fatimcgee: monkeyman3875: ArthGuinness: fatimcgee: ArthGuinness: fatimcgee: OK, class, what did we learn today?

A: Don't dress like a freak and don't cut your hair like an idiot and people won't assume you're a fiend.

\No sympathy here
\\None
\\\Dress and act like a contributing member of society and you'll be treated like a contributing member of society

7/10. Too much spittle.

I don't troll, fool. Just saying what I feel...

So you feel like a retard?

It's hard to feel otherwise when you are a retard.

Keep calling me a retard, maybe I'll magically turn retarded...(rolls eyes)

You're getting awfully sensitive about your mental capacity, so I'll back off. Sorry about the Down's.

Anyway, your position can be summarized as: if you don't dress according to my arbitrary taste, you should be refused medical treatment. 'Tis curious how the damaged brain works.

Isildur: interstitialofficial: If you dress like an a-hole, people are going to play percentages and assume you are one. No one is going to stop and take time out of their lives to find out if you're really the nice boy your mother makes you out to be.

It's one thing if it puts people off in a social setting. In a professional setting, however, people have a responsibility to conduct themselves professionally. A person's haircut is not a valid diagnostic criterion. Bias is not a valid excuse for professional misconduct.

Not to mention, the "dressed like that, they were asking for it" argument rings some unpleasant-sounding bells.

Sure; but dressed like a slut and someone who makes me feel afraid on the street are two different things. If you dress like a thug, don't expect to get thanked for it. This is a side effect of a dysfunctional just-a-system (justice system). The only recourse provided in our society for justice is to be able to afford to live somewhere the bad people can't go. No other recourse is afforded us (that's why so many people signed home loans they could barely afford; they're that desperate to escape neighborhoods that are essentially prison yards). We're bound to express our frustration in other ways, and any way that comes along usually suffices. Hence, talk radio. No one thinks Beck is a level headed guy, or that Palin is a genius, but absolutely no one else will listen to our grievances without copping a self satisfied would be clever smirk and calling us racist. Hence, the tea party. If you want to have a locked down, psychotically capitalist, morbidly inflexible p.c. society, then expect pressure to escape in other ways. I have spoken.

Drakin020: Sorry but it's true.

If you see 2 men walk into a hospital....

I went to the doctors once for some bothersome health problems. Nothing serious enough to want to go to the ER - but some seriously disturbing issues that had been going on for a while that I decided to look into. At that time I was a single mom working my way through college. I had a short, neat hair cut, glasses, and wore jeans and a t-shirt to the appointment. While going through my symptoms, the doctor asked me if I smoked pot. I told her no. She proceeded to tell me that pot could kill me and she'd had a patient recently with a detached retina from smoking pot and that all my health problems were caused by my pot use. I told her again that I did not smoke pot. I continued trying to tell her why I was there. She said that she didn't have time for that, and that she wasn't just going to write me a scrip for pain pills anyway. I ended up leaving with nothing accomplished other than being told that smoking pot caused my problems and that I was fishing for pain pills.

Doctors don't just judge you if you look alternative, some of them are douche bags who shouldn't be doctors in the first place.

schubie: Punks Not Dead.

Yes he is.

Jesisaurus: I went to the doctors once for some bothersome health problems. Nothing serious enough to want to go to the ER - but some seriously disturbing issues that had been going on for a while that I decided to look into. At that time I was a single mom working my way through college. I had a short, neat hair cut, glasses, and wore jeans and a t-shirt to the appointment. While going through my symptoms, the doctor asked me if I smoked pot. I told her no. She proceeded to tell me that pot could kill me and she'd had a patient recently with a detached retina from smoking pot and that all my health problems were caused by my pot use. I told her again that I did not smoke pot. I continued trying to tell her why I was there. She said that she didn't have time for that, and that she wasn't just going to write me a scrip for pain pills anyway. I ended up leaving with nothing accomplished other than being told that smoking pot caused my problems and that I was fishing for pain pills.

Doctors don't just judge you if you look alternative, some of them are douche bags who shouldn't be doctors in the first place.

A woman dressed and with hair like a man and you think that is not "alternative"? Yeah..just like this guy in the article you went into the doctor appointment with an attitude to begin with and somehow fault the doctor for coping and attitude with you to.

altinos: I, and my ginger children, have souls.

Stolen from others, of course. We keep them in jars under the bed.

Haha, +1.

-or, alternatively-

SEE! LOOK! THE WHOLE FAMILY ONLY HAS ONE BED! FURTHER PROOF THESE PEOPLE ARE DEPRAVED LUNATICS!

Besides, everybody knows you have to keep souls in the freezer, duh!

