August 14, 2010-Former Arizona sheriff Richard Mack-who gained fame in anti-government circles by joining a mid-1990s lawsuit against the federal government over the Brady Bill requirement that state law enforcement agencies conduct background checks on gun purchasers-tells those in attendance at the American Policy Center's 2010 Freedom Action Natonal Conference, "My dear friends, I pray for the day that the first sheriff in this country is the one to fire the shot heard 'round the world and take out some IRS agents!"

August 17, 2010-Patrick Gray Sharp, 29, opens fire on the Department of Public Safety in McKinney, Texas, and unsuccessfully attempts to ignite gasoline and ammonium nitrate in a trailer hitched to his truck. Sharp is armed with an assault rifle, a .45-caliber semiautomatic pistol, and a 12-gauge shotgun. He is killed after an exchange of gunfire with police arriving on the scene. Miraculously, no one else is hurt. Sharp's roommate, Eric McClellan describes him as "a great guy" and states, "We're Texans. We have a right to bear arms."

August 19, 2010-Josiah Fornof, 30, of Pasco County, Florida, is arrested after threatening to "bear arms against" local law enforcement officers who were trying to serve him with a warrant. Authorities recover a letter that Fornof had tried to serve the deputies with, which reads, "I have the right to bear arms against such unlawful entities, up to and including the President of the United States, that are coming against me unlawfully, lethally, and genocidally."

August 23, 2010-Thomas Pidgeon is arrested after he attempts to bring a fully loaded .45-caliber handgun into a Cook County courthouse. Pidegon was supposed to attend a foreclosure hearing that day. His home was to be sold to a lender in North Carolina after New York-based BNY Mellon filed an action against him in the county.

September 1, 2010-James Jay Lee, 43, takes hostages at the Discovery Communications building in Silver Spring, Maryland, while armed with two starter pistols and four improvised explosived devices. After pointing a gun at one of the hostages, he is shot and killed by police. Lee, a radical environmental activist, had previously issued 11 demands through a webpage that Discovery was to meet "immediately." The demands involved the content of programming on the Discovery Channel. Lee had also declared on his MySpace page, "It's time for REVOLUTION!!!"

September 13, 2010-Police stop Richard Scott McLeod, 48, for a traffic violation in Webberville, Michigan, and upon searching his vehicle, discover bumper stickers quoting Adolf Hitler, a picture of President Barack Obama, a loaded handgun, a bullet-proof vest, and bomb-making materials. McLeod is arrested and charged with illegally carrying a concealed weapon and unlawful possession of body armor. McLeod tells officers that he is a member of the Michigan Militia. The group denies any relationship with McLeod

September 16, 2010-Patricia Stoneking, the President of the Kansas State Rifle Association, tells Fox News, "People need to arm themselves, We have the right to put limits on our government, and that's what [the Second Amendment] does." Explaining why America's Founding Fathers drafted the amendment, she says, "They knew government could become tyrannical. We have the right to defend ourselves from a rogue government."

September 17, 2010-Victor Dewyane White, 55, opens fire on an oil company employee and two police officers after they go to his property to inspect an oil well to which the company owned rights. White, a member of the secessionist group Republic of Texas, wounds all three men as they retreat to safety. A 22-hour siege follows in which White periodically fires on law enforcement helicopters and officers from a fortified bunker before being arrested and taken into custody. White had a running feud with the county sheriff and told him "he was going to put a bullet in [his] head between [his] eyes."

September 30, 2010-Kevin Terrell, a self-described "colonel" who founded a group of "freedom fighters" in Kentucky, predicts war with "the jackbooted thugs" of Washington within a year. Referring to the arrest of Hutaree militia members earlier in the year, Terrell says, "There was a lot of citizens out there in the bushes, locked and loaded. It's only due to miracles I do not understand that civil war did not break out right there."

September 30, 2010-Steve Kendley, a deputy sheriff running for sheriff in Lake County, Montana, threatens "a violent conflict" with federal agents if "they are doing something I believe is unconstitutional."

October 15, 2010-Conservative radio show host Glenn Beck lays out a hypothetical scenario on the air where the government is considering taking his children because he refused to have them receive a mandatory flu vaccine. Beck tells his audience that his response to the government would be "Meet Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson."

October 21, 2010-Pastor Stephen Broden, the Republican candidate for U.S. Representative in Texas' 30th Congressional District, tells WFAA-TV in Dallas that the violent overthrow of the government is an "option" that remains "on the table." "Our nation was founded on violence," states Broden. "I don't think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms."

