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2011-03-19 06:27:31 PM
My business got audited in 2009. In the end we received a "no change" letter from the IRS which basically stated that yes, they agreed with our original return and no changes were being made.

When all was said and done we asked the auditor why we were selected for audit in case we made some glaring errors so we could be more careful next time. She told us that she was a new agent and we were just randomly selected as a training exercise for her. That "training exercise" cost my business thousands of dollars in accountant, bookkeeper and lawyer fees because of all the documentation the IRS demanded.

Two years later I still get pissed off thinking about it.
 
2011-03-19 06:44:04 PM
Guess my chances of being audited are low this year.

ZuZu: My business got audited in 2009.

I got audited at 16. Random thing. Babysitting, lawnmowing, and a summer's worth of lifeguarding at the HOA pool. It was fairly frightening; I realized there was very little they could do to me, but knowing that I could drag people whose lawns I mowed into an audit was nerve-wracking.
 
2011-03-19 07:33:14 PM
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2011-03-19 07:37:26 PM
ZuZu: When all was said and done we asked the auditor why we were selected for audit in case we made some glaring errors so we could be more careful next time. She told us that she was a new agent and we were just randomly selected as a training exercise for her. That "training exercise" cost my business thousands of dollars in accountant, bookkeeper and lawyer fees because of all the documentation the IRS demanded.

Two years later I still get pissed off thinking about it.


Tax returns are all thrown into a computer, coded under industry types, deduction types, etc. The system then does some variable calculations on the likelihood of fraudulent behaviour by comparing your returns to previous ones, other returns in similar industries, etc. In Aust our tax authority flags about 5% of entities a year; not sure what the number would be in the US. Of that, about 4.9999% are quickly checked and passed as fine. There is a small portion that are then manually checked.

Whether you were selected for training, checks for fraudulent transactions, whatever, they are still entitled to check your books. Any business operator expects to get audited and the costs can easily be mitigated by keeping solid records. Next time I suggest getting yourself some audit insurance. Costs jack all and covers you for the costs of random audit.

Personally, I never understood the whole fear of the audit. If you aren't doing anything dodgy and are following taxation laws then the absolute worst they can do is refuse a deduction and make you pay it back.

Also, "thousands of dollars" would be what any business, large or small, pays an accounting firm every year just to sign off their books. So you are basically pissed off that they were doing their job and that you got selected?
 
2011-03-19 07:40:09 PM
IRS Is will be? Someone crossed their eyes when they dotted they're tees.
 
2011-03-19 08:08:47 PM
snuff3r: Whether you were selected for training, checks for fraudulent transactions, whatever, they are still entitled to check your books. Any business operator expects to get audited and the costs can easily be mitigated by keeping solid records. Next time I suggest getting yourself some audit insurance. Costs jack all and covers you for the costs of random audit.

Personally, I never understood the whole fear of the audit. If you aren't doing anything dodgy and are following taxation laws then the absolute worst they can do is refuse a deduction and make you pay it back.

Also, "thousands of dollars" would be what any business, large or small, pays an accounting firm every year just to sign off their books. So you are basically pissed off that they were doing their job and that you got selected?


Never said they weren't entitled to check my books. Never said I was afraid of the audit. I found it to be a pain in the ass - not because we do not keep solid records but because of the silly minutiae they asked for. (all of which was easily obtained because I keep everything)

I knew my books were clean and seriously doubted they would find anything fraudulent because we just don't do that kind of shiat and the accounting firm I use is nothing short of honest and excellent.

I was irritated that they completely wasted my time and company funds for a training exercise and not a legitimate suspicion of anything fraudulent. They should easily be able to create training exercises for new employees based off of materials from actual legitimate audits that were done by other IRS agents in the past.
 
2011-03-19 09:26:41 PM
As someone who filled out a Schedule A, I'm getting a kick...

I can substantiate all my deductions and credits as I kept the receipts and bank statements that back up what I put on my 1040.

snuff3r: Personally, I never understood the whole fear of the audit. If you aren't doing anything dodgy and are following taxation laws then the absolute worst they can do is refuse a deduction and make you pay it back.

Business usually aren't afraid of audits because they can hire the accountants and lawyers to keep the IRS at bay.

Individuals on the other hand get nervous when they see a letter from the IRS as what most people know about taxes is what TurboTax or HR Block tells them when they fill out their forms. The IRS has the power to completely turn your life inside out. They are the agency that put Al Capone away.
 
2011-03-19 09:46:00 PM
The Obamarage in the comments section would be hilarious if it weren't so sad. Because, you know, your taxes went sky high when he took office. They technically went down.
 
