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2011-03-27 01:44:37 PM

sift: i agree, your private life shouldn't be the buisness of your employer. but there is a big difference between "i like kinky threesomes at home after work" and getting paid to have sex on camera and publishing it. its no longer private once you put it out there for the world to see.

i just dont understand how everyone on here says doing porn is her 'private' buisnes. the kid didnt peep in through her bedroom windows or follow her around. he saw her randomly on the internet in a porno.


You have a good point... and one I can't really argue against. Saying 'the kid shouldn't be looking at pr0n because he's underage' is a very weak argument. I have to concede that point to you sir.
 
2011-03-27 01:46:38 PM

N7: Espertron: If she's a shiatty secretary... then she can be punished, reassigned, whatever. I'm just, personally, sick of people's private lives being an accountable work entity. It's crap.

The only arsehole in this entire scenario is the kid.

I agree, I just think there are limited options, here. I'm just glad that she didn't get fired, and I don't think the reassignment necessarily implies blame. They also have to think about how much it's likely to disrupt the school overall to have her still working there (if she can't walk down the hall without a bunch of catcalls, for example, that could get ugly fast--I imagine there are more assholes attending class there than just that one kid).


i dont see why the kid was an asshole. the facebook thing, okay sure. but how much damage did that really do. it was a lil profile with a pic of her in underwear. he didnt super impose it, he didnt steal it. he screen caped a porno that was for sale on the internet with her in it.

calling someone out on there shiat is not being an asshole. all he effectvily did was to inform the public (his school) of a product on sale (her porn).
 
2011-03-27 01:48:00 PM

Espertron: sift: i agree, your private life shouldn't be the buisness of your employer. but there is a big difference between "i like kinky threesomes at home after work" and getting paid to have sex on camera and publishing it. its no longer private once you put it out there for the world to see.

i just dont understand how everyone on here says doing porn is her 'private' buisnes. the kid didnt peep in through her bedroom windows or follow her around. he saw her randomly on the internet in a porno.

You have a good point... and one I can't really argue against. Saying 'the kid shouldn't be looking at pr0n because he's underage' is a very weak argument. I have to concede that point to you sir.


thanks, can i have +1 internets now? lol
 
2011-03-27 01:53:26 PM
Can someone please tell me what the kid did that was wrong? Everyone here seems to think the kid is acting like the spawn of Satan, but I seriously don't see any issue. More to the point, I don't see what the kid did that was illegal. The woman was in published porn movies, which means the fact that she was a porn actress was (1) public information and (2) true, which makes it pretty damn hard to make any kind of defamation or invasion of privacy action, at least in the US state where I live. (I doubt Canadian law is all that different.) Are schools in Canada allowed to punish kids just because the principal is annoyed?
 
2011-03-27 01:58:44 PM

stevesporn2000: Can someone please tell me what the kid did that was wrong? Everyone here seems to think the kid is acting like the spawn of Satan, but I seriously don't see any issue. More to the point, I don't see what the kid did that was illegal. The woman was in published porn movies, which means the fact that she was a porn actress was (1) public information and (2) true, which makes it pretty damn hard to make any kind of defamation or invasion of privacy action, at least in the US state where I live. (I doubt Canadian law is all that different.) Are schools in Canada allowed to punish kids just because the principal is annoyed?


THIS.
 
2011-03-27 01:58:58 PM

stevesporn2000: More to the point, I don't see what the kid did that was illegal.


Same here.
 
2011-03-27 01:59:13 PM

stevesporn2000: Can someone please tell me what the kid did that was wrong? Everyone here seems to think the kid is acting like the spawn of Satan, but I seriously don't see any issue. More to the point, I don't see what the kid did that was illegal. The woman was in published porn movies, which means the fact that she was a porn actress was (1) public information and (2) true, which makes it pretty damn hard to make any kind of defamation or invasion of privacy action, at least in the US state where I live. (I doubt Canadian law is all that different.) Are schools in Canada allowed to punish kids just because the principal is annoyed?


Malicious harassment, even if the person actually did whatever you're harassing them about, is typically considered wrong. The video would probably have gone largely unnoticed otherwise. He didn't make a facebook page to out her as a funny prank but to punish her. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
 
2011-03-27 02:06:37 PM
...and she'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that meddling kid.
 
