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(Huffington Post)   And the latest strategy being tried to get creationism taught in schools?... calling it 'non-evolution'   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 444
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2011-03-17 05:19:28 PM
That's the perfect name for their line of thought and their subscribers.
 
2011-03-17 05:24:00 PM
FTFA: "Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" Wise asked

Do you know how I know that you don't know the first damned thing about the theory of evolution? And this guy used to be a teacher, for chrissakes.
 
2011-03-17 05:30:15 PM
I'm all for teaching alternative theories to evolution that are in line with the Scientific Method and have a scientific basis. In fact, I would say there is a vital need to teach such methods, if they existed with any scientific credibility.

But pretending that your theistic model, or attempt at scrubbing it by calling it "intelligent" is just thought laundering and should be unlawful
 
2011-03-17 05:43:10 PM
"Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" Wise asked during an interview with the Tampa's WMNF.

...is this guy just trolling the entire state?

He can't possibly be serious, can he? I mean, this is, word-for-word, the stereotypical stupid argument.
 
2011-03-17 05:51:43 PM
The part that still amazes me is the way the uninformed or just plain stupid throw the word theory in to question the validity. Gravity is just a theory as well, science does not understand all of the nuances, yet no one does not believe it exists.

The same with evolution not every part is understood but not one biologist does not believe it occurred and continues to occur. Easy solution to the argument all the people that do not understand evolution occurred should not see a MD or ever get a flu shot (the vaccine is evolved every year).
 
2011-03-17 06:31:45 PM
How about just calling it "non-science".
 
2011-03-17 06:45:01 PM
mmemes.com
 
2011-03-17 10:07:21 PM
eurotrader: The part that still amazes me is the way the uninformed or just plain stupid throw the word theory in to question the validity. Gravity is just a theory as well, science does not understand all of the nuances, yet no one does not believe it exists.

Jack Chick, a very influential author of religious comics during his life, once claimed that Jesus held atoms together. I shiat you not. There are undoubtedly lots of people that believe objects only fall to the ground because Jesus puts them there.
 
2011-03-17 10:16:35 PM
Two evolution threads in one day?!

How will Bevets keep up?
 
2011-03-17 10:26:59 PM
jekxrb: Two evolution threads in one day?!

How will Bevets keep up?


It doesn't take much energy (or thought) to just cut and paste.
 
2011-03-17 10:28:16 PM
I see Creationism has evolved again.
 
2011-03-17 10:41:06 PM
According to his legislation, public school teachers would have to "teach a thorough presentation and critical analysis of the scientific theory of evolution" to students.

Repeat thread is a repeat
 
2011-03-17 10:59:27 PM
Oh FFS. Just to add to the dogpile...

From TFA: "Why would you not teach both theories at the same time?" Wise, chairman of the Senate Education Committee, said

~snip~

And, you know, there's more than one theory on this thing. And the theory is evolution, the other one is intelligent design."


Because only one of them (that would be the Theory of Evolution, for those of you keeping score at home) is a scientific theory, and that is what gets taught in science class. Why is this very very simple concept so f*cking hard for people to understand?

/as a casual aside only somewhat related, Not Exactly Rocket Science has a really good write up of new studies from the LTEE showing even more direct observation of evolution in the lab
//only tangentially related, but I know some of you might find it interesting
 
2011-03-17 11:29:01 PM
I am really losing patience with this shiat.
 
2011-03-17 11:30:03 PM
t's "quite literally, an embarrassment for our state," Haught told the Tribune.

And that's saying something.
 
2011-03-18 12:09:50 AM
Teaching kids both and letting them decide on their own is fine. Teach the science in school, teach the creationism in church. It's not a difficult concept. Most churches have Sunday School every week, Vacation Bible school during the summer and, at least in some areas, a weekly bible study. Over the course of 12 years or so that's more than enough time to slip in "We exist because God put us here."

No matter how much you try to dress it up as science, creationism is NOT scientific and has no place in science curriculum. Also, what right do you have to force your religious dogma on my kids just because your faith is so weak that you feel threatened by having yourself or your children exposed to any belief system that isn't in lockstep with your own?
 