Jesisaurus: Doctors don't just judge you if you look alternative, some of them are douche bags who shouldn't be doctors in the first place.

Exactly. I had a GF with serious sleep issues (as in she would stop breathing entirely). We tried to get her into a doctor, and all he would tell us is that he wasn't writing a script for meds.
All my GF kept repeating was that she didn't want any meds, she wanted to know the cause of it and what she could do about it, especially therapies that DIDN'T involve drugs.
All the doctor kept doing is accusing us of wanting drugs.

When we finally decided he wasn't going to help us and we were going to look for advice elsewhere, the guy said he was calling the cops and we could be arrested for "Doctor shopping" - whatever the hell that is - and that he would make sure we didn't get seen by anyone else in town.

Later we found the treatments for her symptoms didn't even remotely involve any addictive/abusable drugs in the first place.
Some people REALLY shouldn't be doctors.

vroomazoom: Yes. I am sure you honestly believe that individuals must dress professionally or expect to die

Ya, you probably do believe that. It isn't what was said, but you still believe it. It's a libtard trait.
How about this? Are your convictions worth more to you than taking a shower and putting on a farking hat to save your life? If so then you should go die somewhere now, this is not the right dimension of existence for you.

An ambulanceman called to his home asked his mother if Peter had taken drugs - then said he didn't need to go to hospital.

Ambulanceman: "Is he on drugs"
Answer: "No"
Ambulanceman: "Then he doesn't need to go to hospital"
Daily Fail conclusion: "Man dies because ambulanceman thinks he's a junkie"

CliChe Guevara: we could be arrested for "Doctor shopping" - whatever the hell that is

That's how Rush Limbaugh could get many prescriptions written for his drug addictions.

I guess that was the last of the Mohican.

/all this week
/veal, try it

I wonder when Oxycontin addicts will start to have an effect on drug-user stereotypes? I've known quite a few people who were hooked on oxy, and they all looked really clean cut.

My Peter never touched drugs and lived a healthy lifestyle.

Whatever works for you, works for me. He seriously looks like a young prince.

So most everything that that people that are in the hospital are self inflicted in some way.. From Lung cancer to heart ailments.. Should we have a "are you are responsible for your own ailment" test and not treat those that are?

What I have learned in this thread is that:

1) If you point out that people judge based on appearance, you're called a douchebag
2) Everyone has confirmed that people do judge based on appearance, and there's loads of empirical evidence tp support this
3) A snarky suggestion that conforming to society's norms to better ensure medical treatment (as per 1 or 2), means you're a douchebag.

Frankly, this is the tattoo argument over again. Yes, it sucks that people judge others because they have body art. Yes, it sucks that means employers are less likely to hire tattooed individuals for jobs not explicitly seen as 'non-creative'. ... and yes, it's unfair and closeminded of those individuals.

However, it's not only a fact, it's easily surmised if you're not already aware of it. So, you make the choice to get a tat, you're also knowingly making the choice to limit your career choices.

It's wonderful to live in a society where you have the freedom to do things like that, and it means - fair or not - you are also accepting the responsibility that goes with your choices.

That's what looking different will get you, whether it be employment, love, medical care, or anything else involving people.

And you KNOW this.

Just like the people in Japan; it's neither fair, nor their fault their houses got wiped out by earthquakes and/or tsunamis. At the same time, the had the choice to live elsewhere, and reduce those risks.

/ That aside, I'd rather be given medical care based on cold, objective bank account balances, rather than on race, creed, color, value to society, personal addictions or problems, etc.

Hoopido: Ya, you probably do believe that. It isn't what was said, but you still believe it. It's a libtard trait.

Oh. Perhaps I missunderstood and the argument. Maybe it isn't people who choose to deviate from convention should die. Continue, with your argument, sir.

How about this? Are your convictions worth more to you than taking a shower and putting on a farking hat to save your life? If so then you should go die somewhere now, this is not the right dimension of existence for you.

And how did I misunderstand the argument?

/not a liberal
//conservative dresser
///a hat? WTF?

fatimcgee:
\Yes, you have a right to be "unique" and "different"
\\But don't expect people to treat you like a Rhodes scholar when you look like a pot head

What a Rhodes scholar might look like:


What a pothead might look like:


Your judgements are ridiculous.

quietwalker: What I have learned in this thread is that:

1) If you point out that people judge based on appearance, you're called a douchebag
2) Everyone has confirmed that people do judge based on appearance, and there's loads of empirical evidence tp support this
3) A snarky suggestion that conforming to society's norms to better ensure medical treatment (as per 1 or 2), means you're a douchebag.

