If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Abc.net.au)   If you had Syria to make it through to the elite eight, you are on the cusp of a perfect bracket   (abc.net.au) divider line 132
    More: Interesting  
•       •       •

6213 clicks; posted to Main » on 25 Mar 2011 at 9:46 AM (3 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



132 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread
 
2011-03-25 09:47:48 AM
I'm sure Obama is to blame
 
2011-03-25 09:49:16 AM
This should be awesome. Where are George Clooney and Sultan Dr. Julian Bashir?
 
2011-03-25 09:51:24 AM
www.inquisitr.com
"We had a revolution before it was cool."
 
2011-03-25 09:51:36 AM
So when does the bombing begin?
 
2011-03-25 09:51:53 AM
I wonder how this will affect the future of the middle east. Specifically is this going to end the never ending violence towards Israel? Will the middle east normalize relations with them? How will Israel react? Are they encouraging this, or do they view this as a threat?
 
2011-03-25 09:53:03 AM
I don't think even Bin Ladin was aware of how successful he'd be in destabilizing corrupt Arab regimes (near enemy) by attacking the United States (far enemy).

His stated goal is coming to fruition on a rather epic scale. These are historic times.
 
2011-03-25 09:53:43 AM

WTF Indeed: "We had a revolution before it was cool."


They also have a lot of bud. And Jerry Garcia is on a national stamp.
 
2011-03-25 09:54:39 AM
Hopefully, when they get done revolting against their archaic system of government, they can revolt against their archaic belief systems.

Yes, that counts for everyone in the region.
 
2011-03-25 09:54:54 AM

DarnoKonrad: I don't think even Bush was aware of how successful he'd be in destabilizing corrupt Arab regimes by attacking Iraq.

His stated goal is coming to fruition on a rather epic scale. These are historic times.

 
2011-03-25 09:55:33 AM

MugzyBrown: DarnoKonrad: I don't think even Bush was aware of how successful he'd be in destabilizing corrupt Arab regimes by attacking Iraq.

His stated goal is coming to fruition on a rather epic scale. These are historic times.


It's cute that you people believe this waaargaarbl
 
2011-03-25 09:56:12 AM

tankjr: It's cute that you people believe this waaargaarbl


It's as valid a possibility (probably more) than what the original post said.
 
2011-03-25 09:56:31 AM
C'mon Lichtenstein! You can do it!
 
2011-03-25 09:57:09 AM

MugzyBrown: DarnoKonrad: I don't think even Bush was aware of how successful he'd be in destabilizing corrupt Arab regimes by attacking Iraq.

His stated goal is coming to fruition on a rather epic scale. These are historic times.


Lame. Bush was nowhere near that smart.
 
2011-03-25 09:58:06 AM

MugzyBrown: tankjr: It's cute that you people believe this waaargaarbl

It's as valid a possibility (probably more) than what the original post said.


I believe they are both conjecture, but I will concede that it is within the realm of possibility.
 
2011-03-25 09:58:25 AM
bin Laden Doctrine?

/God help me, I love you guys....
 
2011-03-25 10:00:41 AM

indarwinsshadow: I wonder how this will affect the future of the middle east. Specifically is this going to end the never ending violence towards Israel? Will the middle east normalize relations with them? How will Israel react? Are they encouraging this, or do they view this as a threat?


Find out the answers these questions and more, next time...same Sectarian Violence time, same sectarian violence channel!
 
2011-03-25 10:03:19 AM

tankjr: I believe they are both conjecture, but I will concede that it is within the realm of possibility.


I don't know if either are correct, I think I could provide a better case for Iraq being the motivation more than Bin Laden's plans.
 
2011-03-25 10:04:37 AM
The somewhat distressing thing is that Syria is the Middle-east country that is most like pre-invasion Iraq. It makes one wonder whether Iraq would have eventually fallen to popular uprisings had the US not invaded. Especially considering there already was a no-fly zone in place.
 
2011-03-25 10:05:15 AM

MugzyBrown: tankjr: It's cute that you people believe this waaargaarbl

It's as valid a possibility (probably more) than what the original post said.



Really, it's not. I'd ask you to read up on the goals and history of political Islam, but you're not exactly known basing your opinions in evidence.
 
2011-03-25 10:06:15 AM

MugzyBrown: tankjr: It's cute that you people believe this waaargaarbl

It's as valid a possibility (probably more) than what the original post said.


There are a lot of causes to these uprisings. Looking at Iraq and saying "I want it to be more like that!" probably isn't anywhere near the top of the list.
 
2011-03-25 10:08:17 AM
Oh hey!
Which seat should I take?
 
2011-03-25 10:08:33 AM

DarnoKonrad: Really, it's not. I'd ask you to read up on the goals and history of political Islam, but you're not exactly known basing your opinions in evidence.


My goals are also for a democratized middle east. So, did I cause this as well?
 
2011-03-25 10:09:37 AM

MugzyBrown: tankjr: I believe they are both conjecture, but I will concede that it is within the realm of possibility.

I don't know if either are correct, I think I could provide a better case for Iraq being the motivation more than Bin Laden's plans.


The idea was to draw the united states into protracted land war in Afghanistan the way the Soviets were defeated. In doing so, the collateral damage will motivate people to overthrow U.S. backed dictatorships throughout the Mideast.

Undoubtedly, if Bin Ladin lived to see it, he probably couldn't contain his glee when Bush started 2 wars in the Arab world -- essentially doubling his money.
 
