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(Some Guy)   The Maine artist whose 36-foot mural was ordered removed from the state Labor Department says the art work should be returned and suggests hanging her late father's Bronze Star in its place until then   (wcsh6.com) divider line 205
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2011-03-31 04:32:38 PM  

someonelse: You know this how?


He read it on the internet.
 
2011-03-31 04:32:48 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: And she was notified and consulted as per the contract. And now she's using daddy's medal to attention whore.


there was a point to her saying that, read the article.
 
2011-03-31 04:33:01 PM  
ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com

Approves.
 
2011-03-31 04:33:15 PM  

bunner: The mural was removed last weekend after Gov. Paul LePage said it was biased toward organized labor and out of line with his pro-business agenda.



Approves.


Ya, save zis one for das exhibition uf deviant art.
 
2011-03-31 04:33:18 PM  
Thanks Dow Jones for reminding me why I had you highlighted as 'Giant Douche'.
 
2011-03-31 04:33:49 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: someonelse: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: And she was notified and consulted as per the contract.

You know this how?

I don't, but it's a reasonable assumption.


I can tell you how. Because, on March 23rd, she's quoted in an article about the removal, which did not take place until 3/4 days later. Therefore, she was notified that the mural was being removed.

The advise and consult bit I don't know about.
 
2011-03-31 04:34:40 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Ok, this thread has been godwinned. I'm out. You retards continue to argue over nothing.


Do you have any idea what a stupid "internet rule" it is to say "Um, any mention of Nazis and the thread Iz teh 0V3R!1"?

Do you?

This ain't hopscotch.

It's discourse.
 
2011-03-31 04:37:08 PM  
What are the workers going to do, get together and out smart their bosses? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...
 
2011-03-31 04:37:12 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Ok, this thread has been godwinned. I'm out. You retards continue to argue over nothing.


Pussy. You lost this argument. LePage is a respected politician, right? Not an attention whoring douche-bag who wants to slurp the cock of big business. But the artist is an attention whore using her dad's medal.

You are a pathetic, weak troll. One of the worst on here. At least Gary and Phil just keep truckin' with made up facts and ideology. You can't even put together a good argument. Go collect your paycheck from the Koch brothers backed organization paying you to shill.

Don't forget to tell them you lost.
 
2011-03-31 04:37:43 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: They didn't purchase a painting she had already completed, they commissioned her to paint one for them. There is likely a contract, but if it indeed mandated public display for x amount of time, I'd think the artist would be filing a lawsuit instead of attention whoring via her dead father.


Also, please go fark yourself for referring to her pride in her father's service as "attention whoring via her dead father." She included him in the mural, and then when she had her work compared to North Korean propaganda, she rightfully responded that her father served in Korea.

She is standing up for her work, which I'm sure is duly influenced by her father's service. Artists are like bathroom rugs, soaking up EVERYTHING (and becoming more and more disgusting in the process).
 
2011-03-31 04:39:05 PM  
This biatch gets a hero tag for name-dropping her father's medal?
 
2011-03-31 04:40:08 PM  

turbidum: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: They didn't purchase a painting she had already completed, they commissioned her to paint one for them. There is likely a contract, but if it indeed mandated public display for x amount of time, I'd think the artist would be filing a lawsuit instead of attention whoring via her dead father.

Also, please go fark yourself for referring to her pride in her father's service as "attention whoring via her dead father." She included him in the mural, and then when she had her work compared to North Korean propaganda, she rightfully responded that her father served in Korea.

She is standing up for her work, which I'm sure is duly influenced by her father's service. Artists are like bathroom rugs, soaking up EVERYTHING (and becoming more and more disgusting in the process).


There's honoring your relative's military service, and then there's using his/her service to get a leg up in a disagreement.
 
2011-03-31 04:40:54 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: someonelse: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: And she was notified and consulted as per the contract.

You know this how?

I don't, but it's a reasonable assumption.


