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(Some Guy)   The Maine artist whose 36-foot mural was ordered removed from the state Labor Department says the art work should be returned and suggests hanging her late father's Bronze Star in its place until then   (wcsh6.com) divider line 205
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2011-03-31 05:32:34 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria: kimwim: EuphoniumEuphoria: turbidum:

No worries, I'm fine with civilly disagreeing. :-)

My father and both my grandfathers served, and I take immense pride in that. So if anyone criticized my artistic work in a way that doubted my patriotism, I'd proudly bring up their service.

/my Japanese-American grandfather enlisted to prove that he was truly American.
//my Japanese-American grandmother was interned.
///my Japanese-American father gets angry when I question American exceptionalism.

Amazing grandparents, I must say.

I don't think this was a patriotic disagreement, either. She was the one who brought up the fact that her father was a Korean War veteran and was awarded the Bronze Star. She was commissioned to do a piece on labour, not the military. If it were that way, I would be upset, too.

It was compared to North Korean propaganda, her father was in the service at that time earning a bronze star. I think she was perfectly correct in bringing that fact up.

I am not aware whether or not she addressed this letter. It just seems like she's using the whole thing as leverage. She's no better than the dependents who throw their military family member's service/rank around to try and get their way.


STFU you cock.

You don't even have to RTFA to get it, the explanation is right among these comments. Her father is in the mural, he fought in Korea, and LePage is calling her mural the kind of thing you'd see in North Korea, while he goes around acting like a petty Stalin erasing the memory of people from the wrong party. fark that farker.


LePage is a giant douche. He can barely go a week without making a total ass of himself. Example: 3 months into his term, he's taking a week vaction. During a continuing dispute over him disrespecting working people.

He's a farking moron.
 
2011-03-31 05:33:14 PM  
Why stop at hanging up her father's medal? Maybe she should send some union thugs to go break the governor's legs.
 
2011-03-31 05:35:17 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Yes, because I think that, since the mural was taken down anyway, that it be moved to a place where a lot of people can see and appreciate it, I'm being partisan.


If you were not an apologist you would have been on the side of the artist who created it not the republican who took it down because of "some complaints". Why are you so against putting it back where it belongs?
 
2011-03-31 05:40:47 PM  

sseye: EuphoniumEuphoria: kimwim: EuphoniumEuphoria: turbidum:

No worries, I'm fine with civilly disagreeing. :-)

My father and both my grandfathers served, and I take immense pride in that. So if anyone criticized my artistic work in a way that doubted my patriotism, I'd proudly bring up their service.

/my Japanese-American grandfather enlisted to prove that he was truly American.
//my Japanese-American grandmother was interned.
///my Japanese-American father gets angry when I question American exceptionalism.

Amazing grandparents, I must say.

I don't think this was a patriotic disagreement, either. She was the one who brought up the fact that her father was a Korean War veteran and was awarded the Bronze Star. She was commissioned to do a piece on labour, not the military. If it were that way, I would be upset, too.

It was compared to North Korean propaganda, her father was in the service at that time earning a bronze star. I think she was perfectly correct in bringing that fact up.

I am not aware whether or not she addressed this letter. It just seems like she's using the whole thing as leverage. She's no better than the dependents who throw their military family member's service/rank around to try and get their way.

STFU you cock.

You don't even have to RTFA to get it, the explanation is right among these comments. Her father is in the mural, he fought in Korea, and LePage is calling her mural the kind of thing you'd see in North Korea, while he goes around acting like a petty Stalin erasing the memory of people from the wrong party. fark that farker.


LePage is a giant douche. He can barely go a week without making a total ass of himself. Example: 3 months into his term, he's taking a week vaction. During a continuing dispute over him disrespecting working people.

He's a farking moron.


Way to take a civil disagreement and turn it into something nasty. We were not fighting each other, merely stating each others opinions and going from there.

I will state it again since you didn't seem to bother reading my posts.

