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2011-03-25 11:16:20 AM  

bblustein: If you can't admit that there's a free pass in villanizing white christians that doesn't exist in villanizing other groups, then you, too, are fooling yourself.


I've never heard of anyone speak ill of Muslims. Ever. Not in the media. Not on Capitol Hill. Never.

Nor have I ever heard kicking and screaming from the right when someone suggests there might be radical rightwing groups out there. Nope. Never heard of a DHS report being retracted because Bill O'Reilly threw a shiat fit. Never heard of that.
 
2011-03-25 11:17:31 AM  

jst3p: thefnz1: jst3p: keylock71: jst3p: "We are trying to get this stopped because all it is doing is building up prejudices by calling people white supremacists and stuff like that,"

It really is a shame when people call white supremacists "white supremacists".

...and you're really the racist for pointing out they're white supremacists.

huh? I am late to the thread so this one needs some explaining.

Umm, the government sorta taunted people that are against illegal immigration.

They are either horRible neo nacho razists or they are ok people or something in between and there might be guns involved or not and it is a good idea or not and some people got their knickers twisted hard because the INTERNET is SERIOUS and then other people pointed out to the twisted knickers theyu had their facts wrong, especially the ones that always want to be on record as disliking racists with recognizable "lets kill the neo nachos and kkk" nicks that post a lot and then people went back and forth to "sneer and be smug" on both sides and fun was had by all?

Dunno, that's my take. I should go do actual work now.

FTA:

One of the fictional suspects involved in the shootings is described an 18-year-old white male with a quick-tempered father who is a firearms enthusiast with ties to an underground white supremacy group. A second fictional suspect is described as an isolated 17-year-old white male student who was befriended by the older student and who mimics his new friend.

I see no mention of these fictional suspects views on immigration.



This whole scenario is no doubt based on the divisive fictional narrative provided by the SPLC/ADL.

OOOGAHBOOOGAH!
 
2011-03-25 11:18:12 AM  
Ugh. This reminds me of a simliar storm-in-a-double-double we had in Canada a few years ago. The Canadian army organized a war game in which Canadian troops based in eastern Ontario were to go through the motions of fighting the army of the make-believe country of "Fantasia," (in French "Fantaisie," "fantasy") who in the game had supposedly occupied southwestern Quebec.

On hearing about this many Quebec separatists were livid, convinced that "Fantaisie" was Quebec itself and that the Canadian army was planning its tactics for the civil war the separatists feared would break out if Quebec tried to secede without Canada's permission.

If that were true, it would explain why so many of Canada's prime ministers (who in the last 40 years were mostly Quebec MPs) had clearly lived their whole careers in a fantasy.
 
2011-03-25 11:20:17 AM  

Wendy's Chili: House of Tards: White knighting white supremacists. Stay classy, Fark.

According to dittybopper, there are no white supremacists because one crazy guy in Arizona is a nihilist.


Yep. And thefnz says there are no white supremacists because they are all undercover agents. Which is why that bomb in Spplane never actually happened, apparently.

I'm just relieved that we can now focus on the real danger to America. All 8 members of the New Black Panther Party.
 
2011-03-25 11:22:38 AM  

thefnz1:
Taking things written in that era and parsing things the way somebody who never thought about it much and was used to modern American English language usages is not going to get you a very good picture of what people spoke of at the time when the words were written.



"I am unacquainted with the extent of your works, and consequently ignorant of the number or men necessary to man them. If your present numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all means advise your making up the deficiency out of the best regulated militia that can be got."
--- George Washington (The Writings of George Washington, pp. 503-4, (G.P. Putnam & Sons, pub.)(1889))

"But Dr Sir I am Afraid it would blunt the keen edge they have at present which might be keept sharp for the Shawnese &c: I am convinced it would be Attended by considerable desertions. And perhaps raise a Spirit of Discontent not easily Queld amongst the best regulated troops, but much more so amongst men unused to the Yoak of Military Discipline."
--- Letter from Colonel William Fleming to Col. Adam Stephen, Oct 8, 1774, pp. 237-8. (Documentary History of Dunmore's War, 1774, Wisconsin historical society, pub. (1905))


I dunno...
 
