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2011-03-30 12:10:02 PM
An educated populace has positive externalities?

Who would have thunk it.

/other than those of us that understand basic economics, of course
 
2011-03-30 01:30:18 PM
FTFA: "I hate to say it, but I think Arizona would not be in the top 10 locales to make that investment," [former Intel Chief Executive and Board Chairman Craig Barrett] said.

He added that the company might not even select the U.S. because of non-competitive immigration and tax policies.


Do the math, genius: Throwing more money into a system does not necessarily guarantee improved results. If it did, then non-competitive immigration and tax policies -- both of which cost an employer more -- would not factor at all into where Intel would open fabricator plants. If anything, those policies would encourage companies to open instate which had them. Right?

Now, go apply that logic to the Arizona school system, and get back to me.
 
2011-03-30 01:45:49 PM
In other news business's don't like to hire uneducated idiots.
 
2011-03-30 01:48:29 PM

gerrymander: FTFA: "I hate to say it, but I think Arizona would not be in the top 10 locales to make that investment," [former Intel Chief Executive and Board Chairman Craig Barrett] said.

He added that the company might not even select the U.S. because of non-competitive immigration and tax policies.

Do the math, genius: Throwing more money into a system does not necessarily guarantee improved results. If it did, then non-competitive immigration and tax policies -- both of which cost an employer more -- would not factor at all into where Intel would open fabricator plants. If anything, those policies would encourage companies to open instate which had them. Right?

Now, go apply that logic to the Arizona school system, and get back to me.


Spending nothing does guarantee the results of failure though.

Tech companies want to be able to bring smart people from other countries in because there are often not enough people with that sort of training in the US. Not being able to bring in those types of immigrants is costing them money.
 
2011-03-30 02:13:54 PM
Maybe Arizona can employee all their people in their new freedom light-bulb factories and derp quarries.
 
2011-03-30 02:16:52 PM
Is Rick Scott listening?
 
2011-03-30 02:17:45 PM

gerrymander: FTFA: "I hate to say it, but I think Arizona would not be in the top 10 locales to make that investment," [former Intel Chief Executive and Board Chairman Craig Barrett] said.

He added that the company might not even select the U.S. because of non-competitive immigration and tax policies.

Do the math, genius: Throwing more money into a system does not necessarily guarantee improved results. If it did, then non-competitive immigration and tax policies -- both of which cost an employer more -- would not factor at all into where Intel would open fabricator plants. If anything, those policies would encourage companies to open instate which had them. Right?

Now, go apply that logic to the Arizona school system, and get back to me.


If I could figure out what that logic is, I would.
 
2011-03-30 02:17:55 PM
people don't care about quality of life libtard.
 
2011-03-30 02:18:03 PM
We've proven that more money doesn't help education. I guess the next test should be if less money does.

It's SCIENCE!!!
 
2011-03-30 02:19:44 PM

gerrymander: FTFA: "I hate to say it, but I think Arizona would not be in the top 10 locales to make that investment," [former Intel Chief Executive and Board Chairman Craig Barrett] said.

He added that the company might not even select the U.S. because of non-competitive immigration and tax policies.

Do the math, genius: Throwing more money into a system does not necessarily guarantee improved results. If it did, then non-competitive immigration and tax policies -- both of which cost an employer more -- would not factor at all into where Intel would open fabricator plants. If anything, those policies would encourage companies to open instate which had them. Right?

Now, go apply that logic to the Arizona school system, and get back to me.


You say that as though it's a fact, despite there being nothing to indicate this.

AZ is looking to cut education spending drastically (for those who actually RTFA this is clear) and already performs poorly on the national level.

Someone verified to be the former CEO of one of the largest tech companies in the world, among other CEOs, reiterated the importance of education to business.

Some random dittohead on Fark thinks they know better.

I admire the confidence dittoheads have but they don't actually know what's best because in large they don't know shiat.
 
2011-03-30 02:20:00 PM
sparkeyjames: In other news business's don't like to hire uneducated idiots.

You don't say.
 
2011-03-30 02:20:12 PM
Arizona is for old people. Everyone can get jobs wiping asses and restocking the salad bar for the Early Bird Special.
 