The mural was commissioned for the laborers. Not military members. She could have waved her cock without her father's Bronze Star pinned to it, and instead something more along the lines of the glory of the laborers overcoming some obstacle. Instead, she took her father's service and his decoration and complained.

I am not white knighting LePage. What he is doing is shiatty. But I find her actions to be absolutely disgraceful.
 
2011-03-31 05:44:49 PM  

grumpyguru: She got paid for the mural, she doesn't get to have a say in either its display or storage.


She does, according to the contract. She has to be notified in advance if it's going to be moved, and she has the right to give "advice and consent" as to where it will be displayed. The governor's office seemingly fulfilled neither of those requirements.
 
2011-03-31 05:47:10 PM  

Headso: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Yes, because I think that, since the mural was taken down anyway, that it be moved to a place where a lot of people can see and appreciate it, I'm being partisan.

If you were not an apologist you would have been on the side of the artist who created it not the republican who took it down because of "some complaints". Why are you so against putting it back where it belongs?


Why would I automatically be on her side if I were not an "apologist?" I'm sorry, but I just can't muster up the requisite outrage that art was moved when a new Governor took office. Furnishings are changed with every administration. Should I also be upset that LePage may have changed the drapes? What about the carpet? The people that put them there obviously intended for them to be there.

The artist said that this was the commission of a lifetime. Her commission then hung in that place for three years. It will be moved so other people can see it as well. She should be appreciative that it wasn't outright destroyed, since Republicans obviously have this deep seated hatred of all things art related.

Sorry, but on my "Give a shiat-o-meter," this barely registers. The terms of the contract seem to have been filled.

And honestly, if it were meant to be a permanent fixture, why wasn't it painted directly onto the wall like most murals are? Why are they painted into frames? The artist obviously did not intend for it to be a permanent fixture.
 
2011-03-31 05:48:53 PM  

someonelse: grumpyguru: She got paid for the mural, she doesn't get to have a say in either its display or storage.

She does, according to the contract. She has to be notified in advance if it's going to be moved, and she has the right to give "advice and consent" as to where it will be displayed. The governor's office seemingly fulfilled neither of those requirements.


Wow, not even reading the thread these days? She was quoted in an article about the impending removal on March 23rd. The mural was not moved until March 26/27. She was aware that it was being removed. And she does not have advise and consent rights. She has advise and consult rights. She cannot veto where the painting is moved to, but her input may be required. That's it.

She can stamp her feet all she wants, but at the end of the day, the painting will be moved and I imagine there is little that anyone can do about it.
 
2011-03-31 05:49:33 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Old_Chief_Scott: I don't know. Why are they even spending money on a mural anyway? Couldn't they just get Hector down in building services to come up and put on a fresh coat of beige? I mean, he's already on the payroll for Christ's sake.

How do you know where I work? Oh, right, I'm the only Hector in Maine.


Sorry about calling you out there, man, but what would happen if this biatch starts painting murals all over the walls? You would be out of work! Out on the mean streets! All because some self-important bimbo wanted to paint pedestrian art!
 
2011-03-31 05:54:50 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Wow, not even reading the thread these days? She was quoted in an article about the impending removal on March 23rd.


I don't know where you're getting the March 23rd date. The link you quoted, which I also quoted upthread, says, "In past media reports, Taylor has stated that the administration has not contacted her about the mural's relocation, adding Monday that she does not know where her artwork is being stored."
 
2011-03-31 06:00:49 PM  
She should have considered how she was shaming her father when she created that mural honoring people who have the gall to work for a living.
 
2011-03-31 06:01:29 PM  

someonelse: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Wow, not even reading the thread these days? She was quoted in an article about the impending removal on March 23rd.

I don't know where you're getting the March 23rd date. The link you quoted, which I also quoted upthread, says, "In past media reports, Taylor has stated that the administration has not contacted her about the mural's relocation, adding Monday that she does not know where her artwork is being stored."


march 23rd Sun Journal Article about removal. Removal was not until March 26/27. She was aware prior to removal that it would be removed. Otherwise, how would they have gotten a quote from her about being heartbroken about it?