2011-03-27 02:14:35 PM

bmihura: stevesporn2000: More to the point, I don't see what the kid did that was illegal.

Same here.


I said the kid was an arsehole... not a criminal. His intent is fairly obvious and blatant.
 
2011-03-27 02:15:30 PM

stevesporn2000: Can someone please tell me what the kid did that was wrong?


Creating a Facebook page in someone else's name, using her photo without permission. IIR, the term is "Right of Publicity", and possibly some manner of charges involving impersonation. Those might just be civil offenses, however; and I am not a lawyer.

stevesporn2000: The woman was in published porn movies, which means the fact that she was a porn actress was (1) public information


However, under a stage name; her real name in association with the movie might not qualify as such.
 
2011-03-27 02:20:34 PM
Let me see if I understand this:

In Canada, it is legal to be a porn star, but it is illegal for me to tell anyone that you are a porn star....even if you really are a porn star? Is that correct? By telling someone that I saw a sex video that was produced for public display, I've committed a crime? So in Canada, only porn stars are entitled to free speech?
 
2011-03-27 02:33:14 PM

Nabb1: Deported to Sweden? He claims he's not from there.


Send him to someplace more appropriate like Iran.
 
2011-03-27 02:36:22 PM

Skail: He asked her for an autograph and she refused. The boy then created a Facebook page under her name and uploaded a racy profile picture of the woman in her underwear.

What a little shiat. That's just malicious. The kid should have charges filed against him.


Why? She's a porn star (not "was"--still is, as in currently employed to star in porn movies) and NOW she's worried about her reputation? And besides, you can make a "fan" page about anyone or anything. If the kid did it on his own time using his own computer, then what authority does the school have to discipline him?

I also like this bit FTFA: "This is an attack on my reputation; it's downright identity theft and I never gave my consent to have this Facebook page created on my behalf,

No, it's not an attack on your reputation, it's a farking Facebook page. And no, it's not identity theft, it's just a Facebook page. And you don't NEED consent to do a Facebook page for a public figure which, as a woman who stars in porn movies, is what you are.

Maybe you should have thought about all that before you decided to moonlight in porn.
 
2011-03-27 02:37:19 PM
Welcome to the Internet.

There is no redemption without forgetting.

And the Internet never forgets.
 
2011-03-27 02:38:07 PM

stevesporn2000: Can someone please tell me what the kid did that was wrong?


Identity theft, harassment, intentional infliction of emotional distress and invasion of privacy. The first two are criminal, and the second two are torts.

stevesporn2000: which makes it pretty damn hard to make any kind of defamation or invasion of privacy action, at least in the US state where I live.


Not defamation, sure, but certainly invasion of privacy. She makes her money through her identity, so by stealing her information and posting it, he has damaged her ability to exploit her celebrity nature. This is also actionable under section 43 of the Lanham Act, in any US state.

('course, she's not in the US)
 
2011-03-27 02:40:24 PM
I wish more of the teachers / secretaries in my school had been into porn.
I can't really condone the kid for making a Facebook page, but on the other hand - she probably shouldn't expect total anonymity at her moonlighting gig if she's, yanno - filming porn.
I don't see much of a problem either, if she was professional at her school job and was good at it.

Kid was Douchey. Secretary shouldn't act surprised her "secret" finally got let out of the bag. Mountains, Molehills, etc.
 
2011-03-27 02:43:55 PM

brigid_fitch: Skail: He asked her for an autograph and she refused. The boy then created a Facebook page under her name and uploaded a racy profile picture of the woman in her underwear.

What a little shiat. That's just malicious. The kid should have charges filed against him.

Why? She's a porn star (not "was"--still is, as in currently employed to star in porn movies) and NOW she's worried about her reputation? And besides, you can make a "fan" page about anyone or anything. If the kid did it on his own time using his own computer, then what authority does the school have to discipline him?

I also like this bit FTFA: "This is an attack on my reputation; it's downright identity theft and I never gave my consent to have this Facebook page created on my behalf,

No, it's not an attack on your reputation, it's a farking Facebook page. And no, it's not identity theft, it's just a Facebook page. And you don't NEED consent to do a Facebook page for a public figure which, as a woman who stars in porn movies, is what you are.

Maybe you should have thought about all that before you decided to moonlight in porn.