2011-03-25 10:10:17 AM
I had Yemen completely falling apart before Syria....I supposed that because the US & Saudis are backing the Yemeni govt, it'll be harder for them to fall....same with Bahrain.
 
2011-03-25 10:10:58 AM
If Syria falls, who will support the terrorists? Won't someone please think of the terrorists!?
static.tvfanatic.com
 
2011-03-25 10:11:04 AM
Yeah... Syria has more 'Bahrain' than 'Egypt' in it.

Hope Al-Assad can convince the top echelon to not shoot the hell out of their own people.
 
2011-03-25 10:12:01 AM
Syria is the country that brought us the Hama Massacre where the government surrounded a rebelling city and exterminated nearly it's entire populace to prevent the rebellion from spreading.

I wouldn't put it past the leadership from cracking down just as hard this time around.
 
2011-03-25 10:12:40 AM

MugzyBrown: DarnoKonrad: I don't think even Bush was aware of how successful he'd be in destabilizing corrupt Arab regimes by attacking Iraq.

His stated goal is coming to fruition on a rather epic scale. These are historic times.


Don't give Bush credit, thank Bank of America, ING, etc. for causing a complete collapse in the world economy...which lead to high unemployment, inflation and food shortages in the middle east.
 
2011-03-25 10:13:00 AM

tedbundee: I'm sure Obama is to blame


By the sheer force of his awesomeness, Obama has WILLED democracy into the Middle East.

/give him another Nobel Peace Prize!!
 
2011-03-25 10:14:08 AM

rrife: Don't give Bush credit, thank Bank of America, ING, etc. for causing a complete collapse in the world economy...which lead to high unemployment, inflation and food shortages in the middle east.


Another more likely cause than: Everything has gone as Bin Laden planned.
 
2011-03-25 10:14:41 AM
FTFA
"I spent eight years and a half of my life in jails"

Quote from the 80 yo lawyer.

/He spent 48 years in jail ??
 
2011-03-25 10:15:19 AM
Wow, that sounds serious.
 
2011-03-25 10:15:40 AM
Obama is like..."Damn, I just want to watch some basketball"
 
2011-03-25 10:16:03 AM
This is all very biblical
 
2011-03-25 10:17:27 AM
Not enough oil. No freedom for you.
 
2011-03-25 10:18:36 AM

PapermonkeyExpress: tedbundee: I'm sure Obama is to blame

By the sheer force of his awesomeness, Obama has WILLED democracy into the Middle East.

/give him another Nobel Peace Prize!!


Give him two. And the one in physics. That'll learn him.
 
2011-03-25 10:19:31 AM

MugzyBrown:

My goals are also for a democratized middle east.



And yet I doubt you're particularly enamored with the Iranian Republic. 'Democracy' needn't look liberal and western.
 
2011-03-25 10:21:27 AM
www.peteleroi.com

/and so on
//and so on...
///and so on...
////when does the madness end?
//trick question...it never will
 
2011-03-25 10:23:13 AM

tankjr: MugzyBrown: tankjr: It's cute that you people believe this waaargaarbl

It's as valid a possibility (probably more) than what the original post said.

I believe they are both conjecture, but I will concede that it is within the realm of possibility.



There's actually a doctrine named after him about it. It was one of the many reasons he stated for invading Iraq, even though it was lost in the noise of all the WHHHAAARRGGLLL coming from both sides of the political divide at the time. Both sides ended up obsessing over the WMD thing so much that they totally lost sight of all the other reasons.

It was also something I was giving him credit for at the time, and I'm glad that the thirst for freedom throughout the Arab world is finally coming to a head. They're severely overdue for it. For the life of me I cannot understand why some people think Arab human beings don't deserve to live free - and particularly free of oppressive, murderous, autocratic regimes who keep them stuck in a cycle of grinding poverty and violence - just like anyone else.

That said... I'm not sure how much credit should realistically be given to our invasion and liberation of Iraq. It seems to me like a good portion of this movement has to do with the greater exposure to the rest of the world that they get from internet access. I'm sure it doesn't hurt to have a democratic Iraq as an example there, but I think the internet access probably had more to do with it.

Either way though, I'm glad that at long last the Middle East may be finally taking some first, halting steps towards liberation for the region. All human beings ultimately deserve to live in freedom.
 
2011-03-25 10:23:14 AM
Wow, so now how many countries is this now? Let's see:

Tunisia
Egypt
Libya
Syria
and many others

This whole fighting for human rights thing seems to be catching on. I'm wary though, because good intentions don't always carry over into post revolution societies. Still, despite the horribleness of it all, it is genuinely fascinating to see.
 
2011-03-25 10:23:22 AM

tedbundee: PapermonkeyExpress: tedbundee: I'm sure Obama is to blame

By the sheer force of his awesomeness, Obama has WILLED democracy into the Middle East.

/give him another Nobel Peace Prize!!

Give him two. And the one in physics. That'll learn him.


Obama: WINNING!
 
2011-03-25 10:23:51 AM

DarnoKonrad: MugzyBrown: tankjr: I believe they are both conjecture, but I will concede that it is within the realm of possibility.

I don't know if either are correct, I think I could provide a better case for Iraq being the motivation more than Bin Laden's plans.

The idea was to draw the united states into protracted land war in Afghanistan the way the Soviets were defeated. In doing so, the collateral damage will motivate people to overthrow U.S. backed dictatorships throughout the Mideast.

