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(Some Guy)   Apple: "We're big in Switzerland"   (tuaw.com) divider line 53
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2011-03-18 10:32:49 AM
www.blogcdn.com

fairly interesting that they've got a 15 percent share in the US. that's more than i would have thought. i would imagine, too, that their laptop share is even higher.
 
2011-03-18 10:35:39 AM
I'm huge in Japan.
 
2011-03-18 12:25:52 PM
So was Spinal Tap.
 
2011-03-18 12:48:42 PM
Haterboi hissyfit in 5...4....3.....
 
2011-03-18 02:51:05 PM
Headline made me think of this:
moderateleft.com
 
2011-03-18 02:52:32 PM

FlashHarry: fairly interesting that they've got a 15 percent share in the US.


Apple has a 30% share in this household ;)
One desktop, one laptop, one netbook.

Now the question is, is that graph above installed base or sales?
 
2011-03-18 02:54:29 PM
Read the fine print: "Based on website visits"

In the U.S. Apple's market share is closer to 7-8%
 
2011-03-18 02:59:10 PM

Kar98: FlashHarry: fairly interesting that they've got a 15 percent share in the US.

Apple has a 30% share in this household ;)
One desktop, one laptop, one netbook.

Now the question is, is that graph above installed base or sales?


FTFA: "...based on browser visits"

Not sure you can draw any conclusions from that data beyond the % of mac users that visited the websites polled.

Apple: "We're big less tiny in Switzerland"
 
2011-03-18 03:10:47 PM
Isn't that basically like saying "My mom thinks I'm hansom"?
 
2011-03-18 03:11:12 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I'm huge in Japan.


1.bp.blogspot.com

It's easy when you're big in Japan.
 
2011-03-18 03:12:17 PM

MDGeist: Isn't that basically like saying "My mom thinks I'm hansom"?


Hanson?
 
2011-03-18 03:30:40 PM
Slow tech news day?
/No greening of the biggest spam network going down
 
2011-03-18 03:31:31 PM
Cool.

Microsoft is big everywhere.
 
2011-03-18 03:32:40 PM

Kar98: FlashHarry: fairly interesting that they've got a 15 percent share in the US.

Apple has a 30% share in this household ;)
One desktop, one laptop, one netbook.

Now the question is, is that graph above installed base or sales?



You may want to check your math again.

www.thewwwblog.com
 
2011-03-18 03:34:06 PM
Wow... Apple's global market penetration is actually a lot worse than I expected. Assuming the majority of the 'non-Apple' computers are Microsoft, MS still utterly dominates worldwide. The PC industry will probably be dead in a few years thanks to mobile devices, so I doubt it's Apple's focus, but I still would have thought they had made more progress.
 
2011-03-18 03:35:29 PM
Apple: "We're bigger in Switzerland"

FTFY subby. Still a pretty weak market share.
 
2011-03-18 03:36:08 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Slow tech news day?
/No greening of the biggest spam network going down


C'mon man - Microsoft is that hero of that story. Nobody wants to hear about Microsoft acting heroic, it threatens the paradigm.
 
2011-03-18 03:43:45 PM

leviosaurus: Wow... Apple's global market penetration is actually a lot worse than I expected. Assuming the majority of the 'non-Apple' computers are Microsoft, MS still utterly dominates worldwide. The PC industry will probably be dead in a few years thanks to mobile devices, so I doubt it's Apple's focus, but I still would have thought they had made more progress.


...in a few years?

That's... unlikely.
 
2011-03-18 03:43:58 PM
Looks like more of our friends to the south will have to look into just how enjoyable using a Mac can be.

It's a farking computer, you idiot.
 
2011-03-18 03:50:43 PM
I'm not surprised by this. Switzerland is a very posh country, and I guess it stands to reason that they would be more incluned to use macs there.
 
2011-03-18 03:51:42 PM
/Inclined
//typing at a weird angle
 
2011-03-18 03:54:55 PM

Ed Willy: Kar98: FlashHarry: fairly interesting that they've got a 15 percent share in the US.

Apple has a 30% share in this household ;)
One desktop, one laptop, one netbook.

Now the question is, is that graph above installed base or sales?


You may want to check your math again.


I didn't count "other", like the PDA, the phones... ;)

/wheee, nice save ;)
 
2011-03-18 03:55:18 PM

Hal5423: I'm not surprised by this. Switzerland is a very posh country, and I guess it stands to reason that they would be more incluned to use macs there.


it's a perfectly cromulent word.
 
2011-03-18 03:56:12 PM
Your mom only has 17% penetration in Switzerland too.
 
2011-03-18 03:58:45 PM

MDGeist: Isn't that basically like saying "My mom thinks I'm hansom"?