Well then she could sue for copyright infringement. He posted something purporting to be her. This was done without her consent or knowledge. The fact he saw her in a porn film or not is irrelevant. The point being he did something he was not legally or morally allowed to do. Before you object, you won't mind me then digging up your personal info, slapping together a FB page saying you whole heatedly endorse and approve of Industrial Anal lube as the lube you use when having the 5th grade kids over for X-mas dinner? Nothing wrong wit that is there? It's just a FB page.
 
2011-03-27 02:45:20 PM
stevesporn2000: Can someone please tell me what the kid did that was wrong?

Identity theft, harassment, intentional infliction of emotional distress and invasion of privacy. The first two are criminal, and the second two are torts.

stevesporn2000: which makes it pretty damn hard to make any kind of defamation or invasion of privacy action, at least in the US state where I live.

Not defamation, sure, but certainly invasion of privacy. She makes her money through her identity, so by stealing her information and posting it, he has damaged her ability to exploit her celebrity nature. This is also actionable under section 43 of the Lanham Act, in any US state.

('course, she's not in the US)



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is that a joke? identify theft? what did he steal her social security number and pose as her? no he made a facebook page, which is not an offical document but a internet toy.

invasion of privacy? SHE IS A PUBLIC FIGURE. she was in a porn movie published for sale. he didnt take a peeping tom video of her.

im sorry but making a fake facebook page of a public figure is not illegal. or anything you can sue over. its a parody.
 
2011-03-27 02:49:00 PM
there should be some grading entity for the porn industry

not everyone should qualify to be a porn star automatically

suggestions?
 
2011-03-27 02:55:09 PM

sift: ZeroCorpse. you suck man. feel sorry for your children.


Zero's right, though. On all of it. Where's the suck, dude?
 
2011-03-27 02:56:01 PM

Honest Bender: So, morality of the kid's behavior aside, why the fark should the school be able to punish him for actions performed outside of school?

I, for one, don't want school boards over stepping their authority.


Ditto. Same goes for their authority over her.

/farking totalitarians
 
2011-03-27 02:57:00 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Skail: He asked her for an autograph and she refused. The boy then created a Facebook page under her name and uploaded a racy profile picture of the woman in her underwear.

What a little shiat. That's just malicious. The kid should have charges filed against him.

This is where a civil suit can get creative. Go to court and have damages assigned based on each day that the facebook page is up. That should encourage the kid and his parents to find the password.

Nice to hear that the school board is transferring her instead of just canning her like other districts.


Me likey. (especially since it's not that big of a deal to have a password reset. that kid and his parents are scum. the kid was probably trying to bribe her, not get an autograph.)
 
2011-03-27 03:00:36 PM
She basically has to move now. If she stays 15 years later kids will still be talking and snickering about it. And there will probably be a few bootleg copies going around by then. All she can really do now is get as fat and unattractive as possible.
 
2011-03-27 03:02:15 PM

theflatline: she has a hot body, here is a youtube safe version with no nudity.
Link (new window)


Everything is hotter in French. No exceptions.
 
2011-03-27 03:04:32 PM

stevesporn2000: Can someone please tell me what the kid did that was wrong?


The kid acted out in spite when the kid didn't get his way immediately. The kid's spitefulness has caused harm to the person he was originally stalking.
 
2011-03-27 03:07:19 PM
Little tool deserves anything he gets. He needs a good asskicking
 
2011-03-27 03:16:25 PM
There are people who don't understand why the kid is in the wrong here?

Oh, right: slut shaming is an international sport. If she didn't want to be embarrassed she shouldn't have been such a slut, and anything coming about as a result of her slutty ways is just desserts, amirite?
 
2011-03-27 03:17:51 PM

Fissile: In Canada, it is legal to be a porn star, but it is illegal for me to tell anyone that you are a porn star....even if you really are a porn star?


No; the most likely illegal part is setting up publicity via Facebook using the name on the person's behalf without obtaining permission.

Publicizing "hey, our hot school secretary also did a job on the side as a porn star in this video" probably isn't illegal in itself. On the other hand, IAmStillNotALawyer am not sure; Canada has less a tradition of truth as sovereign defense against libel than the US. (No Zenger case.) It may well be under Canadian that if it can be proven you publicized true but private information (such as the legal name rather than stage name of a performer) for purposes of injury, you may be subject to civil damages anyway.
 
