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2011-03-15 08:57:49 PM  
Anyone believe this is the first time LE has partaken in illegal drug importation?
 
2011-03-15 09:01:13 PM  
Well, that's awkward
 
2011-03-15 09:05:36 PM  
They still have rope, don't they?
 
2011-03-15 09:38:14 PM  
God, the DEA is the biggest sack of bullsh*t in this country.
 
2011-03-15 11:10:21 PM  
There's no bullet shortage is there?
 
2011-03-16 12:43:13 AM  
So they're alleging that Georgia smuggled the drugs in to the country?

More proof that the government is just hired thugs for the richest of the rich.
 
2011-03-16 12:53:41 AM  
This is clearly another example of the overreach of the Obama Administration to save the worthless life of some subhuman creature through the use of draconian Fourth Amendment averting remedies.

/clearly
 
2011-03-16 01:25:31 AM  
Truesdell declined further comment, saying it is now "a regulatory investigation."

Don't ask questions, citizen, just pay the bills.
Too bad the state doesn't have some kind of secure facility to keep their drugs in.
 
2011-03-16 02:33:49 AM  

doglover: They still have rope, don't they?


Done in three.
 
2011-03-16 02:37:18 AM  

lajimi: Truesdell declined further comment, saying it is now "a regulatory investigation."

Don't ask questions, citizen, just pay the bills.
Too bad the state doesn't have some kind of secure facility to keep their drugs in.



When federal agents with search warrants come knocking at your door, it won't end well if you tell them to get off your lawn and go away. Especially if you're LE.

/ There's got to be a few ropes and some tall trees around.
// Have the local high school wood shop build a gallows.
///problem solved
 
2011-03-16 02:37:23 AM  
Your tax dollars hard at work, real 'Mericans.
 
2011-03-16 02:43:40 AM  

JackalRabbit: doglover: They still have rope, don't they?

Done in three.

 
2011-03-16 02:46:46 AM  
I don't get why people against this action. Why should the state get off the hook if they important a scheduled substance illegally? The article from February linked describes a fairly shady procurement procedure.

From the prior article
Correction wired Dream Pharma $340.41 on July 21 for 50 vials of thiopental to be shipped to the Georgia Diagnostic and Classification Prison in Jackson, which is the location of Death Row. According to the attorney, Corrections documents show the invoice and the shipping label "identified the contents as 'pharmaceuticals not restricted.'"

Really directly ship a controlled substance in to a place not registered to import them and also mislabel the package states they aren't restricted when they are? Of course they are going to confiscate that.
 
2011-03-16 02:47:06 AM  

OnlyM3: Anyone believe this is the first time LE has partaken in illegal drug importation?


Done in one
 
2011-03-16 03:00:06 AM  
I believe this all came to a head when a condemned prisoner was given imported thiopental that apparently was not at the concentration stated on the bottle. The execution was botched because it was believed the prisoner died an excruciating death with the injection of the potassium chloride that should have been injected after the prisoner was knocked unconscious from the thiopental.
 
2011-03-16 03:14:57 AM  
Good.

The rest of the civilized world has banned the death sentence. Only one single free country left practices it, and rarely (less than once a year).

The rest of the world has decided that execution is morally and legally wrong and are going to force the USA to stop and there is nothing the US can do about it thanks to our own inability to produce our own goods.
 
2011-03-16 03:15:51 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is clearly another example of the overreach of the Obama Administration to save the worthless life of some subhuman creature through the use of draconian Fourth Amendment averting remedies.

/clearly


IT NIXON, YOU DOLT!
 
2011-03-16 03:23:13 AM  

electronicmaji: Good.

The rest of the civilized world has banned the death sentence. Only one single free country left practices it, and rarely (less than once a year).

The rest of the world has decided that execution is morally and legally wrong and are going to force the USA to stop and there is nothing the US can do about it thanks to our own inability to produce our own goods.


unfortunately, we as bootstrappy 'mericans insist on snubbing our collective noses at the rest of the 'civilized world' regardless of their socialist pinko commie notions of 'justice'.
 