Undoubtedly, if Bin Ladin lived to see it, he probably couldn't contain his glee when Bush started 2 wars in the Arab world -- essentially doubling his money.


The only real U.S. backed regime is Saudi Arabia and they aren't anywhere close to revolution. I spose you could make a case for Mubarak but that was from an age when the u.s was pulling egypt away from nasserism to prevent soviet client states in the region. But the cold war has long been over and you don't see too much concern over what type of govt egypt will have. As for the rest, most are our defacto enemies. Just RTFA
 
2011-03-25 10:24:09 AM
Well, I'm all for the shaking up of the political establishment of the ME. Perhaps democracy and all that will have a moderating effect on their cultures.... or maybe not. Whatever, I brought my popcorn.
 
2011-03-25 10:24:15 AM

DarnoKonrad: And yet I doubt you're particularly enamored with the Iranian Republic. 'Democracy' needn't look liberal and western.


Democracy is a very poor form of government in terms of getting things done. For developing nations, I would almost argue that true democracy is actually bad for them, as it distracts from growth.
 
2011-03-25 10:25:49 AM
This

Link (new window)

thumbnails.truveo.com

Long live the SSNP!
 
2011-03-25 10:27:33 AM

chu2dogg: [Saudis] aren't anywhere close to revolution.


Haven't been watching the news lately have you? Protests in Saudi Arabia aren't 'normal.' Nor is sending Saudi security forces to neighboring states.
 
2011-03-25 10:27:46 AM

Jacobin: This is all very biblical


I never get it when people say this.
 
2011-03-25 10:30:43 AM

H31N0US: Hopefully, when they get done revolting against their archaic system of government, they can revolt against their archaic belief systems.

Yes, that counts for everyone in the region.


And when are you going to revolt against your own "archaic belief systems"?
 
2011-03-25 10:30:44 AM

Shaggy_C: DarnoKonrad: And yet I doubt you're particularly enamored with the Iranian Republic. 'Democracy' needn't look liberal and western.

Democracy is a very poor form of government in terms of getting things done. For developing nations, I would almost argue that true democracy is actually bad for them, as it distracts from growth.




It's sloppy. As anyone beaten for drinking out of the wrong water fountain might attest.
 
2011-03-25 10:30:53 AM

The Great Gazoo: The somewhat distressing thing is that Syria is the Middle-east country that is most like pre-invasion Iraq. It makes one wonder whether Iraq would have eventually fallen to popular uprisings had the US not invaded. Especially considering there already was a no-fly zone in place.


I was just there, and this is EXACTLY what person after person told me. Funny thing is, many were Kurds. And they had been fighting Hussein the longest, and one would think that they would have been the most supportive of our intervention. But, they felt that they would have had change with time without intervention.

Just say'in
/rather, they are just say'in...were say'n...er...something...
 
2011-03-25 10:31:31 AM
My hope is that all the countries get an iran style hard line islamist government and they all ally with one another trade nuclear weapons and finish off israel once and for all.
 
2011-03-25 10:32:15 AM
Sports metaphor? Really?

Until we start executing the losing teams, grow up.
 
2011-03-25 10:32:21 AM

WienerButt: Jacobin: This is all very biblical

I never get it when people say this.


They mean rain of fire and locust
destruction and death.

The bible is a violent book full of sex and death.
 
2011-03-25 10:33:15 AM
I'm not even sure the Syrian's regime usual scapegoat (AKA Israel) is going to help this time.

Assad Jr. is still small potatoes compared to his father who slaughtered almost an entire city.

I'm sure the UN will be all over this. Any minute now.
 
2011-03-25 10:33:43 AM

MugzyBrown: It's as valid a possibility (probably more) than what the original post said.


Both are, at best, tenuously linked to this.

If your looking for an individual then Mohamed Bouazizi has a better claim to sparking this wave of protests than any other single person and his reasons for doing so had nothing to with Bush, Iraq or Bin Laden.

Though it's important to note that he was a spark rather than a cause. These countries were already simmering with discontent and several already had significant protests even before he set himself on fire.
 
2011-03-25 10:34:20 AM

mitEj: WienerButt: Jacobin: This is all very biblical

I never get it when people say this.

They mean rain of fire and locust
destruction and death.

The bible is a violent book full of sex and death.


But does it specifically talk about Libya, Syria, Yemen, Egypt and Teabaggers?
 
2011-03-25 10:35:06 AM

WienerButt: Jacobin: This is all very biblical

I never get it when people say this.


I was just thinking of the glorification of war, famine, pestilence and martyrdom in the bible.
 
2011-03-25 10:38:44 AM
Just to be clear. Mohamed Bouazizi was protesting his own mistreatment. I don't think he intended or thought his actions would lead to the level of protests it did.
 
2011-03-25 10:43:59 AM

DarnoKonrad: chu2dogg: [Saudis] aren't anywhere close to revolution.

Haven't been watching the news lately have you? Protests in Saudi Arabia aren't 'normal.' Nor is sending Saudi security forces to neighboring states.


I said Saudi Arabia. Not Bahrain
 
2011-03-25 10:44:39 AM

DarnoKonrad: These are historic the end times.


FTFY.
 
2011-03-25 10:47:34 AM
We can't enforce no fly zones everywhere. If the Syrians decide to start shooting their civilians Gaddafi-style, we have a problem. If they fold like Mubarak did, it's a lot easier. Keep in mind that the current ruler of Syria is not his father. He's a lot likelier to take his ill-gotten gains and head for Uganda that Assad, Sr. would have.