October 22, 2010-Texas Department of Corrections officers searching for a missing person, Gill Clements, 69, are confronted by a neighbor while on Clements' property in Henderson County. Howard Tod Granger, 46, points an AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle at one of the officers, who recalls, "He told us to get off the property or he would kill us all." Later that afternoon, officers return to Granger's home with a search warrant and an armored vehicle filled with 13 SWAT members. Granger opens fire on the vehicle, discharging at least 30 rounds before authorities shoot and kill him. Police find guns and "many rounds of ammunition" in Granger's house. They also find the body of Clements, buried in a shallow grave on Granger's property.

November 2, 2010-On Election Night, supporters of Republican congressional candidate Nick Popaditch shout down and physically confront Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA) and his staff as they exit Golden Hall in San Diego following the announcment of Filner's victory in the race. "You're a damn liar. You should be ashamed of yourself," Popaditch tells Filner, leading the mob. Other Popaditch supporters yell "You're a scumbag!" "Jew!" and "Don't tread on me, Bob!" Another Popaditch supporter punches a Filner campaign staffer in the face.

November 3, 2010-James Patock, 66, of Pima County, Arizona, is arrested on the National Mall in the District of Columbia after law enforcement authorities find a .223 caliber rifle, a .243 caliber rifle barrel, a .22 caliber rifle, a .357 caliber pistol, several boxes of ammunition, and propane tanks wired to four car batteries in his truck and trailer. Patock former neighbor in Arizona reported that, "He hated the president. He hated everything. He said if he got a chance he would shoot the president." Patock tells authorities he is a member of the National Rifle Association.

November 4, 2010-On his radio show, conservative host Glenn Beck fantasizes about President Obama being decapitated during a trip to India, saying, "If anybody thinks he was a Muslim over here, well God forbid, they think he was a Muslim over there because he left his religion for Christianity, death sentence, behead him." Beck then tells his listeners that "God forbid" this should happen, as there would be a "New World Order" overnight in the United States.

November 4, 2010-Fox News host Bill O'Reilly fantasizes about killing a Washington Post reporter while on the air, saying, "Does sharia law say we can behead Dana Milbank?" O'Reilly also tells co-host Megyn Kelly, "I think you and I should go and beat him up."

November 9, 2010-U.S. Representative-Elect Allen West of Florida's 22nd Congressional District hires conservative radio talk show host Joyce Kaufman as his Chief of Staff. On July 3, Kaufman told a crowd of Tea Party supporters, "I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendments rights was they gave me a Second Amendment. And if ballots don't work, bullets will."

November 9, 2010-Concealed handgun permit holder George Thomas Lee, 69, of Walhalla, South Carolina, is arrested on the town's main street for disseminating and promoting obscenity by bearing signs "laden with expletives and taking aim at U.S. foreign policy, President Barack Obama, blacks in general, Jews and the nation of Israel." Officers also seize literature from Lee that details "the most expedient means of killing law enforcement officers." The November 9 arrest follows an October 19 arrest for assault after Lee kicked and swung his signs at a group of girls between the ages of 12 and 14.

November 10, 2010-Public schools in Broward County, Florida, go into lockdown after an email threat is received by WFTL 850 AM. The email is sent to conservative radio host Joyce Kaufman in response to remarks she made at a Tea Party event in July ("If ballots don't work, bullets will"). The email expresses support for her view of the Second Amendment and says that to further "their cause...something big will happen at a government building in Broward County, maybe a post office maybe even a school." A phone call is then received at the station, allegedly from the emailer's wife, warning that he is preparing to go to a Pembroke Pines school and open fire.

November 23, 2010-Larry Pratt, the Executive Director of Gun Owners of America, writes an editorial in The Register Citizen in which he calls for state and county sheriffs to organize large, armed "posses" as "a check on the unconstitutional exercise of federal power."

November 29, 2010-U.S. Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX), the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, circulates a PowerPoint presentation to his colleagues in which he compares the Obama administration to the Nazi regime in Germany and likens himself to Gen. George Patton, bragging, "Put anything in my scope and I will shoot it."

December 3, 2010-At "Roe & Roeper's Miracle on Indianapolis Blvd. Holiday Extravaganza" promoting "Toys 4 Tots" in Chicago, Illinois, actor R. Lee Emery (famous for his depiction of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in "Full Metal Jacket") tells those in attendance, "The economy really sucks. Now I hate to point fingers at anybody, but the present administration probably has a lot to do with that. And the way I see it, they're not gonna quit doing it until they bring this country to its knees. So I think we should all rise up and we should stop this administration from what they're doing because they're destroying this country. They're driving us into bankruptcy so that they can impose socialism on us."