2011-03-19 09:57:45 PM
Of course, this process can work both ways; it is possible that the IRS could state that you owe less than you reported as well.

Hahaha.
 
2011-03-19 09:57:46 PM
dickfreckle: Because, you know, your taxes went sky high when he took office.

Taxes have been at historical lows for the past decade.... which is one reason why the deficit has been sky high.

\some of the major tax loopholes should be closed
 
2011-03-19 10:02:15 PM
Flat Tax, Completely repeal the current tax code and defund the IRS to the point where they can only collect taxes from said flat tax.
 
2011-03-19 10:03:03 PM
Better make sure to cross all the T's and dot all the...
www.zuguide.com
lower case j's.
 
2011-03-19 10:03:06 PM
I owe the IRS money, they already have me by the short and curlies.
 
2011-03-19 10:05:33 PM
They left off "nobody that has the means to make any recovery more costly to the IRS than it's worth."

Also, "cash cow" doesn't mean a business that operates on a cash basis, you farktards.
 
2011-03-19 10:07:24 PM
dickfreckle: The Obamarage in the comments section would be hilarious if it weren't so sad. Because, you know, your taxes went sky high when he took office. They technically went down.

They went down because the treasury secretary started paying his share.
 
2011-03-19 10:10:52 PM
Not afraid.

I'm a dumb taxpayer.

I pay what they tell me to.

Fool.

According to my corporatized Republican friends, I am the fool.

Yet, I see these really-wealthy corps pay little ala lawyering...

Privilege pays, no?

How about you start paying your real share, richies.

You can afford it.

We can't.

Word.

;)
 
2011-03-19 10:11:33 PM
dervish16108: Of course, this process can work both ways; it is possible that the IRS could state that you owe less than you reported as well.

Hahaha.


Don't laugh too hard. That happened to me last year with the 1040EZ. I didn't bother to do the math for that "Making Work Pay" credit because I'm single with no kids. Besides, I was getting a $200 refund without it.

A couple months after I got my $200 refund and totally out of the blue, I got a letter from the IRS. Turns out I DID qualify for that thing, and they enclosed a check for $400.

Best part? The check actually cleared!
 
2011-03-19 10:12:00 PM
Free_Chilly_Willy: Flat Tax, Completely repeal the current tax code and defund the IRS to the point where they can only collect taxes from said flat tax.

catmas.com
 
2011-03-19 10:13:10 PM
The I's and the T's what?
 
2011-03-19 10:13:51 PM
ZuZu: My business got audited in 2009. In the end we received a "no change" letter from the IRS which basically stated that yes, they agreed with our original return and no changes were being made.

When all was said and done we asked the auditor why we were selected for audit in case we made some glaring errors so we could be more careful next time. She told us that she was a new agent and we were just randomly selected as a training exercise for her. That "training exercise" cost my business thousands of dollars in accountant, bookkeeper and lawyer fees because of all the documentation the IRS demanded.

Two years later I still get pissed off thinking about it.


Wow, I'd like to see a law introduced that IRS agents can not be trained using real companies in real time. That's fricken bullshiat. I think they have enough records to scrounge up a few examples for the IRetardS
 
2011-03-19 10:14:26 PM
Free_Chilly_Willy: Flat Tax, Completely repeal the current tax code and defund the IRS to the point where they can only collect taxes from said flat tax.

And in the process, change the income tax from a progressive tax to a regressive tax.

Flat tax = FAIL
 
2011-03-19 10:15:00 PM
Returns that Itemize Deductions - check
Self-Employed Taxpayers - check
Small Businesses - check
the proprietor of a new company - check

Glad I keep all my records nice and tidy & glad we paid a well known CPA to do the taxes.
 
2011-03-19 10:15:35 PM
FTA: Remember that if the IRS does flag your return for audit, it does not mean that they suspect you of cheating. As mentioned previously, many returns are selected at random, according to a formula.


"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."


Apparently the IRS is exempt from the Fourth.

Luck them. Otherwise they'd be toothless.
 
2011-03-19 10:17:01 PM
It seems like whever I exercise employee stock options, they forget that my employer deducts the tax and puts the rest as income onto my W2. E-trade also sends them the details of the transaction.

So they always send me a letter saying that I haven't paid taxes on the procedes from E-trade.

I call in and someone looks at the return and realizes that what my employer is reporting, and what E-trade is reporting, is the same damn transaction.
 
