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2011-03-12 12:41:46 AM
I really hope this is a miscommunication... o_o

Japan finds radioactive material leak at quake-hit Fukushima plant (new window)
 
2011-03-12 12:42:59 AM
ust got a news flash from AP saying "nuclear meltdown possible," which means HOLY SHIAT, RUN!
 
2011-03-12 12:43:37 AM
J
 
2011-03-12 12:46:53 AM
I think nothing was supposed to escape and stay contained in the containment barrier?
 
2011-03-12 12:47:15 AM
NHK should be starting their English update again at the top of the hour so hopefully we'll get some more info then - they're doing a segment on US aid at the moment
 
2011-03-12 12:47:28 AM
Thought*
 
2011-03-12 12:49:54 AM
Jeepers, thread 3.
 
2011-03-12 12:53:33 AM
NHK text crawl saying possible melted fuel rods indicated by presence of Cesium in the air which is produced during a nuclear chain reaction.
 
2011-03-12 12:53:57 AM
Oh, please let the worst be over.
 
2011-03-12 12:54:27 AM
If they're saying they've found radioactive Cesium, that's Cesium-131, which has a half life of days or hours, I can't remember which. At any rate, it is only found as a byproduct of nuclear reactions, so it could have only come from a nuclear leak from the plant.

I do like how they're still pretending venting radioactive steam won't hurt anyone. Does anyone actually buy that lie?

The agency also said radiation has been measured at more than eight times the normal level near the main gate of the plant.

And that right there? That's the sign of a runaway reaction in that plant, and a sure sign that we're heading towards a meltdown. The AP wasn't exaggerating before if radiation is that high at the gate, they really are hours from a meltdown. The time line is simply uncertain without knowing more information, but that reaction clearly isn't as controlled as it should be.

They don't have much time left to get water pumping again before damage is caused. Just hope nothing causes an explosion so the radiation gets lifted into the upper atmosphere and spread around the world, particularly if you live in Hawaii or California.
 
2011-03-12 12:54:46 AM

gameshowhost: Jeepers, thread 3.


Yeah, I kinda figured this year's Super Bowl would at least get 2. :\
 
2011-03-12 12:54:58 AM
While the agency denied the radiation amount will pose an immediate threat to the health of nearby residents

I implicitly trust the word of energy companies and government contractors.
 
2011-03-12 12:55:44 AM
Fark. Cesium-137.
 
2011-03-12 12:59:47 AM
Dammit, now I'm getting all kinds of facts wrong from being tired and worried. Cesium-137, which is what I was trying to refer to all along, has a half-life of 30 years.

LazarusMP: NHK text crawl saying possible melted fuel rods indicated by presence of Cesium in the air which is produced during a nuclear chain reaction.


Yes, but it doesn't mean it is from a meltdown. Normal nuclear reactions in commercial reactors produce Cesium-137.
 
2011-03-12 12:59:58 AM
Can I get a "What we actually know for sure" vs "What people think is happening" comparison? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more Citation Needed.
 
2011-03-12 01:00:14 AM
Don't worry ladies. Doglover and his amazing beariot are safe!
 
2011-03-12 01:00:34 AM

GAT_00: Fark. Cesium-137.


What's the difference between Cesium-131 and Cesium-137, apart from the extra 6 neutrons?

Serious question. I'm curious as to which is worse.

/also, in before teabaggers hope there is an explosion just so that the radiation goes into the atmosphere and wreaks havoc upon Hawaii and California
 
2011-03-12 01:05:18 AM
Cesium and Iodine detected apparently but they don't seem overly concerned...
 
2011-03-12 01:05:23 AM

ShankatsuForte: Can I get a "What we actually know for sure" vs "What people think is happening" comparison? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more Citation Needed.


Japanese News says NOT YET. That's NHK right now.

So, there you go.
 
2011-03-12 01:06:11 AM

King Something: GAT_00: Fark. Cesium-137.