And like I said above, the only part of the case that she might have merit on was the "advise and consult" portion about relocation. To be honest, that's a pretty conciliatory provision of the contract. The artwork is no longer hers, but the State still lets her give input as to where it is displayed. But we don't know. Maybe Gov. LePage will give her a call and ask her where, other than the DoL, she would like it to be displayed. It seems like Portland is eager to display the mural. I imagine that, in light of the fact that it will no longer hang in the DoL, regardless of her wishes, that she'd be fine with it hanging somewhere where people can see it.
 
2011-03-31 06:03:34 PM  

cretinbob: //Congratulations Maine, Your governor has just made you all members of the Douchebag club


Unfortunately this is the result of a tragic split election. There was a very good democrat candidate, and an outstanding third party candidate both running against him. He only narrowly beat them (they were also quite close). If either had not run, he would have been crushed.

And we have no way to get rid of the guy.
 
2011-03-31 06:04:20 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? She got paid to paint a mural, it was displayed in a public building, and now it's been removed.

Who farking cares?


I always find it hilarious when some dumbass asks the question "who cares" in a thread full of people that very obviously give a shiat.

Here's a protip, genius: If you have to ask the question "who cares?", then it's because somebody cares, and your question is already answered before you asked it.

If, on the other hand, nobody cares, then you won't need to ask the question at all since the point will never be raised.

I hope that's been helpful to you.
 
2011-03-31 06:04:22 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria: The mural was commissioned for the laborers. Not military members. She could have waved her cock without her father's Bronze Star pinned to it, and instead something more along the lines of the glory of the laborers overcoming some obstacle. Instead, she took her father's service and his decoration and complained.


her father, who was in the farking mural. you're not very bright.

I am not white knighting LePage. What he is doing is shiatty. But I find her actions to be absolutely disgraceful.

yes you are, be a man and own it. because you are an apologist, period. you don't want to understand the issues at all, as you've clearly shown.

you want to know who turned the discourse nasty? LePage. The turd didn't even crack 40% of the vote and he's throwing his weight around like he owned the joint and wasting his time on dickish political stunts involving signs, that is when he isn't race baiting in the whitest state in the nation.

That's the problem here. I don't give a shiat what the artist said, it really doesn't matter. But it is notable that LePage's grandstanding BS makes even less sense given the facts of the situation than it does standing on its own.
 
2011-03-31 06:08:59 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria:
The mural was commissioned for the laborers. Not military members. She could have waved her cock without her father's Bronze Star pinned to it, and instead something more along the lines of the glory of the laborers overcoming some obstacle. Instead, she took her father's service and his decoration and complained.


Someone accused the mural of being like a piece of North Korean propaganda. The Governor, implicitly agreeing with this complaint, had the mural removed. The artist's father, whom she honoured in the mural, was a decorated veteran of the Korean war. You find it disgusting that she should strongly take umbrage with the accusation and explain why? I'm sorry, but I just can't fathom your position at all.
 
2011-03-31 06:17:37 PM  

sseye: EuphoniumEuphoria: The mural was commissioned for the laborers. Not military members. She could have waved her cock without her father's Bronze Star pinned to it, and instead something more along the lines of the glory of the laborers overcoming some obstacle. Instead, she took her father's service and his decoration and complained.

her father, who was in the farking mural. you're not very bright.

I am not white knighting LePage. What he is doing is shiatty. But I find her actions to be absolutely disgraceful.

yes you are, be a man and own it. because you are an apologist, period. you don't want to understand the issues at all, as you've clearly shown.

you want to know who turned the discourse nasty? LePage. The turd didn't even crack 40% of the vote and he's throwing his weight around like he owned the joint and wasting his time on dickish political stunts involving signs, that is when he isn't race baiting in the whitest state in the nation.

That's the problem here. I don't give a shiat what the artist said, it really doesn't matter. But it is notable that LePage's grandstanding BS makes even less sense given the facts of the situation than it does standing on its own.


