Sounds a little low on the upper end to me.

House, wife, kid, going on 7 years at the same job... at 28? I guess I grew up wayyy too fast!

If you have friends or family in college, you will probably agree with this. Being immature and obnoxious seems to be a right of passage these days.

As a university employee, I concur.

As a college instructor, I agree.

Undergraduate education is the new high school. :(

from an article I read recently showing an email this author/mother received from her local sheriffs department via her kids schools PTA:

"From assaults, molestation and kidnapping of very young children, to brutal muggings, date-rape and murder of college-age students, violence against children is a terrifying occurrence..."

and, now this. How in the world can we agree to send 18yos to their deaths overseas and yet a 25 yo is a 'child' in the eyes of the powers that be?

/I agree with bob... I also know people older than I am (45) that act like they are 8 years old... or younger...

// and people still wonder why I am so cynical about our educational system... heh

That means I'm like 25..Ima go ride my bike off the roof, brb.

MaestroJ: So dating a 24 year old means you need to have a seat over there?

Done in 6.

I have to concur. I know gradeschool kids who dress like hookers, swear like sailors, smoke like chimneys and lord knows about the sex and drug use.

On the other end, there are many people in their 20s and even older who have yet to hold down a real job, have an adult relationship, and who do little more than watch tv and play video games.

Our culture has glorified the teen years for decades, so this is what we get.

Inaditch: I have to concur. I know gradeschool kids who dress like hookers, swear like sailors, smoke like chimneys and lord knows about the sex and drug use.

On the other end, there are many people in their 20s and even older who have yet to hold down a real job, have an adult relationship, and who do little more than watch tv and play video games.

Our culture has glorified the teen years for decades, so this is what we get.

You sound old.

LOL... "Back in my day, blah blah blah..."

WTF is with all of these stories disparaging people in their 20's lately? My paranoid conspiracy theory is that it's the older people with more job security trying to rationalize the lack of decent employment prospects for the younger generation. They want to shift the blame off the economic policies of the last 30 years and make it a moral failing on the part of young people. They act like no young people were slackers back in the 60s/70s, which is pretty laughable really. There will always be slackers and hard working types in any population FFS.

Inaditch: On the other end, there are many people in their 20s and even older who have yet to hold down a real job, have an adult relationship, and who do little more than watch tv and play video games.

Oh, right, you mean virtually everyone. Our adolescents and 20 year olds aren't really worth complaining about when you see our 50+ year old politicians, CEOS and workforce in general along with celebrities walking the same walk.

drfenric: As a college instructor, I agree.

Undergraduate education is the new high school. :(

So grad-school is the new undergrad?.

bonefish: House, wife, kid, going on 7 years at the same job... at 28? I guess I grew up wayyy too fast!

I was at a party recently and was looking for a conversation starter with this guy in his mid 20s. People had been talking about bachelor parties, and his left hand was in a jacket pocket, so I asked him if he was married. He laughed in my face and said "I'm 26!" like that was a clear answer.

telaran Quote 2011-03-19 12:21:41 PM
Inaditch: On the other end, there are many people in their 20s and even older who have yet to hold down a real job, have an adult relationship, and who do little more than watch tv and play video games.

Oh, right, you mean virtually everyone. Our adolescents and 20 year olds aren't really worth complaining about when you see our 50+ year old politicians, CEOS and workforce in general along with celebrities walking the same walk.

>>>>

Uhhhh, what?

On a different note, what is it with people in the States and their insistence on going to specialists for even the most basic of care? According to the article, you should see a pediatrician when you're little, an adolescent medicine specialist when you're a teenager, then i assume an internal medicine specialist when you're older (plus a gynecologist if you're female).

Get yourself a family doctor, people. It's one-stop shopping.

/family doctor
//no shortage of business here in Canada

except thats not actually what the article says... it actually doesnt even imply that.

what it does say is there is an association called "Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine, which aims at care for young people ages 10 to 25" which is not the same as saying "teen agers are 10-25"

but thats okay, who the hell need reading comprehension anyway...

Big Al: Uhhhh, what?

Ah, the literal reading rather than the context. Bravo.

telaran: Inaditch: On the other end, there are many people in their 20s and even older who have yet to hold down a real job, have an adult relationship, and who do little more than watch tv and play video games.

Oh, right, you mean virtually everyone. Our adolescents and 20 year olds aren't really worth complaining about when you see our 50+ year old politicians...

Confirming my belief that Congress is made up of 8 yr. olds.

ifyouknew: On a different note, what is it with people in the States and their insistence on going to specialists for even the most basic of care? According to the article, you should see a pediatrician when you're little, an adolescent medicine specialist when you're a teenager, then i assume an internal medicine specialist when you're older (plus a gynecologist if you're female).

Get yourself a family doctor, people. It's one-stop shopping.

/family doctor
//no shortage of business here in Canada

I've got a cradle to grave DO, here in the states...my son started seeing her at 13, still sees her at 18.

