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(Slate) Obvious The internet hasn't increased productivity nearly as much as you might think. Link to the left, reasons why right in front of your face   (slate.com) divider line 25
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2011-03-08 01:38:28 PM
Too busy right now playing Call of Duty:Black Ops at work.

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2011-03-08 01:39:07 PM
The book seeks to explain why in the United States median wages have grown only slowly since the 1970s and have actually declined in the past decade.

Interesting proxy for productivity...I wonder why it was used, and whether the author has a particular bias that explains why that measure was chosen and not, say, GDP.
 
2011-03-08 01:46:04 PM
I wonder if the author knew today was going to be a Woot-Off.
 
2011-03-08 02:29:42 PM
The book seeks to explain why in the United States median wages have grown only slowly since the 1970s and have actually declined in the past decade.

----------Year 1------Year 50
Worker 1 $ 10,000-----$ 10,000
Worker 2 $ 50,000-----$ 50,000
Managers $100,000----$500,000

Total... $160,000-----$560,000
Median $ 50,000-----$ 50,000

ZOMG! median income is stagnate!
 
2011-03-08 02:59:47 PM
Come in on the weekend? Don't think so.

Log in for an hour or two? Sure, I got time.

/tele-remote-workery is friggin' awesome.
 
2011-03-08 03:21:04 PM
I'm avoiding work on my thesis right now so I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
2011-03-08 03:34:25 PM
The Internet, while useful, is also TV for people who are proud of not watching TV.
 
2011-03-08 03:53:37 PM
Fuggin Bizzy: The Internet, while useful, is also TV for people who are proud of not watching TV.

OH MY GOD I'M LIVING A LIE
 
2011-03-08 03:54:19 PM
Snickered at headline.
 
2011-03-08 04:09:21 PM
The standard 9-5 is now pointless and needs to die off. If a company still runs a 9-5 shift it's losing out on time, talent and money. On that note, if you put in more hours then your job is worth, you're a farking idiot. Learn to draw the line somewhere.
 
2011-03-08 04:09:53 PM
48-hour internet outage plunges the world into productivity


The broad in the field office at my work was just fired for spending too much time Facebooking, so I'm really getting a kick...

/Gonna miss that cleavage though
 
2011-03-08 04:28:24 PM
D_Evans45: 48-hour internet outage plunges the world into productivity


The broad in the field office at my work was just fired for spending too much time Facebooking, so I'm really getting a kick...

/Gonna miss that cleavage though


This is a travisty, there is a shortage of perfect breasts in the world.
 
2011-03-08 05:23:38 PM
D_Evans45: 48-hour internet outage plunges the world into productivity


The broad in the field office at my work was just fired for spending too much time Facebooking, so I'm really getting a kick...

/Gonna miss that cleavage though


Sounds like somebody I'd like to "friend", and by "friend", I mean add as a friend on Facebook.
 
2011-03-08 05:24:43 PM
You're the jerk... jerk: This is a travisty, there is a shortage of perfect breasts in the world.

Hear, hear, my friend...



www.cavehumor.com



media.picfor.me


/Surprising lack of SFW pics in "cute boobs" "cute tits" "nice tits" etc GISs
 
2011-03-08 05:29:38 PM
HellRaisingHoosier: if you put in more hours then your job is worth, you're a farking idiot.

What if you have a fun job?

/or I guess that's part of its worth?
 
2011-03-08 06:36:39 PM
This could be a problem with the stats, too. Let's say you measure productivity as output per hour worked, based on an 8 hour workday. You might say that people don't get much more done in those 8 hours than they did in 1975.

If, however, you take into account all the slacking that goes on in a modern workplace, and divide output by the three or four hours that people actually spend working, then productivity has more than doubled.
 
2011-03-08 06:51:40 PM
xria: The book seeks to explain why in the United States median wages have grown only slowly since the 1970s and have actually declined in the past decade.

Interesting proxy for productivity...I wonder why it was used, and whether the author has a particular bias that explains why that measure was chosen and not, say, GDP.


It must be hell to have a job that depends on other people. It used to be that you had the Keeping Up With the Joneses mentality to push you further and accept more responsibility. But with no real income gain and the work/life balance, why bother? You're basically doing enough for a job that would fire you regardless of performance. Why bust your ass for that with the vague promises of more responsibility?

Productivity is a nice way of saving money for people who have too much of it already.
 
2011-03-08 07:09:38 PM
D_Evans45: You're the jerk... jerk: This is a travisty, there is a shortage of perfect breasts in the world.

Hear, hear, my friend...

/Surprising lack of SFW pics in "cute boobs" "cute tits" "nice tits" etc GISs


A perfect reply to my awesome princess bride reference.
 
2011-03-09 02:28:08 AM
So the article actually proposes a pretty interesting qualifier for the stagnating quality of life arguments that stem from Average income growth.