2011-03-16 03:34:48 AM  
So what? I'll bet they still have Clorox. Just fill 'em up with that.
 
2011-03-16 03:35:06 AM  
addendum...i live in metro atlanta and have drawn quite a bit of ire in my criminal justice classes pertaining to my views of the death penalty. the thinking goes like this; do some people deserve to die for their transgressions? possibly, but is that another humans purview to determine what is ultimately the height of punishments? considering the inexcusable amount of exonerated cases, based on DNA evidence and recanted testimony alone, that have released innocent people from our pathetic 'justice system,' it's personally galling to even imagine we still put people to death. we're supposed to be better than that i thought.
/atheist
//stop killing people
 
2011-03-16 03:39:50 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is clearly another example of the overreach of the Obama Administration to save the worthless life of some subhuman creature through the use of draconian Fourth Amendment averting remedies.

/clearly


My initial reaction was "Seizing the contested batch because there were QUESTIONS about the legality of acquisition / shipping? That's not constitutional."

Then I was like "Wait, government has no constitutional protection against unreasonable search and seizure from other governmental arms. NelsonHAHA. How you like dem apples, left arm? Right arm is here to beat you to shiat."
 
2011-03-16 03:42:36 AM  

irreverent reverend: addendum...i live in metro atlanta and have drawn quite a bit of ire in my criminal justice classes pertaining to my views of the death penalty. the thinking goes like this; do some people deserve to die for their transgressions? possibly, but is that another humans purview to determine what is ultimately the height of punishments? considering the inexcusable amount of exonerated cases, based on DNA evidence and recanted testimony alone, that have released innocent people from our pathetic 'justice system,' it's personally galling to even imagine we still put people to death. we're supposed to be better than that i thought.
/atheist
//stop killing people


Just say "You know what the difference between Nifong, of Duke Rape Case fame, and most capital prosecutors is?"

When they say "What?"

You say "Nifong got caught."

And if that doesn't at least make them think, go for the "It's an absolute punishment you can't take back. If it later comes out that the man was innocent all along, what do you do then? If you're a prosecutor you just focus on the next guy you're trying to have murdered."
 
2011-03-16 03:53:12 AM  

inthrees: irreverent reverend: addendum...i live in metro atlanta and have drawn quite a bit of ire in my criminal justice classes pertaining to my views of the death penalty. the thinking goes like this; do some people deserve to die for their transgressions? possibly, but is that another humans purview to determine what is ultimately the height of punishments? considering the inexcusable amount of exonerated cases, based on DNA evidence and recanted testimony alone, that have released innocent people from our pathetic 'justice system,' it's personally galling to even imagine we still put people to death. we're supposed to be better than that i thought.
/atheist
//stop killing people

Just say "You know what the difference between Nifong, of Duke Rape Case fame, and most capital prosecutors is?"

When they say "What?"

You say "Nifong got caught."

And if that doesn't at least make them think, go for the "It's an absolute punishment you can't take back. If it later comes out that the man was innocent all along, what do you do then? If you're a prosecutor you just focus on the next guy you're trying to have murdered."


you speak a profound and sadly unfortunate truth. we could wax all night about the vagaries of the criminal justice system, but killing anyone out of some perverse sense of retribution...yeah, revenge, not justice...should be readily abhorrent to anyone with a functioning conscience. not to threadjack into a pointlessly semantic political debate, but does *anyone* think the gov't is qualified to determine who lives and dies?
/shut up about death panels and wars, you know what i mean
 
2011-03-16 03:55:47 AM  
"electronicmaji 2011-03-16 03:14:57 AM
Good.

The rest of the civilized world has banned the death sentence. Only one single free country left practices it, and rarely (less than once a year).

The rest of the world has decided that execution is morally and legally wrong and are going to force the USA to stop and there is nothing the US can do about it thanks to our own inability to produce our own goods."


I'm sorry, I believe china sentenced some people to death over the 2007 pet food scandal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/22/china-milk-scandal-2-get-_n_159908.htm l

Please go elsewhere and make stuff up.
 