2011-03-18 12:53:13 AM
Great. Another f*cking thread about this sh*t.

Who here really supports it?

Why are we wasting time what some idiots in Texas are doing? F*ck 'em.
 
2011-03-18 12:55:50 AM

Bevets: According to his legislation, public school teachers would have to "teach a thorough presentation and critical analysis of the scientific theory of evolution" to students.

Repeat thread is a repeat


Robot commenter repeats
 
2011-03-18 12:57:38 AM

whidbey: Great. Another f*cking thread about this sh*t.

Who here really supports it?

Why are we wasting time what some idiots in Texas are doing? F*ck 'em.


Well, "Most People Believe In Reality" won't get many page views
 
2011-03-18 12:58:32 AM
I support the teaching of intelligent design in schools. Here, let me show you how to teach it.

"The theory of evolution is the current scientific theory explaining the diversity of life. Some people believe it is random chance, others that it is guided by a higher being or force. However, that concept is at this time impossible to prove scientifically, so we are ignoring it for the sake of this class."

There. DONE.
 
2011-03-18 12:58:39 AM

Sleeping Monkey: How about just calling it "non-science".


How about just calling it nonsense.
 
2011-03-18 12:59:57 AM

whidbey: Great. Another f*cking thread about this sh*t.

Who here really supports it?


You mean right now, or on all of Fark? Because I'm sure you know a certain Steve B. supports it.
 
2011-03-18 01:00:12 AM

Notabunny: Well, "Most People Believe In Reality" won't get many page views


I think we should submit a bunch of articles about Rand Paul and at the end of the headline add "How do you like THOSE apples, Drew?

/does Drew get e-mails about threads where he's mentioned?
//:D
 
2011-03-18 01:01:27 AM

whidbey: Great. Another f*cking thread about this sh*t.

Who here really supports it?

Why are we wasting time what some idiots in Texas are doing? F*ck 'em.


A) Florida.

B) A few non-idiots do live in Texas. There's about a dozen of us, we all know each other.
 
2011-03-18 01:02:19 AM

Mara See Mara Do: A few non-idiots do live in Texas. There's about a dozen of us, we all know each other.


In Austin?
 
2011-03-18 01:02:57 AM
Don't these people have churches that have bible study? They can have all day Genesis classes for all ages. As long as it's on the weekend. Some of these fundie churches are gigantic and you tell me there is no time or space to do this? They have to have done on the public dime? Just another misuse of my tax dollars.
 
2011-03-18 01:03:28 AM

Mara See Mara Do: whidbey: Great. Another f*cking thread about this sh*t.

Who here really supports it?

Why are we wasting time what some idiots in Texas are doing? F*ck 'em.

A) Florida.

B) A few non-idiots do live in Texas. There's about a dozen of us, we all know each other.


Kinda hard not to know each other, when the cops keep putting you all in the same Emergency Room every weekend.
 
2011-03-18 01:04:40 AM

CoffeeCup: You mean right now, or on all of Fark? Because I'm sure you know a certain Steve B. supports it.


So we're doing it for 1/200000th of the Fark demographic?

Somehow StevieB doesn't strike me as a huge financial donor to Fark's infrastructure to warrant such special treatment...
 
2011-03-18 01:04:46 AM

Transkaren: I support the teaching of intelligent design in schools. Here, let me show you how to teach it.

"The theory of evolution is the current scientific theory explaining the diversity of life. Some people believe it is random chance, others that it is guided by a higher being or force. However, that concept is at this time impossible to prove scientifically, so we are ignoring it for the sake of this class."

There. DONE.


Know how I know you're not a teacher? ;)

Honestly, I sympathize with you. But teachers don't teach anymore, silly! They work off of an approved curriculum. And they are evaluated by how well their students do on standardized tests.

So you'd be soon out of a job, injecting creativity and personal opinions into the classroom like that.
 
2011-03-18 01:05:05 AM
FTFA: In 2009, Wise mounted a failed effort more specifically focused on teaching intelligent design in public schools. Wise told the Tribune this week, however, that he believes the state Legislature's growing conservative makeup could pave a way for the bill's successful passage this time around.