2011-03-27 03:20:01 PM

culebra: There are people who don't understand why the kid is in the wrong here?

Oh, right: slut shaming is an international sport. If she didn't want to be embarrassed she shouldn't have been such a slut, and anything coming about as a result of her slutty ways is just desserts, amirite?


this was a commerical product that he pointed out to others was for sale. your the one who is pointing out the negative image associated with porn. if the kid had told everyone he saw her in a episode of full house that would have been okay? but because its porn he should keep it secret because its shamefull?

if she didnt want anyone to know she was in it, she shouldn't have acted in a commercial movie.
 
2011-03-27 03:23:41 PM

abb3w: Fissile: In Canada, it is legal to be a porn star, but it is illegal for me to tell anyone that you are a porn star....even if you really are a porn star?

No; the most likely illegal part is setting up publicity via Facebook using the name on the person's behalf without obtaining permission.

Publicizing "hey, our hot school secretary also did a job on the side as a porn star in this video" probably isn't illegal in itself. On the other hand, IAmStillNotALawyer am not sure; Canada has less a tradition of truth as sovereign defense against libel than the US. (No Zenger case.) It may well be under Canadian that if it can be proven you publicized true but private information (such as the legal name rather than stage name of a performer) for purposes of injury, you may be subject to civil damages anyway.


wait, so if you reveal the real name of an actor with a stage name thats illegal? im sorry but thats bullshiat. as long as you are not lying you are doing nothing wrong. ITS PUBLIC INFORMATION. he publicized public information. thats not wrong in my book.
 
2011-03-27 03:24:23 PM

sift: this was a commerical product


The civil suit will focus on the Facebook page, and the kid's family will lose. Had he left it at "exposing" her, there wouldn't really be an issue. Instead he acted with malice aforethought. It'll be a key point in his development and the punishment will make him a better, more thoughtful person (hopefully).

sift: if she didnt want anyone to know she was in it, she shouldn't have acted in a commercial movie.


If she didn't want to be raped, she shouldn't have worn that skirt.
 
2011-03-27 03:39:59 PM

sift: abb3w: Fissile: In Canada, it is legal to be a porn star, but it is illegal for me to tell anyone that you are a porn star....even if you really are a porn star?

No; the most likely illegal part is setting up publicity via Facebook using the name on the person's behalf without obtaining permission.

Publicizing "hey, our hot school secretary also did a job on the side as a porn star in this video" probably isn't illegal in itself. On the other hand, IAmStillNotALawyer am not sure; Canada has less a tradition of truth as sovereign defense against libel than the US. (No Zenger case.) It may well be under Canadian that if it can be proven you publicized true but private information (such as the legal name rather than stage name of a performer) for purposes of injury, you may be subject to civil damages anyway.

wait, so if you reveal the real name of an actor with a stage name thats illegal? im sorry but thats bullshiat. as long as you are not lying you are doing nothing wrong. ITS PUBLIC INFORMATION. he publicized public information. thats not wrong in my book.


Hey wingnut. He posted in her name. If he posted under her stage name, he is violating her copyright/trademark. If he posted under her real name, that's fraud. Both are illegal. If you still feel this is fine, I can offer to set up a Facebook page with your details plugging whatever legal products, services and or associations I figure would get a good chuckle. Say, you recommend Trojan condoms for when cousins visit. Nudge nudge, wink wink. They also come in size XS for your type of guy! Got any problems with this?

The issue here is not that he revealed her to be a porn star. It is how he went about it. She chose a stage name, presumably, for the same reason everyone else in the business does. To retain some semblance of privacy. Why? Because of dipwads like you.
 
2011-03-27 03:41:11 PM

sift: abb3w: Fissile: In Canada, it is legal to be a porn star, but it is illegal for me to tell anyone that you are a porn star....even if you really are a porn star?

No; the most likely illegal part is setting up publicity via Facebook using the name on the person's behalf without obtaining permission.