2011-03-19 10:17:33 PM
dervish16108: Of course, this process can work both ways; it is possible that the IRS could state that you owe less than you reported as well.

Hahaha.


this!!

good little citizens: how do they work?
 
2011-03-19 10:18:50 PM
When I was 18, I had asked my father for $100 to buy books for college. Aside from the child support that my mother received, I never asked him for anything before. Being 18, the child support had stopped, and I figured using it for books for school (which I was going to do) would result in me getting the cash that I needed.

He said no.

This pissed me off. However, I let it go. I sold some of my older toys to get the money for school and time went on. Then, the letter came. It was around Christmas:

"Anastacya, we're going to claim you as a dependent on our tax return". I hadn't received a dime from my father since I turned 18, and surely not the 50% (or whatever it is) requirement for my income from him to be claimed as a dependent.

So I called the IRS and played the dumb female part: told them my story. The lady asked me if I had any information about him so they could look into it. Well, since I was a military brat, I knew his social security number (needed it for medical). I gave it to the IRS.

I found out a few years ago that he was audited. Served him right, greedy farker.
 
2011-03-19 10:19:18 PM
Free_Chilly_Willy: Flat Tax, Completely repeal the current tax code and defund the IRS to the point where they can only collect taxes from said flat tax.

Not enough worker blood oiling your machines these days?

Be sure to write when you get to Somalia.

dick
 
2011-03-19 10:20:51 PM
The admin hired 16.000 new IRS agents. So, yeah be careful.
 
2011-03-19 10:21:16 PM
Anastacya: When I was 18, I had asked my father for $100 to buy books for college. Aside from the child support that my mother received, I never asked him for anything before. Being 18, the child support had stopped, and I figured using it for books for school (which I was going to do) would result in me getting the cash that I needed.

He said no.

This pissed me off. However, I let it go. I sold some of my older toys to get the money for school and time went on. Then, the letter came. It was around Christmas:

"Anastacya, we're going to claim you as a dependent on our tax return". I hadn't received a dime from my father since I turned 18, and surely not the 50% (or whatever it is) requirement for my income from him to be claimed as a dependent.

So I called the IRS and played the dumb female part: told them my story. The lady asked me if I had any information about him so they could look into it. Well, since I was a military brat, I knew his social security number (needed it for medical). I gave it to the IRS.

I found out a few years ago that he was audited. Served him right, greedy farker


Too bad you didn't get a finder's fee for turning his ass in. That would have been icing on the cake.
 
2011-03-19 10:22:17 PM
more than half of taxpayers itemize, TFA claims they are a target for audits. Gotta call BS here. Or is the IRS really that bad at math?
 
2011-03-19 10:22:25 PM
Anastacya: When I was 18 19, I had asked my father for $100 to buy books for college. Aside from the child support that my mother received, I never asked him for anything before. Being 19, the child support had stopped, and I figured using it for books for school (which I was going to do) would result in me getting the cash that I needed.

He said no.

This pissed me off. However, I let it go. I sold some of my older toys to get the money for school and time went on. Then, the letter came. It was around Christmas:

"Anastacya, we're going to claim you as a dependent on our tax return". I hadn't received a dime from my father since I turned 18, and surely not the 50% (or whatever it is) requirement for my income from him to be claimed as a dependent.

So I called the IRS and played the dumb female part: told them my story. The lady asked me if I had any information about him so they could look into it. Well, since I was a military brat, I knew his social security number (needed it for medical). I gave it to the IRS.

I found out a few years ago that he was audited. Served him right, greedy farker.


/FTFM
 
2011-03-19 10:23:44 PM
itsfullofstars: more than half of taxpayers itemize, TFA claims they are a target for audits. Gotta call BS here. Or is the IRS really that bad at math?


Reign of terror.
 
2011-03-19 10:24:39 PM
dustman81: Anastacya: When I was 18, I had asked my father for $100 to buy books for college. Aside from the child support that my mother received, I never asked him for anything before. Being 18, the child support had stopped, and I figured using it for books for school (which I was going to do) would result in me getting the cash that I needed.

He said no.

This pissed me off. However, I let it go. I sold some of my older toys to get the money for school and time went on. Then, the letter came. It was around Christmas:

"Anastacya, we're going to claim you as a dependent on our tax return". I hadn't received a dime from my father since I turned 18, and surely not the 50% (or whatever it is) requirement for my income from him to be claimed as a dependent.

So I called the IRS and played the dumb female part: told them my story. The lady asked me if I had any information about him so they could look into it. Well, since I was a military brat, I knew his social security number (needed it for medical). I gave it to the IRS.