December 31, 2010-An anonymous threat is posted in the "Rants and Raves" section of the Anchorage Craigslist against Andree McLeod, a citizen activist who has requested-under Alaska's Open Records Act-work-related emails that Sarah Palin sent and received while governor of the state. The threat states, "I think Andre has used up to much oxygen. So I have my scope cross hair on her head! She better watch out, the request may have been her last." The Anchorage Police trace the message to the AOL account of an Anchorage woman in her 50s, but neglect to verify if she is the one who is responsible for it.

January 6, 2011-John Troy Davis, 44, is arrested after threatening to set fire to the office of Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO) and shoot members of his staff. The threat comes when Davis calls Bennet's office to complain about his Social Security benefits, telling a staffer that he is schizophrenic and "may go to terrorism." "I'm just going to come down there and shoot you all," he declares. Davis is charged with assault on a federal employee.

January 8, 2011-Jared Lee Loughner, 22, shoots U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) and 19 others at a "Congress in Your Corner" event at a Safeway supermarket in Tucson, Arizona. He kills six, including federal judge John Roll, and wounds 14, including Giffords, who is shot in the head. Loughner has an extensive history of mental illness and substance abuse, yet is able to purchase two handguns and a high-capacity ammunition magazine legally at Sportsman's Warehouse on November 30, 2010. In a YouTube video posted in December 2010, Loughner states, "You don't have to accept the federalist laws ... Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws."

January 8, 2011-Fearing violence from tea party activists, Arizona Legislative District 20 Republican Chairman Anthony Miller, Secretary Sophia Johnson, First Vice Chairman Roger Dickinson, and former district spokesman Jeff Kolb resign from their positions. "I don't want to take a bullet for anyone," says Miller, who cites verbal attacks and threatening blog posts from tea party members upset with the fact that he is a former campaign worker for U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). Miller also reports an incident in which a detractor made his hand into the shape of a gun and pointed it at him.

January 12, 2011-Charles Turner Habermann, 32, is arrested and charged with threatening a federal official after leaving a series of disturbing voicemails for U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) on December 9, 2010. Habermann, enraged by comments that McDermott made opposing tax cuts for the rich, says, "Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, or George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, if any of them had ever met Jim McDermott they would all blow his brains out. They'd shoot him in the head. They'd kill him, because he's a piece of disgusting garbage." Habermann tells McDermott's staff, "You let that [expletive] scumbag know, that if he ever [expletive] with my money, ever the [expletive] again, I'll [expletive] kill him, okay. I'll round them up, I'll kill them, I'll kill his friends, I'll kill his family, I will kill everybody he [expletive] knows."

January 12, 2011-After a report by the Columbia Free Times, Palmetto State Armory removes an advertisement from its website for a personalized assault rifle accessory. "Palmetto State Armory would like to honor our esteemed congressman Joe Wilson with the release of our new 'You Lie' AR-15 lower receiver," the ad reads. A picture of Wilson holding a rifle and standing in the company's gun shop appears on the same webpage. The ad refers to an incident in September 2009 when Wilson disrupted a speech by President Barack Obama in the U.S. Capitol and claimed that impending health care reform legislation would not provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.

January 22, 2011-Writing on his blog "Red State," CNN commentator Erick Erickson states, "We will not endorse any candidate who will not reject the judicial usurpation of Roe v. Wade and affirm that the unborn are no less entitled to a right to live simply because of their size or their physical location ... The reason for this is simple: once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed. We remain steadfast in our belief that this will not be necessary again, but only if those committed to justice do not waiver or compromise, and send a clear and unmistakable signal to their elected officials of what must be necessary to earn our support."

January 24, 2011-The National Rifle Association (NRA) posts an editorial from the Washington Examiner on its website entitled "Second Amendment is Insurance Against Government Tyranny." The piece states, "Gun control legislation is back after the Tucson tragedy. Congress must confront the reality that the courts have declared two reasons for the Second Amendment right to bear arms. One is self defense, and the other-whether you like it or not-is enabling the American people to resist tyranny."

January 25, 2011-Former U.S. Representative Jay Dickey (R-AR), who introduced a National Rifle Association-drafted amendment that stripped $2.6 million from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) budget for firearms-related research in 1996, tells the New York Times that he did so because, "We have the right to bear arms because of the threat of government taking over the freedoms that we have."

