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2011-03-30 05:47:06 PM
Actually, considering Denver is playing some crazy-good ball as of late it's not that surprising.

/Watch out, OKC.
 
2011-03-30 06:14:15 PM
That's where NBA Champions are made; in math class.
 
2011-03-30 06:36:26 PM
Woo hoo!

Cleveland isn't last!
 
2011-03-30 06:40:04 PM

CtrlAltDelete: Woo hoo!

Cleveland isn't last!


Last night's result must have been sweet.
 
2011-03-30 06:54:37 PM
Yes, everyone is terrified of the Nuggets.
 
2011-03-30 07:05:37 PM
Over that time span:

1. Nuggets: 10-3, victories over 4 teams with winning records

2. Bulls: 13-3, victories over 6 teams with winning records

3. Lakers: 12-1, victories over 7 teams with winning records

4. Heat: 8-7, victories over 7 teams with winning records

5. OKC: 12-3, victories over 4 teams with winning records

I don't get it.
 
2011-03-30 07:29:30 PM
What's the best team the Heat have lost to this season? They've beaten the Lakers twice.
 
2011-03-30 08:56:28 PM

RobertBruce: What's the best team the Heat have lost to this season? They've beaten the Lakers twice.


Boston, San Antonio, Orlando...
 
2011-03-30 08:59:54 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: RobertBruce: What's the best team the Heat have lost to this season? They've beaten the Lakers twice.

Boston, San Antonio, Orlando...


chicago...all three times.
 
paj
2011-03-30 10:08:07 PM
Raptors aren't last! Whoooo!
 
2011-03-30 10:16:24 PM
Wolves are 24th? I think this ranking formula is off
 
2011-03-30 10:22:12 PM
This is an outrage!
img1.tvloop.com
 
2011-03-30 10:29:08 PM
Wichita State?
 
2011-03-30 10:33:11 PM
For some odd reason I read it as MLB, so I was quite shocked when I saw #1.
 
2011-03-30 10:36:13 PM
I have not been able to follow the league as close as I have in the past due to life . I have really enjoyed what I have seen. I am really pumped for the playoffs.

/Go Celts
 
2011-03-30 10:38:37 PM
Should be

1) Lakers
2) Bulls

You could flip them, but those 2 are the cream of the crop by far.
 
2011-03-30 10:40:22 PM

thomps: AdolfOliverPanties: RobertBruce: What's the best team the Heat have lost to this season? They've beaten the Lakers twice.

Boston, San Antonio, Orlando...

chicago...all three times.


The answer is most indeedily Chi-ca-go, yes.
 
2011-03-30 10:47:39 PM

SharkTrager: Should be

1) Lakers
2) Bulls

You could flip them, but those 2 are the cream of the crop by far.


Agreed. And even with their issues, I would rank the Miami Heat number 3, and the Spurs fourth. The Celtics are going to rue the Kendrick Perkins trade come playoff time.
 
2011-03-30 11:01:33 PM

asimplescribe: For some odd reason I read it as MLB, so I was quite shocked when I saw #1.


Not gonna lie, this got a laugh out of me.
 
2011-03-30 11:05:33 PM
Go Nuggets!
 
2011-03-30 11:06:13 PM

mikemoto: The Celtics are going to rue the Kendrick Perkins trade come playoff time.


Gah! There will be no rueing in Boston. NONE!

/Good luck Perk
 
2011-03-30 11:09:04 PM

Fark Crosby: Wolves are 24th? I think this ranking formula is off


I was thinking the same thing with the Bucks at 21.

Let's just make a 10-way tie for last and call it a day.
 
2011-03-30 11:12:24 PM
lh4.googleusercontent.com

Power rankings? Power rankings? We ain't talking about standings... we talking about power rankings?
 
2011-03-30 11:24:12 PM
no. 1 will shock you, but klf will rock you.
 
2011-03-30 11:49:47 PM
Woo hoo!

Washington is last!

/2 road victories, baby
//both in OT
///can we win the lottery again plox?
 
2011-03-30 11:50:19 PM

bighasbeen: Over that time span:

1. Nuggets: 10-3, victories over 4 teams with winning records

2. Bulls: 13-3, victories over 6 teams with winning records

3. Lakers: 12-1, victories over 7 teams with winning records

4. Heat: 8-7, victories over 7 teams with winning records

5. OKC: 12-3, victories over 4 teams with winning records

I don't get it.