This has to be good news for Israel. Even a Muslim Brotherhood-type government couldn't be more hostile towards Israel than current regime in Syria. The next step in the evolution of Arab democracy must be "Hey, our government was wrong and lied to us about everything else. Maybe they lied to us about Israel too."
 
2011-03-25 10:49:35 AM
Does Syria have nukes?

Does Syria have oil fields?
 
2011-03-25 10:49:59 AM

mongbiohazard: There's actually a doctrine named after him about it.


The Bush Doctrine is just shade for the Wolfowitz Doctrine (new window)

They never gave a fark about those people
 
2011-03-25 10:50:46 AM

Cman1982: My hope is that all the countries get an iran style hard line islamist government and they all ally with one another trade nuclear weapons and finish off israel once and for all.


Wow, you are just an enormous dickhead, aren't you?
 
2011-03-25 10:52:26 AM
Dick Cheney "How can I make gas prices spike? OH!!"

de Beers "NO not yours!"

Just protect the refugees and let everyone else duke it out.
 
2011-03-25 10:54:02 AM

DarnoKonrad: I don't think even Bin Ladin was aware of how successful he'd be in destabilizing corrupt Arab regimes (near enemy) by attacking the United States (far enemy).

His stated goal is coming to fruition on a rather epic scale. These are historic times.


Indeed.

I'm also enjoying the way that the Rev Fred Phelps is succeeding in making Americans aware of the need for a Christian theocracy in this country.

It is truly a great time for conservative victories.

/keep up the good work, guy!
 
2011-03-25 10:54:38 AM
Before cheap digital video cameras were small enough to hide easily you could get away with this sort of thing: Link (new window)

Not any more.
 
2011-03-25 10:54:57 AM

clambam: The next step in the evolution of Arab democracy must be "Hey, our government was wrong and lied to us about everything else. Maybe they lied to us about Israel too."


Not likely. While the Arab regimes have undoubtedly used Israel as a focal point for the resentments of their own people, the Israeli regime has done and said just enough to be legitimately despised by the Arab people.
 
2011-03-25 10:56:21 AM
No fly zone has become a buzz word which seems to imply antiseptic war from the flyers point of view.

Makes me recall a scene from tv MASH where Hawkeye walked a pilot through the ER.

/was a ground poundin' southeast wargame participant
//also went through a MASH
///AFTER seeing the Farking movie
 
2011-03-25 10:56:38 AM

clambam: This has to be good news for Israel.



Well, as long as it's all good for Israel.

That's all that matters.
 
2011-03-25 10:58:09 AM

DarnoKonrad: It's sloppy. As anyone beaten for drinking out of the wrong water fountain might attest.


Agreed - it seems to work better in heterogeneous populations where this is little ethnic or religious strife. A lot of the middle East does not have that luxury, whether you're talking about Sunni/Shia Kurd/non-Kurd or African/Arab/Persian, the dividing lines between nations really have no logical basis. This leads to increased strife because you don't have any kind of deep-rooted nationalism in a nation that only exists because of the way it was partitioned by a colonial power in the last century.
 
2011-03-25 11:01:35 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: clambam: The next step in the evolution of Arab democracy must be "Hey, our government was wrong and lied to us about everything else. Maybe they lied to us about Israel too."

Not likely. While the Arab regimes have undoubtedly used Israel as a focal point for the resentments of their own people, the Israeli regime has done and said just enough to be legitimately despised by the Arab people.




Yea, and I think a sticking point in popular resentment is 50 years of dictators being officially "we're against Israel" while not really doing anything about -- or actively participating in the marginalization of Palestinians for political or economic reasons.
 
2011-03-25 11:04:05 AM

Shaggy_C: DarnoKonrad: It's sloppy. As anyone beaten for drinking out of the wrong water fountain might attest.

Agreed - it seems to work better in heterogeneous populations where this is little ethnic or religious strife. A lot of the middle East does not have that luxury, whether you're talking about Sunni/Shia Kurd/non-Kurd or African/Arab/Persian, the dividing lines between nations really have no logical basis. This leads to increased strife because you don't have any kind of deep-rooted nationalism in a nation that only exists because of the way it was partitioned by a colonial power in the last century.



Yep. A lot of national borders were purposely drawn to include warring tribes or factions -- easier to colonize.
 
2011-03-25 11:05:13 AM
But what do you need a financial advisor for? Twenty years ago you had the highest GNP in the world, now you're tied with Albania. So, good job. Your second largest export is secondhand goods, followed closely by dates for which you lose five cents a pound. You know what the business world thinks of you? They think a hundred years ago you were living in tents out here in the desert chopping each other's heads off and that's exactly where you'll be in another hundred years- so on behalf of my firm, yes, I accept your money.
 
2011-03-25 11:06:53 AM

rrife: I had Yemen completely falling apart before Syria....I supposed that because the US & Saudis are backing the Yemeni govt, it'll be harder for them to fall....same with Bahrain.


Actually BBC news front page is running with Yemen as the more alarming situation today. There are big protests in support of and against Yemen's dictator President. But I guess it's pretty neck-and-neck to see who's going to light the touchpaper and go all Egypt first.
 
2011-03-25 11:08:11 AM

Yea, and I think a sticking point in popular resentment is 50 years of dictators being officially "we're against Israel" while not really doing anything about -- or actively participating in the marginalization of Palestinians for political or economic reasons.