What's the difference between Cesium-131 and Cesium-137, apart from the extra 6 neutrons?

Serious question. I'm curious as to which is worse.

/also, in before teabaggers hope there is an explosion just so that the radiation goes into the atmosphere and wreaks havoc upon Hawaii and California


Cesium-131 is used in the control rods for creating nuclear fission. If its been found in the air, it means the control rods in the reactor have begun to melt.

It's a VERY bad sign.
 
2011-03-12 01:06:47 AM

Captain Steroid: King Something: GAT_00: Fark. Cesium-137.

What's the difference between Cesium-131 and Cesium-137, apart from the extra 6 neutrons?

Serious question. I'm curious as to which is worse.

/also, in before teabaggers hope there is an explosion just so that the radiation goes into the atmosphere and wreaks havoc upon Hawaii and California

Cesium-131 is used in the control rods for creating nuclear fission. If its been found in the air, it means the control rods in the reactor have begun to melt.

It's a VERY bad sign.


137! Sorry! T_T
 
2011-03-12 01:06:56 AM

ShankatsuForte: Can I get a "What we actually know for sure" vs "What people think is happening" comparison? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more Citation Needed.


I started typing a whole lot of stuff, and then decided just to link this: Link

What isn't in there is the detection of radioactive Cesium, which is only found on Earth as a biproduct of a nuclear reaction, implying that the reactor does not have full containment.

In addition, while only one reactor is currently disturbingly close to a meltdown, four other reactors are experiencing the early stages of the same problem due to power losses.
 
2011-03-12 01:09:38 AM

Captain Steroid: Captain Steroid: King Something: GAT_00: Fark. Cesium-137.

What's the difference between Cesium-131 and Cesium-137, apart from the extra 6 neutrons?

Serious question. I'm curious as to which is worse.

/also, in before teabaggers hope there is an explosion just so that the radiation goes into the atmosphere and wreaks havoc upon Hawaii and California

Cesium-131 is used in the control rods for creating nuclear fission. If its been found in the air, it means the control rods in the reactor have begun to melt.

It's a VERY bad sign.

137! Sorry! T_T


No worries, you're building on my farkup.

Cesium-137 is a byproduct of a nuclear reaction. It occurs in nuclear reactors, such as this one, and nuclear weapons. It does not mean that the reactor is melting down. Once the
I'm not sure Cesium-131 exists, I may have just made it up when I meant -137. But Cesium has a lot of isotopes, so it might be real.
 
2011-03-12 01:09:41 AM

GAT_00: ShankatsuForte: Can I get a "What we actually know for sure" vs "What people think is happening" comparison? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more Citation Needed.

I started typing a whole lot of stuff, and then decided just to link this: Link

What isn't in there is the detection of radioactive Cesium, which is only found on Earth as a biproduct of a nuclear reaction, implying that the reactor does not have full containment.

In addition, while only one reactor is currently disturbingly close to a meltdown, four other reactors are experiencing the early stages of the same problem due to power losses.


Yike. I will officially stop biatching about the pollen in the air.
 
2011-03-12 01:11:09 AM

GAT_00: ShankatsuForte: Can I get a "What we actually know for sure" vs "What people think is happening" comparison? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more Citation Needed.

I started typing a whole lot of stuff, and then decided just to link this: Link

What isn't in there is the detection of radioactive Cesium, which is only found on Earth as a biproduct of a nuclear reaction, implying that the reactor does not have full containment.

In addition, while only one reactor is currently disturbingly close to a meltdown, four other reactors are experiencing the early stages of the same problem due to power losses.


I appreciate the effort. I've pretty much been on this since 7am CDT. Don't have the energy to hunt through 8 different sites for now.

/I'm also running out of catnip. :/
//medicinal catnip
 
2011-03-12 01:11:23 AM

GAT_00: Cesium-137 is a byproduct of a nuclear reaction. It occurs in nuclear reactors, such as this one, and nuclear weapons. It does not mean that the reactor is melting down. Once the


Oh what the fark?