Publicizing "hey, our hot school secretary also did a job on the side as a porn star in this video" probably isn't illegal in itself. On the other hand, IAmStillNotALawyer am not sure; Canada has less a tradition of truth as sovereign defense against libel than the US. (No Zenger case.) It may well be under Canadian that if it can be proven you publicized true but private information (such as the legal name rather than stage name of a performer) for purposes of injury, you may be subject to civil damages anyway.

wait, so if you reveal the real name of an actor with a stage name thats illegal? im sorry but thats bullshiat. as long as you are not lying you are doing nothing wrong. ITS PUBLIC INFORMATION. he publicized public information. thats not wrong in my book.


OK, I can understand how setting up a Facebook account using someone else's image and name, without the permission of the person in question, could be a tort or, depending on the circumstances, a crime. How can revealing someone's legal name be a crime? Example: You agree to perform in a sex video in exchange for money. You further agree that you have no ownership rights to the sex video once it is produced, and the owners of said video have the write to display the video in public. You further agree with the producers that they will use your stage name, Mr. Big Stuff, in all matters related to the aforementioned porn vid. You and I both work for the same CPA firm. One day while fapping to porn, I come a cross a video titled, "Mr. Big Stuff, stuffs Lil' Sissie". I recognize you in the roll of Mr. Big Stuff....true name, John Smith. Next day at work I send everyone at the CPA firm an email telling them how John Smith, the guy who does all the firm's proforma work, is also porn actor, Mr. Big Stuff, and here is a link to some of the vids he's appeared in. Just exactly how have I done anything illegal or committed a tort?
 
2011-03-27 03:57:10 PM

Fissile: sift: abb3w: Fissile: In Canada, it is legal to be a porn star, but it is illegal for me to tell anyone that you are a porn star....even if you really are a porn star?

No; the most likely illegal part is setting up publicity via Facebook using the name on the person's behalf without obtaining permission.

Publicizing "hey, our hot school secretary also did a job on the side as a porn star in this video" probably isn't illegal in itself. On the other hand, IAmStillNotALawyer am not sure; Canada has less a tradition of truth as sovereign defense against libel than the US. (No Zenger case.) It may well be under Canadian that if it can be proven you publicized true but private information (such as the legal name rather than stage name of a performer) for purposes of injury, you may be subject to civil damages anyway.

wait, so if you reveal the real name of an actor with a stage name thats illegal? im sorry but thats bullshiat. as long as you are not lying you are doing nothing wrong. ITS PUBLIC INFORMATION. he publicized public information. thats not wrong in my book.

OK, I can understand how setting up a Facebook account using someone else's image and name, without the permission of the person in question, could be a tort or, depending on the circumstances, a crime. How can revealing someone's legal name be a crime? Example: You agree to perform in a sex video in exchange for money. You further agree that you have no ownership rights to the sex video once it is produced, and the owners of said video have the write to display the video in public. You further agree with the producers that they will use your stage name, Mr. Big Stuff, in all matters related to the aforementioned porn vid. You and I both work for the same CPA firm. One day while fapping to porn, I come a cross a video titled, "Mr. Big Stuff, stuffs Lil' Sissie". I recognize you in the roll of Mr. Big Stuff....true name, John Smith. Next day at work I send everyone at the CPA firm an email telling them how John Smith, the guy who does all the firm's proforma work, is also porn actor, Mr. Big Stuff, and here is a link to some of the vids he's appeared in. Just exactly how have I done anything illegal or committed a tort?


You answered yourself. Read carefully. Let the words, and their meaning, and the implications sink in. Your motives become the issue. I suspect your employer would probably fire your ass if you were dumb enough to do something like that. More importantly, in a civil case, your motive for disseminating the information, though probably public, would come into question. If it can be reasonably proved you were acting maliciously or prejudicial to the other party's interests, bingo, you have a successful suing.

Probably public means that while there are records to prove Mr X is indeed Mr Y, in order for them to be produced might involve a court order. It would depend on jurisdiction. Until there is a public record that Mr X is Mr Y, your claims are hearsay. Name changes are common enough for the purposes of protecting an individual's privacy.
 
2011-03-27 04:00:52 PM

No Such Agency: BTW, anyone who reads the comments on the article page - The Sun's readership truly are the "Epsilons" of Canada. Alas, we have Tea-Party-grade stupid up here too...


...and they'll all gonna vote for Stephen Harper and we'll be stuck with him for a least four years.
 
