneaking around causing trouble and they're not inside getting fat.

I live way out in the country, and the kids here run around on dirt bikes, 4-wheelers, and home-made go-karts. No, I don't want kids, and I'd be annoyed if they were on my property..but thats why I have a fence. Besides, I'll be honest - those go karts look like fun. I kinda want to build one now.

Bottom line, if you live somewhere where its legal to have kids living there, then its perfectly expected they're going to go outside to play. If you can't stand kids, don't live there. Conversely, if this place was openly saying its not kid-friendly when people were looking to move there, and they had kids, they shouldn't have moved there, either.
 
2011-03-31 09:27:45 PM

hotter than the ads: Bio-nic

//don's the flame retardant jammies.

Don is? I always thought it was Steve.


I caught that after the fact. WTB edit button for TFers, modmins!
 
2011-03-31 09:30:28 PM

Complicit: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: If you can't avoid children in this neighborhood, you shouldn't be driving.

If the children only play in the roads and driveways, then the neighbors have a right to take issue.


I take it that you end up with a lot of dogshiat on your step?
 
2011-03-31 09:30:40 PM

shoegaze99: KimNorth: Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids

I'm sorry, what? Are you being forced into babysitting against your will? You may want to contact the police about that. Slavery is no longer legal in the United States.


Great I'll send my kids over to your place and let them play around your cars and throw rocks shoot why should I have to look after them and be the only parent out there with 20 other kids f-it but don't come looking for me when something happens unless my kid gets hurt on your front lawn then I will sue you sound good to you hotshot?
 
2011-03-31 09:31:11 PM

KimNorth: LavenderWolf: KimNorth: LavenderWolf: KimNorth: brainiac-dumdum: "The laughter of children, it burns!"

You know what else burns is a deep scratch along the side of your parked new car done by the handle bars of a kids bike.

Yeah, I bet that's really irritating. Kids should be locked up for the safety of your car.

/Fark y'all, kids should be running around wherever they want.
//They're cooped up enough by modern media, they don't need your help

Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids while their parents are inside watching TV or smoking a dubie, give me the dubie and You the parent go watch YOUR kids!

You aren't required to watch other people's children. I have no idea what gave you the idea that you were required to do such things.

What, you want the law to keep kids at least 100 feet away from you at all times? Dream on, moron.

Dude I don't want the little angels playing tag running circles around my car or with their bike. I don't like it when they pick up the rocks from the landscaping and start to throw them at the homes. I WANT THE F-EN PARENTS TO WATCH THEIR KIDS!
Play outside all they wants yell, scream I don't care but someone needs to be watching them. Real simple MORON.
I bet your one of these sit at home and collect your check type who think it's always someone elses job to take care of things.


The things you describe are ALREADY ILLEGAL, you RETARD. Damaging someone else's property makes you liable for that damage, and if you are a minor, your parents are liable. If you're having trouble dealing with that outside of court, call the police and have them deal with vandals because that's their job.
 
2011-03-31 09:31:14 PM
kids STILL play in the street in my neighbourhood, particularly in the parking lot of the apartment building across the street, and we just get over it and move along.
 
2011-03-31 09:31:23 PM

KimNorth: Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids while their parents are inside watching TV or smoking a dubie, give me the dubie and You the parent go watch YOUR kids!


Why are you watching other people's kids.. perv much? My childhood was spent pretty far away from my parents' watchful eyes, we did many of the crazy things mentioned above by other posters. No one watched us doing these things, we were just being kids, having fun. In my time as a child, one kid cut off his thumb sticking it into a bicycle spoke after spinning it wildly while the bike was upside down, and one got her eye poked out. No one sued anyone, no one got all up in arms and banned bikes or the stick she was poked with.

No one needs to watch someone else's child unless they are paid to do it and then it becomes that person's responsibility. Otherwise, let the kids play without you nosing in on their business. The child is probably a lot more capable than you think or will bounce when they hit the ground.. we all did it, most of us survived. And most of our parents didn't sue when we scraped our knees or even when we broke bones or had to get stitches.. more often than not, our parents told us "well that was kind of dumb" and we learned from it.

On the topic of this HOA, if they provide a playground and supervision, more power to them. Supervision? Yep! I used to watch my kids from the front window, we had certain points on the block that they had to stop at and go no further. Force them to go around the block to play in a park somewhere that I can't see them? You better make damned sure they are safe.
 
2011-03-31 09:32:38 PM

KimNorth: shoegaze99: KimNorth: Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids

I'm sorry, what? Are you being forced into babysitting against your will? You may want to contact the police about that. Slavery is no longer legal in the United States.

Great I'll send my kids over to your place and let them play around your cars and throw rocks shoot why should I have to look after them and be the only parent out there with 20 other kids f-it but don't come looking for me when something happens unless my kid gets hurt on your front lawn then I will sue you sound good to you hotshot?


Jesus christ are you ever stupid.
 
2011-03-31 09:33:17 PM

KimNorth: Great I'll send my kids over to your place and let them play around your cars and throw rocks shoot why should I have to look after them and be the only parent out there with 20 other kids f-it but don't come looking for me when something happens unless my kid gets hurt on your front lawn then I will sue you sound good to you hotshot?


Wow.

Your prescription. It needs to be refilled.
 
2011-03-31 09:35:02 PM
I have no problem with this as long as they let perspective buyers know that this developement may not be so child freindly before they dropped a couple hundred gran on a home.