Frankly, this is the tattoo argument over again. Yes, it sucks that people judge others because they have body art. Yes, it sucks that means employers are less likely to hire tattooed individuals for jobs not explicitly seen as 'non-creative'. ... and yes, it's unfair and closeminded of those individuals.

However, it's not only a fact, it's easily surmised if you're not already aware of it. So, you make the choice to get a tat, you're also knowingly making the choice to limit your career choices.

It's wonderful to live in a society where you have the freedom to do things like that, and it means - fair or not - you are also accepting the responsibility that goes with your choices.

That's what looking different will get you, whether it be employment, love, medical care, or anything else involving people.

And you KNOW this.

Just like the people in Japan; it's neither fair, nor their fault their houses got wiped out by earthquakes and/or tsunamis. At the same time, the had the choice to live elsewhere, and reduce those risks.

/ That aside, I'd rather be given medical care based on cold, objective bank account balances, rather than on race, creed, color, value to society, personal addictions or problems, etc.

You hit the nail RIGHT on the head. I was going to post something similar, but you said it much better than I could.

Yeah, it's not right. Yeah, it's not "the way things oughta be". Does saying so make things change? Maybe, eventually, if enough people want to say it and convince enough people to believe it. Are you willing to risk your life over your freedom of expression when faced with #2? Then you're a better man than I. I know who I am. I know what I believe. I also don't give a crap if only I know it. If that means hiding behind a societal norm so that my life is easier, I'll take it. Life's tough enough as it is, just getting by. Putting on a "costume" when I have to interact with certain groups of people doesn't change who I am, just who people think I am. I'm okay with that.

ladyfortuna: Ignoring for a moment that this is coming from the Daily Fail, how the HELL do they not know how to treat the basic flu symptoms at home? The guy should have been tucked into bed drinking chicken soup every couple of hours, not out food shopping with his 'mum'. Rest and fluids, not shopping!

/Florence Nightingale wannabe

while i may not have attended the prestigious institute of internet medicine like you, i do have a masters in nursing from.vanderbilt and i know for a farking fact that chicken soup.is not going to cure bronchopneumonia. why don't you save your judgemental twattery for someone other than a poor kid who was allowed to die because of the way he looked? it happens everywher, even in the u.s. because jackasses like you but with actual degrees make treatment decisions based on morality and not clinical presentation. i despise lawyers but i hope some slimeball makes.millions for.this family.

fatimcgee: thurstonxhowell: fatimcgee: OK, class, what did we learn today?

A: Don't dress like a freak and don't cut your hair like an idiot and people won't assume you're a fiend.

\No sympathy here
\\None
\\\Dress and act like a contributing member of society and you'll be treated like a contributing member of society

I honestly hope that you don't see tomorrow.

Why's that? Because I live in reality and refuse to pretend that peoples choices (i.e.- the way they dress, the *bleep* they do to their stupid hair) doesn't have real life consequences?

\Yes, you have a right to be "unique" and "different"
\\But don't expect people to treat you like a Rhodes scholar when you look like a pot head

So only people who "look professional" are entitled to proper human decency, and those who dare to look/act/behave differently should all get out of the way and die? In what world would that be a viable method of governing? What if I decide that you do not look professional or otherwise decide that I don't like the way you look? Would you be willing to stand by your statement if it was your life on the line?

I Like Shiny Things: FTA: 'He loved punk music, it was his life but having a spikey haircut doesn't make you a drug abuser.'

Um, yah, it pretty much does.

That was a 'spikey' haircut? No, sorry. That was a 'Sid' haircut. If you have hair style like that, you definitely do drugs and you do NOT have a real job.

And no, a job at the local vinyl music store doesn't count. Gdamn punks.

I can't speak to the job, but I assume those who are part of the Straight Edge aspect of the punk subculture may wear mohawks as well. And since when does having a "real job" have any bearing on your right to life as a human being? Also, what is a "real job?" From the Oxford Dictionary,

job
Pronunciation:/dʒɒb/
noun
a paid position of regular employment

how is working in a record story (to use your hypothetical example), assuming you get a wage for it, not a job?

ViolentHippy: I Like Shiny Things: FTA: 'He loved punk music, it was his life but having a spikey haircut doesn't make you a drug abuser.'

Um, yah, it pretty much does.

That was a 'spikey' haircut? No, sorry. That was a 'Sid' haircut. If you have hair style like that, you definitely do drugs and you do NOT have a real job.

And no, a job at the local vinyl music store doesn't count. Gdamn punks.