That's fair. I still do not agree with her actions.
 
2011-03-31 06:20:10 PM  

DuncanMhor: EuphoniumEuphoria:
The mural was commissioned for the laborers. Not military members. She could have waved her cock without her father's Bronze Star pinned to it, and instead something more along the lines of the glory of the laborers overcoming some obstacle. Instead, she took her father's service and his decoration and complained.

Someone accused the mural of being like a piece of North Korean propaganda. The Governor, implicitly agreeing with this complaint, had the mural removed. The artist's father, whom she honoured in the mural, was a decorated veteran of the Korean war. You find it disgusting that she should strongly take umbrage with the accusation and explain why? I'm sorry, but I just can't fathom your position at all.


The article stated that the letter could have been the reason LePage was looking for to get rid of the mural.

A mural of people working.

Not in honor of the military.
 
2011-03-31 06:46:02 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: march 23rd Sun Journal Article about removal. Removal was not until March 26/27. She was aware prior to removal that it would be removed. Otherwise, how would they have gotten a quote from her about being heartbroken about it?


Did the department or the governor notify her, or did the paper call her for a quote? I didn't read anything in the article about her being notified by the state. Maybe the governor's office was thinking "hearing about it from a reporter" counts as prior notification.
 
2011-03-31 07:03:24 PM  

someonelse: The_Six_Fingered_Man: march 23rd Sun Journal Article about removal. Removal was not until March 26/27. She was aware prior to removal that it would be removed. Otherwise, how would they have gotten a quote from her about being heartbroken about it?

Did the department or the governor notify her, or did the paper call her for a quote? I didn't read anything in the article about her being notified by the state. Maybe the governor's office was thinking "hearing about it from a reporter" counts as prior notification.


According to the contract, it doesn't specify how notification is to be carried out. Since the Maine Arts Commission has been in contact with the Administration, perhaps it was the Commission that notified her. Regardless, she was notified before it came down.
 
2011-03-31 07:22:54 PM  

canyoneer: I mean really: Who cares about the history of Maine labor?


Well, certainly not the Maine Department of Labor.
 
2011-03-31 07:23:57 PM  

sweetmelissa31: The mural was removed last weekend after Gov. Paul LePage said it was one-sided and out of line with his pro-business agenda.

Poor people working = one-sided. Do they want another mural with rich people hanging out on their yachts?


What amazes me is he said this. He said, "it is against my personal politics of supporting the rich," in no uncertain terms.

But calling republican fascist or monarchist is "out of line" and "conspiracy-mongering."
 
2011-03-31 07:38:04 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Sorry, but on my "Give a shiat-o-meter," this barely registers. The terms of the contract seem to have been filled.


You sure post a lot in a thread related to something that barely registers on your "give a shiat-o-meter."

Also, I argue that since the art has already been relocated (to the storage facility that the governor won't identify) without the artists "advise and consent" then the terms of the contract have not been met.

Unrelated to your post, I just wanted to comment that this governor sure acts a hell of a lot more arrogant than I would If I only got roughly 1/3 of the vote.
 
2011-03-31 07:42:36 PM  

someonelse: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? She got paid to paint a mural, it was displayed in a public building, and now it's been removed.

Who farking cares?

It's removal is apparently in violation of the department's contract with the artist. Link (new window)

How about this: The governor doesn't like the mural celebrating labor history in the Labor Department? Who farking cares?


It only says that she can "advise and consult" not that she has a right of refusal. She traded a year of her life for $60,000. Lots of Mainers think that would be a goddamn good wage. Once she accepted the $60,000 for the painting, she no longer owned the painting. If she wanted to control where the painting was shown, she shouldn't have sold it.
 
2011-03-31 08:05:06 PM  
Why do Republicans hate ...

... workers?
... artists?
... unions?
... the poor?
... the elderly?
... minorities?
... the middle class?
... teachers?
... education?
... the environment?
...
...
...
 
