Would not have mattered.
An A10 Warthog could take them out easily enough.

But that ruins our time honored tradition of selling weapons and then later using the possession of those weapons as a rationale for war. I thought these people were patriots.

Refurbed troop carriers? What's the RMA policy?

HotWingConspiracy: But that ruins our time honored tradition of selling weapons and then later using the possession of those weapons as a rationale for war. I thought these people were patriots.

*sign*

What does it take to get you losers to support overthrowing mass murdering fark heads? It's not Bush this time! Time to be more objective and less adolescent. You're embarrassing us. Again.

Another impeachment charge it is...

apeiron242: *sign*

Was it the bloods or the crips... or maybe the L for Loser... The V for victory... suspense is killing me I have to know...


Garet Garrett: Refurbed troop carriers? What's the RMA policy?

All sales are final and all damage was done by their freight forwarder while in transit.

We should have elected McCain. (new window)

I guess those Congressional watchdogs were sleeping while Bush was president.

"By comparison, the U.S. peak was $46 million in approved defense sales in the final year of the Bush administration in 2008 - up from $5 million in Libyan defense sales the year before. The $46 million included $1 million in explosives and incendiary agents, and Toner said the State Department approved shipments of blasting cartridges used in oil exploration. Other U.S. officials cited concerns that such explosive agents could be converted to crude battlefield munitions."

But yeah, Obama is just like Hitler. farking hypocrites.

Let the market decide.

FTFA:

"Earlier last week, after all military exports to the Gadhafi regime were suspended, the State Department's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls informed Capitol Hill that the deal had been returned without action"

Am I reading this the wrong way, or does that say that the "Obama Administration" told Congress the deal was off, and not the other way around?

In addition to the no-fly zone, we simply declare a 'no refurbished troop carrier' zone.
Stop making war so complicated.

Well it's not like he did something really dumb like sell nuclear secrets for mangoes.

Poison Appleseeds: We should have elected McCain. (new window)

From the link:

John McCain met with Libya's leader yesterday to discuss the possible delivery of nonlethal defense equipment

THAT BASTARD! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/wasn't outraged at Obama either.

dave2198: FTFA:

"Earlier last week, after all military exports to the Gadhafi regime were suspended, the State Department's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls informed Capitol Hill that the deal had been returned without action"

Am I reading this the wrong way, or does that say that the "Obama Administration" told Congress the deal was off, and not the other way around?

Yes, but it was Congress who apparently requested the deal be stopped in the first place.

That being said, who do they mean when they say "Congress"? Did multiple representatives write a letter? Was it a committee recommendation? Who was it?

apeiron242: HotWingConspiracy: But that ruins our time honored tradition of selling weapons and then later using the possession of those weapons as a rationale for war. I thought these people were patriots.

*sign*

What does it take to get you losers to support overthrowing mass murdering fark heads? It's not Bush this time! Time to be more objective and less adolescent. You're embarrassing us. Again.

I don't have any issue with what is going on over there. The mission could be defined a bit better, I suppose.

I do have an issue with us selling so many goddamned weapons in the first place.

Remember, when Bush sells weapons to Gaddafi, it's bad. When Obama wants to do it, just ignore it entirely.

The Libyan air force is done. And what's the plan to finish the mission and prevent government violence against civilians? There is NO WAY to accomplish the mission of stopping violence against civilians by the Gaddafi government without having people on the ground who will neutralize the violence-causers.

The UNSC Resolution does not say "no forces on the ground", it says "no foreign occupation forces". That means that the troops used to get rid of security/army forces (or prevent them from using violence) can be used, as it wouldn't be an occupation force until they control the government or a part of it.

Obama has no idea what to do about Libya. Robert Gates is ridiculous, constantly contradicting other parts of the administration to undermine things. Why Gates, a failed part of the Bush administration, was kept on in this role, is a mystery. Obama is trying to dump this on the lap of NATO but NATO won't do anything because their members are more sheepish on this mission than the US and UN.

Gaddafi has been the same when he was an American enemy and when he was an American ally, and it's a reflection of stupidity on the American officials that they fell for his scam in 2003.

In six days since the approval of the No Fly Zone, the rebels haven't regained any ground. They're pretty much sputtered out. Although unofficially, all the rebels count as civilians as the US government continues to recognize Gaddafi as the legitimate ruler of Libya instead of the TNC.

The UNSC Resolution pretty much makes it impossible for Gaddafi to comply and stay in power, because if he stopped imprisoning/shooting civilians, they'd protest and force him from power.

Although this isn't a "regime change" event to the Wimp Obama. He won't use that word but if Gaddafi goes, his regime falls, and that has to be the mission, to remove his regime.

You can't fulfill the resolution without removing the regime.

DogBlack: Would not have mattered.
An A10 Warthog could take them out easily enough.

Used M113s could be taken out by just about anything.

Hender: dave2198: FTFA:

"Earlier last week, after all military exports to the Gadhafi regime were suspended, the State Department's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls informed Capitol Hill that the deal had been returned without action"

Am I reading this the wrong way, or does that say that the "Obama Administration" told Congress the deal was off, and not the other way around?

Yes, but it was Congress who apparently requested the deal be stopped in the first place.

That being said, who do they mean when they say "Congress"? Did multiple representatives write a letter? Was it a committee recommendation? Who was it?

We'll never know, due to our country's uber-professional journalists.

No wonder Obama was waffling on Libya. He wanted to pal around with dictators. Rev. Wright taught him well.

McCainDemocrat: Remember, when Bush sells weapons to Gaddafi, it's bad. When Obama wants to do it, just ignore it entirely.