I love how conservative is code for retarded now. It makes everything so much easier.
 
2011-03-18 01:06:07 AM

unyon: FTFA: "Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" Wise asked

Do you know how I know that you don't know the first damned thing about the theory of evolution? And this guy used to be a teacher, for chrissakes.


See, this is what pisses me off.

"Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" has been answered every single time its been asked. We know why there are still apes if we descended by apes, if these clowns actually did any research, they wouldn't be asking the same stupid question over and over and over and over and over again.

They'd know that we are not descended by modern apes, they are "cousins" not "parents." We share a common ancestor with other species that also fall under the classification of apes. Furthermore, human beings are classified as apes.

It's just a stunning display of ignorance when they ask a question that has been rebuked several times already. But they refuse to learn. These retarded creationists ask the same questions to challenge evolution each and every time.
 
2011-03-18 01:06:23 AM
God I hate this state...why am I trying to become a teacher here? I guess they can't mess with physics too much.

/no, don't tell me how they can mess with physics
//please don't
 
2011-03-18 01:07:03 AM
"Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" Wise asked during an interview with the Tampa's WMNF.

First: You are a primate. This has been accepted since a creationist scientist first figured out what primates were hundreds of years ago. You didn't 'come' from an ape, you are one.

Second: To take your question literally, the most recent ancestor we share with other primates went extinct a long time ago. Just because one primate eventually evolved in to a human doesn't mean all primates did or eventually would.

Did all canidae evolve in to golden retrievers? Why are there a bunch of different types of animals we call felid?

"And those are the kind of questions kids need to ask themselves. You know, 'How did we get here?' And, you know, there's more than one theory on this thing. And the theory is evolution, the other one is intelligent design."

No actually intelligent design or 'non-evolution' are not alternative theories. In order to be accepted as a theory there would need to be mountains of independently verifiable evidence that can be repeatedly shown to be true. Must have missed the Behe court case where one of the leading proponents of intelligent design was shown to have zero scientific basis for any of it.
 
2011-03-18 01:07:17 AM

hawcian: /no, don't tell me how they can mess with physics
//please don't


Well see, according to a great philosopher, Aristotle...
 
2011-03-18 01:09:53 AM

whidbey: Why are we wasting time what some idiots in Texas are doing? F*ck 'em.


Because the idiots in Texas have their creationist hands on our textbooks.
 
2011-03-18 01:10:20 AM

whidbey:
So we're doing it for 1/200000th of the Fark demographic?

Somehow StevieB doesn't strike me as a huge financial donor to Fark's infrastructure to warrant such special treatment...


Hey you asked, you didn't say it had to be a particularly large number of people. Plus, he does have a way of drawing a lot of people to a thread with very little effort on his part.
 
2011-03-18 01:11:38 AM

hawcian: God I hate this state...why am I trying to become a teacher here? I guess they can't mess with physics too much.

/no, don't tell me how they can mess with physics
//please don't


Well, gravity is just a theory... (new window)
 
2011-03-18 01:13:24 AM
StopLurkListen: Honestly, I sympathize with you. But teachers don't teach anymore, silly! They work off of an approved curriculum. And they are evaluated by how well their students do on standardized tests.

So you'd be soon out of a job, injecting creativity and personal opinions into the classroom like that.


Posts like these remind me of how happy I am to be a high school biology teacher and to NOT be teaching in the USA (equal parts the ID nonsense and the teach-to-the-test nonsense, as well as all the other crap teachers there have to put up with).
 
2011-03-18 01:14:43 AM

mamoru: Posts like these remind me of how happy I am to be a high school biology teacher and to NOT be teaching in the USA (equal parts the ID nonsense and the teach-to-the-test nonsense, as well as all the other crap teachers there have to put up with).


For that matter, I can't imagine being a teacher here in the USA where I might be inclined to mention climate change in a class, either.
 
2011-03-18 01:17:57 AM
Wouldn't Anti-evolution be more apropos?
 
2011-03-18 01:18:15 AM

gimmegimme: Robot commenter repeats


A line of strong thunderstorms
 
2011-03-18 01:18:21 AM
Before i begin i would like to say bevets to all of you.