I found out a few years ago that he was audited. Served him right, greedy farker

Too bad you didn't get a finder's fee for turning his ass in. That would have been icing on the cake.


For me the ultimate satisfaction was when he told me the story of him being audited and wondered why it happened. He had no clue that it was me.

I wish I had a camera for the expression on his face when I told him that it was. I am sure it would be a meme.
 
2011-03-19 10:29:30 PM
Farker T: itsfullofstars: more than half of taxpayers itemize, TFA claims they are a target for audits. Gotta call BS here. Or is the IRS really that bad at math?


Reign of terror.


For TY 2008, 65% took the standard deduction.
 
2011-03-19 10:32:08 PM
Filed and spent the return a month and a half ago. Feels good.
 
2011-03-19 10:34:36 PM
Anastacya: When I was 18, I had asked my father for $100 to buy books for college. Aside from the child support that my mother received, I never asked him for anything before. Being 18, the child support had stopped, and I figured using it for books for school (which I was going to do) would result in me getting the cash that I needed.

He said no.

This pissed me off. However, I let it go. I sold some of my older toys to get the money for school and time went on. Then, the letter came. It was around Christmas:

"Anastacya, we're going to claim you as a dependent on our tax return". I hadn't received a dime from my father since I turned 18, and surely not the 50% (or whatever it is) requirement for my income from him to be claimed as a dependent.

So I called the IRS and played the dumb female part: told them my story. The lady asked me if I had any information about him so they could look into it. Well, since I was a military brat, I knew his social security number (needed it for medical). I gave it to the IRS.

I found out a few years ago that he was audited. Served him right, greedy farker.


Ugh, a similar thing happened to me when my wife and I got married. When she mentioned to her psycho mother that we were doing our first joint returns mom got pissed. Apparently her mother felt that since she had not been married the whole year that SHE was entitled to claim my wife as a dependent on her tax return. Furthermore, I was supposed to claim all my wife's income as my own so I would pay the taxes on it and greedy mother in law would get the deduction.

They wonder why we always live over a days drive from them and refuse to consider jobs in their area.
 
2011-03-19 10:35:48 PM
EzioEagle: Filed and spent the return a month and a half ago. Feels good.


That they 'borrowed' your money interest free for a year?
 
2011-03-19 10:37:18 PM
scrumpox: Farker T: itsfullofstars: more than half of taxpayers itemize, TFA claims they are a target for audits. Gotta call BS here. Or is the IRS really that bad at math?


Reign of terror.

For TY 2008, 65% took the standard deduction.



All fear the IRS.
 
2011-03-19 10:42:02 PM
ZuZu: snuff3r: Whether you were selected for training, checks for fraudulent transactions, whatever, they are still entitled to check your books. Any business operator expects to get audited and the costs can easily be mitigated by keeping solid records. Next time I suggest getting yourself some audit insurance. Costs jack all and covers you for the costs of random audit.

Personally, I never understood the whole fear of the audit. If you aren't doing anything dodgy and are following taxation laws then the absolute worst they can do is refuse a deduction and make you pay it back.

Also, "thousands of dollars" would be what any business, large or small, pays an accounting firm every year just to sign off their books. So you are basically pissed off that they were doing their job and that you got selected?

Never said they weren't entitled to check my books. Never said I was afraid of the audit. I found it to be a pain in the ass - not because we do not keep solid records but because of the silly minutiae they asked for. (all of which was easily obtained because I keep everything)

I knew my books were clean and seriously doubted they would find anything fraudulent because we just don't do that kind of shiat and the accounting firm I use is nothing short of honest and excellent.

I was irritated that they completely wasted my time and company funds for a training exercise and not a legitimate suspicion of anything fraudulent. They should easily be able to create training exercises for new employees based off of materials from actual legitimate audits that were done by other IRS agents in the past.


In other words, you were mad because you got picked.
 
2011-03-19 10:42:34 PM
SaintAnky: Anastacya: When I was 18, I had asked my father for $100 to buy books for college. Aside from the child support that my mother received, I never asked him for anything before. Being 18, the child support had stopped, and I figured using it for books for school (which I was going to do) would result in me getting the cash that I needed.

He said no.

This pissed me off. However, I let it go. I sold some of my older toys to get the money for school and time went on. Then, the letter came. It was around Christmas:

"Anastacya, we're going to claim you as a dependent on our tax return". I hadn't received a dime from my father since I turned 18, and surely not the 50% (or whatever it is) requirement for my income from him to be claimed as a dependent.