I can't speak to the job, but I assume those who are part of the Straight Edge aspect of the punk subculture may wear mohawks as well. And since when does having a "real job" have any bearing on your right to life as a human being? Also, what is a "real job?" From the Oxford Dictionary,

job
Pronunciation:/dʒɒb/
noun
a paid position of regular employment

how is working in a record story store (to use your hypothetical example), assuming you get a wage for it, not a job?

Drakin020: Sorry but it's true.

If you see 2 men walk into a hospital....

Which do you think is more likely to be hopped up on drugs?

I'm not saying I like it, but it's true. You can't deny statistics.

Much like if you see...



Or



Which do you think is more likely to commit a crime?

Again, it's just statistics at work here.

Whether they are more likely to do drugs or steal, statistically or no, shouldn't have any effect on whether they get treatment if they are obviously injured or sick.

Bender The Offender:

while i may not have attended the prestigious institute of internet medicine like you, i do have a masters in nursing from.vanderbilt and i know for a farking fact that chicken soup.is not going to cure bronchopneumonia. why don't you save your judgemental twattery for someone other than a poor kid who was allowed to die because of the way he looked? it happens everywher, even in the u.s. because jackasses like you but with actual degrees make treatment decisions based on morality and not clinical presentation. i despise lawyers but i hope some slimeball makes.millions for.this family.

When did I say he should be allowed to die? I didn't. When did I say it was a cure? I didn't. I DID say that he and his mother should have been following basic advice on the flu, which is rest and fluids as I've always been told both here, by a doctor, by numerous flu articles during the pandemic...

But go ahead, keep calling me names. It's a sad story, but I think my question was valid. Perhaps with some prevention, he wouldn't have gotten sicker. Personally I think his hair was pretty neat, but if that's me being judgemental... well have a nice day.

fatimcgee: monkeyman3875: ArthGuinness: fatimcgee: ArthGuinness: fatimcgee: OK, class, what did we learn today?

A: Don't dress like a freak and don't cut your hair like an idiot and people won't assume you're a fiend.

\No sympathy here
\\None
\\\Dress and act like a contributing member of society and you'll be treated like a contributing member of society

7/10. Too much spittle.

I don't troll, fool. Just saying what I feel...

So you feel like a retard?

It's hard to feel otherwise when you are a retard.

Keep calling me a retard, maybe I'll magically turn retarded...(rolls eyes)

How could we tell?

kvinesknows: A woman dressed and with hair like a man and you think that is not "alternative"? Yeah..just like this guy in the article you went into the doctor appointment with an attitude to begin with and somehow fault the doctor for coping and attitude with you to.

ArthGuinness:

7/10. Too much spittle.

Nonsense. There can never be too much spittle.

Thread is too long, so I didn't read all of it, but I frankly find most of these punk rocker types to be more trustworthy, if anything. The way I look at it, they're blatantly honest about who they are and what they're about. There's nothing negative to having green hair or a mohawk. At least you're open and brave enough to go for it.

"We are the NHS. Die you gutter punk scumbags."



Less than zero.

Missicat: "Mohican"?

i didnt see any indians in the picture either

Fish_Fight!: Missicat: "Mohican"?
i didnt see any indians in the picture either

They all look alike.

a lot of you don't seem to realize a very common drug prescription given to flu and pneumonia patients is hydrocodone or codeine cough syrup which is something a drug addict would fake an illness for.

Kim-Chi_and_Blaze: How about shaving your head and putting on nicer clothes the second time you try? You shouldn't have to but this dumbass literally died rather then give up his mohawk.

ONLY POSERS DIE!!!!!

I was beginning to think I was the only person who'd actually seen that movie.

kryptin420: a lot of you don't seem to realize a very common drug prescription given to flu and pneumonia patients is hydrocodone or codeine cough syrup which is something a drug addict would fake an illness for.

So don't prescribe them codeine cough syrup if you think they're just after drugs, but don't REFUSE TREATMENT ENTIRELY! Sweet angry Jeebus, the boy had Swine Flu on top of bronchopneumonia - you'd think a quick listen with a stethoscope would have confirmed he was actually sick! I'm going to leap to a conclusion here and say you can't really fake the sound of a pneumonia patient's lungs.

Spend your life fighting society, stressing your own individuality with freaky hair and a face full of bling, then complaining when that society allows you to be independent?

Just a reminder to never judge a book by it's cover. Especially the Thorn Birds. I keep reading that stupid book and why it's considered a classic is beyond me. It's just as stupid every time.

/poor kid.

fatimcgee: OK, class, what did we learn today?

A: Don't dress like a freak and don't cut your hair like an idiot and people won't assume you're a fiend.

\No sympathy here
\\None
\\\Dress and act like a contributing member of society and you'll be treated like a contributing member of society




Above: Clearly a "contributing member of society" - I mean, look at that suit!