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(BBC)   Not news: Liquor store to close due to competition. Holy FARK: It opened in the year 1617   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 62
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2011-03-26 09:40:54 PM
i242.photobucket.com
 
2011-03-26 09:41:06 PM
Probably dozing it over to build a Wal Mart.
 
2011-03-26 09:41:50 PM
FTFA:
"The store's five-year lease came up for renewal at the end of March."

Um...what? Why would a store with 400 years of history have a LEASE?
 
2011-03-26 09:44:06 PM
Pack it up. Over in one.
 
2011-03-26 09:44:16 PM

ramblinwreck: FTFA:
"The store's five-year lease came up for renewal at the end of March."

Um...what? Why would a store with 400 years of history have a LEASE?


Look at the building in the photo.
 
2011-03-26 09:44:56 PM
Anyone else want to punch that first picture in the kisser?

/Bonus: doing it thru the screen...
 
2011-03-26 09:46:41 PM
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2011-03-26 09:47:49 PM
What kind of name is "Bakers Wine Merchants?"

I thought good British pubs were given names like "The Slaughtered Lamb?"
 
2011-03-26 09:48:01 PM

RoyBatty: ramblinwreck: FTFA:
"The store's five-year lease came up for renewal at the end of March."

Um...what? Why would a store with 400 years of history have a LEASE?

Look at the building in the photo.


Im looking and i still dont get it. There might be other shops in there but i mean, honestly, the business is 400 years old. At some point when one of the landlords died and the building went up for sale, did they not think it might be a good idea to buy it? Its not like they had plans to go anywhere.
 
2011-03-26 09:55:02 PM
bobjohnson

I'm looking and I still don't get it. There might be other shops in there but i mean, honestly, the business is 400 years old.


I think he means that while the business is 400 years old, the building itself is not 400 years old. This is not their original location (or if it is there's a new building on the site).
 
2011-03-26 09:55:39 PM
 
2011-03-26 09:56:07 PM

bobjohnson: RoyBatty: ramblinwreck: FTFA:
"The store's five-year lease came up for renewal at the end of March."

Um...what? Why would a store with 400 years of history have a LEASE?

Look at the building in the photo.

Im looking and i still dont get it. There might be other shops in there but i mean, honestly, the business is 400 years old. At some point when one of the landlords died and the building went up for sale, did they not think it might be a good idea to buy it? Its not like they had plans to go anywhere.


blame the tax system that penalizes property ownership. Own it and lose money. Lease it and deduct it from taxes.
 
2011-03-26 09:56:11 PM
img.listal.com

Far too many have defected to the nearby mega mart eh?
 
2011-03-26 09:58:38 PM
 
2011-03-26 10:05:33 PM
Does anyone sell signs that look like Google Map markers?

It might be a fun idea for a party:

i53.tinypic.com
 
2011-03-26 10:05:57 PM

bobjohnson: Im looking and i still dont get it. There might be other shops in there but i mean, honestly, the business is 400 years old. At some point when one of the landlords died and the building went up for sale, did they not think it might be a good idea to buy it? Its not like they had plans to go anywhere.


Because they have probably moved over the years. Perhaps business was never good enough to buy a building of the size they needed? Or at one point they expanded/modernized/downsized/something that resulted in them using leased space? Then there are taxes and various laws and regulations. Perhaps this was the best way for them to comply and stay in business.
 
2011-03-26 10:12:07 PM
Competition breeds progress. F*ck em & build a Tesco.
 
2011-03-26 10:15:07 PM
Hope. Change.
 
2011-03-26 10:18:03 PM
Even if the business goes, leave the building alone; or better yet, give it a bit of a renovation. I'd hate to see a beautiful building like that to be torn down to make another mall or a wallmart. We have enough of those.
 
2011-03-26 10:19:40 PM

Bocanegra: Hope. Change.


b-b-but Obama!
 
2011-03-26 10:19:57 PM

RoyBatty: Does anyone sell signs that look like Google Map markers?

It might be a fun idea for a party:


Heh, there's actually a building here close by that has a very large copy of that marker hanging on the side of the building, facing the road: Link (new window).

It's not actually visible from Street View yet, but the link goes to a photo.
 