2011-03-25 11:23:06 AM  

mrshowrules: bblustein: Look, white supremacist attack is indeed a realistic and plausible scenario - you who refuse to admit it are fooling yourself.

But, it was also clearly chosen because if you make the bad guys anything other than Whitey-McKKK, whatever ethnic/religious group you do use will be up in arms - and people will actually be mad. If you can't admit that there's a free pass in villanizing white christians that doesn't exist in villanizing other groups, then you, too, are fooling yourself.

Agreed but it doesn't even need be plausible, just realistic. As long as the scenario is realistic and meets the objectives of the exercise, that is all that is required.

In this case, you needed a group of shooters. In real life, it could be a disgruntled employee, crazy students or even Muslim terrorists but that seems like a bit of a stretch to me. Maybe in big coastal city but out in Iowa?



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The biggest threat to Iowa is that some of Monsanto's GMO corn will develop the ability to fix nitrogen from the air, sprout legs and go on a rampage of vengeful destruction.
 
2011-03-25 11:23:56 AM  
The 2nd amendment does not defend your right to whine uncontrollably.
 
2011-03-25 11:25:37 AM  

Regnad Kcin: thefnz1:
Taking things written in that era and parsing things the way somebody who never thought about it much and was used to modern American English language usages is not going to get you a very good picture of what people spoke of at the time when the words were written.


"I am unacquainted with the extent of your works, and consequently ignorant of the number or men necessary to man them. If your present numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all means advise your making up the deficiency out of the best regulated militia that can be got."
--- George Washington (The Writings of George Washington, pp. 503-4, (G.P. Putnam & Sons, pub.)(1889))

"But Dr Sir I am Afraid it would blunt the keen edge they have at present which might be keept sharp for the Shawnese &c: I am convinced it would be Attended by considerable desertions. And perhaps raise a Spirit of Discontent not easily Queld amongst the best regulated troops, but much more so amongst men unused to the Yoak of Military Discipline."
--- Letter from Colonel William Fleming to Col. Adam Stephen, Oct 8, 1774, pp. 237-8. (Documentary History of Dunmore's War, 1774, Wisconsin historical society, pub. (1905))


I dunno...


Read more.
 
2011-03-25 11:26:28 AM  

interstitialofficial: House of Tards: White knighting white supremacists. Stay classy, Fark.

Snarky emotionally appealing spin. Don't ever change, internet (planet Earth).


It's not emotionally appealing spin. It's actual posters either handwaving away white supremacists, changing the definition of white supremacists to be so narrow as to probably not include most of stormfront, or posting that every inner city in America is a war zone, despite the fact that all crime including gang related crime has been steadily declining for over 20 years.

But your offense at the unfair treatment of the white power brigade has been duly noted.
 
2011-03-25 11:26:34 AM  
Hmmmm seems that men far outweigh women in violent crime, no matter what "race" they belong to. So we're going to have to watch men, period.
 
2011-03-25 11:33:46 AM  

thefnz1: Regnad Kcin: thefnz1:
Taking things written in that era and parsing things the way somebody who never thought about it much and was used to modern American English language usages is not going to get you a very good picture of what people spoke of at the time when the words were written.


"I am unacquainted with the extent of your works, and consequently ignorant of the number or men necessary to man them. If your present numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all means advise your making up the deficiency out of the best regulated militia that can be got."
--- George Washington (The Writings of George Washington, pp. 503-4, (G.P. Putnam & Sons, pub.)(1889))

"But Dr Sir I am Afraid it would blunt the keen edge they have at present which might be keept sharp for the Shawnese &c: I am convinced it would be Attended by considerable desertions. And perhaps raise a Spirit of Discontent not easily Queld amongst the best regulated troops, but much more so amongst men unused to the Yoak of Military Discipline."
--- Letter from Colonel William Fleming to Col. Adam Stephen, Oct 8, 1774, pp. 237-8. (Documentary History of Dunmore's War, 1774, Wisconsin historical society, pub. (1905))


I dunno...

Read more.


No, I'm convinced.
You're wrong.