January 27, 2011-The New American publishes an article entitled "Arizona Shooting & the Assault on Rights" which states: "The ready availability of guns is no more responsible for this or any other such massacre than an all-you-can-eat buffet is responsible for obesity ... More to the point is the fact that the government of the United States is a creation of the people of the United States in whom resides the natural right of sovereignty. An integral and unalienable element of that absolute right is the right of self-defense. It is logically impossible that a creature can proscribe the rights of the creator. It is for this reason that defenders of the right to bear arms need neither compromise nor capitulate to those committed to eroding that right."

February 4, 2011-Montana Rep. Wendy Warburton (R-Havre) introduces legislation to allow state residents to organize armed units called "home guards" that would answer to the governor and sheriffs during emergenices. These paramilitary groups would be formed into "infantry companies" with their own uniforms, flags, and identities, and would not be subject to federal oversight or control. In commenting on the legislation, Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association says, "The question here is where that slider is located on that range between anarchy and tyranny. We'd like to nudge it back a little toward anarchy."

February 5, 2011-During a speech at a Cullman County Republican Party breakfast, Alabama Sen. Scott Beason (R-Gardendale) rails against illegal immigrants and "big government" Democrats and calls on Republicans to "empty the clip, and do what has to be done."

February 6, 2011-The Minnesota Republican Party mails out a campaign brochure for state legislative candidate Paul Jacobson that depicts a hunter looking down a shotgun's sights while urging voters to "take your best shot." The brochure singles out and criticizes Jacobson's opponent in the race, Democrat Carly Melin, calling her a "fake" and stating her campaign is "full of holes." Her photo is included in the brochure.

February 22, 2011-A participant at a town hall meeting hosted by U.S. Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) asks the Congressman, "Who is going to shoot Obama?" After a great deal of laughter, another man in the audience states, "We all want to." There is more laughter. After the laughter dies down, Rep. Broun then responds, "Next question." There is more laughter. The Congressman offers no additional comments on the question.

February 23, 2011-The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) reports that the number of hate groups in the United States has topped 1,000 for the first time since SPLC began counting such groups in the 1980s. According to the report: "By far the most dramatic growth came in the antigovernment "Patriot" movement-conspiracy-minded organizations that see the federal government as their primary enemy-which gained more than 300 new groups [in 2010], a jump of over 60%."

March 1, 2011-Texas Woman's University is locked down after a 30-year-old student, Christopher Alan Gillette, makes a "terroristic threat" concerning personal grievances with the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). The lockdown occurs after Gillette talks about riding through the streets of Washington, D.C. in a pick-up truck with an AK-47 assault rifle during a history and government class. Denton Police Department officers detain and arrest Gillette soon after in the parking lot of a VA facility in Dallas. A undated letter that Gillette wrote to U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Lewisville) is released in which Gillette announced, "I will begin preparations to begin offensive combat preparations against the federal government." In the letter, Gillette also embraced a conspiracy theory promoted by the National Rifle Association (NRA) about the mass confiscation of private firearms in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.

March 10, 2011-Schaeffer Cox, the 26-year-old leader of the Second Amendment Task Force and the Alaska Peacemakers Militia is arrested along with four of his followers and charged with conspiracy to commit murder, kidnapping, and arson. The group had stockpiled firearms and munitions and was planning to kill multiple Alaska State Troopers and a federal judge. Cox had previously made overt threats against the government, bragging, "We've got them outmanned and outgunned." He claimed he told one judge, "I don't want to put my influence to the test while the lives of you and your children are on the line." Cox believed the U.S. government was "sliding into tyranny, a police state."

Of course they have a problem with it being just a drill.

JonnyBGoode: Headline fail. The Minutemen et. al. are not "white supremacists."

Tehy is Reeel Mare-kins

keylock71: Fair enough, though it's not unlikely at all that a white supremacist group would carry out the same type of bullshiat in the name of race... and they've made many references to the incidents you've listed in their own literature. The Turner Diaries is quite racist and hailed by many white supremacists as a "field manual".

I think the problem is that like most of us, you see "The Turner Diaries" as a racist polemic, which it is, but when you relate it to McVeigh, you have to look at it within the proper context: His reading "The Turner Diaries" informs us as to his means of committing his crime, not his motivation for committing it in the first place.

In fact, McVeigh is on record as saying that had "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross been available *BEFORE* he committed the bombing (it was published in 1996), he probably would have followed that as a template instead. In UC, the protagonists assassinate ATF agents and selected anti-gun politicians instead of bombing a federal building.