Cesium-137 is a byproduct of a nuclear reaction. It occurs in nuclear reactors, such as this one, and nuclear weapons. It does not mean that the reactor is melting down. Once the short lived radioactives, less than 5 year half-lives, decay, Cesium-137 is one of the primary sources of radiation in normal nuclear waste.
 
2011-03-12 01:12:01 AM

GAT_00: ShankatsuForte: Can I get a "What we actually know for sure" vs "What people think is happening" comparison? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more Citation Needed.

I started typing a whole lot of stuff, and then decided just to link this: Link

What isn't in there is the detection of radioactive Cesium, which is only found on Earth as a biproduct of a nuclear reaction, implying that the reactor does not have full containment.

In addition, while only one reactor is currently disturbingly close to a meltdown, four other reactors are experiencing the early stages of the same problem due to power losses.


With fleets of generators and more coolant underway and the country in a state of emergency.

Geeze, you guys really like to panic over a whole lot of shiat you can't do anything about. Japan have been all over this nuclear shiat since yesterday at around 3pm. It's been on the news since at least 9pm CONSTANTLY. The PM hasn't slept.

This shiat is getting handled. The one was just very badly damaged, but there's been shiat on the way for hours.

STAY POSITIVE!

Also, who cares if the radioactivity does vent when you're all the way across the ocean? Your chance of cancer increases like .000003% over the next sixty years. Big whoop.
 
2011-03-12 01:12:10 AM

GAT_00: ShankatsuForte: Can I get a "What we actually know for sure" vs "What people think is happening" comparison? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more Citation Needed.

I started typing a whole lot of stuff, and then decided just to link this: Link

What isn't in there is the detection of radioactive Cesium, which is only found on Earth as a biproduct of a nuclear reaction, implying that the reactor does not have full containment.

In addition, while only one reactor is currently disturbingly close to a meltdown, four other reactors are experiencing the early stages of the same problem due to power losses.


I heard about it... uh... in the 2nd thread. >_>'
 
2011-03-12 01:15:27 AM

doglover: With fleets of generators and more coolant underway and the country in a state of emergency.

Geeze, you guys really like to panic over a whole lot of shiat you can't do anything about. Japan have been all over this nuclear shiat since yesterday at around 3pm. It's been on the news since at least 9pm CONSTANTLY. The PM hasn't slept.

This shiat is getting handled. The one was just very badly damaged, but there's been shiat on the way for hours.

STAY POSITIVE!

Also, who cares if the radioactivity does vent when you're all the way across the ocean? Your chance of cancer increases like .000003% over the next sixty years. Big whoop.


Pretty sure this is troll, but if this was being handled, this wouldn't be in this state. The earthquake happened something approaching 24 hours ago now. The most problematic reactor had it's problems being one hour after the earthquake. They've been dealing with this for at least 20 hours now, and nothing has been fixed.

This is not under control.

But yeah, clearly the nuclear plant was a low priority and nobody made sure the equipment they needed wasn't getting rushed as a high priority.
 
2011-03-12 01:15:37 AM

doglover: GAT_00: ShankatsuForte: Can I get a "What we actually know for sure" vs "What people think is happening" comparison? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more Citation Needed.

I started typing a whole lot of stuff, and then decided just to link this: Link

What isn't in there is the detection of radioactive Cesium, which is only found on Earth as a biproduct of a nuclear reaction, implying that the reactor does not have full containment.

In addition, while only one reactor is currently disturbingly close to a meltdown, four other reactors are experiencing the early stages of the same problem due to power losses.

With fleets of generators and more coolant underway and the country in a state of emergency.

Geeze, you guys really like to panic over a whole lot of shiat you can't do anything about. Japan have been all over this nuclear shiat since yesterday at around 3pm. It's been on the news since at least 9pm CONSTANTLY. The PM hasn't slept.

This shiat is getting handled. The one was just very badly damaged, but there's been shiat on the way for hours.