Not sure why, but people tend to see it as old fashioned. Probably explains why many of her patients are >65. Not sure why they seem to mostly be 65, though.

It's nice being able to make one appointment though and saying "kid's got what looks like strep, matter of fact, all of us do."

It`s the concept that childhood has to be pleasant for adulthood to be pleasant that is the problem. Imagine the most useless unhappy adult you can. Chances are they had parents who gave them everything as a child whatever they did. This retarded their development into adults(why bother?). It also hardwired in a work/reward ratio which was vastly different from the one they would experience as adults hence adulthood is hard work and not good so they are unhappy and lazy. Contrast that to the kid who had stricter parents and lots of chores, when they are adults the workload and supervision decreases and the rewards increase making them happy adults.

count chocula: LOL... "Back in my day, blah blah blah..."

This. There has always been a sea of human cesspool just beneath the thin veil of civilisation. Nothing new here

count chocula: LOL... "Back in my day, blah blah blah..."

WTF is with all of these stories disparaging people in their 20's lately? My paranoid conspiracy theory is that it's the older people with more job security trying to rationalize the lack of decent employment prospects for the younger generation. They want to shift the blame off the economic policies of the last 30 years and make it a moral failing on the part of young people. They act like no young people were slackers back in the 60s/70s, which is pretty laughable really. There will always be slackers and hard working types in any population FFS.

I think there's some truth to the criticism. I get irritated with what seems like the majority of the group right now. Lots of them openly mock anybody who is actually working to better themselves (people who apply themselves at school, do anything with a bigger purpose like volunteer or something). I'm in a university town and this is even the case. It's one thing to just let people do their thing, but there's a large number of twentysomethings that don't do anything, don't want to do anything, but decide they're superior for some reason compared to people with real goals. If somebody doesn't have any ambition or goals that's fine and I don't care, but when it becomes the norm to make fun of those that do care then there's going to be problems.

According to most porn directors, "teen" means all the way to 40.

CygnusDarius: drfenric: As a college instructor, I agree.

Undergraduate education is the new high school. :(

So grad-school is the new undergrad?.

Unfortunately, yes.

Don't they realise that the "teen" comes from the number, or did I miss the joke?

Thirteen - nineteen

BlippityBleep: I think there's some truth to the criticism. I get irritated with what seems like the majority of the group right now. Lots of them openly mock anybody who is actually working to better themselves (people who apply themselves at school, do anything with a bigger purpose like volunteer or something). I'm in a university town and this is even the case. It's one thing to just let people do their thing, but there's a large number of twentysomethings that don't do anything, don't want to do anything, but decide they're superior for some reason compared to people with real goals. If somebody doesn't have any ambition or goals that's fine and I don't care, but when it becomes the norm to make fun of those that do care then there's going to be problems.

This definitely hasn't been my experience (that this is how the majority of 20somethings act). Keep in mind that usually the loudest people are the most obnoxious. Additionally, I think this attitude stems from the fact that it's very hard to get a decent job as a young person, even with a college degree, so it's a defensive mechanism of their ego; they rationalize their lack of prospects as a lifestyle choice. It feels better to be a slacker by choice than an under-employed person with little hope of upward mobility.

pat34us: Don't they realise that the "teen" comes from the number, or did I miss the joke?

Thirteen - nineteen

you missed the joke...

...which was less of a joke and more of a 'take one statement from the article twist what it really said and then call the writer of the article for having an article that someone could take something, intentionally twist what its actually saying and go on an internet rampage about it'.

dericwater: CygnusDarius: drfenric: As a college instructor, I agree.

Undergraduate education is the new high school. :(

So grad-school is the new undergrad?.

The higher-education industry is trying to wring another 4 years of education money from people, so that's how they're positioning this. The post-grad grad school is now the new grad school. It's where you pay money to intern to some professor to get some experience.

or, if you're smart, you go into a field that often pays you to attend grad school

telaran Quote 2011-03-19 12:35:13 PM

Ah, the literal reading rather than the context. Bravo.


>>>>

So you admit to talking nothing but nonsense

Inaditch: I have to concur. I know gradeschool kids who dress like hookers, swear like sailors, smoke like chimneys and lord knows about the sex and drug use.

On the other end, there are many people in their 20s and even older who have yet to hold down a real job, have an adult relationship, and who do little more than watch tv and play video games.

Our culture has glorified the teen years for decades, so this is what we get.

Yous sounding like a 70 yr old Republican congressman...and fark, I'm agreeing with you, what's going on???

count chocula: This definitely hasn't been my experience (that this is how the majority of 20somethings act).

Heh, I should probably remember that I'm in the glorious pacific northwest, and I'd wager that it is the majority up here. ;-)

count chocula: WTF is with all of these stories disparaging people in their 20's lately?

Not just that, either - what's with all the stories trying to insist that if you have any hobbies, or don't put work as the #1 first priority over everything else, you're not "mature?"

Fark that. I've had normal good jobs since I was 18 but never have I thought that means that in my off hours I somehow shouldn't be allowed to play.