Thanks for playing, though.
 
2011-03-25 11:37:25 AM  

Regnad Kcin: thefnz1: Regnad Kcin: thefnz1:
Taking things written in that era and parsing things the way somebody who never thought about it much and was used to modern American English language usages is not going to get you a very good picture of what people spoke of at the time when the words were written.


"I am unacquainted with the extent of your works, and consequently ignorant of the number or men necessary to man them. If your present numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all means advise your making up the deficiency out of the best regulated militia that can be got."
--- George Washington (The Writings of George Washington, pp. 503-4, (G.P. Putnam & Sons, pub.)(1889))

"But Dr Sir I am Afraid it would blunt the keen edge they have at present which might be keept sharp for the Shawnese &c: I am convinced it would be Attended by considerable desertions. And perhaps raise a Spirit of Discontent not easily Queld amongst the best regulated troops, but much more so amongst men unused to the Yoak of Military Discipline."
--- Letter from Colonel William Fleming to Col. Adam Stephen, Oct 8, 1774, pp. 237-8. (Documentary History of Dunmore's War, 1774, Wisconsin historical society, pub. (1905))


I dunno...

Read more.

No, I'm convinced.
You're wrong.

Thanks for playing, though.


So George Washington wanted to have a untrained sloppy militia with broken logistics?

Go back to the library.
 
2011-03-25 11:43:32 AM  
OED

REGULATE

verb
[with object]
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly:
a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function
control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations:
the organization that regulates fishing in the region
set (a clock or other apparatus) according to an external standard.

If they had meant "well legislated" they would have used those words.

This is where you don't get to cherry pick things.
 
2011-03-25 11:44:17 AM  
All this mindless arguing about "white people are worse!" "NO brown people are worse!"
When are people, namely women, going to get it through their heads that this is a grisly, violent male problem?
Men who argue about this sort of thing buy into race for no reason other than to appear different amongst the masses of almost identical, violent, brutal males. And to have a reason to kill.
Women who buy into race are brainwashed but still do not comprise even a large minority of violent crimes.
Men are itching to fight. We're on the verge of fighting times. Let this be the last time before males all turn gay or disappear entirely.
 
2011-03-25 11:44:56 AM  
Say no to a ground zero John Deere dealership!


Some host on MSNBC (Ravi Shakur maybe but he didn't have a sitar)was talking about the white terrorists vs the muslim terrorists (I must say that this guy was brown though so he might be biased)but anyway, he claimed that there were 60 terrorist incidents perpetrated by white people (in a country with a population of 300m or so white people) and only...I repeat...ONLY, 50 some odd terroist incidents caused by Muslims (Muslims making up anywhere between 2 and 7% of the population of the US)


He told us to judge for ourselves who is more dangerous.
 
2011-03-25 11:45:18 AM  

7473r4: Hmmmm seems that men far outweigh women in violent crime, no matter what "race" they belong to. So we're going to have to watch men, period.


You should probably watch them when you're off your period too, doll.

/ducks
 
2011-03-25 11:46:52 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Movement with a history of terrorist associations is offended by us bringing it up occasionally?

Too damn bad.

//IRA, the Black Panthers, etc, get a similar lack of sympathy when they whine about us treating them like criminals.


But no mention of radical muslims in your post...wierd that you mention the IRA...maybe cause they are white and you have white guilt?
 
2011-03-25 11:47:33 AM  

7473r4: we're going to have to watch men, period.


Should I link you to my webcam? ;-)
 
2011-03-25 11:49:24 AM  

drewkumo: 7473r4: Hmmmm seems that men far outweigh women in violent crime, no matter what "race" they belong to. So we're going to have to watch men, period.

You should probably watch them when you're off your period too, doll.

/ducks


+10
 
2011-03-25 11:57:28 AM  

drewkumo: 7473r4: Hmmmm seems that men far outweigh women in violent crime, no matter what "race" they belong to. So we're going to have to watch men, period.

You should probably watch them when you're off your period too, doll.

/ducks


*hits you in the face with blood soaked tampon anyway*
Hey bud. Looks like you've got a little bloody mucous all over your face. Towels are over there.
 