I think that McVeigh liking The Turner Diaries is a potential trap for people who see that and automatically think the motivation was racist. It wasn't. His motivation was strictly related to gun control, how he felt the government was treating gun owners, and revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge.

I find the mere existence of white supremecist nativist groups in North America a bit bemusing.

One dreams of the day they can awake with absolute historical persepective, realize their own hyporcrisy, pick themselves by the collar, and throw themselves back over to Scandinavia and Europe.

SharkTrager: et's be honest. The scenario was set up to use a group they knew thought they could get away with offending.

impaler: use a group they knew thought they

Damn it

Wendy's Chili, you are going to have to do better than to cut and paste from an obviously biased source like the Coalition to Prevent Gun Ownership.

For instance, they add in Jared Lee Loughner:

January 8, 2011-Jared Lee Loughner, 22, shoots U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) and 19 others at a "Congress in Your Corner" event at a Safeway supermarket in Tucson, Arizona. He kills six, including federal judge John Roll, and wounds 14, including Giffords, who is shot in the head. Loughner has an extensive history of mental illness and substance abuse, yet is able to purchase two handguns and a high-capacity ammunition magazine legally at Sportsman's Warehouse on November 30, 2010. In a YouTube video posted in December 2010, Loughner states, "You don't have to accept the federalist laws ... Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws."

when it's well known that his motivation wasn't racial, nor insurrectionist, but because he had an obsession with Giffords, and to the extent that he had a political ideology, it was more to the left than the right. If he was to the right, then shooting Giffords would be exceptionally stupid because she is a blue dog Democrat.

I don't have the time to research every last one of those things you copypasta'd, but given the source and the fact that at least one of them is way off base, I'm pretty confident that I can ignore the rest.

Oh, and while you're slobbing on Josh's knob, tell him I said "Hi".

dittybopper: keylock71: Fair enough, though it's not unlikely at all that a white supremacist group would carry out the same type of bullshiat in the name of race... and they've made many references to the incidents you've listed in their own literature. The Turner Diaries is quite racist and hailed by many white supremacists as a "field manual".

I think the problem is that like most of us, you see "The Turner Diaries" as a racist polemic, which it is, but when you relate it to McVeigh, you have to look at it within the proper context: His reading "The Turner Diaries" informs us as to his means of committing his crime, not his motivation for committing it in the first place.

In fact, McVeigh is on record as saying that had "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross been available *BEFORE* he committed the bombing (it was published in 1996), he probably would have followed that as a template instead. In UC, the protagonists assassinate ATF agents and selected anti-gun politicians instead of bombing a federal building.

I think that McVeigh liking The Turner Diaries is a potential trap for people who see that and automatically think the motivation was racist. It wasn't. His motivation was strictly related to gun control, how he felt the government was treating gun owners, and revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge.

That's all well and good, but McVeigh's been taking a dirt nap for a while now.

I'm saying it isn't unlikely at all that a white supremacist group would carry out the same kind of attack using the same reference material. Therefor, it's not some flight of fancy to prepare for such an incident, particularly in an area where there are quite a few white power or separatist groups operating.

I wonder if there are any white supremecists who happen to also be molecular biologists?

Well, yeah, ignoring the reliance on the primal brain for judgement instead of rational thought, hear me out...

I wonder due to the simple fact that every single person on this planet is the descendant of peoples who would be described as "North African" racially.

/mitochondria, biatches

Craig Halverson of Griswold
Robert Ussery of Des Moines

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

thefnz1: Either way, I don't think you thought about this as much as you think you did. No offense, considering your gig here and all...

A group that patrols the borders to prevent people from entering is not nativist?

Um, it's kind of the definition.

I don't get offended by people disagreeing with me or even just plain thinking me an idiot. My "gig" here is being a whipping boy, so glad to have been of service. It's the got damn interwebby.

Peace and best wishes. Stay foxy and all that jazz.

fracto73: ib_thinkin: fracto73: keylock71: SubBass49: Yeah...because we know that anti-immigration White folks never seek to do violence towards brown folks...

I'll just leave this here and weep a bit...

Don't know if I really want to know... but what's the story behind that?


Some minute men shot up a family that they mistakenly thought were drug dealers, and killed their 9 year old girl, so that they could take their money to fund more violence against latinos.

In fairness to the Minutemen organization, NPR reported that these guys were shunned by most Minutemen.

They went after the family not only because they thought the family was a group of evil, drug-selling Mexicans, but also because they wanted to take the drugs and sell them to get money to fight other evil, drug-selling Mexicans.