Now that is out of the way i share with you the easiest way to read any political article.

From the article, Only Quotes:

"non-evolution."

"teach a thorough presentation and critical analysis of the scientific theory of evolution"

"Why would you not teach both theories at the same time?"

"You have critical thinking in school,"

"You can have critical analysis of everything, but the idea that you should single out evolution for critical analysis is problematic,"

"quite literally, an embarrassment for our state,"

"Why do we still have apes if we came from them?"

"And those are the kind of questions kids need to ask themselves. You know, 'How did we get here?' And, you know, there's more than one theory on this thing. And the theory is evolution, the other one is intelligent design."

The End.

And this guy is the chairman of the Senate Education Committee.
AHAHAAHAHHAHAH
oh, i live there.
 
2011-03-18 01:18:23 AM
what a 'Florida GOP State Senator Stephen Wise' might look like...

patdollard.com

//obsure?
 
2011-03-18 01:19:30 AM
heinekenftw: Because the idiots in Texas have their creationist hands on our textbooks.

Speaking of textbooks, if any other biology teachers are looking for a good book for your high school biology classes, I've found "Essentials of the Living World" by George B. Johnson to be really well done. On the topic of education and biology, it treats evolution as the fundamental unifying theory of all of biology that it is, rather than just giving it a brief once-over in one chapter.

Yeah, it has unit focusing on evolution and how it is studied and tested, but it also starts off with an intro to evolution and keeps it as the underlying theme throughout the entire book.

Anyway, you could do much worse than look into that book (and that goes to anyone who wants to learn some biology; not just teachers. It's written really well and is good for any lay-person to brush up their understanding) for your classes.

/not affiliated with the author or publisher in any way
//just happy that I've finally found a really good book for my classes, and so don't have to build the entire class piecemeal from all over
 
2011-03-18 01:19:39 AM

Relatively Obscure: "Why do we still have apes if we came from them?" Wise asked during an interview with the Tampa's WMNF.

...is this guy just trolling the entire state?

He can't possibly be serious, can he? I mean, this is, word-for-word, the stereotypical stupid argument.


Why do we still have lions, with house cats around?
 
2011-03-18 01:20:15 AM
This is why I never went to public school.
 
2011-03-18 01:21:04 AM

hawcian: God I hate this state...why am I trying to become a teacher here? I guess they can't mess with physics too much.

/no, don't tell me how they can mess with physics
//please don't


The fact that you want to become a teacher in a State that has one of the lowest teacher salaries and education budgets in the nation, school boards and administrations that bend to the will of local politics, and has recently passed "merit pay" speaks more of your yourself than any attempts of the State legislature to further ruin education in Florida..

Get a BS in Physics and go to grad school. You'll be making as much as a starting teacher anyhow, might as well get an advanced degree.
 
2011-03-18 01:21:12 AM
"There's more than one theory on this thing. And the theory is evolution, the other one is intelligent design."


The difference is that one is a SCIENTIFIC theory, and the other one is a completely unsubstantiated religious BELIEF -- one that wouldn't last for a single minute of the scientific scrutiny that evolution has been exposed to for decades. If you don't know the f*cking difference, numb-nuts, then you shouldn't be speaking in public about science.
 
2011-03-18 01:21:28 AM

Notabunny: whidbey: Great. Another f*cking thread about this sh*t.

Who here really supports it?

Why are we wasting time what some idiots in Texas are doing? F*ck 'em.

Well, "Most People Believe In Reality" won't get many page views


Something to do with big states and text book standards.
 
2011-03-18 01:21:33 AM

El Chode: I'm all for teaching alternative theories to evolution that are in line with the Scientific Method and have a scientific basis. In fact, I would say there is a vital need to teach such methods, if they existed with any scientific credibility.

But pretending that your theistic model, or attempt at scrubbing it by calling it "intelligent" is just thought laundering and should be unlawful


^THIS^

I would like to test a theory about life with the absence of God as a control. Therefore validating the theory of creation. As soon as some one can come up with that test, I will gladly accept their theory. Until then, it is only a hypothesis and a poorly thought one at that.
 
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