2011-03-25 11:59:33 AM  

Farker T: Tatsuma: I have a problem with it too. This kind of exercise will never prepare them to adequately deal with White Supremacists in the future...

the only way for this to be truly worth their time is to round up all the neo-Nazis and Klan members, and practice with live ammo.

Folks like you have no place in a decent society.


Why don't you trot on over to Israel, where murderous xenophobia is not only acceptable, it's fashionable.


Ah, sweet irony.


Farker T:
The SPLC's agenda is the dissolution of any vestige of White solidarity in the US.

Period.


Yes, he thinks "White solidarity" is awesome, which explains his stance in this thread.

Link (new window)


There's also this:

Farker T:
1. Sneak into country
2. Shiat on floor
3. Profit


Link (new window)

Nothing says "xenophobia" like equating an immigrant birth with defecation.
 
2011-03-25 12:01:51 PM  

thefnz1: OED

REGULATE

verb
[with object]
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly:
a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function
control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations:
the organization that regulates fishing in the region
set (a clock or other apparatus) according to an external standard.

If they had meant "well legislated" they would have used those words.

This is where you don't get to cherry pick things.


So, a militia is a machine or process?

Funny that you bolded the part that kind-of supports your position while ignoring the one that contradicts it.
 
2011-03-25 12:02:23 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Farker T: Tatsuma: I have a problem with it too. This kind of exercise will never prepare them to adequately deal with White Supremacists in the future...

the only way for this to be truly worth their time is to round up all the neo-Nazis and Klan members, and practice with live ammo.

Folks like you have no place in a decent society.

Why don't you trot on over to Israel, where murderous xenophobia is not only acceptable, it's fashionable.

Ah, sweet irony.


Farker T:
The SPLC's agenda is the dissolution of any vestige of White solidarity in the US.

Period.

Yes, he thinks "White solidarity" is awesome, which explains his stance in this thread.

Link (new window)


There's also this:

Farker T:
1. Sneak into country
2. Shiat on floor
3. Profit

Link (new window)

Nothing says "xenophobia" like equating an immigrant birth with defecation.



If it wasn't hypocritical, I wish there was a way to round people like that up and stick them in cages for the rest of their natural lives. You know, like a permanent human zoo exhibit. You can take your children there and show them what evil looks like, and then teach them to be the exact opposite.
 
2011-03-25 12:02:28 PM  

7473r4: *hits you in the face with blood soaked tampon anyway*
Hey bud. Looks like you've got a little bloody mucous all over your face. Towels are over there.


Eww, endometrium. I was going to make a "yolk's on me" joke here but my need to be accurate overwhelmed me.
 
2011-03-25 12:03:26 PM  
FTFA: "Most of the people who break the law and are involved in school shootings don't quote the Constitution or love their country," Ussery said. "Most of the people who I am involved with feel that in order to fix the situation we need to change the laws and work lawfully within the system."

Most.
 
2011-03-25 12:04:36 PM  

SubBass49: Yeah...because we know that anti-immigration White folks never seek to do violence towards brown folks...

I'll just leave this here and weep a bit...


her mother was lucky to have a firearm otherwise the 3-5 assailants who broke into her home would have killed her too.


/wonder if she had a 10 round magazine
 
2011-03-25 12:09:05 PM  
I think they should do an exercise where they actually stop the Beat Whitey night at the state fair.
 
2011-03-25 12:13:01 PM  

drewkumo: 7473r4: *hits you in the face with blood soaked tampon anyway*
Hey bud. Looks like you've got a little bloody mucous all over your face. Towels are over there.

Eww, endometrium. I was going to make a "yolk's on me" joke here but my need to be accurate overwhelmed me.


lol.
 
2011-03-25 12:21:09 PM  
"We are trying to get this stopped because all it is doing is building up prejudices by calling people white supremacists and stuff like that," Halverson said. "We are mad at the government for ignoring illegal immigration, but nobody is going to run out there and start killing people in Iowa or anything like that."

So, white supremacists don't exist? No one called you a white supremacists.
 
2011-03-25 12:23:24 PM  

House of Tards: interstitialofficial: House of Tards: White knighting white supremacists. Stay classy, Fark.

