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(Huffington Post)   So, does your brain hurt? Study shows drugs cause shrinkage   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 57
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2011-03-13 03:38:59 PM
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/68/3/283

Actual article, not just the Huffington Post fluff piece.

By 'drugs' they mean cocaine, not Viagra or Ritalin.
 
2011-03-13 03:42:27 PM
"My brain, too?"
scienceblogs.com
 
2011-03-13 03:52:25 PM
It will have to come out!
 
2011-03-13 03:56:10 PM
www.johnniemoore.com

My brain hurts, too!
 
2011-03-13 04:01:46 PM
i105.photobucket.com

NURSE!

NURSE!
 
2011-03-13 04:26:59 PM
This atricle implies that alcohol may aslo be effectign my brane. Say it isn't sho.
 
2011-03-13 04:49:30 PM
i302.photobucket.com
 
2011-03-13 05:42:35 PM
D'oh!
 
2011-03-13 05:44:24 PM
Shrugs cause drinkage? But I'm not thirsty!
*shrugs*
 
2011-03-13 05:45:37 PM
FTA: "This and previous studies have shown that cocaine-addicted individuals, relative to non-addicted individuals, have lower gray matter density in frontal parts of the brain - which is important for paying attention and organizing one's own behavior - and in the hippocampus, a brain region important for learning and memory."

Also known as "WINNING!"
 
2011-03-13 05:46:22 PM
tehresistance.files.wordpress.com

/you eee-diot!
 
2011-03-13 05:50:19 PM
Hrm. I wanted to be able to say, "In before penis!"

Because it's kind of funny on two levels.
 
2011-03-13 06:09:44 PM
i105.photobucket.com

This is your brain:

i105.photobucket.com


This is a cabbage or something:

i105.photobucket.com

Any questions?
 
Tui
2011-03-13 06:09:50 PM
"Shrinkage? Someone saw Seinfeld last night!"

/hopefully not obscure.
 
2011-03-13 06:15:42 PM

Tui: /hopefully not obscure.


Obscure like the Pacific.

/seinfeld sux
 
Tui
2011-03-13 06:19:46 PM

urban.derelict: Tui: /hopefully not obscure.

Obscure like the Pacific.

/seinfeld sux


If you're under the impression that the reference was actually to Seinfeld, you're mistaken.
 
2011-03-13 06:24:19 PM
According to science we don't use most of our brain anyway, so shrinking it just brings the synapses closer together so everything functions quickly and more efficiently.

/winning!
 
2011-03-13 06:25:05 PM
Even if the study is correct, can you really say what cause what here? What if people with less brain matter in areas responsible for say, impulse control are more likely to get addicted?

That seems more likely than very different drugs from cocaine to alcohol and cigarettes all having the same effects on the brain.
 
2011-03-13 06:26:49 PM

adeist69: According to science urban legend we don't use most of our brain anyway, so shrinking it just brings the synapses closer together so everything functions quickly and more efficiently.

/winning!


FTFY
 
2011-03-13 06:30:28 PM
Came to see Mr. Gumby...
Leaving satisfied
 
2011-03-13 06:32:32 PM
If a new study from the Department of Energy's Brookhaven Natural Laboratory is any indication

Why is the Department of Energy doing medical studies?
 
2011-03-13 06:35:30 PM

Linoleum_Blownapart: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/68/3/283

Actual article, not just the Huffington Post fluff piece.

By 'drugs' they mean cocaine, not Viagra or Ritalin.


Ritalin is closer to cocaine than amphetamine, and the only reason they did not list Ritalin was because they did not test it.

Let me guess, you take Viagra and Ritalin and need to justify it?
 
2011-03-13 06:35:34 PM
I can believe it.
/dnrtfa rhough
 
2011-03-13 06:36:37 PM

MentalMoment: If a new study from the Department of Energy's Brookhaven Natural Laboratory is any indication

Why is the Department of Energy doing medical studies?