STAY POSITIVE!

Also, who cares if the radioactivity does vent when you're all the way across the ocean? Your chance of cancer increases like .000003% over the next sixty years. Big whoop.



I'm not worried about getting hit by any radiation. It's just giving me something to put my mind on.
 
2011-03-12 01:15:45 AM
This thread is a cavalcade of bullsh&t.
 
2011-03-12 01:15:58 AM

Captain Steroid: Captain Steroid: King Something: GAT_00: Fark. Cesium-137.

What's the difference between Cesium-131 and Cesium-137, apart from the extra 6 neutrons?

Serious question. I'm curious as to which is worse.

/also, in before teabaggers hope there is an explosion just so that the radiation goes into the atmosphere and wreaks havoc upon Hawaii and California

Cesium-131 is used in the control rods for creating nuclear fission. If its been found in the air, it means the control rods in the reactor have begun to melt.

It's a VERY bad sign.

137! Sorry! T_T


Okay, so melting control rods sounds like a Very Bad Thing. The folks in northern Honshu are gonna be very sad pandas. But if what GAT_00 initially (perhaps mistakingly?) said is correct, the stuff has a half-life of hours or days and not years or decades.

In any case, I'm hoping this is less "Bury the entire prefecture under 50 feet of concrete and hope the radiation stays sealed for at least a thousand years" bad and more "let's keep an eye on things and hopefully the worst that happens is that a couple of the plant workers get a mild case of the Hershey Squirts" bad.
 
2011-03-12 01:17:50 AM

cameroncrazy1984: This thread is a cavalcade of bullsh&t.


Prove anything I've said wrong that I haven't already corrected from my own farkups.
 
2011-03-12 01:19:37 AM

King Something: But if what GAT_00 initially (perhaps mistakingly?) said is correct, the stuff has a half-life of hours or days and not years or decades.


That was totally wrong on the hours/days. When they said they detected Cesium, they probably mean Cesium-137, which has a half-life of 30 years and is a common nuclear biproduct. There is another Cesium isotope with a shorter half-life, but it isn't created in large amounts by a nuclear reaction.
 
2011-03-12 01:19:55 AM
GAT_00: I do like how they're still pretending venting radioactive steam won't hurt anyone. Does anyone actually buy that lie?

Given how fast the radioactive steam would disperse? Yes. I mean it's not like anyone would be standing there steaming their pores in it.
 
2011-03-12 01:20:48 AM

GAT_00: GAT_00: Cesium-137 is a byproduct of a nuclear reaction. It occurs in nuclear reactors, such as this one, and nuclear weapons. It does not mean that the reactor is melting down. Once the

Oh what the fark?

Cesium-137 is a byproduct of a nuclear reaction. It occurs in nuclear reactors, such as this one, and nuclear weapons. It does not mean that the reactor is melting down. Once the short lived radioactives, less than 5 year half-lives, decay, Cesium-137 is one of the primary sources of radiation in normal nuclear waste.


Nuke plants, like Japan's, like to keep airborne radioactive contaminants to a minimum. Cesium is one of those contaminants. It could be accidentally discharged when replacing rods, but given the present situation, it WOULD be a bad sign for the condition of the reactor.

... Who DID say there was Cesium detected, anyway?
 
2011-03-12 01:21:24 AM
GAT_00: This is not under control.

If it wasn't under control, the reactor core would've melted down already. Also, there's only 24 hours left, tops, where anything really bad could happen. After 48 hours the fuel isn't hot enough any more to cause a meltdown.
 
2011-03-12 01:21:47 AM
Japanese nuclear authorities are now saying that there is a high likelihood that the fuel rods have or may be melting down.
 
2011-03-12 01:22:17 AM

Captain Steroid: ... Who DID say there was Cesium detected, anyway?


NHK reported it - and just did again.
 
2011-03-12 01:24:04 AM

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: This is not under control.