BlippityBleep: I get irritated with what seems like the majority of the group right now. Lots of them openly mock anybody who is actually working to better themselves (people who apply themselves at school, do anything with a bigger purpose like volunteer or something). I'm in a university town and this is even the case. It's one thing to just let people do their thing, but there's a large number of twentysomethings that don't do anything, don't want to do anything, but decide they're superior for some reason compared to people with real goals.

I think that's not just young people at all - right now in the US it seems its fashionable to mock ANYONE who is sincere about anything at all.

It is quite interesting to see it on college campuses though (got one here myself) because the old stereotype of the protesting students and the student strikes from the 60's and 70's are just SO out of date now. These days, if you're sincere enough to try actually protesting something, you're a chump - but the people twice their age seem every bit as cynical, if you ask me.

And yeah, bugs me too. I just don't think it's restricted to the young.

As for the actual content of TFA, though, I think it's a good thing to have adolescent medicine as a specialty, as that particular changing time DOES have lots of specialized health issues that can go along with it.

If you're including mental health, there are lot of things that do show up in the early twenties if you're going to get them, so yeah 25 as an upper bound can make sense too depending. Plus just the ordinary stresses and counselling that go along with figuring out how to plug into (at least the first of) your "adult life," getting that first job, moving to set up house in a new city, whatever it is.

ifyouknew: On a different note, what is it with people in the States and their insistence on going to specialists for even the most basic of care? According to the article, you should see a pediatrician when you're little, an adolescent medicine specialist when you're a teenager, then i assume an internal medicine specialist when you're older (plus a gynecologist if you're female).

Get yourself a family doctor, people. It's one-stop shopping.

/family doctor
//no shortage of business here in Canada

My PCP is an Internal Medicine Specialist. She does my pelvic exams, too. I was directed to her by my insurance company. Thankfully, she's awesome.

BlippityBleep: count chocula: This definitely hasn't been my experience (that this is how the majority of 20somethings act).

Heh, I should probably remember that I'm in the glorious pacific northwest, and I'd wager that it is the majority up here. ;-)

You're talking about the hipsters, aren't you. Goddamn lazy smug bastards with their fixies and their mustaches.

You should keep in mind that our definition of 'adulthood' as beginning at 18 comes from a time when very few people lived past 50 or 60. (The average life expectancy for a white male born in 1911 was 50.) Now that most people can live into their eighties, I don't have a problem with the idea that 'childhood' has extended to match. Go ahead and play around until you're 25. After that, you still have a good 40-50 years of productive life ahead of you :)

According to this headline, reading is not subby's strong suit.

itazurakko: what's with all the stories trying to insist that if you have any hobbies, or don't put work as the #1 first priority over everything else, you're not "mature?"

Uh... the media sucks and is lame and filled with tard writers? Same as it ever was; that's what fark is here for, to make fun of the idiots and their crap writing. People my age had to deal with the "Generation X is just a bunch of directionless nihilist slackers" stories for most of the 90s, until some people my age started making huge money and changing the world, and the tard writers had to STFU.

It'll happen for your generation too.

dready zim: It`s the concept that childhood has to be pleasant for adulthood to be pleasant that is the problem. Imagine the most useless unhappy adult you can. Chances are they had parents who gave them everything as a child whatever they did. This retarded their development into adults(why bother?). It also hardwired in a work/reward ratio which was vastly different from the one they would experience as adults hence adulthood is hard work and not good so they are unhappy and lazy. Contrast that to the kid who had stricter parents and lots of chores, when they are adults the workload and supervision decreases and the rewards increase making them happy adults.

Major citation needed, square.

Around here, teenage behavior seems to be starting around 8 or 9. The 14 to 16 year olds seem quite mature in contrast, because they all seem to be trying to get jobs. Still freaks me out to see 5th grade girls looking like seniors when I went to school. The old saying of 15 will get you 20, now needs updating.

jeblis: According to most porn directors, "teen" means all the way to 40.

Came for this, left satisfied . . . so to speak.

There's a porn star named Felony that seamlessly transitioned from barely legal roles to milf roles by getting (bad) implants.

For the record, I don't think that most young people are useless. And, I know plenty of useless older people. (Don't get me started on some of my relatives). What gets me is how acceptable it is to be useless.

Somehow or another, our culture has gotten the idea that the most important things in life are to be happy and to have fun. What we've seemingly forgotten is that these things are not rights, and that you have to earn them. You get to play and be happy after you work your ass off doing something productive.

The financial crisis is a perfect analogy. There were millions of people using credit they didn't deserve to buy things they couldn't afford. Then came the inevitable crash.

Culturally, we've got millions of people playing around without first contributing to something productive. It can't last.

Also, I'm part of the problem. I often watch a movie when I should be doing something productive with my business. Right now, I'm ranting on Fark when I should be at the gym. I play more than I should, and my quality of life and financial success suffer because of it. So, I'm not ranting against "those damn kids," I'm ranting against myself and a number of people I care about.