BECAUSE SOSHALISM!!!!11!
 
2011-03-13 06:40:38 PM

MentalMoment:

Why is the Department of Energy doing medical studies?



You're kidding, right?

Please tell me you're kidding.
 
2011-03-13 06:52:20 PM
Could it be that people with smaller brains are more likely to be addicted to cocaine?

Hmmmmm?
 
2011-03-13 07:00:05 PM
Thought it was known that Einstein had a small-ish brain. Just saying...

/took this long to be said?
 
2011-03-13 07:12:18 PM
By drugs (plural) they mean cocaine, alcohol, nicotine.

Finally a US study that admits that alcohol and nicotine are drugs!
 
2011-03-13 07:32:25 PM
Am I the only one that noticed the study failed to mention marijuana? May I infer from this that my continued use of sticky green actually keeps equilibrium in my noggin?

/or am I already so stunted it no longer matters?
 
2011-03-13 07:42:22 PM
In other news, people with small brains choose to use drugs.
 
2011-03-13 07:43:30 PM

FloydA: MentalMoment:

Why is the Department of Energy doing medical studies?


You're kidding, right?

Please tell me you're kidding.


Is it because they have better scanning equipment or something?

/I'd think it'd be a Dept. of Health study
 
2011-03-13 07:53:52 PM
i1198.photobucket.com
 
2011-03-13 07:59:08 PM

HerpaDerpaDoo: Linoleum_Blownapart: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/68/3/283

Actual article, not just the Huffington Post fluff piece.

By 'drugs' they mean cocaine, not Viagra or Ritalin.

Ritalin is closer to cocaine than amphetamine, and the only reason they did not list Ritalin was because they did not test it.

Let me guess, you take Viagra and Ritalin and need to justify it?


No one likes to get distracted and forget who they are farking... usually.
 
2011-03-13 08:02:05 PM

vodka: In other news, people with small brains choose to use drugs.


I was going to go with correlation /= causation.
 
2011-03-13 08:10:32 PM
Well sweet, more room for drugs.
 
2011-03-13 08:23:39 PM

Excen: FloydA: MentalMoment:

Why is the Department of Energy doing medical studies?


You're kidding, right?

Please tell me you're kidding.

Is it because they have better scanning equipment or something?

/I'd think it'd be a Dept. of Health study



DoE produce* a lot of the radioisotopes that are used in nuclear medicine, including imaging (SPECT, MRI, CT, PET) and radiopharmaceuticals. For that, you need reactors and cyclotrons, which HHS doesn't have and DoE does.

HHS is involved in administrating and paying for health care, but radiological research and treatment is a bit out of their area of expertise.

*(Actually, most of the radiopharmaceuticals used in the US are actually made at Chalk River Labs in Ontario, but the DoE has to be involved in transporting and regulating them.)
 
2011-03-13 08:32:46 PM
You know what drugs cause cerebral enlargement? Lithium, piracetam, CDP-choline and DHA. I am not going to bother citing anything figure it out for yourself.

/it's a molecular world (instead of wonderful)
 
2011-03-13 08:35:11 PM
Wouldn't your brain hurt if it was a bit swollen?

Mine does right now - horrible headache. Just took aspirin, plz make it stop!
 
2011-03-13 09:11:14 PM

Study Shows Drug-Addicted Individuals May Have Less Brain Matter


I do drugs because I was too smart and all you other dumb mother-farkers pissed me off and were boring.


I've probably already sunk below average. Am I doing it wrong?
 
2011-03-13 09:29:08 PM
In other news, ice cream makes you fat.

These results are hardly fresh. Cerebral atrophy from alcohol and narcotic abuse has been documented repeatedly for decades. This is more of a government scare PSA than new scientific research.
 
2011-03-13 10:19:50 PM
 
2011-03-13 10:32:42 PM
relevant

Link (new window)
 
2011-03-13 11:00:37 PM
"lower gray matter density in frontal parts of the brain - which is important for paying attention and organizing one's own behavior"

Oh dear. I resemble that remark...