Nothing to get. A blogger who got a job at ESPN, a company who employs such top talent as Dick "VCU shouldn't even be in the tourney" Vitale, Colin Cowherd, Michael Wilbon, etc.

/ESPN: good place to go for the scores/highlight reel
//other than that, worthless
 
2011-03-30 11:51:50 PM

gunsmack: Michael Wilbon


At least Wilbon is likable. And PTI is a good show.
 
2011-03-31 12:21:18 AM
It makes sense. Chandler and Gallo give you essentially what Melo gives, and they got younger at PG and C. They've become one of the best defensive teams in the league.

It should be interesting to see how they do in the playoffs, though, when rotations shorten up and "stars" usually win or lose series.
 
2011-03-31 12:33:38 AM

mikemoto: SharkTrager: Should be

1) Lakers

The Celtics are going to rue the Kendrick Perkins trade come playoff time.


/Thank you Celtics for trading away the player that, if healthy, could have helped beat the Lakers in the finals.
 
2011-03-31 12:58:11 AM

Gunny Highway: gunsmack: Michael Wilbon

At least Wilbon is likable. And PTI is a good show.


Agreed, don't be a hater :P Tho I am joining the Cowherd hate bandwagon. Every show I have seen with him in it is better without him.
 
2011-03-31 01:01:28 AM

sariq: Last night's result must have been sweet.


It was okay. Honestly, I don't have any bad feelings towards LeBron James as a Cavs fan. I kind of feel sorry for the poor bastard. He's sort of f*cked any way he goes.
 
2011-03-31 01:06:12 AM

Shuichi: Gunny Highway: gunsmack: Michael Wilbon

At least Wilbon is likable. And PTI is a good show.

Agreed, don't be a hater :P Tho I am joining the Cowherd hate bandwagon. Every show I have seen with him in it is better without him.


I dunno...Cowherd is a 90%er when it comes to factual accuracy but for what he doesn't screw up he makes decent arguments. I like commentary in my sportstalk radio (Cowherd does this in abundance) as opposed to knob-smoking player interviews.
 
2011-03-31 01:27:04 AM
#7 Portland Trail Blazers

Really?

Trail Blazers is two words?
 
2011-03-31 02:02:34 AM

Wadded Beef: Shuichi: Gunny Highway: gunsmack: Michael Wilbon

At least Wilbon is likable. And PTI is a good show.

Agreed, don't be a hater :P Tho I am joining the Cowherd hate bandwagon. Every show I have seen with him in it is better without him.

I dunno...Cowherd is a 90%er when it comes to factual accuracy but for what he doesn't screw up he makes decent arguments. I like commentary in my sportstalk radio (Cowherd does this in abundance) as opposed to knob-smoking player interviews.


I was thinking more of the Sportsnation tv show rather than the radio.
 
rka
2011-03-31 02:51:09 AM

bighasbeen: Over that time span:

1. Nuggets: 10-3, victories over 4 teams with winning records

2. Bulls: 13-3, victories over 6 teams with winning records

3. Lakers: 12-1, victories over 7 teams with winning records

4. Heat: 8-7, victories over 7 teams with winning records

5. OKC: 12-3, victories over 4 teams with winning records

I don't get it.


Nuggets are obviously getting extra points in this completely arbitrary and worthless poll for doing so well after losing a "franchise player" and still rolling strong.

Other than that...they're 5th place in the West. Pretty much where they should be.

Wouldn't chap my ass at all to see them fall to 6th and have to face Dallas in the playoffs. I'd take that action.
 
2011-03-31 03:46:05 AM

RobertBruce: What's the best team the Heat have lost to this season? They've beaten the Lakers twice.


I'm pretty sure every other good team in the league has.
 
2011-03-31 08:15:16 AM
Well it's a good thing they play games in the NBA. I guess the lakers and Denver can figure out who the better team is tonight. And then again in the playoffs if both teams keep winning.
 
2011-03-31 09:20:03 AM

bighasbeen: I don't get it.


It's adjusted plus-minus, so margin of victory matters. I'm way too lazy to look up those teams point differential, but a 90-88 win is going to count a lot less than a 112-88 blowout under any sort of plus-minus algorithm.
 
2011-03-31 09:51:20 AM

rka: Other than that...they're 5th place in the West. Pretty much where they should be.