2011-03-30 02:21:00 PM

cabbyman: We've proven that more money doesn't help education. I guess the next test should be if less money does.

It's SCIENCE!!!


When was that 'proven'?
 
2011-03-30 02:21:00 PM
It's not like anyone educated in the United States acutally works at places like Intel.

Not to mention, if none of the students bother to study engineering, physics, or math, spending money on higher education won't help them.
 
2011-03-30 02:22:03 PM
For fun, read the comments section.


Yea, I live in AZ. I have a Grad degree and a professional certification (CFP®). I'm also not a native, so I have to agree with Barrett. Even if I work in an environment full of other professionals, I still have to deal with the people outside the office. That is pretty painful on a daily basis. Fact of the matter is, most of the people in my office are locals, and, even educated, they are some of the dumbest people I have ever met. The only ones worth talking to are from other states. Almost all of us plan on moving out of Arizona when we can. There's nothing you can do to explain to a local how poorly educated they come across. First off, telling an entire society that they're stupid is sort of frowned upon. More importantly, none of them can grasp what you're trying to explain. It's a sad and vicious cycle out here.
 
2011-03-30 02:24:39 PM

gerrymander: FTFA: "I hate to say it, but I think Arizona would not be in the top 10 locales to make that investment," [former Intel Chief Executive and Board Chairman Craig Barrett] said.

He added that the company might not even select the U.S. because of non-competitive immigration and tax policies.

Do the math, genius: Throwing more money into a system does not necessarily guarantee improved results. If it did, then non-competitive immigration and tax policies -- both of which cost an employer more -- would not factor at all into where Intel would open fabricator plants. If anything, those policies would encourage companies to open instate which had them. Right?

Now, go apply that logic to the Arizona school system, and get back to me.


That old line of "throwing money" at the problem is always trotted out by conservatives as the answer whenever school funding is discussed. We aren't talking about increasing funding to the schools, we're talking about decreasing their revenue while trying to cure what is wrong with the system. Let's work on reforming the system first and then see if there is more fat that can be cut instead of just cutting everything and then complaining while the schools fail even more.

Unless of course the entire goal is to bankrupt the American public school system to the point of breaking it so that only those who can afford to pay for private school will be able to get a decent education.
Sadly this is what suspect most patriotic American conservatives truly want.
 
2011-03-30 02:29:29 PM

darcsun: For fun, read the comments section.


Yea, I live in AZ. I have a Grad degree and a professional certification (CFP®). I'm also not a native, so I have to agree with Barrett. Even if I work in an environment full of other professionals, I still have to deal with the people outside the office. That is pretty painful on a daily basis. Fact of the matter is, most of the people in my office are locals, and, even educated, they are some of the dumbest people I have ever met. The only ones worth talking to are from other states. Almost all of us plan on moving out of Arizona when we can. There's nothing you can do to explain to a local how poorly educated they come across. First off, telling an entire society that they're stupid is sort of frowned upon. More importantly, none of them can grasp what you're trying to explain. It's a sad and vicious cycle out here.


I remember reading an article some time ago about long term exposure to temps above 100 degrees causing brain damage, if I am correct in my recollection this guy will soon become one of them.
 
2011-03-30 02:31:30 PM
But, but we had to make those education cuts to afford the corporate tax breaks we needed to give businesses to encourage them to come to our state!
 
2011-03-30 02:32:15 PM

Barricaded Gunman: sparkeyjames: In other news business's don't like to hire uneducated idiots.

You don't say.


GOP response something like "intellectualism is for elitists"
 
2011-03-30 02:33:12 PM
Brewer didn't answer directly whether budget cuts to education would hinder economic development, but she said she would "do everything in my power" to ensure the state has a good education system.

I somehow doubt this.
 
2011-03-30 02:34:42 PM

sparkeyjames: In other news business's don't like to hire uneducated idiots.


Walmart does; an uneducated populace is a cheap workforce.
 
2011-03-30 02:36:03 PM

DevideByZer0: cabbyman: We've proven that more money doesn't help education. I guess the next test should be if less money does.

It's SCIENCE!!!

When was that 'proven'?