So is the possibility that the artist wasn't notified. Which she is on record as saying.

The Bangor Daily News says the painting is being kept at an undisclosed location -- a claim you previously dismissed as rumor.
 
2011-03-31 04:42:40 PM  
You think that mural's bad, I heard about an anti-business book called "the Jungle." Not only does it NOT portray big business heads as benevolent patriots, but they are stocking this book in public libraries with MY tax dollars!!!

The American people should not be supporting anything pro labor. I know a preacher man who does wonderful book burnings. Let us get rid of these anti-business relics of the past forever. For freedom.
 
2011-03-31 04:42:43 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: LePage wants to move it to a state museum. Probably a better place for it.


Why do you believe that is a better place for it, versus where it was intended to be?
 
2011-03-31 04:43:50 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria: turbidum: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: They didn't purchase a painting she had already completed, they commissioned her to paint one for them. There is likely a contract, but if it indeed mandated public display for x amount of time, I'd think the artist would be filing a lawsuit instead of attention whoring via her dead father.

Also, please go fark yourself for referring to her pride in her father's service as "attention whoring via her dead father." She included him in the mural, and then when she had her work compared to North Korean propaganda, she rightfully responded that her father served in Korea.

She is standing up for her work, which I'm sure is duly influenced by her father's service. Artists are like bathroom rugs, soaking up EVERYTHING (and becoming more and more disgusting in the process).

There's honoring your relative's military service, and then there's using his/her service to get a leg up in a disagreement.


If her father weren't in the mural and if her work hadn't been compared to North Korean propaganda, I'd agree with you. But he is, and it was.
 
2011-03-31 04:44:09 PM  

radiumsoup: fine, let it come back, with 1 additional panel:

Panel 12, "Modern union era" depicting members of an overpaid and redundant workforce keeping 2 people unproductive where there could have been 3 people working elsewhere doing more productive jobs.

Unions had their purpose once upon a time, but now they're just a racket.


Without them we'll go straight back to the way it was before the unions.

If Federal and State laws adequately protected workers, then great. Note: France does this and has little by way of unions.
 
2011-03-31 04:46:13 PM  

turbidum: If her father weren't in the mural and if her work hadn't been compared to North Korean propaganda, I'd agree with you. But he is, and it was.


^

/Worth repeating
 
2011-03-31 04:47:37 PM  

Baron Krelve: The artist is a douche for dick waving daddys medal to support her business. The governor is a douche for crying communism.


well at least nobody voted for the artist in the last gubernatorial election
 
2011-03-31 04:50:13 PM  

special20: Yeah. One anonymous letter writer apparently has the power of one underwear bomber, or one shoe bomber. Nice.


anonymous my ass. I'm guessing it was the Governor's owner.
 
2011-03-31 04:50:22 PM  
i125.photobucket.com
 
2011-03-31 04:50:26 PM  
www.undergroundprogressive.com

"Pipe down, sugar pie. You're pissing off the people who matter."
 
2011-03-31 04:51:21 PM  

turbidum: EuphoniumEuphoria: turbidum: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: They didn't purchase a painting she had already completed, they commissioned her to paint one for them. There is likely a contract, but if it indeed mandated public display for x amount of time, I'd think the artist would be filing a lawsuit instead of attention whoring via her dead father.

Also, please go fark yourself for referring to her pride in her father's service as "attention whoring via her dead father." She included him in the mural, and then when she had her work compared to North Korean propaganda, she rightfully responded that her father served in Korea.

She is standing up for her work, which I'm sure is duly influenced by her father's service. Artists are like bathroom rugs, soaking up EVERYTHING (and becoming more and more disgusting in the process).

There's honoring your relative's military service, and then there's using his/her service to get a leg up in a disagreement.

If her father weren't in the mural and if her work hadn't been compared to North Korean propaganda, I'd agree with you. But he is, and it was.


Did the artist make light of this during the process or when it was done? Did this just pop up after it was removed? The article doesn't make it clear.