Houses are a major investment- why shouldn't the buyer not be allowed to decide on whether he wants to be awoken by the sound of plastic wheels scaping againt hard pavement starting at six in the morning or not.

People can decide on having kids or not- they cannot choose their skin color. You want kids: you may get set back in your plans a bit. It's called a sacrifice. I spent the first couple of years not going out to resturants as I could count on my kids to start crying ten minutes after our arrival. All my friends were parents of kids similar age. As the kids age, they want more independant time which means roaming the neighborhood. As a parent, it is your responsibility to find kid friendly neighborhoods and yes, look after the kids that hang around your place as well. It doesn't last forever but be aware that not everyone sees your kid as a precious gift to the world. Eventually they grow up and move on. Why should you not be allowed in a kid free zone once you've put in your time.

People who biatch about covenances that are not child friendly are the same morons who refuse to sit in the family section of a resturant because they don't like listening to the crying kids of other families.

Suck it up parents- it's only for a few years. Singles and empty nesters are already doing their share paying the taxes that keep your kid's school operational. Please don't expect them to sacrifice their personal space as well.

I'm a dad and i love my kids, but I can also understand those who have chosen to not have kids or who no longer live with their children wanting to live in a minimal kid environment.
 
2011-03-31 09:36:05 PM
Hedline made me guffaw, so kudos, subby

My spawn is playing outside right now so, uh, yeah, growing weary enough of that meme to not even fin-- man, those earlier breasty threads were something, yeah?

/happy, happy for my friends
 
2011-03-31 09:39:05 PM
KimNorth troll is best troll!
 
2011-03-31 09:39:38 PM

dj_bigbird: "I think people forgot what it was like to be a kid and want to go outside and play,"

Maybe you shouldn't have bought a townhouse in a cramped complex with a no room for kids to play outside.

Normally, I'm the first to rail on HOAs, but if there's no space for them to play safely outside, they shouldn't be outside. Kids are stupid and have no perception of cars, come out from between parked cars, etc. (that being said, yes, there are plenty of idiot drivers, especially in FL).


Because kids can only play in designated playgrounds? Because Parking lots are SO unsafe for kids? Ever been to a big city? kids manage to play in actual streets all the time
 
2011-03-31 09:39:44 PM

LavenderWolf: KimNorth: LavenderWolf: KimNorth: LavenderWolf: KimNorth: brainiac-dumdum: "The laughter of children, it burns!"

You know what else burns is a deep scratch along the side of your parked new car done by the handle bars of a kids bike.

Yeah, I bet that's really irritating. Kids should be locked up for the safety of your car.

/Fark y'all, kids should be running around wherever they want.
//They're cooped up enough by modern media, they don't need your help

Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids while their parents are inside watching TV or smoking a dubie, give me the dubie and You the parent go watch YOUR kids!

You aren't required to watch other people's children. I have no idea what gave you the idea that you were required to do such things.

What, you want the law to keep kids at least 100 feet away from you at all times? Dream on, moron.

Dude I don't want the little angels playing tag running circles around my car or with their bike. I don't like it when they pick up the rocks from the landscaping and start to throw them at the homes. I WANT THE F-EN PARENTS TO WATCH THEIR KIDS!
Play outside all they wants yell, scream I don't care but someone needs to be watching them. Real simple MORON.
I bet your one of these sit at home and collect your check type who think it's always someone elses job to take care of things.

The things you describe are ALREADY ILLEGAL, you RETARD. Damaging someone else's property makes you liable for that damage, and if you are a minor, your parents are liable. If you're having trouble dealing with that outside of court, call the police and have them deal with vandals because that's their job.


MAN YOU ARE CLUELESS, so tell me how do I figure out even with the cops which of the 20 kids did it??? What's that RETARD I can't hear you.....you don't the cops take a report you give it to your car insurance and cross your fingers it does not go up.
I sure hope you don't have kids but most likely your one of those out of sight out of mind parents.
 
2011-03-31 09:40:20 PM

KimNorth: shoegaze99: KimNorth: Yes well again why does there needs to play become MY PROBLEM! Why do I need to be out watching other peoples kids

I'm sorry, what? Are you being forced into babysitting against your will? You may want to contact the police about that. Slavery is no longer legal in the United States.

Great I'll send my kids over to your place and let them play around your cars and throw rocks shoot why should I have to look after them and be the only parent out there with 20 other kids f-it but don't come looking for me when something happens unless my kid gets hurt on your front lawn then I will sue you sound good to you hotshot?


We should shackle them and put them back to work in the coal mines where they can't be heard.

/Amirite!?!
 
2011-03-31 09:40:31 PM

clowncar on fire: I have a couple of teens myself. Unless you live 5 minutes from a mall, good luck prying them off Facebook and out the door.

To all those Farkers out there questioning your memories of "the good ol' days" and whether they really happened as we remember them: it really happened! We actually did get out of the house whenever we could and habitually stayed out long after curfew until our parents were lucky enough to dial the parents of the kid's house we were at playing no holds barred football at.

Back then...

...we stayed out of the house because it was actually fun. It was not a form revenge to punish our parents for making us load the dishwasher.



Newsletter please?
 
2011-03-31 09:41:47 PM
Townhome complex in FL? Probably full of pissy old coots & poor white trash who couldn't figure out they shouldn't be breeding.
 
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