If it wasn't under control, the reactor core would've melted down already. Also, there's only 24 hours left, tops, where anything really bad could happen. After 48 hours the fuel isn't hot enough any more to cause a meltdown.


See new update from Japanese authorities. This is a light-water reactor, and meltdowns don't necessarily cause explosions.

Captain Steroid: Who DID say there was Cesium detected, anyway?


Pretty sure that was Japan's nuclear regulatory agency. They probably have detectors around the plants.

WhyteRaven74: Given how fast the radioactive steam would disperse? Yes. I mean it's not like anyone would be standing there steaming their pores in it.


I suppose they can say it is safe because they've evacuated the area, but considering radiation levels are 1000 times normal inside the reactor, I wouldn't call any kind of release safe.
 
2011-03-12 01:26:46 AM

King Something: What's the difference between Cesium-131 and Cesium-137, apart from the extra 6 neutrons?


Cs-131 decays by electron capture with a nine-point-something day half life; the Xe-131 is (if I'm reading the chart right) stable when produced that way. It's pretty harmless; even its chemical toxicity goes away in relatively short order (since Xe is a noble gas).

Cs-137 is a beta/gamma emitter with a 30 year halflife; medium nasty.

Captain Steroid: Cesium-131 is used in the control rods for creating nuclear fission.


Er... no. Both are fission byproducts; control rods tend to be silver, cadmium, or boron alloys IIR.
 
2011-03-12 01:28:44 AM

LazarusMP: Captain Steroid: ... Who DID say there was Cesium detected, anyway?

NHK reported it - and just did again.


S**t. That IS a verifiable source...
 
2011-03-12 01:29:25 AM

GAT_00: cameroncrazy1984: This thread is a cavalcade of bullsh&t.

Prove anything I've said wrong that I haven't already corrected from my own farkups.


Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
 
2011-03-12 01:31:23 AM

abb3w: King Something: What's the difference between Cesium-131 and Cesium-137, apart from the extra 6 neutrons?

Cs-131 decays by electron capture with a nine-point-something day half life; the Xe-131 is (if I'm reading the chart right) stable when produced that way. It's pretty harmless; even its chemical toxicity goes away in relatively short order (since Xe is a noble gas).

Cs-137 is a beta/gamma emitter with a 30 year halflife; medium nasty.

Captain Steroid: Cesium-131 is used in the control rods for creating nuclear fission.

Er... no. Both are fission byproducts; control rods tend to be silver, cadmium, or boron alloys IIR.


... o_o

Well... let this be a lesson to everyone to not take to heart the nuclear physics lessons you learned in community college... o_o'
 
2011-03-12 01:33:00 AM

cameroncrazy1984: GAT_00: cameroncrazy1984: This thread is a cavalcade of bullsh&t.

Prove anything I've said wrong that I haven't already corrected from my own farkups.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.


I'm rather tired of getting told I'm getting facts wrong on nuclear power plants simply because I'm anti-nuclear. I'm anti-nuclear because I know how dangerous these plants are. Not that you were saying it, but I've been told I'm wrong because I'm anti-nuclear when I wasn't many times.

I am also tired. No idea if I can sleep with shiat like this happening, but I need to.
 
2011-03-12 01:33:07 AM
Does anyone have a live link for NHK in Japanese? Not that I read or speak it, but I just feel like NHK English is on relatively pre-recorded repeat.
 
2011-03-12 01:35:09 AM

OpheliasMusing: Does anyone have a live link for NHK in Japanese? Not that I read or speak it, but I just feel like NHK English is on relatively pre-recorded repeat.


They're back to the pure Japanese feed now - seems to be the Englich feed for the first half of the hour then the regular Japanese for the second half.
 
2011-03-12 01:35:53 AM
English even...
 
2011-03-12 01:41:22 AM
If it does meltdown, will it look like anything at all?
 
2011-03-12 01:42:40 AM

nowt: If it does meltdown, will it look like anything at all?


I don't know what it's going to look like, but I know the sound it makes when it takes a man's life.
 
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