2011-03-27 04:01:43 PM
"You answered yourself. Read carefully. Let the words, and their meaning, and the implications sink in. Your motives become the issue. I suspect your employer would probably fire your ass if you were dumb enough to do something like that. More importantly, in a civil case, your motive for disseminating the information, though probably public, would come into question. If it can be reasonably proved you were acting maliciously or prejudicial to the other party's interests, bingo, you have a successful suing...."


What he said. And let's NOT forget, the little asshat FRAUDULENTLY created an FB account in someone else's name.
 
2011-03-27 04:02:41 PM

culebra: sift: this was a commerical product

The civil suit will focus on the Facebook page, and the kid's family will lose. Had he left it at "exposing" her, there wouldn't really be an issue. Instead he acted with malice aforethought. It'll be a key point in his development and the punishment will make him a better, more thoughtful person (hopefully).

sift: if she didnt want anyone to know she was in it, she shouldn't have acted in a commercial movie.

If she didn't want to be raped, she shouldn't have worn that skirt.



wait wait, are you comparing rape to acting in adult movie? Adult movies are not illegal, they are a commercial product for sale. This isnt some sex tape that got stolen and released on the internet. its as legal as soda pop and ice cream.


Setting up a fake internet profile for a celebrity is not ILLEGAL. she is a public figure, which you are allowed to parody or make fun of. He didn't say anything that was negative (unless you perceive acting in porn as bad) and he didn't lie about any of it.

how are you going to compare what he did, with slander of a private citizen? and even negating the fact that shes a public figure, he didn't post anything libel or even negative about her.

and im sorry, but facebook is not offical. ITS AN INTERNET TOY. how can you sue someone for fraud for a fake facebook acount ?
 
2011-03-27 04:06:38 PM
 
2011-03-27 04:10:53 PM

Thudfark: Fissile: sift: abb3w: Fissile: In Canada, it is legal to be a porn star, but it is illegal for me to tell anyone that you are a porn star....even if you really are a porn star?

No; the most likely illegal part is setting up publicity via Facebook using the name on the person's behalf without obtaining permission.

Publicizing "hey, our hot school secretary also did a job on the side as a porn star in this video" probably isn't illegal in itself. On the other hand, IAmStillNotALawyer am not sure; Canada has less a tradition of truth as sovereign defense against libel than the US. (No Zenger case.) It may well be under Canadian that if it can be proven you publicized true but private information (such as the legal name rather than stage name of a performer) for purposes of injury, you may be subject to civil damages anyway.

wait, so if you reveal the real name of an actor with a stage name thats illegal? im sorry but thats bullshiat. as long as you are not lying you are doing nothing wrong. ITS PUBLIC INFORMATION. he publicized public information. thats not wrong in my book.

OK, I can understand how setting up a Facebook account using someone else's image and name, without the permission of the person in question, could be a tort or, depending on the circumstances, a crime. How can revealing someone's legal name be a crime? Example: You agree to perform in a sex video in exchange for money. You further agree that you have no ownership rights to the sex video once it is produced, and the owners of said video have the write to display the video in public. You further agree with the producers that they will use your stage name, Mr. Big Stuff, in all matters related to the aforementioned porn vid. You and I both work for the same CPA firm. One day while fapping to porn, I come a cross a video titled, "Mr. Big Stuff, stuffs Lil' Sissie". I recognize you in the roll of Mr. Big Stuff....true name, John Smith. Next day at work I send everyone at the CPA firm an email telling them how John Smith, the guy who does all the firm's proforma work, is also porn actor, Mr. Big Stuff, and here is a link to some of the vids he's appeared in. Just exactly how have I done anything illegal or committed a tort?

You answered yourself. Read carefully. Let the words, and their meaning, and the implications sink in. Your motives become the issue. I suspect your employer would probably fire your ass if you were dumb enough to do something like that. More importantly, in a civil case, your motive for disseminating the information, though probably public, would come into question. If it can be reasonably proved you were acting maliciously or prejudicial to the other party's interests, bingo, you have a successful suing.