2011-03-31 08:05:07 PM  
I think this would be an excellent subject for a fark contest: show us a mural that represents the attitudes of the current GOP and their pro-business agenda.
 
2011-03-31 08:10:36 PM  

The Homer Tax: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Sorry, but on my "Give a shiat-o-meter," this barely registers. The terms of the contract seem to have been filled.

You sure post a lot in a thread related to something that barely registers on your "give a shiat-o-meter."

Also, I argue that since the art has already been relocated (to the storage facility that the governor won't identify) without the artists "advise and consent" then the terms of the contract have not been met.

Unrelated to your post, I just wanted to comment that this governor sure acts a hell of a lot more arrogant than I would If I only got roughly 1/3 of the vote.


Once again, the rights are not "advise and consent." They are "advise and consult." There is a hell of a difference. Consent implies a veto power. Consult implies that she's permitted to input ideas, but the State is under no obligation to listen or accept the ideas.
 
2011-03-31 08:35:57 PM  

zahadum party planner Quote 2011-03-31 08:05:07 PM
I think this would be an excellent subject for a fark contest: show us a mural that represents the attitudes of the current GOP and their pro-business agenda.


no need


i796.photobucket.com

i796.photobucket.com
 
2011-03-31 08:40:57 PM  

karmaceutical: I would hope that a state governor would have more on his mind that some perceived political narrative in public artwork.


Obviously not

GORDON: So if your Dad was a good person, that makes you a good person?


Yeah, that's usually how it works out. Not always, but usually. The converse is also true.
 
2011-03-31 08:48:07 PM  
What a North Korean Propaganda mural might look like...

i614.photobucket.com
 
2011-03-31 09:11:08 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Once again, the rights are not "advise and consent." They are "advise and consult." There is a hell of a difference. Consent implies a veto power. Consult implies that she's permitted to input ideas, but the State is under no obligation to listen or accept the ideas.


You're missing the point. They've *already* re-located the artwork. I never said anything about consent. But, if they've already re-located the artwork, they've done so without the advise and consult of the artist. Therefore, they have violated the terms of the contract.
 
2011-03-31 09:25:34 PM  

bunner: Sorry... twitchy about fascism and this sh*t is fascism.


I thought it was a reference to an NBC sitcom.
 
2011-03-31 09:52:03 PM  

cretinbob: Look for the union label
when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse.

Remember somewhere our union's sewing,
our wages going to feed the kids, and run the house.

We work hard, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the I.L.G. we're paying our way!

So always look for the union label,
it says we're able to make it in the U.S.A.!


//Congratulations Maine, Your governor has just made you all members of the Douchebag club


Fark that. I didn't vote for him, and neither did 62 percent of the other voters.

We need run-offs.
 
2011-03-31 10:09:27 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Who gives a shiat? She got paid to paint a mural, it was displayed in a public building, and now it's been removed.

Who farking cares?

I always find it hilarious when some dumbass asks the question "who cares" in a thread full of people that very obviously give a shiat.

Here's a protip, genius: If you have to ask the question "who cares?", then it's because somebody cares, and your question is already answered before you asked it.

If, on the other hand, nobody cares, then you won't need to ask the question at all since the point will never be raised.

I hope that's been helpful to you.


look up 'rhetorical question' in a dictionary.

I hope that will be helpful to you.
 
2011-03-31 10:13:04 PM  
You know who else had a problem with "degenerate art?"
 
2011-03-31 11:15:34 PM  
On the lighter side, you know it is good art when people get so pissed off they have to get rid of it. Way to go, artist guy.
 
2011-03-31 11:59:17 PM  

justanothersumguy: What a North Korean Propaganda mural might look like...


Is that a missile or a giant metal sheath for his erection?
 
2011-04-01 02:04:41 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Running a business and making money would be so much easier if it weren't for those pesky workers. For that matter, just imagine how wonderful this country would be if we could just get rid of people and their annoying "rights" altogether and just create a place where businesses can exist in utopian environment completely free of human concerns. And guns. We would still need lots of guns.