Mac users know how to spell. Moran.
 
2011-03-18 04:00:42 PM
CSB

I broke my Galaxy S (was a flimsy piece of crap anyway) and this old crappy Toshiba laptop I use is starting to die. So I actually gave serious thought the last few days into getting an Iphone and a 17" Macbook Pro (working for a university that gets me great discounts through Apple).

I just couldn't shake the closed iOS system and the "Apple has the reigns" approach to their software/hardware. That and the OSX Lion preview that showed what I and many predicted over a year ago; iOS creeping into OSX. That and I hate being locked into the iTunes ecosystem and have no desire to re-encode all my DVDs into an iTunes compatible format.

They make some really solid products and their build quality is second to none. It's just the closed proprietary approach that turns me off. But I'm the tinkering type, so I'm probably not their target user (despite having owned Apple products over the years)

/grabbed a Nexus S, don't want to deal with manufacturer skinning bullshiat like TouchWiz
//Still might get the 11" or 13" Macbook Air when they update it to Sandy Bridge. Just can't bring myself to buy that expensive of a laptop with Core2Duo still in it in 2011.
 
2011-03-18 04:01:09 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I'm huge in Japan.


That could be taken in a number of ways.

Like, 6" long huge, or 6' tall huge?
 
2011-03-18 04:04:29 PM
 
2011-03-18 04:08:11 PM
Neutrality is as morally bankrupt as pacifism.
 
2011-03-18 04:08:24 PM
meh... probably because it fits in with the preppy Ikea furniture.
 
2011-03-18 04:12:09 PM
Q: How can you tell if somebody owns an Apple product?

A: Don't worry, they'll tell you.

/Thank you, thank you
//I'm here all week
///Don't forget to tip your waitstaff
////Try the veal
 
2011-03-18 04:14:41 PM
They seem to be claiming that in the US 15% of all browser hits are mac. That's not the same thing as OS X usage. It could be OS X users browse more web pages, and thus skew the stats. Or millions of users don't browse to the pages they count... or have internet access at all. After all Broadband penetration #s in the US range between 30 and 60% depending on the study. We range as between 12th and 20th in penetration by country as well... so... I dunno how fair it is to use browser stats as OS usage...

I'm fairly certain these numbers are inaccurate based on sales alone. Also considering some number of mac users also use boot camp into Windows, mobile browsing... etc etc.

I would like to see legitimate use stats, but that's not really possible. So I think sales figures are better... until you look at people who buy hardware and install their own OS (Windows and Linux).

Tough to get a good count.
 
2011-03-18 04:18:57 PM

Current Resident: Q: How can you tell if somebody owns an Apple product?

A: Don't worry, they'll tell you.

/Thank you, thank you
//I'm here all week
///Don't forget to tip your waitstaff
////Try the veal


I so wish that this was a joke... but sadly, that's spot on...
 
2011-03-18 04:35:59 PM

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I just couldn't shake the closed iOS system and the "Apple has the reigns" approach to their software/hardware. That and the OSX Lion preview that showed what I and many predicted over a year ago; iOS creeping into OSX. That and I hate being locked into the iTunes ecosystem and have no desire to re-encode all my DVDs into an iTunes compatible format.


I've been using a Mac for 10 years now in one form or another and I have an iPhone as well. But I've never been able to pin down what it is I am missing in this closed environment I keep hearing people talk about.

What exactly is it that you can't do on a Mac because of this 'closed environment'?

What are all of these things that I can't do but haven't missed in 10 years.

I also have a Windows 7 laptop and it does exactly the same stuff that my iMac does, there is nothing I can do on my laptop that I can't do on my Mac.

On top of that, it takes 5 minutes to jailbreak the iPhone and there are no completely open smartphone OS's. I don't care what they advertise there are plenty of Apps that neither Google nor the carriers or service providers want you to have.
 
2011-03-18 04:39:10 PM

milo_rules: Read the fine print: "Based on website visits"


So Apple users are more active on websites than non-Apple users.

FANBOI: PROOF THAT MAC USERS ARE MORE LITERATE! WINDOZE USERS BUY PCS AND THEN NEVER USE THEM B/C THEY ARE TOO DUMB AND HARD TO USE!

H8ERS: WAT, CANT HEAR U OVER THE SOUNDS OF ALL THE FPS GAMES AND PROFESSIONAL CAD PACKAGES I CAN RUN AND U CANT. MAC = GLORIFIED WEBTV LOL
 
2011-03-18 05:35:23 PM

DevideByZer0: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I just couldn't shake the closed iOS system and the "Apple has the reigns" approach to their software/hardware. That and the OSX Lion preview that showed what I and many predicted over a year ago; iOS creeping into OSX. That and I hate being locked into the iTunes ecosystem and have no desire to re-encode all my DVDs into an iTunes compatible format.