I've only ever been addicted to cigarettes, but I gave pretty much everything else a go in my 20s too.

OTOH I think (hope?) I've always been pretty easily distracted. Also:

Happy Hours: I do drugs because I was too smart and all you other dumb mother-farkers pissed me off and were boring.


THIS.
/should probably have "poor impulse control" tattoo'd on forehead, but has no nuclear sidecar
//people with poor impulse control probably shouldn't have nuclear sidecars anyway
 
2011-03-13 11:20:05 PM

Gothnet: "lower gray matter density in frontal parts of the brain - which is important for paying attention and organizing one's own behavior"

Oh dear. I resemble that remark...

I've only ever been addicted to cigarettes, but I gave pretty much everything else a go in my 20s too.

OTOH I think (hope?) I've always been pretty easily distracted. Also:

Happy Hours: I do drugs because I was too smart and all you other dumb mother-farkers pissed me off and were boring.

THIS.
/should probably have "poor impulse control" tattoo'd on forehead, but has no nuclear sidecar
//people with poor impulse control probably shouldn't have nuclear sidecars anyway


Out of all the stupid drunken posts I've made today I didn't expect this one to get a THIS, but I'm glad someone else can relate.

As far as sidecars go, I think they're a bad idea even if not nuclear.
 
2011-03-13 11:41:25 PM
"Ovarian cancer... gee, i wonder who that was?"

Tui: "Shrinkage? Someone saw Seinfeld last night!"

/hopefully not obscure.

 
Tui
2011-03-13 11:49:33 PM

attila the hun's space age techno-babble: "Ovarian cancer... gee, i wonder who that was?"


Thank you!
 
2011-03-14 12:19:10 AM
i shrunk my brain with cocaine for several years

but then i expanded it with psychedelics for just as many

so i'm probably fine now
 
2011-03-14 03:11:41 AM

Happy Hours: Gothnet:

Out of all the stupid drunken posts I've made today I didn't expect this one to get a THIS, but I'm glad someone else can relate.

As far as sidecars go, I think they're a bad idea even if not nuclear.


Hey, the world is not only full of, but seems to actually be run by a collection of total morons. Morons scared of the world, morons that make up rules and hierarchies to keep themselves safe and happy and in a well-defined space. Vindictive, vengeful morons. Short-sighted morons.

It gets to the point that every time you switch on the news you groan at the slack-jawed idiocy coming out of the face-holes of politicians, celebrities and other 'luminaries' of our age. After a while you realise there's nothing much you're ever going to be able to do to change that, and self medication is just easiest. Well, that and narrowing the focus of life to your own friends and family and let the rest of the world go hang.
 
2011-03-14 06:35:05 AM

FloydA:
*(Actually, most of the radiopharmaceuticals used in the US are actually made at Chalk River Labs in Ontario, but the DoE has to be involved in transporting and regulating them.)


I'd like to see a citation on those numbers given that a very large number of medical isotopes have very short half lives. It is both what makes them medically useful AND requires that they be created relatively close to where they are going to be administered if not inside the same hospital. When I say short half lives, I am talking about measurements of minutes rather than hours or days. If they tried making most or all of them in Canada they would decay to the point of being useless before they could ever reach the patients.

FDG is a fine example of what I am talking about. The stuff is gone less than 2 days after they create it. They have to calibrate the dose size based on how far they have to ship it and what time of day the patient will be injected.

Link (new window)
 
2011-03-14 09:28:51 AM

d34dr0d3n7: Thought it was known that Einstein had a small-ish brain. Just saying...

/took this long to be said?



He was elderly when he died. As is typical of elderly brains, his brain would have also shown a life times accumulation of scar tissue; less on average for him since he didn't whip his head around at rock concerts or do blue collar work... Enough scar tissue accumulation can cause seizures, which is why it's not uncommon for very elderly people to have in their bag of pills anti-seizure medication.
 
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