I don't doubt that she meant to honor her father by painting him in his uniform and her mother as well. I respect that.

I do not agree with her wagging her father's service around to gain sympathy and support, which is what I feel that she is doing here.

Besides, this piece was to honor the workers. Not her father.

Call me an ass, but this is how I view this.
I'm on my phone, so I can't snip this smaller. My apologies.
 
2011-03-31 04:51:48 PM  

Hobodeluxe: special20: Yeah. One anonymous letter writer apparently has the power of one underwear bomber, or one shoe bomber. Nice.

anonymous my ass. I'm guessing it was the Governor's owner.


Quick, somebody get a Koch-impersonator on the phone to the governor!
 
2011-03-31 04:52:25 PM  
Perhaps their various city departments could hold a contest to se who could come up with the best replacement.
 
2011-03-31 04:54:46 PM  

Headso: The_Six_Fingered_Man: LePage wants to move it to a state museum. Probably a better place for it.

Why do you believe that is a better place for it, versus where it was intended to be?


Because it's likely to be seen by more people. How many people do you think visit Portland City Hall vs the Maine Dept of Labor?

Population of Augusta: ~18,444 people.
Population of Portland: ~66,194 people.

Now I realize that many out of towners might also go to the DoL, but by sheer numbers, the likelihood of it being seen by more people is greater in Portland. I would have preferred that, if not in the DoL, then in a museum, as the Gov. originally floated.
 
2011-03-31 04:55:39 PM  

apeiron242: turbidum: If her father weren't in the mural and if her work hadn't been compared to North Korean propaganda, I'd agree with you. But he is, and it was.

^

/Worth repeating


The objection to the mural (misguided as that thought is) was based on her depiction of Maine's labor history. Her father wasn't part of the complaint. She got paid for the mural, she doesn't get to have a say in either its display or storage.

After all, the customer is always right, even when he isn't.
 
2011-03-31 04:55:47 PM  

bad_ed: Perhaps their various city departments could hold a contest to se who could come up with the best replacement.


Yes, lets turn the entire damn world into some fu*king, Pollyanna-assed refrigerator art contest while we go bomb grown people and pretend we're "working to expand our freedoms".

Art doesn't work like that.

Not good art.

Sorry... twitchy about fascism and this sh*t is fascism.
 
2011-03-31 04:56:33 PM  
So if your Dad was a good person, that makes you a good person?

How interesting that we're all exactly like our parents to such a degree that we can whore them when they are dead to make a political point.
 
2011-03-31 04:57:29 PM  

grumpyguru: After all, the customer is always right, even when he isn't.


Don't you mean "the corporate douche clamp"?
 
2011-03-31 04:59:22 PM  
Five'll get you twenty that the mural's going to be accidentally destroyed before it can be returned or sent to a museum.

"Oh, sorry about that."
 
2011-03-31 04:59:38 PM  
ny-image1.etsy.com
 
2011-03-31 05:00:14 PM  

GORDON: So if your Dad was a good person, that makes you a good person?

How interesting that we're all exactly like our parents to such a degree that we can whore them when they are dead to make a political point.


4.bp.blogspot.com

[Your caption here]
 
2011-03-31 05:01:05 PM  

cretinbob: Look for the union label
when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse.

Remember somewhere our union's sewing,
our wages going to feed the kids, and run the house.

We work hard, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the I.L.G. we're paying our way!

So always look for the union label,
it says we're able to make it in the U.S.A.!


//Congratulations Maine, Your governor has just made you all members of the Douchebag club


wow - I didn't even make it past reading the first line before I hear the tune and then remembered the commercial...

/flashback
//slashback
 
2011-03-31 05:02:31 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria: Did the artist make light of this during the process or when it was done? Did this just pop up after it was removed? The article doesn't make it clear.

I don't doubt that she meant to honor her father by painting him in his uniform and her mother as well. I respect that.