2011-03-16 03:56:32 AM  
Milk, not pet.
 
2011-03-16 03:58:31 AM  
Killing is giving them the easy way out, lets let them suffer for the rest of their waking lives, thinking about what they did and why it was wrong. Removing them gives them a quick exit.
 
2011-03-16 04:00:03 AM  

Kimet: "electronicmaji 2011-03-16 03:14:57 AM
Good.

The rest of the civilized world has banned the death sentence. Only one single free country left practices it, and rarely (less than once a year).

The rest of the world has decided that execution is morally and legally wrong and are going to force the USA to stop and there is nothing the US can do about it thanks to our own inability to produce our own goods."


I'm sorry, I believe china sentenced some people to death over the 2007 pet food scandal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/22/china-milk-scandal-2-get-_n_159908.htm l

Please go elsewhere and make stuff up.

/ahem
 
2011-03-16 04:09:52 AM  

irreverent reverend: inthrees: irreverent reverend: addendum...i live in metro atlanta and have drawn quite a bit of ire in my criminal justice classes pertaining to my views of the death penalty. the thinking goes like this; do some people deserve to die for their transgressions? possibly, but is that another humans purview to determine what is ultimately the height of punishments? considering the inexcusable amount of exonerated cases, based on DNA evidence and recanted testimony alone, that have released innocent people from our pathetic 'justice system,' it's personally galling to even imagine we still put people to death. we're supposed to be better than that i thought.
/atheist
//stop killing people

Just say "You know what the difference between Nifong, of Duke Rape Case fame, and most capital prosecutors is?"

When they say "What?"

You say "Nifong got caught."

And if that doesn't at least make them think, go for the "It's an absolute punishment you can't take back. If it later comes out that the man was innocent all along, what do you do then? If you're a prosecutor you just focus on the next guy you're trying to have murdered."

you speak a profound and sadly unfortunate truth. we could wax all night about the vagaries of the criminal justice system, but killing anyone out of some perverse sense of retribution...yeah, revenge, not justice...should be readily abhorrent to anyone with a functioning conscience. not to threadjack into a pointlessly semantic political debate, but does *anyone* think the gov't is qualified to determine who lives and dies?
/shut up about death panels and wars, you know what i mean


I highlighted the part I disagree with. We have a "Legal System". There's no justice in what they do. It's designed to fark people, "all legal-like".
 
2011-03-16 04:22:48 AM  
inthrees
i completely agree, but that's still what the powers that be call it. pedantic propaganda perhaps (yay alliteration), but splitting semantic hairs over the tragic miscarriage of...not even a vague notion of 'justice;' but simple right v. wrong obfuscates the issue. we, as a collective whole, in the 21st century...continue to comply with state-sanctioned murder. people rightfully flip their shiat when stalin did it. when mao did it. when countless other despots and dictators and tyrants did it. but we're 'MERICA by gawd, so it's ok.
/for the love of all that's holy don't get me started on the drug war
 
2011-03-16 04:27:58 AM  
Maybe 15 layers of law enforcement is overdoing it. Prison and Law Enforcement Racketeering for the win.
 
2011-03-16 04:29:39 AM  

Kimet: I'm sorry, I believe china sentenced some people to death over the 2007 pet food scandal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/22/china-milk-scandal-2-get-_n_159908.htm l

Please go elsewhere and make stuff up.


Yeah, that's some fine company on your side of that particular fence. Are you really sure you want to stand with them on this?

/Seen the list of countries that execute children? That's a fun group of crazy you're lumped in with.
//Still can't wrap my head around the cognitive dissonance required to insist that "all life is sacred, even in the womb" and "the government is inept in all things it does" while also believing that the government should have the right to take a life in vengeance for another.
///and "Eye for an eye" was a LIMITATION, not an instruction!
 
2011-03-16 04:32:55 AM  

ghost_who_walks: Kimet: I'm sorry, I believe china sentenced some people to death over the 2007 pet food scandal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/22/china-milk-scandal-2-get-_n_159908.htm l

Please go elsewhere and make stuff up.

