This is going just great! When do we get to send thousands of ground troops to Libya?

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They thought a few kind words and a half threat were going to make Ghadaffi stop?
Right now he's looking for every loophole he can use to kill people so he can keep his arse planted on the throne.

That was a MiG 23. Lybian pop-up target of choice since 1987.

TFA: "'A rebel spokesman was quoted as saying the downed jet was a rebel plane which had been shot down by pro-government forces."

nlscb: NO BLOOD FOR OIL!

Oh. A Democrat is President. Never Mind.

They will welcome us with open arms, wont they?

RexTalionis: chemical_angel: This is going just great! When do we get to send thousands of ground troops to Libya?

Never. The UN Sec. Council Resolution precludes ground troops or an invasion force.

And given the timing it also precludes a rebel victory.

jaytkay: TFA: "'A rebel spokesman was quoted as saying the downed jet was a rebel plane which had been shot down by pro-government forces."

Sugar coat it so it's easier to swallow?

Would UN forces going into Libya justify the American invasion of Iraq? Isn't the same thing going on? Did Saddam mass-kill a lot of his own people; and then America went in and curb stomped him.

How will Libya be different from Iraq after Gaddafi has been eliminated?

It looked more like a weather balloon to me.


\ya rly...

I'm not thrilled about the US engaging in yet another mid-east conflict. There is no consensus for intervention by the collective tards running European nations. When are we going to let them manage business in their own back yard? Is the sting of rising oil prices enough to risk yet more Americans?

I don't know about y'all, but I'm all for driving Prii, improving transportation infrastructure and expanding oil production in the US as the mid-east implodes.

Break off this relationship!


/Oh, maybe I forgot about Israeli influence keeping us in the region. On that I say give the Israeli's Utah and tell them to start packing now.

I hope this is BO thinking 'yeah good luck mofo...' but I'm guessing no.

I'm thinking the UN never intended to do anything in Libya. Why pass a resolution when Qaddafi is already at the door of Benghazi? Even without planes, his armor and artillery is vastly superior to what the rebels have, and a military victory is a formality. By passing a resolution, though, the UN gets to save face because now they can say, "We were ready to help, but we just couldn't get our forces there in time."

RexTalionis: SharkTrager:
And given the timing it also precludes a rebel victory.

Well, yeah. Also, analysts claim it'll take up to a week to set up the no fly zone, at which point, what's the point?

This

The forces involved needed to be able to get that into effect quickly. With this pause, they are going to push as hard as they can to mix in with rebels and civilian targets.

Benghazi is going to be a bloodbath.

HellRaisingHoosier: Would UN forces going into Libya justify the American invasion of Iraq? Isn't the same thing going on? Did Saddam mass-kill a lot of his own people; and then America went in and curb stomped him.

How will Libya be different from Iraq after Gaddafi has been eliminated?

Because we have a Democrat President now who won't privatize social security or go after the teacher unions, duh.

jaytkay: TFA: "'A rebel spokesman was quoted as saying the downed jet was a rebel plane which had been shot down by pro-government forces."

The rebels have aircraft?



What a rebel pilot might look like.

Marine Corps hymn: From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli...

Okay boys, let's take back Tripoli singing the best hymn ever sung!

Either a Su-24 or MiG-23, can't quite tell from the picture...

Reports (AP) say it was the rebels fighter.

FYI a no-fly-zone takes time to set up because you have to bomb the airfields, radar, and weapon installations to keep our planes safe.'

Ah, the American war machine. Where would your economy be without all the dead, yours and there's?

....stay out of Libya. Let Libyans (and the middle east) decide what's the best course of action for Libya. You've already bought enough stock in the middle east anti-American club to serve to up to your grandchildren, great grand children and beyond. Why buy more?

CoolHandLucas: Either a Su-24 or MiG-23, can't quite tell from the picture...

It almost looks like an F14 with the swept wing config.

You stupid fark. We're not sending ANY ground troops to Libya. Quit watching Fox News you stupid farking jackhole.

/fed up with lies and idiots who believe them.


Of course not. They're "advisors". Or don't exist, if caught.

Do you think they're not already there?

CoolHandLucas: Either a Su-24 or MiG-23, can't quite tell from the picture...

From another, larger, pic I saw, I think it's a -23.
And there were two chutes, so apparently they got out OK.

indarwinsshadow: Ah, the American war machine. Where would your economy be without all the dead, yours and there's?