I do not agree with her wagging her father's service around to gain sympathy and support, which is what I feel that she is doing here.

Besides, this piece was to honor the workers. Not her father.

Call me an ass, but this is how I view this.
I'm on my phone, so I can't snip this smaller. My apologies.


No worries, I'm fine with civilly disagreeing. :-)

My father and both my grandfathers served, and I take immense pride in that. So if anyone criticized my artistic work in a way that doubted my patriotism, I'd proudly bring up their service.

/my Japanese-American grandfather enlisted to prove that he was truly American.
//my Japanese-American grandmother was interned.
///my Japanese-American father gets angry when I question American exceptionalism.
 
2011-03-31 05:05:41 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: trotsky: See kids? THIS is Communism. Acutally, more like Stalinism, where history is re-written to exclude elements that the ruling elite deem inappropriate for their narration. And it is their narration as well, we don't matter.

This turd in Maine needs a history lesson.

History isn't being rewritten you overdramatic schmuck.


No, it is just being buried and forgotten.
 
2011-03-31 05:06:06 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Headso: The_Six_Fingered_Man: LePage wants to move it to a state museum. Probably a better place for it.

Why do you believe that is a better place for it, versus where it was intended to be?

Because it's likely to be seen by more people.


Do you think the reason it was removed so that it could be seen by more people? The person who created the piece wants it to be where it was intended to be. It seems convenient that you as a republican are interested in how many people view this piece of art all of a sudden.
 
2011-03-31 05:09:23 PM  
turbidum:

No worries, I'm fine with civilly disagreeing. :-)

My father and both my grandfathers served, and I take immense pride in that. So if anyone criticized my artistic work in a way that doubted my patriotism, I'd proudly bring up their service.

/my Japanese-American grandfather enlisted to prove that he was truly American.
//my Japanese-American grandmother was interned.
///my Japanese-American father gets angry when I question American exceptionalism.

Amazing grandparents, I must say.

I don't think this was a patriotic disagreement, either. She was the one who brought up the fact that her father was a Korean War veteran and was awarded the Bronze Star. She was commissioned to do a piece on labour, not the military. If it were that way, I would be upset, too.
 
2011-03-31 05:12:47 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria: turbidum:

No worries, I'm fine with civilly disagreeing. :-)

My father and both my grandfathers served, and I take immense pride in that. So if anyone criticized my artistic work in a way that doubted my patriotism, I'd proudly bring up their service.

/my Japanese-American grandfather enlisted to prove that he was truly American.
//my Japanese-American grandmother was interned.
///my Japanese-American father gets angry when I question American exceptionalism.

Amazing grandparents, I must say.

I don't think this was a patriotic disagreement, either. She was the one who brought up the fact that her father was a Korean War veteran and was awarded the Bronze Star. She was commissioned to do a piece on labour, not the military. If it were that way, I would be upset, too.


It was compared to North Korean propaganda, her father was in the service at that time earning a bronze star. I think she was perfectly correct in bringing that fact up.
 
2011-03-31 05:13:30 PM  
I understand her being upset about the removal of the piece, and I can also see why some punk politician (conservative or otherwise) would be threatened by a painting about the states workers history. All in all, it isn't censorship as much as it just shows how farking immature LePage is.
 
2011-03-31 05:13:58 PM  

badLogic: History isn't being rewritten you overdramatic schmuck.

No, it is just being buried and forgotten.


Which is pretty the same thing.
 
2011-03-31 05:15:17 PM  
LENIN....STAAAYS!

/obscure?
 
2011-03-31 05:16:12 PM  
Headline: Whiny ass artist biatching about art appreciation.
Article: Dipshiat governor stirring up trouble for himself.
 
2011-03-31 05:16:15 PM  
"... suggests hanging her late father's Bronze Star Medal in its place until then."

I respect her father's service, but what does it have to do with this issue?