So I called the IRS and played the dumb female part: told them my story. The lady asked me if I had any information about him so they could look into it. Well, since I was a military brat, I knew his social security number (needed it for medical). I gave it to the IRS.

I found out a few years ago that he was audited. Served him right, greedy farker.

Ugh, a similar thing happened to me when my wife and I got married. When she mentioned to her psycho mother that we were doing our first joint returns mom got pissed. Apparently her mother felt that since she had not been married the whole year that SHE was entitled to claim my wife as a dependent on her tax return. Furthermore, I was supposed to claim all my wife's income as my own so I would pay the taxes on it and greedy mother in law would get the deduction.

They wonder why we always live over a days drive from them and refuse to consider jobs in their area.


It would have been hilarious if she did try to claim your wife as a dependent as your filing status is based on your martial status on the last day of the year.

The IRS would have been happy to invite your MIL to their office for a little chat.
 
2011-03-19 10:42:41 PM
Since only half of us pay tax the other half has nothing to worry about.
 
2011-03-19 10:43:37 PM
Clam Sandwich: ZuZu: snuff3r: Whether you were selected for training, checks for fraudulent transactions, whatever, they are still entitled to check your books. Any business operator expects to get audited and the costs can easily be mitigated by keeping solid records. Next time I suggest getting yourself some audit insurance. Costs jack all and covers you for the costs of random audit.

Personally, I never understood the whole fear of the audit. If you aren't doing anything dodgy and are following taxation laws then the absolute worst they can do is refuse a deduction and make you pay it back.

Also, "thousands of dollars" would be what any business, large or small, pays an accounting firm every year just to sign off their books. So you are basically pissed off that they were doing their job and that you got selected?

Never said they weren't entitled to check my books. Never said I was afraid of the audit. I found it to be a pain in the ass - not because we do not keep solid records but because of the silly minutiae they asked for. (all of which was easily obtained because I keep everything)

I knew my books were clean and seriously doubted they would find anything fraudulent because we just don't do that kind of shiat and the accounting firm I use is nothing short of honest and excellent.

I was irritated that they completely wasted my time and company funds for a training exercise and not a legitimate suspicion of anything fraudulent. They should easily be able to create training exercises for new employees based off of materials from actual legitimate audits that were done by other IRS agents in the past.

In other words, you were mad because you got picked.



Ever notice that no one ever admits to being an IRS agent?

/Except Joe Black, of course
 
2011-03-19 10:45:54 PM
decade or so again I got audit. sent in all my paperwork and they sent me a bill for $13,000. My income was $22,000 that year. After appealing they said "oh our bad, you only owe us $54".

Terrible experience. Took 10 years off my life.
 
2011-03-19 10:49:53 PM
Few years ago I got audited. They sent me a letter informing me of the fact, and they included the business card of my auditor. After a few weeks I got another letter saying my returns were fine. Never called the auditor, never received a call from the auditor.
 
2011-03-19 10:51:16 PM
Large corporations that outsource?

BWAHAHAHAHA! Sorry.
 
2011-03-19 10:53:52 PM
So most people, and small business, excluding the overlords...err corporations. Which do not pay no where near what they should.

Here listen or read for yourself, pfff, like it's a big surprise. Your overlords demand obedience (new window)
 
2011-03-19 10:55:12 PM
www.teapartytribune.com

If you don't support equality under the law you're an un-American bigot and deserve all the evil that can happen to you.

/no association with Pat Landy
//convenient graphic
 
2011-03-19 10:55:39 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: decade or so again I got audit.


A bucket again I got odditid. Common law marriages tend to get crisp after a day or two. Never learn that lesson ago.

/sari
 
2011-03-19 10:56:04 PM
snuff3r:
Personally, I never understood the whole fear of the audit. If you aren't doing anything dodgy and are following taxation laws then the absolute worst they can do is refuse a deduction and make you pay it back.



Because the tax code in the US is so confusing you can be the most honest person in the world and still make a mistake. That honest mistake can cost you thousands in interest and fines and multiply the chances of getting an irs microscope shoved up your ass in years to come.
 
2011-03-19 10:58:35 PM
Anastacya: "Anastacya, we're going to claim you as a dependent on our tax return". I hadn't received a dime from my father since I turned 18, and surely not the 50% (or whatever it is) requirement for my income from him to be claimed as a dependent.

My dad did something similar, but they hadn't given me a dime since I was kicked out of the house whilst I was in high school. They had even gone out of their way to make sure that I was taken off my dad's medical plan. My parents were pissed when they found out I was married.
 
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