....stay out of Libya. Let Libyans (and the middle east) decide what's the best course of action for Libya. You've already bought enough stock in the middle east anti-American club to serve to up to your grandchildren, great grand children and beyond. Why buy more?

Because screw Gad, we're on the right for once and let's fighting love!

you guys have it all wrong, that's a Fokker D VII (no wonder Germany doesn't support action in Libya)


/now can we start talking about Labia?

Came to see picture of dynamite monkey, leaving disappointed.

CoolHandLucas: Either a Su-24 or MiG-23, can't quite tell from the picture...

Or a Mirage F1?

indarwinsshadow: Ah, the American war machine. Where would your economy be without all the dead, yours and there's?

....stay out of Libya. Let Libyans (and the middle east) decide what's the best course of action for Libya. You've already bought enough stock in the middle east anti-American club to serve to up to your grandchildren, great grand children and beyond. Why buy more?

I bet your grandparents or great-grandparents biatched about America taking that exact course of action back in their day.
(just substitute Libya with one of those fancy European countries)

What a non-explodey Libyan MiG-23 looks like:

FYI a no-fly-zone takes time to set up because you have to bomb the airfields, radar, and weapon installations to keep our planes safe.'

What?

You don't bomb airfields in a no-fly zone. The whole point isn't to destroy the enemy's airborne assets like in a "traditional" war, its to prevent them from being used.

Modern western fighters would have a field day with antiquated Soviet aircraft (Gulf War I and the IAF come to mind) should they try to intercept patrol aircraft, and NATO air forces are more than capable of effective SEAD should Libya decide to start launching SAMs or AA.

Coiled Hot 1: It almost looks like an F14 with the swept wing config.

No.

jaytkay: Or a Mirage F1?

And no again.
Mirage F1

Mirage F1.

SigmaAlgebra: I'm thinking the UN never intended to do anything in Libya. Why pass a resolution when Qaddafi is already at the door of Benghazi? Even without planes, his armor and artillery is vastly superior to what the rebels have, and a military victory is a formality. By passing a resolution, though, the UN gets to save face because now they can say, "We were ready to help, but we just couldn't get our forces there in time."

"The UN" is not a singular entity. The United Nations is made up of over two hundred member states, each of which can express its interests, sponsor resolutions, and vote. The Security Council resolution to institute a no-fly zone was sponsored by Lebanon, not by the Secretary-General or any other bureaucrat. Certain nations want to intervene, others don't - France, for instance, has recognized the rebels as the legal government of Libya. This isn't something you do if you're just trying to save face.

The fact that a consensus was reached at all, with the Chinese and Russian vetoes on the Security Council, means that the international community is actually behind something. If you're going to blame anyone, at least blame someone with the power to act. The US, for dragging its feet, maybe - but not an institution whose sole real power is to "write stern letters".

you sure it wasn't this MiG31?

/impressed that the russians had this radar deflecting design in 1982
//less impressed that they let Eastwood steal it

indarwinsshadow: Ah, the American war machine. Where would your economy be without all the dead, yours and there's?

....stay out of Libya. Let Libyans (and the middle east) decide what's the best course of action for Libya. You've already bought enough stock in the middle east anti-American club to serve to up to your grandchildren, great grand children and beyond. Why buy more?

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Nice try, but this was a multi-national UN resolution. The US has no desire to go in on our own, why do you think we were sitting back an watching for over a month?

The question is, who was flying it, and who shot it down. seeing conflicting info.

Rebel aircrew, pro-Daffy forces shot it down
Rebel aircrew, rebel forces accidentally shot it down

In such a chaotic, non-trained situation, I could easily see a US/UK/French aircraft being shot down by some rebel beanhead with a concept of 'aircraft...must shoot it'.

The untrained fools manning these guns really don't have the concept of shoot that one, not these ones down just yet. And obviously no IFF.

No one's stopping you Fark internet tough guys from getting boots on the ground. Go for it. Jump on a plane then, go to Libya. Join a side and pick up a rifle. I'm sure your inexperience, lack of combat training and your overall pluck will keep you alive. Oh, and the fact you're an American (or any westerner) would be deeply appreciated on either side, because the side you choose will have a fair and balanced view of your countries incursions and support of various governments over the years.....you don't get it? Do you? You just don't get it.


....cause when comes right down to it. You're always right. That's what makes you...you.

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A Mirage belonging to the rebels. Shot down by Gaddafi's forces.

Diarrhea Anne Frank: A Mirage belonging to the rebels. Shot down by Gaddafi's forces.

Rebels claim...

Over Benghazi?

I don't think I'll ever be over Benghazi.