Ahhhh..someone needs remedial history. I do seem to recall these dictators trying several times to wipe Israel off the map. Having your armies destroyed and your land seized tends to make one less enthusiastic in mounting further escapades.

Suppressing their people is whole lot easier and just as profitable. Well, until recently.
 
2011-03-25 11:12:58 AM

milominderbinder: Yea, and I think a sticking point in popular resentment is 50 years of dictators being officially "we're against Israel" while not really doing anything about -- or actively participating in the marginalization of Palestinians for political or economic reasons.



Ahhhh..someone needs remedial history. I do seem to recall these dictators trying several times to wipe Israel off the map. Having your armies destroyed and your land seized tends to make one less enthusiastic in mounting further escapades.

Suppressing their people is whole lot easier and just as profitable. Well, until recently.




Uh, you might send yourself back to reeducation camp there sparky.

For one example, the Jordanians were worse to the Palestinians than the Israelis were. To say nothing of governments like Egypt that are complicit in the present blockade.
 
2011-03-25 11:15:26 AM

gravyhand: And when are you going to revolt against your own "archaic belief systems"?


About 25 years ago, dbag. Any more questions?
 
2011-03-25 11:19:46 AM

Eapoe6: Sports metaphor? Really?

Until we start executing the losing teams, grow up.


[welcometofark.jpg]
[lightenupfrancis.jpg]
[waaaaaaambulance.jpg]
[coolstorybro.jpg]

/last one added just for the hell of it
 
2011-03-25 11:21:44 AM

milominderbinder: I do seem to recall these dictators trying several times to wipe Israel off the map. Having your armies destroyed and your land seized tends to make one less enthusiastic in mounting further escapades.


The last attempted invasion was 38 years ago. Take a look at the various age bracket pyramids for the arab countries. Most of their citizens are far too young to have personally experienced those conflicts.
 
2011-03-25 11:23:44 AM

tankjr: mongbiohazard: There's actually a doctrine named after him about it.

The Bush Doctrine is just shade for the Wolfowitz Doctrine (new window)

They never gave a fark about those people



No, I disagree. Bush (well, G.W. Bush anyway) wasn't president until almost a decade after that. There are some similarities, sure, but W had a vision that was different than that of his father and he did speak of wanting to spread Democracy through the middle east. I think it was an honest desire.
 
2011-03-25 11:34:36 AM

MugzyBrown: So when does the bombing begin?


Not enough oil.
Obama only bombs countries when he wants their oil.
 
2011-03-25 11:35:47 AM

mongbiohazard: tankjr: mongbiohazard: There's actually a doctrine named after him about it.

The Bush Doctrine is just shade for the Wolfowitz Doctrine (new window)

They never gave a fark about those people


No, I disagree. Bush (well, G.W. Bush anyway) wasn't president until almost a decade after that. There are some similarities, sure, but W had a vision that was different than that of his father and he did speak of wanting to spread Democracy through the middle east. I think it was an honest desire.


I agree with you, even though everyone hates Bush and he was a horrible public speaker I honestly felt that he always wanted to do the right thing. Even if they sometimes went horribly horribly wrong. He really thought that if we brought Democracy to the middle east the world would be a better place.
 
2011-03-25 11:37:57 AM
Will this mess up my DVR for American Idol?
 
2011-03-25 11:38:11 AM
Adding a third shift at Raytheon.

www.amoeba.com
 
2011-03-25 11:38:53 AM

The Great Gazoo: It makes one wonder whether Iraq would have eventually fallen to popular uprisings had the US not invaded. Especially considering there already was a no-fly zone in place.


sure, that no-fly zone prevent Saddam from gassing the Kurds. Besides based on his history, Saddam would have just caved when he saw the protestors.
 
2011-03-25 11:39:25 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: MugzyBrown: So when does the bombing begin?

Not enough oil.
Obama only bombs countries when he wants their oil.


I thought only Bush did that? I mean look how much MORE oil we have flowing from Iraq!

Who wouldn't make the connection bomb a country = they give you more oil

This oil crap has become more of a talking point than a believable issue. We may be trying to prevent oil prices from skyrocketing but it's not like we keeping our planes hovering around oil fields. In Iraq we even BOMBED the oil fields, we didn't try to secure them with specops or even try to protect them. Sometimes its not about the Oil.
 
2011-03-25 11:42:01 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: MugzyBrown: So when does the bombing begin?

Not enough oil.
Obama only bombs countries when he wants their oil.


Not enough systemic killing of civilians.
 
2011-03-25 11:45:52 AM

tektwo: tenpoundsofcheese: MugzyBrown: So when does the bombing begin?

Not enough oil.
Obama only bombs countries when he wants their oil.

I thought only Bush did that? I mean look how much MORE oil we have flowing from Iraq!

Who wouldn't make the connection bomb a country = they give you more oil

This oil crap has become more of a talking point than a believable issue. We may be trying to prevent oil prices from skyrocketing but it's not like we keeping our planes hovering around oil fields. In Iraq we even BOMBED the oil fields, we didn't try to secure them with specops or even try to protect them. Sometimes its not about the Oil.


shhhhhh. don't say that on Fark. People think it was all about invading to get their oil. Remember, no blood for oil, etc.
 
2011-03-25 11:56:16 AM

clambam: Maybe they lied to us about Israel too."


Yeah, b/c Israel has never done anything to give themselves a bad name.
 
2011-03-25 11:58:25 AM
The important thing is we may FINALLY find Saddam's WMDs,

I seem to remember a lot of people crowing years back that "Well it's obvious why we didn't find any WMDs, Saddam shipped them all to Syria. There's, like, pictures and proof and stuff. Stupid lib."
 