It cheapens the honor of his service to use it as a straw man in this debate. If her father hated people of color, would mentioning his Bronze Star somehow make that an acceptable and valid point of view?

It's a cheap move on the daughter's part. It makes it appear as if her father's art has no merit on its own accord.

img1.fark.net tag for dad; img1.fark.net for daughter.
 
2011-03-31 05:18:06 PM  

EuphoniumEuphoria: Amazing grandparents, I must say.

I don't think this was a patriotic disagreement, either. She was the one who brought up the fact that her father was a Korean War veteran and was awarded the Bronze Star. She was commissioned to do a piece on labour, not the military. If it were that way, I would be upset, too.


I see what you're saying, but I still tend to think she's not doing it for strategic reasons. She seems to be shooting from the hip on this (unlike that douche LePage).

And, yeah, I regret not getting to know my grandfather better before he passed (he passed when I was in middle school). He was born on a sugarcane plantation in Maui, served as a translator for the Americans in the Pacific, went unarmed to save 200 hostages in a cave, started a Hawaiian grocery store with his brothers in California, and told my father (when he was deciding which branch of the service to enter and was stuck between the Navy and the Army), "Why would you want to walk into battle when you can ride?"

/my middle name is that of one the men my grandfather served with. same with my brother.
 
2011-03-31 05:18:35 PM  
i796.photobucket.com
 
2011-03-31 05:20:32 PM  

Headso: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Headso: The_Six_Fingered_Man: LePage wants to move it to a state museum. Probably a better place for it.

Why do you believe that is a better place for it, versus where it was intended to be?

Because it's likely to be seen by more people.

Do you think the reason it was removed so that it could be seen by more people? The person who created the piece wants it to be where it was intended to be. It seems convenient that you as a republican are interested in how many people view this piece of art all of a sudden.


I didn't speculate on the reason for removal. You asked me for my reason behind my opinion that it would be better hanging in the Portland City Hall. I gave it to you.

And the person who created it has almost no say in where it is stored. They can advise and consult, but at the end of the day, it's up to the State where the mural hangs or doesn't hang.

She was aware of the removal. If she has any case, it's on the advise and consult portion of the contract. But since we don't actually have a copy of the contract to peruse, all we have is the words of the Bangor State Journal.
 
2011-03-31 05:20:38 PM  

kimwim: EuphoniumEuphoria: turbidum:

No worries, I'm fine with civilly disagreeing. :-)

My father and both my grandfathers served, and I take immense pride in that. So if anyone criticized my artistic work in a way that doubted my patriotism, I'd proudly bring up their service.

/my Japanese-American grandfather enlisted to prove that he was truly American.
//my Japanese-American grandmother was interned.
///my Japanese-American father gets angry when I question American exceptionalism.

Amazing grandparents, I must say.

I don't think this was a patriotic disagreement, either. She was the one who brought up the fact that her father was a Korean War veteran and was awarded the Bronze Star. She was commissioned to do a piece on labour, not the military. If it were that way, I would be upset, too.

It was compared to North Korean propaganda, her father was in the service at that time earning a bronze star. I think she was perfectly correct in bringing that fact up.


I am not aware whether or not she addressed this letter. It just seems like she's using the whole thing as leverage. She's no better than the dependents who throw their military family member's service/rank around to try and get their way.
 
2011-03-31 05:24:33 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: You asked me for my reason behind my opinion


Because I wanted to see if you were going to be honest about your partisanship.
 
2011-03-31 05:26:52 PM  

Headso: The_Six_Fingered_Man: You asked me for my reason behind my opinion

Because I wanted to see if you were going to be honest about your partisanship.


Yes, because I think that, since the mural was taken down anyway, that it be moved to a place where a lot of people can see and appreciate it, I'm being partisan. That's obviously a core tenet of the Republican Party. The maximum amount of people seeing art.

If I was really partisan, I would have said "destroy the damn thing. It's socialist and doesn't belong anywhere near a government office."

Get off your high horse.
 
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