Ah, the Republican dream.


That was part of the plan for Iraq.. we invade, and replace their constitution with one that makes it a 'free market' paradise. Of course, invading a country to replace their constitution is highly illegal, so the expected influx of big business interest didn't materialize.
 
2011-04-01 02:12:08 AM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Hector Remarkable: Old_Chief_Scott: I don't know. Why are they even spending money on a mural anyway? Couldn't they just get Hector down in building services to come up and put on a fresh coat of beige? I mean, he's already on the payroll for Christ's sake.

How do you know where I work? Oh, right, I'm the only Hector in Maine.

Sorry about calling you out there, man, but what would happen if this biatch starts painting murals all over the walls? You would be out of work! Out on the mean streets! All because some self-important bimbo wanted to paint pedestrian art!


Yeah, you're right. The mean, cold streets of Maine. I think I'm going back to New York anyway. Or Santa Cruz. Or Maybe L.A.
 
2011-04-01 02:13:02 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: trotsky: See kids? THIS is Communism. Acutally, more like Stalinism, where history is re-written to exclude elements that the ruling elite deem inappropriate for their narration. And it is their narration as well, we don't matter.

This turd in Maine needs a history lesson.

History isn't being rewritten you overdramatic schmuck.


According to whom?
 
2011-04-01 02:40:55 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Ok, this thread has been godwinned. I'm out. You retards continue to argue over nothing.


It was Godwinned by the governor when he started looking for evil pro-people art to get rid of.
 
2011-04-01 08:14:41 AM  

wambu: "... suggests hanging her late father's Bronze Star Medal in its place until then."

I respect her father's service, but what does it have to do with this issue?

It cheapens the honor of his service to use it as a straw man in this debate. If her father hated people of color, would mentioning his Bronze Star somehow make that an acceptable and valid point of view?

It's a cheap move on the daughter's part. It makes it appear as if her father's art has no merit on its own accord.

tag for dad; for daughter.


He was from Maine, what do you mean if he hated people of color?
 
2011-04-01 08:21:38 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Douche: DarnoKonrad: I doubt an anonymous letter to the FCC complaining Fox's use of the public airwaves is reminiscent of fascism would be as effective.

You talking about Fox News? The cable/satellite station? The one that doesn't use public airwaves? Or are you talking about your local Fox affiliate?




Actually, News Corp owns 27 U.S. stations, as well as producing content propaganda for their affiliates.
 
2011-04-01 09:00:03 AM  

Kommissar: Her dad's service doesn't have anything to do with her art. Get over it biatch.


You're either a dip shait that didn't read tfa, or a very bad troll. Either way, you vacuum.
 
2011-04-01 11:37:21 AM  

Jamieboy: Kommissar: Her dad's service doesn't have anything to do with her art. Get over it biatch.

You're either a dip shait that didn't read tfa, or a very bad troll. Either way, you vacuum.


I suspect it's not an either/or situation.
 
2011-04-01 11:41:28 AM  

John Buck 41: cretinbob: Look for the union label
when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse.

Remember somewhere our union's sewing,
our wages going to feed the kids, and run the house.

We work hard, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the I.L.G. we're paying our way!

So always look for the union label,
it says we're able to make it in the U.S.A.!


//Congratulations Maine, Your governor has just made you all members of the Douchebag club

Fark that. I didn't vote for him, and neither did 62 percent of the other voters.

We need run-offs.


No offense, but you have to back to Brennan to have a Governor who didn't have 60% of the votes against them for their first term. People who whine that Maine needs a 50%+1 law now are a bunch of whiny babies.

The Democrats ran a crap candidate and the stealth Democrat running as an (I) gambit failed. TFB.
 
2011-04-01 12:41:49 PM  

justanothersumguy: What a North Korean Propaganda mural might look like...

i614.photobucket.com

Why does the US soldier look slightly Asian? Don't they put their best artists on this important work or are they all busy doing The Simpsons?
 