I've been using a Mac for 10 years now in one form or another and I have an iPhone as well. But I've never been able to pin down what it is I am missing in this closed environment I keep hearing people talk about.

What exactly is it that you can't do on a Mac because of this 'closed environment'?

What are all of these things that I can't do but haven't missed in 10 years.

I also have a Windows 7 laptop and it does exactly the same stuff that my iMac does, there is nothing I can do on my laptop that I can't do on my Mac.

On top of that, it takes 5 minutes to jailbreak the iPhone and there are no completely open smartphone OS's. I don't care what they advertise there are plenty of Apps that neither Google nor the carriers or service providers want you to have.


OSX itself is not a closed environment. You can write your own programs for it and run them just fine. The only way OSX is closed is that it requires specific hardware to run on. When it comes to OSX versus windows a lot of it is personal choice about user interface. I personally dislike the mac interface but that is a personal preference, not a fault of apple.

The only thing that you can't really do on OSX that you can do quite well on a PC is game, don't get me wrong this is slowly changing with the port of Steam to OSX, but for the most part if you want to game on a computer your options are quite limited unless you are running windows (this is not because of operating system contraints, just due to the fact that developers don't compile their games for OSX)

iOS is the closed operating system. If I want to write my own program for my iphone and run it I cannot without apple's approval. You have to jailbreak the phone to do that, which regardless of how much time it takes is an extra step that should be unnecessary. I wish I could speak better for the other options but unfortunatly pretty much all current smartphones are closed. iPhones you have to jailbreak, android phones you have to root, neither step should be necessary.
 
2011-03-18 05:42:18 PM
If anecdote were to equal data, the UK would far and away top the list. I don't know anyone aside from myself who uses Windows. The one person I know who uses Linux also uses Mac as well. Everyone else is on Mac entirely.
 
2011-03-18 06:11:48 PM
Liberty's Ponzi shall perish on her pride
 
2011-03-18 06:14:52 PM

Quantumbunny: They seem to be claiming that in the US 15% of all browser hits are mac. That's not the same thing as OS X usage. It could be OS X users browse more web pages, and thus skew the stats. Or millions of users don't browse to the pages they count... or have internet access at all. After all Broadband penetration #s in the US range between 30 and 60% depending on the study. We range as between 12th and 20th in penetration by country as well... so... I dunno how fair it is to use browser stats as OS usage...



How funny if the sites they polled were tech 'how to' sites? More people using Macs who are trying to figure out how to do things that are simple and easy on a PC? That would be funny... Of course, it could just be biased, and they could be purposefully slanting things by primarily polling Mac-specific sites such as macrumors.com and the apple page...
 
2011-03-18 06:19:59 PM

GreySpectre: iOS is the closed operating system. If I want to write my own program for my iphone and run it I cannot without apple's approval. You have to jailbreak the phone to do that, which regardless of how much time it takes is an extra step that should be unnecessary. I wish I could speak better for the other options but unfortunatly pretty much all current smartphones are closed. iPhones you have to jailbreak, android phones you have to root, neither step should be necessary.


Not that there aren't other reasons to root an Android phone... but you can install your own apps from any source without rooting. Unlike iOS.

You can also, again without rooting, support all sorts of file formats, direct drag and drop of files to your device.

You can also use any ringtone, notification, or alert sounds you want unlike the 6 options you have in iOS for anything other than a ringtone. And the ringtone can be mp3, ogg, anything your phone can play, and as long as you want, whatever size you want. It's not some strange ass mac specific format with limitations you have to use iTunes to create.

You can also customize a LOT of the OS, including a background anywhere you want it (lock screen or behind launcher) which at least wasn't true as of when I stopped using iOS over a year ago.

While iOS and Android both have a very active root/jailbreak community, unrooted/unjailbroken the Andoird phones have about a laundry list of features iOS flatout doesn't support.

\Sticking to unrooted/jailbroken features I missed a lot when I had an iPhone.
 
2011-03-18 06:54:59 PM

Quantumbunny: GreySpectre: iOS is the closed operating system. If I want to write my own program for my iphone and run it I cannot without apple's approval. You have to jailbreak the phone to do that, which regardless of how much time it takes is an extra step that should be unnecessary. I wish I could speak better for the other options but unfortunatly pretty much all current smartphones are closed. iPhones you have to jailbreak, android phones you have to root, neither step should be necessary.

Not that there aren't other reasons to root an Android phone... but you can install your own apps from any source without rooting. Unlike iOS.

You can also, again without rooting, support all sorts of file formats, direct drag and drop of files to your device.