Snarky emotionally appealing spin. Don't ever change, internet (planet Earth).

It's not emotionally appealing spin. It's actual posters either handwaving away white supremacists, changing the definition of white supremacists to be so narrow as to probably not include most of stormfront, or posting that every inner city in America is a war zone, despite the fact that all crime including gang related crime has been steadily declining for over 20 years.

But your offense at the unfair treatment of the white power brigade has been duly noted.


Denying spin with some spin. Keepin' it teh real.
 
2011-03-25 12:28:23 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "We are trying to get this stopped because all it is doing is building up prejudices by calling people white supremacists and stuff like that," Halverson said. "We are mad at the government for ignoring illegal immigration, but nobody is going to run out there and start killing people in Iowa or anything like that."

So, white supremacists don't exist? No one called you a white supremacists.



You gotta love the bold sentence... Especially considering some of the things that come out of these clowns' mouths regarding non-white immigrants.
 
2011-03-25 12:30:16 PM  

Muta: I'll just leave this here.


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2011-03-25 12:33:00 PM  

Lord Farkwad: Muta: I'll just leave this here.


You obviously are a hater of the upper middle class whites of America!
 
2011-03-25 12:35:09 PM  
Stereotypes of brown people - probably based on something.

Stereotypes of white supremacists - OH NO COMPLEETLY UNFAIR.
 
2011-03-25 12:36:14 PM  

thefnz1: Lord Farkwad: Muta: I'll just leave this here.

You obviously are a hater of the upper middle class sneering elitist whites of America!


You missed a couple of words.
 
2011-03-25 12:42:51 PM  

mainstreet62: thefnz1: Lord Farkwad: Muta: I'll just leave this here.

You obviously are a hater of the upper middle class sneering elitist whites of America!

You missed a couple of words.


No, I recognize your kind and I'm just here to help you.

One step at a time, baby steps, and you'll still be you, damn! This isn't gonna work, is it?

Helps me sort out the people not worth bothering to read most of the time that I don't remember from the olden days. Thanks for bringing yourself to my attention.

You are a sport.
 
2011-03-25 12:53:14 PM  

thefnz1: mainstreet62: thefnz1: Lord Farkwad: Muta: I'll just leave this here.

You obviously are a hater of the upper middle class sneering elitist whites of America!

You missed a couple of words.

No, I recognize your kind and I'm just here to help you.

One step at a time, baby steps, and you'll still be you, damn! This isn't gonna work, is it?

Helps me sort out the people not worth bothering to read most of the time that I don't remember from the olden days. Thanks for bringing yourself to my attention.

You are a sport.


Are you feeling OK? I didn't see the word "sneering" or "elitist" anywhere in your most recent post.

I sincerely hope you didn't have a brain aneurysm or something.
 
2011-03-25 12:55:47 PM  

dittybopper: cretinbob: Likely scenario is likely

OK, now name another.

I, on the other hand, can name dozens from the other side, starting with Ramzi Yusef (predating OKC), and ending with the attempted Times Square bomber.

One example does not make a trend.

Unlikely scenario is highly unlikely, because the motivations that drove McVeigh essentially don't exist anymore: Ruby Ridge and Waco were around 20 years ago, and we've been winning on the gun control side, with Heller and McDonald representing *MAJOR* wins for gun rights advocates. AWB has expired, and there isn't a major gun control initiative on the horizon.


Try telling that last bit to your average (read: retarded) white supremicist and see what kind of derp you get back.
 
2011-03-25 01:00:33 PM  
thefnz1: Helps me sort out the people not worth bothering to read

Smugly elitist sneerer.
 
2011-03-25 01:03:18 PM  

El Dudereno: dittybopper: cretinbob: Likely scenario is likely

OK, now name another.

I, on the other hand, can name dozens from the other side, starting with Ramzi Yusef (predating OKC), and ending with the attempted Times Square bomber.

One example does not make a trend.