Probably public means that while there are records to prove Mr X is indeed Mr Y, in order for them to be produced might involve a court order. It would depend on jurisdiction. Until there is a public record that Mr X is Mr Y, your claims are hearsay. Name changes are common enough for the purposes of protecting an individual's privacy.


i call bs on your entire arguement. it clearly states at the begning of a porno where you can obtain all legal documents reguarding the identification of all actors. it is public information. publiclizing public information is not illegal.

is the obama administration going to sue fox news for talking about unemployment rates? "well you see, if they just didnt talk about it, it probally wouldn't have gotten out"
 
2011-03-27 04:10:53 PM
A couple of quick comments:

- There is no sex offenders registry in Quebec.
- While her reputation may have suffered, she did not lose her job, so she'll be hard-pressed to show she has incured damages under Quebec's civil code. Her distributor can probably sue the kid for copyright infringement, but I would think he sees the free publicity as a good thing.
 
2011-03-27 04:20:00 PM

sift: Thudfark: Fissile: sift: abb3w: Fissile: In Canada, it is legal to be a porn star, but it is illegal for me to tell anyone that you are a porn star....even if you really are a porn star?

No; the most likely illegal part is setting up publicity via Facebook using the name on the person's behalf without obtaining permission.

Publicizing "hey, our hot school secretary also did a job on the side as a porn star in this video" probably isn't illegal in itself. On the other hand, IAmStillNotALawyer am not sure; Canada has less a tradition of truth as sovereign defense against libel than the US. (No Zenger case.) It may well be under Canadian that if it can be proven you publicized true but private information (such as the legal name rather than stage name of a performer) for purposes of injury, you may be subject to civil damages anyway.

wait, so if you reveal the real name of an actor with a stage name thats illegal? im sorry but thats bullshiat. as long as you are not lying you are doing nothing wrong. ITS PUBLIC INFORMATION. he publicized public information. thats not wrong in my book.

OK, I can understand how setting up a Facebook account using someone else's image and name, without the permission of the person in question, could be a tort or, depending on the circumstances, a crime. How can revealing someone's legal name be a crime? Example: You agree to perform in a sex video in exchange for money. You further agree that you have no ownership rights to the sex video once it is produced, and the owners of said video have the write to display the video in public. You further agree with the producers that they will use your stage name, Mr. Big Stuff, in all matters related to the aforementioned porn vid. You and I both work for the same CPA firm. One day while fapping to porn, I come a cross a video titled, "Mr. Big Stuff, stuffs Lil' Sissie". I recognize you in the roll of Mr. Big Stuff....true name, John Smith. Next day at work I send everyone at the CPA firm an email telling them how John Smith, the guy who does all the firm's proforma work, is also porn actor, Mr. Big Stuff, and here is a link to some of the vids he's appeared in. Just exactly how have I done anything illegal or committed a tort?

You answered yourself. Read carefully. Let the words, and their meaning, and the implications sink in. Your motives become the issue. I suspect your employer would probably fire your ass if you were dumb enough to do something like that. More importantly, in a civil case, your motive for disseminating the information, though probably public, would come into question. If it can be reasonably proved you were acting maliciously or prejudicial to the other party's interests, bingo, you have a successful suing.

Probably public means that while there are records to prove Mr X is indeed Mr Y, in order for them to be produced might involve a court order. It would depend on jurisdiction. Until there is a public record that Mr X is Mr Y, your claims are hearsay. Name changes are common enough for the purposes of protecting an individual's privacy.

i call bs on your entire arguement. it clearly states at the begning of a porno where you can obtain all legal documents reguarding the identification of all actors. it is public information. publiclizing public information is not illegal.

is the obama administration going to sue fox news for talking about unemployment rates? "well you see, if they just didnt talk about it, it probally wouldn't have gotten out"


Man, you really are denser than spent uranium. Alright, I'll play. Phone up Vivid Video and get me all of the personal details of any two stars. Real name, birth date, SSN, address. I'm willing to wait a couple of weeks.

If FB is a toy and not legally binding to anything in the known universe: set up a page, now. This page will claim to be The Official FB Page of John Travolta. When Johnny boy's lawyers contact you, and they will, your defence is: I did it because FB isn't real. Strike one. Next argument: I did it for teh lulz with public information. Strike two. Your last argument, which may garner sympathy in a court of law or a civil court is: I'm a retarded derp.

Get back to me on these, will ya?
 
2011-03-27 04:25:51 PM
there are fake facebook and fake myspace pages all over the place for celebrities.