The irony was lost to them.

/dontcha think?


They say that they oppose action like Forde's. I don't see the shunning before the incident, do you have a link?

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Heard it in a podcast, so I don't. Some searching got me to a link to the NYT on an NPR story. Might have been an interview with the author or something.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/us/11minutemen.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

At least the government is preparing for the shiat hitting the fan. It took long enough for people to get it. There will be a lot of people getting out of the cities. Mostly not white. There will be some racial tension to deal with.

Des Moines is not Brooklyn.

No, Brooklyn is Brooklyn. (new window)indylaw:

dittybopper: when it's well known that his motivation wasn't racial, nor insurrectionist, but because he had an obsession with Giffords, and to the extent that he had a political ideology, it was more to the left than the right.

Why? Because Fox News found a chick who went to the same high school willing to say that?

I don't have the time to research every last one of those things you copypasta'd, but given the source and the fact that at least one of them is way off base, I'm pretty confident that I can ignore the rest.

So you found one incident in a list of, I dunno, a hundred or so, and discounted it for debatable reasons, so the rest don't count. Gotcha.

Oh, and while you're slobbing on Josh's knob, tell him I said "Hi".

I don't know who Josh is, but I wish I could converse with you rightwingers without something being "shoved down throats", somebody "bending over", "ankle-grabbing", or "knob-slobbing". Keep that shiat in the airport men's room where it belongs.

Eponymous: my arguments more compelling

What happened on Jesus's 33rd birthday?

Er, 33rd pre-birthday?

rynthetyn: omeganuepsilon: But when it's a "fake" neighbor, who's description and motives(atleast on the surface) are strikingly similar to an actual neighbor.

A southern state's plan for a historical reinactment...

OK, now all the black people go stand over there and pretend to pick fake cotton. All the white people stand around, occassionally use your fake whip, or fake rape a one of the people picking fake cotton. Rehearse plenty, we do it for real tomorrow *chuckles*

I'm sure any hostorical society would positively SWELL with funding after that reinactment....IF they could get a single willing particpant.


Yeah, there are just some idea's better never committed to paper.

True story: There was a history professor at my alma mater who at some point while working on her PhD went to the church that's very connected to the League of the South. Presumably, this was before the League of the South ended up on the SPLC's hate group list when they stuck to romanticizing the South and holding a big "southern ball" every year, where everybody would dress up in period garb and pretend they were wealthy southern plantation owners. Anyway, this professor, who is African-American, was told that if she and her husband wanted to participate in the ball, they'd have to dress up as slaves, "to be historically accurate."

Yep, they told a highly educated academic that she couldn't come to their event dressed as anything other than a slave. And this would have been late '90s/early '00s

DarnoKonrad: dittybopper: His motivation was strictly related to gun control

Then why didn't he bother to put a license plate on his car? I think you're going through a lot of trouble to ignore the commonalities and membership overlap there is within white identity, christian identity, nationalist, and militia movements.

Because he wanted to get caught.

If he didn't get caught, no one would know the motivation for the bombing. He didn't want to get caught by federal law enforcement, and probably would have gone down shooting if he had been stopped by the FBI (who he blamed for Ruby Ridge and Waco). The FBI doesn't enforce traffic laws, however. He was driving a car without a license plate, despite the fact that he could have put one on the car, even if it was a stolen plate. He had the opportunity to do so. He was carrying a gun on his person, even though he knew it was illegal for him to do so in Oklahoma.

McVeigh didn't have a problem with state laws about licensing vehicles. To say that he didn't have a license plate on his car shows that he thought of himself as some kind of "sovereign citizen" is ludicrous. He willingly submitted to Trooper Hanger's authority when he could have just shot him and kept on going, and because there wasn't a plate on his vehicle, there would have been zero evidence that could have been used to track him down.

Also, think about all the stuff he had on him when he was caught, all pointing to his motivation for the bombing. None of it was racially based. Even the photocopied excerpt from The Turner Diaries was about bombing an FBI building.

Again, I'm not arguing that McVeigh wasn't bigoted, just that it wasn't part of his motivation for the bombing. Gun control and what he perceived as over-reaching by the Federal Government were his motivations, but it was mainly revenge for Ruby Ridge and Waco.

*The only thing that might be tangentially racially based is the the quote on the front of his t-shirt, "sic semper tyrannus", which was yelled by John Wilkes Booth when he assassinated Lincoln, but the other side has the Jefferson quote about refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants, so that's really a wash.