2011-03-25 11:58:55 AM
"An oracle concerning Damascus: See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins."
The Prophet Isaiah - Chapter 17, verse 1 NIV

you heard it here first.
 
2011-03-25 12:08:02 PM
Come on, people. Show some love for subby's headline.
 
2011-03-25 12:09:06 PM
What the Libyan rebels think of President Peace Prize:

d.yimg.com
 
2011-03-25 12:12:17 PM

Fomby_Belcher: Adding a third shift at Raytheon.


Ha!
 
2011-03-25 12:13:29 PM
Wow, a lot of people have swallowed the Arab propaganda I see. Because, when you find yourself surrounded by a hostile ethnicity that outnumbers you 60 to 1, the first thing that comes to mind in a plucky little nation-state is "Hey, let's see what we can do to piss these people off at us even more!" Of course, protecting yourself from their attacks is guaranteed to piss them off. And if they choose to attack you from schoolyards and hospitals, it's your fault if the innocents they put in harm's way are injured and die.
 
2011-03-25 12:14:44 PM

dosboot: What the Libyan rebels think of President Peace Prize:


Just in case someone was stupid enough to bite on this troll, I'll hit it in advance - those aren't rebels.
 
2011-03-25 12:15:28 PM

dosboot: What the Libyan rebels think of President Peace Prize:


Your the kid who giggles from within the round rack displays of underpants in JC Penney, aren't you?
 
2011-03-25 12:16:29 PM

clambam: Wow, a lot of people have swallowed the Arab propaganda I see. Because, when you find yourself surrounded by a hostile ethnicity that outnumbers you 60 to 1, the first thing that comes to mind in a plucky little nation-state is "Hey, let's see what we can do to piss these people off at us even more!" Of course, protecting yourself from their attacks is guaranteed to piss them off. And if they choose to attack you from schoolyards and hospitals, it's your fault if the innocents they put in harm's way are injured and die.


I, uh... I don't, uh... what?

images.wikia.com
 
2011-03-25 12:17:15 PM

clambam: Wow, a lot of people have swallowed the Arab propaganda I see.


Apparently not. That would explain all the uprising.
 
2011-03-25 12:23:59 PM
clambam: Wow, a lot of people have swallowed the Arab propaganda I see. Because, when you find yourself surrounded by a hostile ethnicity that outnumbers you 60 to 1, the first thing that comes to mind in a plucky little nation-state is "Hey, let's see what we can do to piss these people off at us even more!" Of course, protecting yourself from their attacks is guaranteed to piss them off. And if they choose to attack you from schoolyards and hospitals, it's your fault if the innocents they put in harm's way are injured and die.

Uh, I read that three times and then I had to lie down. The hostile ethnicity is what, shiates vs Sunnis? Who's protecting whom from attacks, and who's hiding in schools and faulting the innocent?

I feel like I just ate ice cream too fast.
 
2011-03-25 12:26:18 PM

LasersHurt: dosboot: What the Libyan rebels think of President Peace Prize:

Just in case someone was stupid enough to bite on this troll, I'll hit it in advance - those aren't rebels.


So you have personal knowledge of the individuals in the photograph. The AP identified them as Libyan anti-government protesters. While your at it, please tell us who makes up the rebels and what do they really stand for. I will give you a head-start: According to an NBC report the other night, about 1/5 of the rebels are fighting because they think Gaddafi is a Jew
 
2011-03-25 12:27:38 PM

dosboot: So you have personal knowledge of the individuals in the photograph.


Do you?
 
2011-03-25 12:29:45 PM

dosboot: LasersHurt: dosboot: What the Libyan rebels think of President Peace Prize:

Just in case someone was stupid enough to bite on this troll, I'll hit it in advance - those aren't rebels.

So you have personal knowledge of the individuals in the photograph. The AP identified them as Libyan anti-government protesters. While your at it, please tell us who makes up the rebels and what do they really stand for. I will give you a head-start: According to an NBC report the other night, about 1/5 of the rebels are fighting because they think Gaddafi is a Jew


I can tell you're serious because of all of the evidence you have.
 
2011-03-25 12:42:55 PM

indarwinsshadow: I wonder how this will affect the future of the middle east. Specifically is this going to end the never ending violence towards Israel? Will the middle east normalize relations with them? How will Israel react? Are they encouraging this, or do they view this as a threat?


You should be concerned about how this will affect the future of 99% of the Middle East than Israel. That is unless you view one side as being God's chosen and the other being sub-human.
 
2011-03-25 12:44:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The Great Gazoo: It makes one wonder whether Iraq would have eventually fallen to popular uprisings had the US not invaded. Especially considering there already was a no-fly zone in place.

sure, that no-fly zone prevent Saddam from gassing the Kurds. Besides based on his history, Saddam would have just caved when he saw the protestors.


Of course you know, so I won't point out, that Saddam gassed the Kurds in 1988 while the Iraq no-fly zone was implemented in 1992.
 
2011-03-25 12:45:59 PM

wolvernova: indarwinsshadow: I wonder how this will affect the future of the middle east. Specifically is this going to end the never ending violence towards Israel? Will the middle east normalize relations with them? How will Israel react? Are they encouraging this, or do they view this as a threat?

You should be concerned about how this will affect the future of 99% of the Middle East than Israel. That is unless you view one side as being God's chosen and the other being sub-human.