Wouldn't chap my ass at all to see them fall to 6th and have to face Dallas in the playoffs. I'd take that action.


It will take a complete collapse over the last 10 games for that to happen - after last night's win over Sacramento, the Nuggets are 2 1/2 up on Portland for 5th, and I believe four back of OKC for 4th. It's looking like a DEN-OKC match in the first round is all but assured.

And I'm loving this trade now. I mentioned in a previous Nuggets thread that it took me a long time to accept losing the best player we've had since Alex English, but what we got in return was superb, and they're playing some fantastic ball right now. Getting to the second round of the playoffs would be a great accomplishment, though I can't see the Nuggets beating the Lakers or Spurs in a seven-game series.
 
2011-03-31 10:14:05 AM
+/- May be one of the worst stats for basketball.
 
2011-03-31 01:12:48 PM

MugzyBrown: +/- May be one of the worst stats for basketball.


Can someone educate a fair-weather Bulls fan who hasn't watched many games, and has paid even less attention to stats?

What is +/-?
 
2011-03-31 02:03:03 PM
HAHHA... before I clicked on TFA I was thinking it would be funny if it was Denver.
I clicked...I chuckled...

GO NUGGETS
 
2011-03-31 04:53:17 PM

skrame: MugzyBrown: +/- May be one of the worst stats for basketball.

Can someone educate a fair-weather Bulls fan who hasn't watched many games, and has paid even less attention to stats?

What is +/-?


for personal player +/- it is the points scored by the team when on the court so, say Kobe starts the game and the score is 24 to 16 when Kobe comes to the bench, he has a +8. if Brown checks in and when he sits the score is 24 to 24, he has a -8 because the team lost eight points with him on the floor.

for a team one would add up by how much they won versus lost points. which is why it's kind of lame. a team that keeps blowing out crappy teams should have a greater +/- than a team that just beat a bunch of playoff teams.

this article is further misleading because it just looks at a month, which could have all kind of different games. if it was a seasonal one, it might have better legs, but doesn't take into account a teams division (i love them, but the Lakers division is way easier than the Spurs)

hope that helped somewhat!
 
2011-03-31 05:40:53 PM

you have pee hands: bighasbeen: I don't get it.

It's adjusted plus-minus, so margin of victory matters. I'm way too lazy to look up those teams point differential, but a 90-88 win is going to count a lot less than a 112-88 blowout under any sort of plus-minus algorithm.


I knew +/- was an issue, but this algorithm must have put an inordinate amount of emphasis on margin of victory (which I think is a stupid metric anyway) if a team that is one game over .500 can come in at #4. The reason I think +/- is stupid when looking at the games is it ignores the reality or conditions of each game. Two examples:

Team A is up by 28 going into the 4th. Both Team A and Team B pull their starters with Team B conceding the loss. However, Team A's reserves play poorly, allowing Team B's reserves to knock off 18 points of that lead by the end of the game. Final Score: Team A +10.

Team A is up 6 with a minute to go in the 4th. Team B begins fouling to extend the game, hoping Team A misses their free throws. Team A goes 6/6 from the line over the last minute while Team B goes 0/4 from 3pt. Final Score: Team A +12.

A +/- metric would say that Team A was more dominant in the second game even though the outcome was decided by the end of the third quarter in the first game.
 
2011-03-31 07:52:02 PM

bighasbeen: I knew +/- was an issue, but this algorithm must have put an inordinate amount of emphasis on margin of victory (which I think is a stupid metric anyway) if a team that is one game over .500 can come in at #4. The reason I think +/- is stupid when looking at the games is it ignores the reality or conditions of each game. Two examples:


It probably also uses SOS pretty heavily. I know a bunch of the Heat's losses have come against other top teams (and the Cavs) (thanks Fark), if 7 of their 8 wins have come against teams over .500 too maybe their schedule over the last 15 games has been brutal.

I agree that +/- has its problems. I don't really know how this algorithm works. I would expect without looking at it that the Heat would be more likely to be Team A in your hypothetical, because their bench is awful, but I don't know for sure.
 
2011-04-01 12:13:44 AM

you have pee hands: I would expect without looking at it that the Heat would be more likely to be Team A in your hypothetical,


Heh, my hypothetical was mostly based around how many times I watch the Lakers' bench piss away leads in the 4th.
 
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