And Mormons wonder why no one likes them.

be careful Utah GOP. We may come for you next.

Prop 8, Part II

GAT_00: Prop 8, Part II

If only there was some dance we could do in celebration, like a boogaloo or something.

Yes, this is totally, completely different from the Republican Wisconsin state senators recall campaigns funded by the SEIU in Washington, D.C. Totally.

King Something: GAT_00: Prop 8, Part II

If only there was some dance we could do in celebration, like a boogaloo or something.

Yeah, because that's not a totally tired, overused and incredibly lame meme at this point.

gerrymander: Yes, this is totally, completely different from the Republican Wisconsin state senators recall campaigns funded by the SEIU in Washington, D.C. Totally.

It is, but don't worry. Come 2012 the SEIU won't even have to spend a dime to get people to vote Democrat since the GOP joined Team Fu*k it up

If one more recall a-hole rings my doorbell I am going to go postal.
Five of the jerks woke me up last weekend pounding on the door and leaning on the doorbell. Don't these stupids get the point that if nobody shows up in 5 minutes they are being ignored? Of course, one of 'em admitted to being paid by signature.....

Submitted by Lynn Welch on February 28, 2011

Old news is old.

exvaxman: If one more recall a-hole rings my doorbell I am going to go postal.
Five of the jerks woke me up last weekend pounding on the door and leaning on the doorbell. Don't these stupids get the point that if nobody shows up in 5 minutes they are being ignored? Of course, one of 'em admitted to being paid by signature.....

Which ones are ringing your doorbell? The groups trying to boot the republicans or the democrats? Just curious.

Isn't there some Democrat-leaning organization that can FOI everyone in every organization that gets public funds in Utah? And, since we still have that Faith-based Iniative in place, I think we can legally FOI anyone who works for a church in Utah.

Hobodeluxe: be careful Utah GOP. We may come for you next.

Yeah...you should establish residency in Utah and show them!

DeaH: Isn't there some Democrat-leaning organization that can FOI everyone in every organization that gets public funds in Utah? And, since we still have that Faith-based Iniative in place, I think we can legally FOI anyone who works for a church in Utah.

No. It's generally public agencies only.

antidisestablishmentarianism: kbronsito: I say we start by forcing them to change their stupid drinking laws.

I can get behind this as a Wisconsinite.

Seconded.

timujin: "Yeah, you are, you're selling your zombie deity, now get the fark off of my porch."

I'm going to borrow this.

So about all those jobs...

From Utah? Probably polygamists. I want to see all their emails for the past five years on the off chance one of them may have raped a child. I'm just asking questions, that's all.

Scerpes: DeaH: Isn't there some Democrat-leaning organization that can FOI everyone in every organization that gets public funds in Utah? And, since we still have that Faith-based Iniative in place, I think we can legally FOI anyone who works for a church in Utah.

No. It's generally public agencies only.

That has yet to be tested in court. The only thing that has been decided for certain is that churches receiving faith-based funds are allowed to discriminate in hiring based on religion. I say, put it to the test - all the way to SCOTUS.

Scerpes: Hobodeluxe: be careful Utah GOP. We may come for you next.

Yeah...you should establish residency in Utah and show them!

you don't have to. you can just contribute to their recall. use their own poison against them.

SnakeLee: Scerpes: No. It's generally public agencies only.

Republicans just broke that by going after people in public universities. So now it opens the door. What if you are taking public funds? I want to see how my tax dollars are being spent, etc.

Public University = Public Agency.

See that word Public?

timujin: CSB Time: A few months ago, I started getting those every couple of days. Ten or twelve different people in that space of time.

Then, one day when I was already in a particularly bad mood, someone rang the doorbell. I answered and saw that it was a dude in a polo carrying a clipboard. His polo had a LDS logo stitched on it.

That's weird - all the LDS missionaries visiting my neighborhood still wear the old-fashioned white shirt and black tie. We get them a couple of times a month. We're in a very liberal neighborhood in Seattle; I think they consider this fertile ground because they know they won't encounter another Mormon anywhere.

Here's my CSB - several years ago we went to visit my dad in Salt Lake City. We did the tour of the Temple grounds (cool architecture), and at the end of the tour we were invited to fill out post cards requesting a visit from a missionary. My wife had recently been laid off from her job with a well-known Seattle record label (rhymes with Hub Mop), and she was feeling a little bitter - so we filled out a card with the name of the president of the company and the office address. We heard from friends of hers still working there that they got several visits in the next few weeks.

The fleabaggers ran all the way to Utah?

timujin:
Haven't seen any since.

Well, way to make them think everyone that doesn't believe in their way is an asshole making them want to work harder converting people.

I just talk to them for a minute or two and tell them I think organized religion is an oxymoran and that I am not interested in being peddled religion, have a nice day.

I can't recall them either.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: SnakeLee: Scerpes: No. It's generally public agencies only.

Republicans just broke that by going after people in public universities. So now it opens the door. What if you are taking public funds? I want to see how my tax dollars are being spent, etc.

Public University = Public Agency.

See that word Public?

Churches acting to distribute public funds. I'd say that makes them a public agency by proxy. Let's test it. All the way to the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

Pro Zack: The fleabaggers ran all the way to Utah?

Still trying to make that word stick eh?

DeaH: The_Six_Fingered_Man: SnakeLee: Scerpes: No. It's generally public agencies only.