I understand where you're coming from, but don't you think that is a harsh reaction to a perfectly valid question?
 
2011-03-25 12:46:14 PM

DarnoKonrad: MugzyBrown:

My goals are also for a democratized middle east.


And yet I doubt you're particularly enamored with the Iranian Republic. 'Democracy' needn't look liberal and western.


Iran is not a democracy. Not even close.
 
2011-03-25 12:47:58 PM

The Great Gazoo: Of course you know, so I won't point out, that Saddam gassed the Kurds in 1988 while the Iraq no-fly zone was implemented in 1992.


It's like plugging a dyke of ignorant, isn't it?
 
2011-03-25 12:48:42 PM

wolvernova: DarnoKonrad: MugzyBrown:

My goals are also for a democratized middle east.


And yet I doubt you're particularly enamored with the Iranian Republic. 'Democracy' needn't look liberal and western.

Iran is not a democracy. Not even close.


You should both be talking Turkey.
 
2011-03-25 12:51:24 PM

thamike: I understand where you're coming from, but don't you think that is a harsh reaction to a perfectly valid question?


I think that Israel's security needs are way overplayed and overvalued in the American political lexicon. It's like hearing their is a famine and asking if that Queen's caviar might be spoiled. It's callous.
 
2011-03-25 12:55:57 PM

wolvernova: I think that Israel's security needs are way overplayed and overvalued in the American political lexicon. It's like hearing their is a famine and asking if that Queen's caviar might be spoiled. It's callous.


Yeah, I got that. But there was nothing in the post you attacked to indicate a contrary agenda. The guy was just curious. And it is something to be curious about. Maybe you have some context on indarwinsshadow that I don't, but you kinda jumped down his neck.
 
2011-03-25 01:01:18 PM
I am in Damascus at the moment and it is a bit interesting.
 
2011-03-25 01:03:01 PM

jakomo002: Uh, I read that three times and then I had to lie down. The hostile ethnicity is what, shiates vs Sunnis? Who's protecting whom from attacks, and who's hiding in schools and faulting the innocent?

I feel like I just ate ice cream too fast.


Disingenuous much?
 
2011-03-25 01:04:50 PM

clambam: jakomo002: Uh, I read that three times and then I had to lie down. The hostile ethnicity is what, shiates vs Sunnis? Who's protecting whom from attacks, and who's hiding in schools and faulting the innocent?

I feel like I just ate ice cream too fast.

Disingenuous much?


Can some third party explain this exchange to me?
 
2011-03-25 01:13:47 PM

tarvuz: I am in Damascus at the moment and it is a bit interesting.


Interesting? Thanks for elaborating. That's like reporting from Hiroshima in 1945 and saying it's balmy.
 
2011-03-25 01:14:59 PM

wolvernova: Iran is not a democracy. Not even close.


Compared to what? They have elections. What more do you want?

The Netherlands has proportional representation and seven main political parties. They could easily claim that the USA isn't a democracy.
 
2011-03-25 01:17:34 PM

epoc_tnac: Compared to what? They have elections. What more do you want?


That's an obtuse argument.

Unless, of course, you're really in the dark about it.
 
2011-03-25 01:26:38 PM

thamike: wolvernova: I think that Israel's security needs are way overplayed and overvalued in the American political lexicon. It's like hearing their is a famine and asking if that Queen's caviar might be spoiled. It's callous.

Yeah, I got that. But there was nothing in the post you attacked to indicate a contrary agenda. The guy was just curious. And it is something to be curious about. Maybe you have some context on indarwinsshadow that I don't, but you kinda jumped down his neck.


No, I don't know anything about his perspective. But it's the question that gets asked all the time and seems to be the only concern from neo-conservatives (not projecting that at all onto indarwinsshadow ) who abhor tyranny of regimes like Syria which is antithetic to Israel, but are vocally opposed to a tyrannical country that has warmer relations with Israel. All of that is noise to me; I want to know how this will have a transcendental impact on the hundreds of millions of people in the region, their quality of life, and their ability to speak openly and live under a govt that doesn't rule them with contempt and cruelty.

So you're right, it's not an invalid question at all. But it's way less important than what will happen to the people revolting in country X at the moment.

epoc_tnac: Compared to what? They have elections. What more do you want?


I'm going to assume that you're being sarcastic.
 
2011-03-25 01:47:03 PM

tarvuz: I am in Damascus at the moment and it is a bit interesting.


I am supposed to be there in 6 weeks, and I am trying desperately to figure out the scoop in that city. Any info from someone on the ground would be MOST welcome at this point.
 
2011-03-25 01:52:35 PM

dosboot: LasersHurt: dosboot: What the Libyan rebels think of President Peace Prize:

Just in case someone was stupid enough to bite on this troll, I'll hit it in advance - those aren't rebels.

So you have personal knowledge of the individuals in the photograph. The AP identified them as Libyan anti-government protesters. While your at it, please tell us who makes up the rebels and what do they really stand for. I will give you a head-start: According to an NBC report the other night, about 1/5 of the rebels are fighting because they think Gaddafi is a Jew


It is funny that the rebels would drape themselves in green since that is a symbol of Gaddafi's "Green Revolution".
 
2011-03-25 02:12:38 PM

killerkas: Does Syria have nukes?


www.alsumaria.tv

They were trying, till Israel bombed their facility in 07.
 
2011-03-25 02:25:53 PM

wolvernova: So you're right, it's not an invalid question at all. But it's way less important than what will happen to the people revolting in country X at the moment.