2011-03-26 10:21:58 PM
That's gotta be one of the worlds oldest liquor establishments, no? I couldn't find anything on the googles about oldest liquor stores... Apparently theres some tavern in charleston, sc that claims to be the oldest in the US, supposedly since 1686, but no real story about it.

Surely this place must be a historic landmark of some kind?

"Bakers: Making ugly chicks hittable for 4 centuries!"
 
2011-03-26 10:27:57 PM
I think the local police chief might have a problem with this...

content8.flixster.com
 
2011-03-26 10:34:22 PM
Bakers Wine Merchants in Bishops Waltham will make five members of staff redundant when it shuts later.

I guess that's the most PC way of saying "Fired", "Canned", "Sacked", etc?
 
2011-03-26 10:40:32 PM
FTFA: Managing director Colin Baker felt he could not commit "with Sainsbury's looming".

t2.gstatic.com

Well with that outfit, I can see there might be commitment issues...
 
2011-03-26 10:40:34 PM
Been open since roughly the time Pocahontas became a British citizen, then died of smallpox.

Very ruffly collars were popular around that time, too.
 
2011-03-26 10:45:11 PM
Apparently 400 years isn't enough for the owners to figure out how to sell at a lower price and retain a positive margin.

They will likely be replaced by somebody who does.
 
2011-03-26 10:58:52 PM

historynow11: Far too many have defected to the nearby mega mart eh?


I saw that and thought of this guy:
manorborngirl.webs.com
/the fforbes-hhamiltons probably bought from Bakers
 
2011-03-26 11:01:03 PM

RoyBatty: Does anyone sell signs that look like Google Map markers?

It might be a fun idea for a party:


Or for a business to point out, Here we are!".
 
2011-03-26 11:12:34 PM
can't stop the man


\Mark, call me
 
2011-03-26 11:13:05 PM

URAPNIS: Probably dozing it over to build a Wal Mart.


Sainsbury's, same thing.
 
2011-03-26 11:17:31 PM
I have a suspicion that this off-license's claim to have been in business for almost 400 years is about as legitimate as TNA Wrestling's claim that their championship is the same one that Ric Flair held in the 1980s and Lou Thesz held in the 1950s and George Hackenschmidt held in the 1910s and Abraham Lincoln won by wrestling a bear in the 1830s.
 
2011-03-26 11:23:09 PM
Not news: Liquor store to close due to competition. Holy FARK: It opened in the year 1617

Like their central bank devaluing their currency faster than the honest businesses can keep up?
 
2011-03-26 11:33:47 PM
Hindsight is 20/20 but they should have expanded like Berry Brothers and Rudd.
 
2011-03-26 11:45:39 PM
So they're closing out of 'fears' that an as-yet unopened supermarket will put them out of business? What a bunch of pussies.
 
2011-03-26 11:46:31 PM
QUICK, PASS PROTECTIONIST LEGISLATION SO PEOPLE 300 MILES AWAY FROM THIS OLD ASS LIQUOR STORE THAT SPENT ALMOST 400 YEARS FORGETTING HOW TO TURN A PROFIT CAN HAVE TO PAY TO KEEP IT OPEN!!!!11111
 
2011-03-26 11:54:00 PM
FTA: The store has been owned by two families for 244 years.

That's not very much information considering 1617+244=1861 150 years is missing there.

When did theese two families own it, now? At the same time, what?
 
2011-03-27 12:02:10 AM

gojirast: FTFA: Managing director Colin Baker felt he could not commit "with Sainsbury's looming".


t2.gstatic.com
Well with that outfit, I can see there might be commitment issues...



Clearly it wasn't really opened 400 years ago. The Doctor simply nipped back in time yesterday and opened the shop in the past so as to gain some historical credibility.
 
2011-03-27 12:06:16 AM

spawn73: FTA: The store has been owned by two families for 244 years.


I wonder if any of the girls in the families were deaf and dumb sex addicts?
 
2011-03-27 12:26:37 AM
In England, they have some very long leases. I knew a guy near Stonehenge, who was living in the house he grew up in, and they were only about 1/3 of the way through their 99 year life lease.

So, it's probably possible to not own after 400 years. Weird, but possible.
 