Yeah, that's some fine company on your side of that particular fence. Are you really sure you want to stand with them on this?

/Seen the list of countries that execute children? That's a fun group of crazy you're lumped in with.
//Still can't wrap my head around the cognitive dissonance required to insist that "all life is sacred, even in the womb" and "the government is inept in all things it does" while also believing that the government should have the right to take a life in vengeance for another.
///and "Eye for an eye" was a LIMITATION, not an instruction!


yeah....pretty much this
 
2011-03-16 04:40:13 AM  

irreverent reverend: inthrees
i completely agree, but that's still what the powers that be call it. pedantic propaganda perhaps (yay alliteration), but splitting semantic hairs over the tragic miscarriage of...not even a vague notion of 'justice;' but simple right v. wrong obfuscates the issue. we, as a collective whole, in the 21st century...continue to comply with state-sanctioned murder. people rightfully flip their shiat when stalin did it. when mao did it. when countless other despots and dictators and tyrants did it. but we're 'MERICA by gawd, so it's ok.
/for the love of all that's holy don't get me started on the drug war


You would be preaching to the choir, as it were.

I like you. If this were Deliverance, I'd leave you til last.
 
2011-03-16 04:48:50 AM  

inthrees: irreverent reverend: inthrees
i completely agree, but that's still what the powers that be call it. pedantic propaganda perhaps (yay alliteration), but splitting semantic hairs over the tragic miscarriage of...not even a vague notion of 'justice;' but simple right v. wrong obfuscates the issue. we, as a collective whole, in the 21st century...continue to comply with state-sanctioned murder. people rightfully flip their shiat when stalin did it. when mao did it. when countless other despots and dictators and tyrants did it. but we're 'MERICA by gawd, so it's ok.
/for the love of all that's holy don't get me started on the drug war

You would be preaching to the choir, as it were.

I like you. If this were Deliverance, I'd leave you til last.


sadly ironic that, considering i live less than 5 minutes from the chattahoochee river.
/not the part where the movie was filmed
//are those....banjos i hear??
 
2011-03-16 05:41:11 AM  
If the inmate is worried about the quality of the sedative in the three-drug cocktail just skip the sedative and make it a two-drug cocktail. Problem solved.

Personally I think they should do lethal injection with a massive herion overdose.
 
2011-03-16 06:02:47 AM  

irreverent reverend: [...] killing anyone out of some perverse sense of retribution...yeah, revenge, not justice...should be readily abhorrent to anyone with a functioning conscience.


Try to buy or borrow a clue about the meaning and purpose of the criminal justice system before posting such pathetic dribble!

The underlying premise of our criminal justice system is that private revenge is messy, grossly unequal, and prone to grievous error due to amateur lynch mobs acting with extreme emotion.

Institutionalized retribution is the inherent bedrock PURPOSE of the criminal justice system. The motto should be:
We've Got Your Revenge


We use professional police, attorneys, and judges with no personal involvement in the case to be sure we get the best result possible that is not clouded by a victim's mentality. If this is abhorrent to you then I suggest YOU are the one without a functioning conscience, or at least an inability to understand that the alternative is not a lack of revenge, but rather a return to lynch mobs and honor killings.

Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!
 
2011-03-16 06:26:28 AM  
Serves the bastards right. To prison with the who GA legislature. Yes you too Sir who voted to outlaw bath salts and mint.

/Atl
 
2011-03-16 06:47:27 AM  

inthrees: And if that doesn't at least make them think, go for the "It's an absolute punishment you can't take back. If it later comes out that the man was innocent all along, what do you do then? If you're a prosecutor you just focus on the next guy you're trying to have murdered."


I have heard a single argument that I think might justify the death penalty in a small number of cases:

If you get rid of it, then they know that you'll never kill them. If they're in jail, then you either have to place them in supermax-style solitary, or else know that some of the worst will prey on other people as often as possible because there is no death penalty that they need to worry about.

So if someone is incarcerated, and continues to try and do terrible things to other people, going out of their way to, then maybe consider offing them instead of paying for them to sit in supermax for the rest of their lives.
 