You can also use any ringtone, notification, or alert sounds you want unlike the 6 options you have in iOS for anything other than a ringtone. And the ringtone can be mp3, ogg, anything your phone can play, and as long as you want, whatever size you want. It's not some strange ass mac specific format with limitations you have to use iTunes to create.

You can also customize a LOT of the OS, including a background anywhere you want it (lock screen or behind launcher) which at least wasn't true as of when I stopped using iOS over a year ago.

While iOS and Android both have a very active root/jailbreak community, unrooted/unjailbroken the Andoird phones have about a laundry list of features iOS flatout doesn't support.

\Sticking to unrooted/jailbroken features I missed a lot when I had an iPhone.


I don't actually have an android phone (wish I did). I still think they should just have a toggle switch and password that gives you root/jailbroken functionality integrated into he phone with a little warranty disclaimer.
 
2011-03-18 07:05:29 PM
So much market cap, so much cash on hand, and still so much more to gain. And sooo much more hate to incite.

Nice.
 
2011-03-18 07:27:44 PM

Oakenshield: So much market cap, so much cash on hand, and still so much more to gain. And sooo much more hate to incite.

Nice.


That's the thing windows people don't get, Apple already has the most prized market, Steve Jobs has never been about market domination.

That's why there are no cheap Macs being offered to try and catch any buyers possible.

Jobs has learned that other CEO's will try and put him out of business or at least do their best to marginalize Apple so they keep cash on hand for that kind of crap.

Apple keeps their product towards the premium end because they want their software to perform well and they also put a lot of thought into design.

One of the shortcomings of the Windows market is that companies who use Windows offer computers for sale that are often barely powerful to handle all of the software they have installed properly.

I don't know why the computer market still relies on the PC/Apple model to describe sales. It's become a more software based market since there basically three operating systems that dominate; Windows, OSX, and Linux. The hardware used is all the same these days.

These days most people choose between Windows and OSX when making a decision about which computer to buy. It's the software more than it is the hardware.

Apple gave up the PPC, they didn't have the resources to develop it on their own and IBM seemed to lose interest and the deal fell apart.

Apple has gotten into chip design for the mobile market though and are adapting chips to meet specific demands from the iPhone and iPad. The A4 and A5 Apple chips are built on ARM designs that Apple specialized for mobile use.

The closed operating system, as it's called, is a benefit for most users of the iPhone. Apple designs both the hardware and the software to optimize performance and battery life.

I doubt most Android phones share that development arrangement.
 
2011-03-18 07:30:25 PM

GreySpectre: OSX itself is not a closed environment. You can write your own programs for it and run them just fine.


Not only that, Apple gives you the developer tools for free with the OS. It's pretty much the polar opposite of a closed environment.
 
2011-03-18 07:59:09 PM
DevideByZer0: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I just couldn't shake the closed iOS system and the "Apple has the reigns" approach to their software/hardware. That and the OSX Lion preview that showed what I and many predicted over a year ago; iOS creeping into OSX. That and I hate being locked into the iTunes ecosystem and have no desire to re-encode all my DVDs into an iTunes compatible format.

I've been using a Mac for 10 years now in one form or another and I have an iPhone as well. But I've never been able to pin down what it is I am missing in this closed environment I keep hearing people talk about.

What exactly is it that you can't do on a Mac because of this 'closed environment'?

What are all of these things that I can't do but haven't missed in 10 years.

I also have a Windows 7 laptop and it does exactly the same stuff that my iMac does, there is nothing I can do on my laptop that I can't do on my Mac.

On top of that, it takes 5 minutes to jailbreak the iPhone and there are no completely open smartphone OS's. I don't care what they advertise there are plenty of Apps that neither Google nor the carriers or service providers want you to have.


iOS is a helluva lot easier to jailbreak than Android is to root. I found that pretty ironic.
 
2011-03-18 08:46:56 PM

Oakenshield: So much market cap, so much cash on hand, and still so much more to gain. And sooo much more hate to incite.

Nice.


i44.tinypic.com

You can tell a fanboy has nothing when he talks about the stock.
 
2011-03-18 08:56:39 PM
Jebus, the way the hordes of fanboys pop out of the woodwork every time theres an Apple thread, you'd think it was more like 48%.
 
2011-03-18 10:04:35 PM
991.com

I know, "Big in Japan" is on Mule Variations. But there's no relevant pics out there.
 
2011-03-18 10:32:51 PM
Didn't we already know the Swiss like working quietly with Nazis?
 
2011-03-18 11:30:38 PM

AcneVulgaris: iOS is a helluva lot easier to jailbreak than Android is to root. I found that pretty ironic.


1/10

Really weak attempt.
 
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