2011-03-27 12:40:41 AM

CygnusDarius: Even if the business goes, leave the building alone; or better yet, give it a bit of a renovation. I'd hate to see a beautiful building like that to be torn down to make another mall or a wallmart. We have enough of those.


You understand, don't you, that it's in England?
 
2011-03-27 12:44:16 AM
Okay how is this place not Farker Holy Ground?
 
2011-03-27 12:51:45 AM

quantum_jellyroll: CygnusDarius: Even if the business goes, leave the building alone; or better yet, give it a bit of a renovation. I'd hate to see a beautiful building like that to be torn down to make another mall Tepco or an wallmart Asda. We have enough of those.

You understand, don't you, that it's in England?


I stand corrected.

/I still say preserve the shop
 
2011-03-27 02:04:58 AM

unfknreal: That's gotta be one of the worlds oldest liquor establishments, no?


Well, there's the Seven Stars behind the Royal Courts of Justice in London. Used to pass that by every day. I'm sure there's older.
 
zz9
2011-03-27 02:10:23 AM

Shadyman: Bakers Wine Merchants in Bishops Waltham will make five members of staff redundant when it shuts later.

I guess that's the most PC way of saying "Fired", "Canned", "Sacked", etc?


Not exactly. Fired means you were useless or were caught stealing or something. Redundant means the business is closing or downsizing, and you get a payoff.

If you were fired it was your fault.
If you were made redundant it was the businesses fault, as here.
 
2011-03-27 02:31:29 AM

zz9: Shadyman: Bakers Wine Merchants in Bishops Waltham will make five members of staff redundant when it shuts later.

I guess that's the most PC way of saying "Fired", "Canned", "Sacked", etc?

Not exactly. Fired means you were useless or were caught stealing or something. Redundant means the business is closing or downsizing, and you get a payoff.

If you were fired it was your fault.
If you were made redundant it was the businesses fault, as here.



I always thought redundant implied that two positions merged and could be accomplished by a single person so one of the people was made redundant and they were laid off. This often happens when two companies merge.

I do agree with you though that being made redundant is being laid off and not fired. Laid off means it wasn't necessarily your fault, while being fired pretty much means you screwed up.

I would consider those five people in the 'Laid Off' category
 
2011-03-27 02:51:31 AM
This makes me very, very sad. :-(
 
zz9
2011-03-27 02:53:22 AM

Splat313: zz9: Shadyman: Bakers Wine Merchants in Bishops Waltham will make five members of staff redundant when it shuts later.

I guess that's the most PC way of saying "Fired", "Canned", "Sacked", etc?

Not exactly. Fired means you were useless or were caught stealing or something. Redundant means the business is closing or downsizing, and you get a payoff.

If you were fired it was your fault.
If you were made redundant it was the businesses fault, as here.


I always thought redundant implied that two positions merged and could be accomplished by a single person so one of the people was made redundant and they were laid off. This often happens when two companies merge.

I do agree with you though that being made redundant is being laid off and not fired. Laid off means it wasn't necessarily your fault, while being fired pretty much means you screwed up.

I would consider those five people in the 'Laid Off' category


Redundancy is just what it's called here. See the official redundancy calculator.
Even if a company fires you, or makes your job hell and forces you to resign, you can sue for constructive dismissal and get them to pay you a redundancy payment.
 
2011-03-27 03:05:26 AM

no clever name here just move along: In England, they have some very long leases. I knew a guy near Stonehenge, who was living in the house he grew up in, and they were only about 1/3 of the way through their 99 year life lease.

So, it's probably possible to not own after 400 years. Weird, but possible.


99-year land leases happen in the US, too, mostly on the east coast. You'll own the house but not the land it's built on.
 
zz9
2011-03-27 03:14:16 AM

jagec: no clever name here just move along: In England, they have some very long leases. I knew a guy near Stonehenge, who was living in the house he grew up in, and they were only about 1/3 of the way through their 99 year life lease.

So, it's probably possible to not own after 400 years. Weird, but possible.

99-year land leases happen in the US, too, mostly on the east coast. You'll own the house but not the land it's built on.


We have 999 year leases as well.
IIRC a freehold is from the ground up, so any property like apartments that are on top of each other cannot be separate and freehold. So you have one freehold and then separate 999 year leases for each unit.
 
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