2011-03-16 07:08:18 AM  

irreverent reverend: addendum...i live in metro atlanta and have drawn quite a bit of ire in my criminal justice classes pertaining to my views of the death penalty. the thinking goes like this; do some people deserve to die for their transgressions? possibly, but is that another humans purview to determine what is ultimately the height of punishments? considering the inexcusable amount of exonerated cases, based on DNA evidence and recanted testimony alone, that have released innocent people from our pathetic 'justice system,' it's personally galling to even imagine we still put people to death. we're supposed to be better than that i thought.
/atheist
//stop killing people


So reform the justice system. Nobody deserves to serve a second in jail or prison if they're not guilty. OTOH, some people should be executed (after a fair trial).
 
2011-03-16 07:17:33 AM  

rev. dave: Serves the bastards right. To prison with the who GA legislature. Yes you too Sir who voted to outlaw bath salts and mint.

/Atl


Mint? Wth?
 
2011-03-16 07:41:38 AM  
FTA:
But thiopental, the sedative, has been in short supply nationwide because companies in this country and abroad have refused to provide it if it is going to be used in an execution.

But apparently the company which makes the drugs that actualy do the killing, have no problem supplying them if they are going to be used for an execution? It's just the sedative company that says "If you are going to execute convicted criminals, there is no way we want them to be relaxed first"
 
2011-03-16 07:42:35 AM  
Perhaps much of this controversy could be resolved if the state would just execute murderers in a manner similar to the methods used on their victims. Murderers will not be hindered in any way by a foreign country's refusal to make an execution drug for us and our country's exceedingly dim-witted justice department can rely on criminals to provide the innovation necessary to keep the execution department functional.

I hope this helps.
 
2011-03-16 07:43:05 AM  
Of course, they could just take a cheaper path and switch to hemp...

www.opposingviews.com
 
2011-03-16 07:47:48 AM  

Happy Hours: So reform the justice system. Nobody deserves to serve a second in jail or prison if they're not guilty. OTOH, some people should be executed (after a fair trial).


Agreed. But, until we manage to do that...?
 
2011-03-16 08:19:35 AM  

TheWhoppah: If the inmate is worried about the quality of the sedative in the three-drug cocktail just skip the sedative and make it a two-drug cocktail. Problem solved.

Personally I think they should do lethal injection with a massive herion overdose.


Do you also have to lift your knuckles when you walk?
 
2011-03-16 08:21:52 AM  

inthrees: Just say "You know what the difference between Nifong, of Duke Rape Case fame, and most capital prosecutors is?"


A few rich kids at Duke didnt take down a capital prosecutor.
 
2011-03-16 10:45:29 AM  
Yep, THAT'S CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!

GA should go old school and use a firing squad...unless the DEA has concerns regarding the potential for lead poisoning.
 
2011-03-16 11:33:42 AM  
It's far far past time to forever end murder by the state.

The civilized world has stopped this barbarism, it's well beyond time for us to stop it too.

And if it takes the DEA seizing the poison Georgia wants to use to commit cold-blooded, premeditated murder, then it's the first time in history the DEA has done anything to justify their pathetic existence, but I still have to applaud them for it.
 
2011-03-16 11:37:25 AM  

sethstorm: inthrees: Just say "You know what the difference between Nifong, of Duke Rape Case fame, and most capital prosecutors is?"

A few rich kids at Duke didnt take down a capital prosecutor.


That's because the odds of a few rich kids at Duke being charged with capital anything are infinitesimal. Nifong's major mistake was trying to treat some rich kids like the unwashed peasants. You know, most of us.
 
2011-03-16 01:39:00 PM  
Phil Moskowitz Quote 2011-03-16 04:27:58 AM

Maybe 15 layers of law enforcement is overdoing it. Prison and Law Enforcement Racketeering for the win.


>>>

What else are they going to do? Go after street gangs and organized crime? Then who would scare the middle class for the next election cycle? And what would these tax drains do if they didn't go after everybody else under the sun, get real jobs?
 
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