The Libyan air force is done. And what's the plan to finish the mission and prevent government violence against civilians? There is NO WAY to accomplish the mission of stopping violence against civilians by the Gaddafi government without having people on the ground who will neutralize the violence-causers.

The UNSC Resolution does not say "no forces on the ground", it says "no foreign occupation forces". That means that the troops used to get rid of security/army forces (or prevent them from using violence) can be used, as it wouldn't be an occupation force until they control the government or a part of it.

Obama has no idea what to do about Libya. Robert Gates is ridiculous, constantly contradicting other parts of the administration to undermine things. Why Gates, a failed part of the Bush administration, was kept on in this role, is a mystery. Obama is trying to dump this on the lap of NATO but NATO won't do anything because their members are more sheepish on this mission than the US and UN.

Gaddafi has been the same when he was an American enemy and when he was an American ally, and it's a reflection of stupidity on the American officials that they fell for his scam in 2003.

In six days since the approval of the No Fly Zone, the rebels haven't regained any ground. They're pretty much sputtered out. Although unofficially, all the rebels count as civilians as the US government continues to recognize Gaddafi as the legitimate ruler of Libya instead of the TNC.

The UNSC Resolution pretty much makes it impossible for Gaddafi to comply and stay in power, because if he stopped imprisoning/shooting civilians, they'd protest and force him from power.

Although this isn't a "regime change" event to the Wimp Obama. He won't use that word but if Gaddafi goes, his regime falls, and that has to be the mission, to remove his regime.

You can't fulfill the resolution without removing the regime.
The U.S, sending in troops and occupying a third Middle Eastern country is a terrible idea and you know it.

Car_Ramrod: Hender: dave2198: FTFA:

"Earlier last week, after all military exports to the Gadhafi regime were suspended, the State Department's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls informed Capitol Hill that the deal had been returned without action"

Am I reading this the wrong way, or does that say that the "Obama Administration" told Congress the deal was off, and not the other way around?

Yes, but it was Congress who apparently requested the deal be stopped in the first place.

That being said, who do they mean when they say "Congress"? Did multiple representatives write a letter? Was it a committee recommendation? Who was it?

"Instead, the transaction ran headlong into congressional worries about the Gadhafi regime's plans for the armored vehicles. The concerns came from both the Senate and House foreign relations committees, officials said."

That's my guess. They don't need to talk to all 535 people, just the ones in charge of this stuff.

I missed that line that's what I was looking for.

Ok, who said McCainDemocrat's login 3 time?

Why is there always some back story with this Obama fool? Not being able to handle presidential duties is one thing but actively engaging in bouts of stupidity is quite another.

Most of you are too young to know just how bad Iran-Contra was. Every modern president(even that pussy Carter) has done bad things with weapons to bad countries.

farking armored troop carriers? Those aren't even weapons. What a bunch of little crybabies.

Nice headline.

This was done months ago, before the place erupted in rebellion.

Damn that Obama for not being a fortune teller and predicting the future. Damn him, damn him to heck.

marfar: The U.S, sending in troops and occupying a third Middle Eastern country is a terrible idea and you know it.

Considering Obama is an inepet carbon-copy of Bush, he would probably turn a Libya deployment into an extended occupation. But the fact is that the resolution does not explicitly prohibit ground troops, just occupation forces.

The Gaddafi game plan is unbeatable against airpower. They just put hundreds of snipers in the towns they're attacking to make it impossible for that town to function. They also cut off the elecricity and water to starve the towns. It's like the strategy used by Gaddafi's former ally, the Serbs, back in the 1990s.

Gaddafi won't give up power quietly. He won't fold to international pressure. He is taking the cowards route of surrounding himself with civilians and hiding underground.

So, what is your plan to accomplish the mission of UN Security Council Resolution 1973? It's either remove his thugs or give up and go home. Take your pick. What's it gonna be? The best idea might be terrible, and the alternative is worse.

So what? We gave biological/chemical weapons to Saddam even after the photos of thousands of dead Kurds made headlines around the world. The US supports half of the world's dictators.

apeiron242: What does it take to get you losers to support overthrowing mass murdering fark heads?

Someone willing to pay for it. I presume you've got your checkbook out?

=Smidge=

apeiron242: HotWingConspiracy: But that ruins our time honored tradition of selling weapons and then later using the possession of those weapons as a rationale for war. I thought these people were patriots.

*sign*

What does it take to get you losers to support overthrowing mass murdering fark heads? It's not Bush this time! Time to be more objective and less adolescent. You're embarrassing us. Again.

Well if you want to bring up Bush:

FTFA:By comparison, the U.S. peak was $46 million in approved defense sales in the final year of the Bush administration in 2008 - up from $5 million in Libyan defense sales the year before. The $46 million included $1 million in explosives and incendiary agents, and Toner said the State Department approved shipments of blasting cartridges used in oil exploration.

ScubaDude1960: So what? We gave biological/chemical weapons to Saddam even after the photos of thousands of dead Kurds made headlines around the world. The US supports half of the world's dictators.

Yep, and a certain prez. got into office by negotiating with terrorists and trading arms for hostages.

GodsTumor: The US supports half of the world's dictators.

Well, usually only the ones who have oil

Obama waffles on everything! If he would have sold them to Libya we would have more money to blow on Obama health. Instead he dropped the ball again. This is why he hates capitalism. He fails at it. That explains why he and his fans have to steal.

What a depressing article on every possible level.

Poison Appleseeds: GodsTumor: The US supports half of the world's dictators.

Well, usually only the ones who have oil

Yeah, but you have a good chance of being taken out by the US also,.
If you have oil.