I love how we can reduce the discussion to "Money no workie worky"

God forbid we open floodgates of discussion into HOW that money is being spent.

example:
-almost every school district has at least one executive administrator making a modest 6 figures
-almost every school district could lose their executive administrator with no loss to the students' education
 
2011-03-30 02:36:12 PM
I wonder who would win in a stupid-off, Indiana or Arizona.
 
2011-03-30 02:36:40 PM

cfffffgagffacfacfacfacfacccccfcaaffff: Brewer didn't answer directly whether budget cuts to education would hinder economic development, but she said she would "do everything in my power" to ensure the state has a good education system.

I somehow doubt this.


I don't. They're perfect weasel words. She ultimately doesn't have direct control over the budget. She can only administer what the legislature gives her. She will do everything in her power to ensure that the state has a good educational system. She doesn't state that she has little power to do anything about it.
 
2011-03-30 02:38:44 PM

Headso: I remember reading an article some time ago about long term exposure to temps above 100 degrees causing brain damage, if I am correct in my recollection this guy will soon become one of them.


So you believe that the heat affects the people who have been here long term, yet you somehow think they guy who hasn't been there that long will have the brain damage. Way to contradict yourself.
 
2011-03-30 02:39:00 PM
This is what happens when morons elect idiots. They get what they deserve.
 
2011-03-30 02:40:43 PM

Janusdog: I wonder who would win in a stupid-off, Indiana or Arizona.


Hmm, well when I lived in Indiana I knew a guy from Arizona and he was no more stupid than anyone else.

Tough question.

Now Indiana probably has more intelligent people in it by virtue of having Purdue and Notre Dame vs. Arizona State, but then again, many of those students aren't actually Hoosiers, and most of the ASU kids are idiots from LA.
 
2011-03-30 02:41:42 PM
Is Intel paying full freight property taxes? Or did they get property tax breaks to build their plants there?
 
2011-03-30 02:42:58 PM

Rapmaster2000: Janusdog: I wonder who would win in a stupid-off, Indiana or Arizona.

Hmm, well when I lived in Indiana I knew a guy from Arizona and he was no more stupid than anyone else.

Tough question.

Now Indiana probably has more intelligent people in it by virtue of having Purdue and Notre Dame vs. Arizona State, but then again, many of those students aren't actually Hoosiers, and most of the ASU kids are idiots from LA.


And to be fair, Indianapolis is just like any other decent Midwestern city.

Outside of Indy though, it's a wasteland.
 
2011-03-30 02:43:28 PM

MurphyMurphy: DevideByZer0: cabbyman: We've proven that more money doesn't help education. I guess the next test should be if less money does.

It's SCIENCE!!!

When was that 'proven'?

I love how we can reduce the discussion to "Money no workie worky"

God forbid we open floodgates of discussion into HOW that money is being spent.

example:
-almost every school district has at least one executive administrator making a modest 6 figures
-almost every school district could lose their executive administrator with no loss to the students' education


That's far beyond the critical thinking skills of your average dittohead. They like everything to be easy and simplified, thinking about shiat is hard.

What else can be said about people who outsource their own thought and positions to talking heads to constantly lie to them.

California will continue to take the best of what Arizona produces and Arizona will continue to be insignificant as the talent that could make Arizona anything other than a retirement state leave as soon as they can.

Arizona has been very quiet about the economic disaster that SB1070 has been while the politicians here continue to govern via an ideology that just keeps failing.
 
2011-03-30 02:45:34 PM

cfffffgagffacfacfacfacfacccccfcaaffff: Brewer didn't answer directly whether budget cuts to education would hinder economic development, but she said she would "do everything in my power" to ensure the state has a good education system.

I somehow doubt this.


The governor added, "...just as soon as I figure out how many Mexican-Looking people I need to throw in jail to make it happen."
 
2011-03-30 02:46:40 PM

Dwight_Yeast: sparkeyjames: In other news business's don't like to hire uneducated idiots.

Walmart does; an uneducated populace is a cheap workforce.


Plus they can't figure out how to sneak stolen merchandise out of the store without setting off the alarm systems.
 
2011-03-30 02:48:14 PM
...and the race to the bottom continues....

/nothing to see here, citizen
 
2011-03-30 02:48:22 PM

Rapmaster2000: Now Indiana probably has more intelligent people in it by virtue of having Purdue and Notre Dame vs. Arizona State, but then again, many of those students aren't actually Hoosiers, and most of the ASU kids are idiots from LA.