Unlikely scenario is highly unlikely, because the motivations that drove McVeigh essentially don't exist anymore: Ruby Ridge and Waco were around 20 years ago, and we've been winning on the gun control side, with Heller and McDonald representing *MAJOR* wins for gun rights advocates. AWB has expired, and there isn't a major gun control initiative on the horizon.

Try telling that last bit to your average (read: retarded) white supremicist and see what kind of derp you get back.


He said "derp"!
 
2011-03-25 01:03:55 PM  
thefnz1: I recognize your kind and I'm just here to help you.

More elitist sneering smugness.
 
2011-03-25 01:06:24 PM  
Sneering derpbag elite smugness detected.
 
2011-03-25 01:08:21 PM  

mainstreet62: Sneering derpbag elite smugness detected.


www.troycitydesign.com

"Ayyyyyyyyyy, you rang?"
 
2011-03-25 01:09:52 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: thefnz1: Helps me sort out the people not worth bothering to read

Smugly elitist sneerer.


Hm. Wonder why "the elite" are always trying to protect the rights of the poor and impoverished. You know, against cutting Planned Parenthood, welfare, food stamps, medicaid...

Gosh. What a puzzler. I'm gonna go pray on that.

/smug does not equal 'wrong'
// smeg!
 
2011-03-25 01:12:16 PM  
I propose that should anything of any negative consequence ever happen in Iowa, that the entire site be nuked from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.
i697.photobucket.com
/hot
//who'd miss it?
 
2011-03-25 01:21:21 PM  
Yet blacks continue murdering each other by the tens of thousands each year and everyone looks the other way.
 
2011-03-25 01:21:56 PM  

rynthetyn: True story: There was a history professor at my alma mater who at some point while working on her PhD went to the church that's very connected to the League of the South. Presumably, this was before the League of the South ended up on the SPLC's hate group list when they stuck to romanticizing the South and holding a big "southern ball" every year, where everybody would dress up in period garb and pretend they were wealthy southern plantation owners. Anyway, this professor, who is African-American, was told that if she and her husband wanted to participate in the ball, they'd have to dress up as slaves, "to be historically accurate."

Yep, they told a highly educated academic that she couldn't come to their event dressed as anything other than a slave. And this would have been late '90s/early '00s


He should have taken them up on the offer, and come as Nat Turner.
 
2011-03-25 01:22:32 PM  

thefnz1: luckyeddie: ib_thinkin: Wasn't there a foiled white supremacist plot just a month ago or so in Idaho?

Are you guys really saying that it's unrealistic?

I think the reason there are so many 'foiled white supremacist plots' is probably because the thick farkers aren't as supreme as they think they are.

The really stupid ones post on Fark.

Let the leftist / sky is falling / "Oh no, white supremacists...BLAH BLAH BLAH" regular fark circle jerk begin?


what part of "all threats, foreign and domestic" don't you understand? it's not their job to just worry about the people YOU think are scary. it's their job to worry about all the people who MIGHT be scary.

and white supremacists have killed far more civilians in america than islamists have.

oh.. and most white supremacists are also chistianists.. but you'll never admit that..
because "they" are UTTERLY DIFFERENT from you, there is no way in which you're similar.

grow the fark up your little frightened reich-wing pisspants.
 
2011-03-25 01:24:56 PM  

Molavian: Yet blacks continue murdering each other by the tens of thousands each year and everyone looks the other way.


Yet trolls continue making tens of thousands of posts every year...
 
2011-03-25 01:27:19 PM  

Thrag: rynthetyn: True story: There was a history professor at my alma mater who at some point while working on her PhD went to the church that's very connected to the League of the South. Presumably, this was before the League of the South ended up on the SPLC's hate group list when they stuck to romanticizing the South and holding a big "southern ball" every year, where everybody would dress up in period garb and pretend they were wealthy southern plantation owners. Anyway, this professor, who is African-American, was told that if she and her husband wanted to participate in the ball, they'd have to dress up as slaves, "to be historically accurate."

Yep, they told a highly educated academic that she couldn't come to their event dressed as anything other than a slave. And this would have been late '90s/early '00s

He should have taken them up on the offer, and come as Nat Turner.


Screw that, they should have gotten someone to go with them.

Dressed up as Sherman.
 
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