Previously, a worker was seen as having an improving quality of life if his purchasing power increased year on year. Purchasing power was used to signify his ability to purchase the labor-hours of another individual.

Because (as the article suggests) consumption habits have developed in a way not accurately represented by the metric, a worker's quality of life has actually improved despite stagnating purchasing power.

A worker may not be able to buy more apples than he did previously, but he now consumes information in a way he previously couldn't and has therefore seen an increase in his standard of living.
 
2011-03-09 09:06:36 AM
darthquigley: This could be a problem with the stats, too. Let's say you measure productivity as output per hour worked, based on an 8 hour workday. You might say that people don't get much more done in those 8 hours than they did in 1975.

If, however, you take into account all the slacking that goes on in a modern workplace, and divide output by the three or four hours that people actually spend working, then productivity has more than doubled.


You make a great point. It would take forever to do my work using reference books and manual typewriters and telephones. I don't really reinvest that saved time into work. Usually I just Fark more, or take a long walk.
 
2011-03-09 11:02:18 AM
Fuggin Bizzy: The Internet, while useful, is also TV for people who are proud of not watching TV.

True, but it is also a library for people who do not read, the way that drugstores used to be prior to about 1960 (before airports took over from train stations).

Mark Twain's observation that "the man who does not read good books is no better off than the man who can not" may be falsifiable. True, very few of us are reading even the Gutenberg Project books that we are downloading. But it's just possible that the numbskulls who are blathering and trolling on the web are now learning something, although apparently it hasn't gotten as far as basic social skills yet.
 
2011-03-09 11:07:48 AM
One reason why technology is not increasing productivity as much as expected is that it just doesn't work.

The time you waste rebooting, waiting for windows to load, trying to fix whatever is freezing your screen, etc., is considerable and did not exist when you used a paper and pencil.

Also, having your information split over several different channels (emails, faxes, telephones, cellphones, Blackberries, land lines, etc.) makes it that much more unmanageable.

And let's not forget Dumbth.

People expect you to reply to emails and other communications as fast as they are sent.

Just because you can ask me to do something in 0.2 seconds doesn't mean I'm going to look at my email in the next three hours. I have things to do.

And don't get me started on search engines. We are overwhelmed with demands to do things instantaneous, but we can't find an email that was sent yesterday because it's either in the wrong email account or is buried under 400 emails, with no subject line, the wrong subject line, the right subject line but unguessable keywords, the wrong coding, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Information has exploded. By that I mean that there is more of it, a lot more of it, and it is blown to smithereens.
 
2011-03-09 11:22:15 AM
George Bernard Shaw, that sharp old tack, said:

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place."

I have to do a lot of things that depend on the communication skills of many very stupid and many very intelligent people. You can imagine how easy it is to gather the bits and bytes of information that I need to do the simplest and most complex jobs from people who THINK they are communicating but are leaving out the most important details in their haste.

There are a lot of blue sky thinkers who don't give a damn about administratie niceties or bureaucratic regulations. They are peculiarly endemic to the modern office and this place in particular.

They are very bright, but they aren't very thoughtful in the philosophic sense of taking thought and due care to think things through efficiently, promptly and thoroughly.

This is where a lot of our money, time, and effort are disappearing.

We have a nice shiney widescreen TV notice board. It's almost impossible to get any information on events out of it because you'd have to stand there and wait for them to scroll through. The bulletin board is in front of the elevators, where there are already thundering herds of people loitering at peak times, which is when most people are there. Ergo, the screen does not do the job of the piece of paper.

One person thinking can out think a committee of thousands. In fact, one person thinking can out think a committee of three people who think they are thinking.

No one thinks and the technology encourages ever greater haste and waste, while discouraging thought.

The web is not the worst of it. I can think just as well typing as I could writing, or almost. I can think as well typing or reading as I might sitting.

But emails, Twitter, and other crap, including much of Fark's most prolific trolls, are as useless as teats on a boulder.

At least teats on a bull might work. Very rarely. Rarely enough to consitute a freak of nature or a miracle.

Unless you give people time to think, they don't. And they can really screw up a lot of resources quickly and think they have done a great job if they don't think.

As the Church of the SubGenius warns: BEWARE THE STEALERS OF SLACK!

You need slack to buffer against peak demands and to allow you to think, plan, correct, understand, be efficient and productive.

Without slack, there is no productivity, only business,in the old sense of busy-ness. Futile action is friction. It is is heat. It is entropy. It is temporal kibble. It is waste.

By the way, the book mentioned is available on Kindle for $3.20.

It is only 10,000 words long, but worth every second, I suspect.

Tyler Cowen's e-book, The Great Stagnation. I think that we are beginning to understand where we went wrong for the last thirty years, maybe the last 30,000.
 
2011-03-09 11:23:16 AM
Executive summary:

George Bernard Shaw: "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place."
 
2011-03-09 11:24:51 AM
Well, I'm back from the Kindle store! Did you miss me?
 
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