There's something about ASU, though. The smartest person in my class at high school went to ASU and ended up nearly flunking because she got caught up in the party culture. So, you may start smart, but ASU seems to make you end stupid.
 
2011-03-30 02:48:35 PM

Rapmaster2000: Janusdog: I wonder who would win in a stupid-off, Indiana or Arizona.

Hmm, well when I lived in Indiana I knew a guy from Arizona and he was no more stupid than anyone else.

Tough question.

Now Indiana probably has more intelligent people in it by virtue of having Purdue and Notre Dame vs. Arizona State, but then again, many of those students aren't actually Hoosiers, and most of the ASU kids are idiots from LA.


Except when I lived there, one day I went to Notre Dame because I used to enjoy hanging around in university bookstores. (Note: this was prior to everyone getting their textbooks online)

I literally couldn't find the books. That "bookstore" is three floors of Fighting Leprechaun crap. I finally found books, in the basement, in a corner. I had to weave my way around fake crystal jugs, clothing, mugs, buttwarmers, you name it. Books? Forget about it, who needs those dem dere things?
 
2011-03-30 02:51:24 PM

Janusdog: Rapmaster2000: Janusdog: I wonder who would win in a stupid-off, Indiana or Arizona.

Hmm, well when I lived in Indiana I knew a guy from Arizona and he was no more stupid than anyone else.

Tough question.

Now Indiana probably has more intelligent people in it by virtue of having Purdue and Notre Dame vs. Arizona State, but then again, many of those students aren't actually Hoosiers, and most of the ASU kids are idiots from LA.

Except when I lived there, one day I went to Notre Dame because I used to enjoy hanging around in university bookstores. (Note: this was prior to everyone getting their textbooks online)

I literally couldn't find the books. That "bookstore" is three floors of Fighting Leprechaun crap. I finally found books, in the basement, in a corner. I had to weave my way around fake crystal jugs, clothing, mugs, buttwarmers, you name it. Books? Forget about it, who needs those dem dere things?



I would think it is the same as with most university book stores, the first two weeks of the semester are about books. After that it is a tourist shop for parents and relatives.
 
2011-03-30 02:51:48 PM
Brewer didn't answer directly whether budget cuts to education would hinder economic development, but she said she would "do everything in my power" to ensure the state has a good education system.

"I think I have staked my career . . . my governorship on education," she said.

No, Governor Brewer, you staked your career on immigration policy. You haven't done a thing worth more than a bucket of warm spit for education.
 
2011-03-30 02:52:22 PM

cabbyman: We've proven that more money doesn't help education.


Actually we've proven the exact opposite. Go ahead ... compare the list of states with the best educations against how much they spend on education.
 
2011-03-30 02:55:51 PM

fracto73: Janusdog: Rapmaster2000: Janusdog: I wonder who would win in a stupid-off, Indiana or Arizona.

Hmm, well when I lived in Indiana I knew a guy from Arizona and he was no more stupid than anyone else.

Tough question.

Now Indiana probably has more intelligent people in it by virtue of having Purdue and Notre Dame vs. Arizona State, but then again, many of those students aren't actually Hoosiers, and most of the ASU kids are idiots from LA.

Except when I lived there, one day I went to Notre Dame because I used to enjoy hanging around in university bookstores. (Note: this was prior to everyone getting their textbooks online)

I literally couldn't find the books. That "bookstore" is three floors of Fighting Leprechaun crap. I finally found books, in the basement, in a corner. I had to weave my way around fake crystal jugs, clothing, mugs, buttwarmers, you name it. Books? Forget about it, who needs those dem dere things?


I would think it is the same as with most university book stores, the first two weeks of the semester are about books. After that it is a tourist shop for parents and relatives.


I can attest this is not the case at my Big 10 alma mater. Books outnumber the stupid fleeces and Angry Rodent sippy cups.
 
2011-03-30 02:57:16 PM
"I think I have staked my career . . . my governorship on education" - Jan Brewer

Ok, then you should step down because AZ's education is just demonstrably terrible and not improving. But you won't, because really you staked your career...your governership on a racist, anti-immigrant policy and the hope that Arizona has enough xenophobes and people too frightened about their jerbs to see it for the base pandering it is.
 