"Phone up Vivid Video and get me all of the personal details of any two stars."
im sure a quick google of any two random porn stars you can find there real name. google say, jenna jamenson wiki, or whatever. why do i need there ssn and address? did he post all that information on the facebook page?

so you are saying, i go on facebook, make a fake page for john trovolta, that says 'hi im john travolta, and i was in battle field earth' and put a picture of him from battle field earth as the profile pic, i would be sued ? please man, what world do you live in? at the very worse it would be deleted.
 
2011-03-27 04:31:21 PM

sift: there are fake facebook and fake myspace pages all over the place for celebrities.

"Phone up Vivid Video and get me all of the personal details of any two stars."
im sure a quick google of any two random porn stars you can find there real name. google say, jenna jamenson wiki, or whatever. why do i need there ssn and address? did he post all that information on the facebook page?

so you are saying, i go on facebook, make a fake page for john trovolta, that says 'hi im john travolta, and i was in battle field earth' and put a picture of him from battle field earth as the profile pic, i would be sued ? please man, what world do you live in? at the very worse it would be deleted.


I double dog dare you. Oh please please please. Triple dog dare even.
 
2011-03-27 04:35:31 PM
facebook has a policy of removing fake pages. all one has to do is alert them that the page is a fraud and they will take it down. and considering that the facebook page in question (from the artcile) contained no false information or said anything negative about her it is very unlikley she could win any kind of judgement against the boy.
 
2011-03-27 04:42:55 PM

sift: so? facebook is not a real thing. it is a social networking site. its not like he took her information and applied for a credit card.


You obviously don't understand the legal definition of "intent" and how it affects the color of your actions with regard to the law, or you wouldn't find this issue to be so opaque. It's not that complicated.
 
2011-03-27 04:44:26 PM

I am waiter hear me roar: sift: so? facebook is not a real thing. it is a social networking site. its not like he took her information and applied for a credit card.

You obviously don't understand the legal definition of "intent" and how it affects the color of your actions with regard to the law, or you wouldn't find this issue to be so opaque. It's not that complicated.


He's having a hard time grasping one + potato. I really hope he does the Travolta thing.
 
2011-03-27 04:46:33 PM

I am waiter hear me roar: sift: so? facebook is not a real thing. it is a social networking site. its not like he took her information and applied for a credit card.

You obviously don't understand the legal definition of "intent" and how it affects the color of your actions with regard to the law, or you wouldn't find this issue to be so opaque. It's not that complicated.


he intended to reveal public information.

if he released private information or made up lies i would understand there being an inssue. but he basically made an unwanted fan page.
 
2011-03-27 04:47:25 PM

sift: facebook has a policy of removing fake pages. all one has to do is alert them that the page is a fraud and they will take it down. and considering that the facebook page in question (from the artcile) contained no false information or said anything negative about her it is very unlikley she could win any kind of judgement against the boy.


That is NOT the issue here. The boy's acts and their intent will be the issue, any harm he may have caused the plaintiff (that she can prove of course) are the issue. You can actually commit a tortious act while not technically breaking any laws.
 
2011-03-27 04:54:05 PM

BarbadoSlim: sift: facebook has a policy of removing fake pages. all one has to do is alert them that the page is a fraud and they will take it down. and considering that the facebook page in question (from the artcile) contained no false information or said anything negative about her it is very unlikley she could win any kind of judgement against the boy.

That is NOT the issue here. The boy's acts and their intent will be the issue, any harm he may have caused the plaintiff (that she can prove of course) are the issue. You can actually commit a tortious act while not technically breaking any laws.


under that same logic one could say that telling everyone that a teacher was on the registered sex offender list would negativley affect that person and they could sue you for damages.
 
2011-03-27 04:55:01 PM

sift: "he was talking about kids sending nude pictures to each other or to adults?"

oh well man. tell them not to do it, and hopefully they wont. hell, even look through your internet logs and whatnot and snoop in there computer. im just saying, i wouldn't bar my kids from having a computer in there room when there in the age range of 14-18.

just like i wouldn't bar my kids from going outside of the house without me, or going to there friends place. they might get into trouble , they might do something against the rules, but if you raised your kids right, they most likely will act proper. usually the kids doing all the crazy shiat are the ones with parents who just dont give a fark at all.


Sift's daughter is going to be "popular".
 
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