Republicans just broke that by going after people in public universities. So now it opens the door. What if you are taking public funds? I want to see how my tax dollars are being spent, etc.

Public University = Public Agency.

See that word Public?

Churches acting to distribute public funds. I'd say that makes them a public agency by proxy. Let's test it. All the way to the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

By proxy? Can you show me where in the FOIA it has a box that says that the organization is public by proxy?

And go ahead and test it. I'm pretty sure that SCOTUS will follow the requirements for disclosure as they are laid out in the Internal Revenue Code.

So republicans, whenever they want to ban abortions, gays, support the south in discussions about the civil war, reinstate slavery, what-have-you, always seem to fall back on small federal government and states rights correct?

So why would these same folks be this concerned about who is elected as a representative in another state?

Oh right, they are a bunch of lying hypocrites who will say or do anything to get their way on a small handful of issues and have few, if any, consistent viewpoints.

Nm, carry on.

people that want to get in other peoples business are the ones that are telling government to stay out of people business while telling government to get in peoples bedrooms?

When they ring my bell, I just tell them that I am on they way to the can to hatch a grogan and I would love to talk to them if they would just hold on a minute or two.
Then I just ignore them. Once I had a pair on my porch for over two hours before they gave up. I felt as if I was doing a public service to my neighbors by keeping them occupied.

Mrtraveler01: Pro Zack: The fleabaggers ran all the way to Utah?

Still trying to make that word stick eh?

under many accounts too!

CSB: The cracker-ass southern baptist churches around here have started sending out gigantic hordes of middle- and high-school aged kids to do their prosthelityzing, presumably on the assumption that I won't swear at kids. They were incorrect.

/I cannot spell prosthelytize correctly to save my life

The_Six_Fingered_Man: SnakeLee: Scerpes: No. It's generally public agencies only.

Republicans just broke that by going after people in public universities. So now it opens the door. What if you are taking public funds? I want to see how my tax dollars are being spent, etc.

Public University = Public Agency.

See that word Public?

So public universities that get Federal money should be subject to it, but not private schools like Liberty that receive Federal money? Or should any organization that receives tax dollars be subject?

Space_: I just talk to them for a minute or two and tell them I think organized religion is an oxymoran and that I am not interested in being peddled religion, have a nice day.

That sounds much more adult and professional than the 2 or 3 times I've said in an excited voice "Hey, come on in! You guys wanna see my cock?"

Virulency: people that want to get in other peoples business are the ones that are telling government to stay out of people business while telling government to get in peoples bedrooms?

yes

adamgreeney: The_Six_Fingered_Man: SnakeLee: Scerpes: No. It's generally public agencies only.

Republicans just broke that by going after people in public universities. So now it opens the door. What if you are taking public funds? I want to see how my tax dollars are being spent, etc.

Public University = Public Agency.

See that word Public?

So public universities that get Federal money should be subject to it, but not private schools like Liberty that receive Federal money? Or should any organization that receives tax dollars be subject?

Let's examine for a second, and let's forget about where any source of money comes from, since the mere receiving of Federal money does not make an agency or individual public.

University of Wisconsin = Public University.
Liberty University = Private University

Can you tell me what the difference might be and how that might affect an FOIA request?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: adamgreeney: The_Six_Fingered_Man: SnakeLee: Scerpes: No. It's generally public agencies only.

Republicans just broke that by going after people in public universities. So now it opens the door. What if you are taking public funds? I want to see how my tax dollars are being spent, etc.

Public University = Public Agency.

See that word Public?

So public universities that get Federal money should be subject to it, but not private schools like Liberty that receive Federal money? Or should any organization that receives tax dollars be subject?

Let's examine for a second, and let's forget about where any source of money comes from, since the mere receiving of Federal money does not make an agency or individual public.

University of Wisconsin = Public University.
Liberty University = Private University

Can you tell me what the difference might be and how that might affect an FOIA request?

Actually, I can't find how a public university can fall under the category of government agency. I don't think universities should count at all, and the only argument for them to is based of receiving federal money.

SnakeLee: The_Six_Fingered_Man: By proxy? Can you show me where in the FOIA it has a box that says that the organization is public by proxy?

And go ahead and test it. I'm pretty sure that SCOTUS will follow the requirements for disclosure as they are laid out in the Internal Revenue Code.

Republicans haven't even fully tested the University FOIs yet, but they clearly weren't intended by the original rules. So why can't I just FOI everything in that tier of things? Why not just FOI every single Republican in any office you can think of?

Go for it. Doesn't mean that an FOIA for a church will get granted.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: DeaH: The_Six_Fingered_Man: SnakeLee: Scerpes: No. It's generally public agencies only.

Republicans just broke that by going after people in public universities. So now it opens the door. What if you are taking public funds? I want to see how my tax dollars are being spent, etc.

Public University = Public Agency.

See that word Public?

Churches acting to distribute public funds. I'd say that makes them a public agency by proxy. Let's test it. All the way to the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

By proxy? Can you show me where in the FOIA it has a box that says that the organization is public by proxy?

And go ahead and test it. I'm pretty sure that SCOTUS will follow the requirements for disclosure as they are laid out in the Internal Revenue Code.

Since this issue was not hammered out through legislation - it was an Executive Order under the presidency of George W. Bush and not rescinded under the current president - they could very well be considered public agencies. That leaves lots of grey areas. I, for one, would not have believed that corporations are persons under the law, but the current Supreme Court has ruled that they are. There is nothing in the IRS code that deals specifically with this issue.