2011-03-30 03:00:39 PM
I just got back from Arizona. My mother in law wanted to celebrate her birthday there. I swear every dollar that left my hand pissed me off. I REALLY didn't want to go there. Between this stupidity, their immigration policy, and their woman-killing through abortion policy, they can farking fall into the Grand Canyon for all I care.
 
2011-03-30 03:03:41 PM

Janusdog: I just got back from Arizona. My mother in law wanted to celebrate her birthday there. I swear every dollar that left my hand pissed me off. I REALLY didn't want to go there. Between this stupidity, their immigration policy, and their woman-killing through abortion policy, they can farking fall into the Grand Canyon for all I care.


I was talking to a coworker and she and her friends were discussing where to go for some girls weekend thing. They chose Scottsdale. Apparently, the other options were Austin, San Francisco, and Vegas, but the ultimate decision was Scottsdale. I don't get it.

/still would like to go to the Grand Canyon.
 
2011-03-30 03:04:56 PM
The republicans HAVE to cut education, it's the only way that they can produce another generation of people ignorant enough to vote for them.

Why is anyone surprised by this, it's what they DO.
 
2011-03-30 03:05:11 PM

DevideByZer0: cabbyman: We've proven that more money doesn't help education. I guess the next test should be if less money does.

It's SCIENCE!!!

When was that 'proven'?


Well, NYZooman told Grotto_Man, who told Bookman, who then told Cabbyman. So, yknow, there's your proof.
 
2011-03-30 03:05:55 PM

Rapmaster2000: Janusdog: I just got back from Arizona. My mother in law wanted to celebrate her birthday there. I swear every dollar that left my hand pissed me off. I REALLY didn't want to go there. Between this stupidity, their immigration policy, and their woman-killing through abortion policy, they can farking fall into the Grand Canyon for all I care.

I was talking to a coworker and she and her friends were discussing where to go for some girls weekend thing. They chose Scottsdale. Apparently, the other options were Austin, San Francisco, and Vegas, but the ultimate decision was Scottsdale. I don't get it.

/still would like to go to the Grand Canyon.


Listen, the resort was gorgeous. Spa was great. Pools were awesome, weather was spectacular. So I get it making the list.

But ultimately it comes down to if you care who you're enriching.
 
2011-03-30 03:06:43 PM

Janusdog: Rapmaster2000: Janusdog: I just got back from Arizona. My mother in law wanted to celebrate her birthday there. I swear every dollar that left my hand pissed me off. I REALLY didn't want to go there. Between this stupidity, their immigration policy, and their woman-killing through abortion policy, they can farking fall into the Grand Canyon for all I care.

I was talking to a coworker and she and her friends were discussing where to go for some girls weekend thing. They chose Scottsdale. Apparently, the other options were Austin, San Francisco, and Vegas, but the ultimate decision was Scottsdale. I don't get it.

/still would like to go to the Grand Canyon.

Listen, the resort was gorgeous. Spa was great. Pools were awesome, weather was spectacular. So I get it making the list.

But ultimately it comes down to if you care who you're enriching.


I see. I just thought it was like vacationing in a suburb.
 
2011-03-30 03:09:22 PM

cabbyman: We've proven that more money doesn't help education.


Actually, studies have repeatedly showed us just the opposite, to the point that the a district's median income is the best single predictor of a given school's testing performance.

But okay.
 
2011-03-30 03:10:47 PM

cabbyman: We've proven that more money doesn't help education. I guess the next test should be if less money does.

It's SCIENCE!!!


I'll bite.

More money helps education if the educators are using that money to improve the quality of the education. Cutting money can do nothing but harm educators by discouraging college educated teachers from the career field because of extremely low pay and by forcing schools to cut extracurricular programs and use substandard technology because of lack of funding.

If I give a school money and they fail to improve, its because they didn't use their money wisely.
 
2011-03-30 03:11:30 PM

Tad_Waxpole: Is Rick Scott Walker listening?


/partial hijack
 
2011-03-30 03:13:32 PM

TheBlackrose: Tad_Waxpole: Is Rick ScottLuke Skywalker listening?

/partial hijack


/fixed.
 
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