That's subjective. And unless that's a serious point of contention, maybe it should be left alone. We are full up on Farkers who will pick that sh*t to the bone any chance they can get. Enjoy the sunshine while it lasts.
 
2011-03-25 02:34:04 PM
wolvernova

I'm not choosing either side. I've grown tired of reading who's God is the only God. There's no God, so personally I don't give a shiat what claims anyone makes on the deity business. My concern is peace. I'm just curious if this will lead to a lasting peace in the middle east. Not here to choose sides, and I really don't care what your politics are. Seriously, I could care more about how clean my butt hole is per swipe of toilet paper than I could if you like Israel, hate Israel or feel they're just groovy. Clear now chuckles?
It'd be nice to go a year without reading about some sort of shiat happening in the middle of the farking desert.
 
2011-03-25 02:36:16 PM

indarwinsshadow: I'm not choosing either side. I've grown tired of reading who's God is the only God. There's no God, so personally I don't give a shiat what claims anyone makes on the deity business. My concern is peace. I'm just curious if this will lead to a lasting peace in the middle east. Not here to choose sides, and I really don't care what your politics are. Seriously, I could care more about how clean my butt hole is per swipe of toilet paper than I could if you like Israel, hate Israel or feel they're just groovy. Clear now chuckles?
It'd be nice to go a year without reading about some sort of shiat happening in the middle of the farking desert.


Agreed. Well said, chuckles.
 
2011-03-25 02:40:09 PM

indarwinsshadow: Seriously, I could care more about how clean my butt hole is per swipe


What kind of hell bound animal "swipes" at his own butthole?
 
2011-03-25 03:37:56 PM

thamike: indarwinsshadow: Seriously, I could care more about how clean my butt hole is per swipe

What kind of hell bound animal "swipes" at his own butthole?


THAT's the question you have at the end of all this?
 
2011-03-25 03:53:37 PM

GameSprocket: dosboot: LasersHurt: dosboot: What the Libyan rebels think of President Peace Prize:

Just in case someone was stupid enough to bite on this troll, I'll hit it in advance - those aren't rebels.

So you have personal knowledge of the individuals in the photograph. The AP identified them as Libyan anti-government protesters. While your at it, please tell us who makes up the rebels and what do they really stand for. I will give you a head-start: According to an NBC report the other night, about 1/5 of the rebels are fighting because they think Gaddafi is a Jew

It is funny that the rebels would drape themselves in green since that is a symbol of Gaddafi's "Green Revolution".


Does this mean the rebels are hipsters?
 
2011-03-25 03:54:32 PM

Akallabeth: GameSprocket: dosboot: LasersHurt: dosboot: What the Libyan rebels think of President Peace Prize:

Just in case someone was stupid enough to bite on this troll, I'll hit it in advance - those aren't rebels.

So you have personal knowledge of the individuals in the photograph. The AP identified them as Libyan anti-government protesters. While your at it, please tell us who makes up the rebels and what do they really stand for. I will give you a head-start: According to an NBC report the other night, about 1/5 of the rebels are fighting because they think Gaddafi is a Jew

It is funny that the rebels would drape themselves in green since that is a symbol of Gaddafi's "Green Revolution".

Does this mean the rebels are hipsters?


No, otherwise we would have a lot more iPhone 4 video.
 
2011-03-25 06:42:42 PM

YoMammaObama: killerkas: Does Syria have nukes?



They were trying, till Israel bombed their facility in 07.



It's a pity that Kennedy didn't live long enough to order the bombing of Dimona.

Kennedy Letter to Eshkol Regarding Visits to Dimona (new window)

"Dear Mr. Prime Minister:

"Your letter of August 19 was most welcome here. I appreciate that this was a difficult decision, yet I am convinced that in generously agreeing to invite our scientists to visit the Dimona complex on the regular basis that was proposed you have acted from a deep wisdom regarding Israel's security in the longer term and the awesome realities which the atomic age imposes on the community of man.

You have suggested that an initial visit take place toward the end of this year in the pre-startup stage. I am asking Ambassador Barbour to keep in touch with you so that the visit can be arranged for at a time when the reactor's core is being loaded and before internal radiation hazards have developed.

The recent overwhelming endorsement of the partial test ban treaty has moved us all a small step in the direction of a more peaceful world. Our purpose must be to continue striving toward the effective control of the power of the atom so that it may be used only for the welfare of man. The spirit you have shown in your letter to me is a clear indication that you share that same high purpose.

Sincerely, John F. Kennedy"


Clearly JFK was intent on seeing that Israel did not use the plant for weapons development.

Unfortunately he didn't live long after that.
 
2011-03-25 07:04:08 PM

Farker T: Unfortunately he didn't live long after that.


watchmojo.com
Are you insinuating that the Joooos killed him? Cause your letter is hardly "Proof" of an intent to bomb Israel. And is even less proof of the Jooooo plot. But Mel is interested in your news letter.
 
2011-03-25 07:38:36 PM

YoMammaObama: Farker T: Unfortunately he didn't live long after that.


Are you insinuating that the Joooos killed him? Cause your letter is hardly "Proof" of an intent to bomb Israel. And is even less proof of the Jooooo plot. But Mel is interested in your news letter.



I'm not insinuating anything. We all know that those particular folks are pure as the driven snow and harmless as lambs.

Apparently the notion struck a chord with you, though. Do you really think it's a possibility?
 
Displayed 132 of 132 comments



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report