2011-04-01 12:50:17 PM  

The Homer Tax: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Once again, the rights are not "advise and consent." They are "advise and consult." There is a hell of a difference. Consent implies a veto power. Consult implies that she's permitted to input ideas, but the State is under no obligation to listen or accept the ideas.

You're missing the point. They've *already* re-located the artwork. I never said anything about consent. But, if they've already re-located the artwork, they've done so without the advise and consult of the artist. Therefore, they have violated the terms of the contract.


You never said anything about consent?

What was this then?

The Homer Tax: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Sorry, but on my "Give a shiat-o-meter," this barely registers. The terms of the contract seem to have been filled.

You sure post a lot in a thread related to something that barely registers on your "give a shiat-o-meter."

Also, I argue that since the art has already been relocated (to the storage facility that the governor won't identify) without the artists "advise and consent" then the terms of the contract have not been met.

Unrelated to your post, I just wanted to comment that this governor sure acts a hell of a lot more arrogant than I would If I only got roughly 1/3 of the vote.


And the relocation is not complete. It's in storage at the moment. Does she need to be able to advise on any time the painting needs to be moved for any reason? Does she need to be consulted if the painting had to come down for cleaning or fumigation purposes? I would argue that the advise and consult portion comes into play when discussing a new permanent home, not a storage location.
 
2011-04-01 03:45:34 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: The Homer Tax: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Once again, the rights are not "advise and consent." They are "advise and consult." There is a hell of a difference. Consent implies a veto power. Consult implies that she's permitted to input ideas, but the State is under no obligation to listen or accept the ideas.

You're missing the point. They've *already* re-located the artwork. I never said anything about consent. But, if they've already re-located the artwork, they've done so without the advise and consult of the artist. Therefore, they have violated the terms of the contract.

You never said anything about consent?

What was this then?

The Homer Tax: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Sorry, but on my "Give a shiat-o-meter," this barely registers. The terms of the contract seem to have been filled.

You sure post a lot in a thread related to something that barely registers on your "give a shiat-o-meter."

Also, I argue that since the art has already been relocated (to the storage facility that the governor won't identify) without the artists "advise and consent" then the terms of the contract have not been met.

Unrelated to your post, I just wanted to comment that this governor sure acts a hell of a lot more arrogant than I would If I only got roughly 1/3 of the vote.

And the relocation is not complete. It's in storage at the moment. Does she need to be able to advise on any time the painting needs to be moved for any reason? Does she need to be consulted if the painting had to come down for cleaning or fumigation purposes? I would argue that the advise and consult portion comes into play when discussing a new permanent home, not a storage location.

One says the contracting agency -- the Department of Labor -- agrees that the artist and the Maine Arts Commission will be notified if, for any reason, "the work has to be removed or moved to a new location."


The contract doesn't say anything about a new permanent home. It says move for any reason. You seem to be saying that storage isn't moving. Certainly we can agree the removing covers what was done, right?
 
2011-04-01 08:41:33 PM  

swamp_of_dumb: John Buck 41: cretinbob: Look for the union label
when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse.

Remember somewhere our union's sewing,
our wages going to feed the kids, and run the house.

We work hard, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the I.L.G. we're paying our way!

So always look for the union label,
it says we're able to make it in the U.S.A.!


//Congratulations Maine, Your governor has just made you all members of the Douchebag club

Fark that. I didn't vote for him, and neither did 62 percent of the other voters.

We need run-offs.

No offense, but you have to back to Brennan to have a Governor who didn't have 60% of the votes against them for their first term. People who whine that Maine needs a 50%+1 law now are a bunch of whiny babies.

The Democrats ran a crap candidate and the stealth Democrat running as an (I) gambit failed. TFB.


With all due respect, I've always advocated for 50+%, but you didn't know that when you inferred I was a whiny baby.

The problem (LePage) is just the most glaring example of why we should.
 
2011-04-02 09:59:59 AM  
Bet you didn't know her husband was a Farker since 2005. Thanks for all the support and laughs. As for the trolls... well trolls will be trolls. !
 
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