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(AP)   Abraham Lincoln's actual feelings about freed slaves: Stop being selfish and respect white people by moving to Central America   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 501
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2011-03-05 11:45:22 AM  
And that is still the Republican party's platform.
 
2011-03-05 11:46:00 AM  
Old news is old, non-history reading Subtard.
 
2011-03-05 11:57:18 AM  
While Lincoln's actual views really not very similar to your troll subby, there is merit in discussing his support for resettlement. It was a difficult issue for him and is not widely taught.

The news book Colonization After Emancipation sounds interesting. Lincoln's continued efforts after the Emancipation Proclamation were news to me. I look forward to reading about it.

What distinguished Lincoln is that his views were able to evolve.
What's your excuse?
 
2011-03-05 12:13:58 PM  
FTA: Lincoln went on to say that free blacks who envisioned a permanent life in the United States were being "selfish" and he promoted Central America as an ideal location "especially because of the similarity of climate with your native land - thus being suited to your physical condition."

Remember: That was the hippie humanitarian view from back then. It's much different from when people have those same opinions today.
 
2011-03-05 12:16:03 PM  

notmtwain: What distinguished Lincoln is that his views were able to evolve.


And this.

I can see where his thoughts might be that the people who were brought here as slaves from countries where they were enslaved, might not want to go home or stay here.
 
2011-03-05 12:16:58 PM  
And you've been breaking poor Abe's heart ever since, black people. He's not bitter, mind you. Just very, very sad.
 
2011-03-05 01:01:27 PM  
Looks like another farking idiot wants to refight the civil war.

your side lost assh*le. Get it? LOST.
 
2011-03-05 01:13:10 PM  
All the descendants of English/Irish/Scottish criminals, debtors, malcontents and religious dissenters transported to America should also be either repatriated to their homeland or resettled in the malaria-infested regions of the world.

It is only fair.
 
2011-03-05 01:18:39 PM  
He just wanted the black people to leave and go to central America because as we all know, Lincoln was secretly gay, and he knew that he could not help himself, and her would eventually go black and would never come back.
 
2011-03-05 01:38:18 PM  
Lincoln on Racial Equality:

I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man.

Lincoln in his speech to Charleston, Illinois, 1858
 
2011-03-05 02:11:16 PM  

real shaman: Lincoln on Racial Equality:

I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man.

Lincoln in his speech to Charleston, Illinois, 1858


It's not nice to blaspheme The Great and Powerful Lincoln.
 
2011-03-05 02:27:01 PM  
did that opinion stem from a personal distaste, or a belief that the two groups would never reconcile?
 
2011-03-05 02:28:22 PM  

Generation_D: Looks like another farking idiot wants to refight the civil war.


What's wrong with that?

I am excited about the celebrations of the 150th anniversary of Sherman's March to the Sea!
 
2011-03-05 02:29:00 PM  

real shaman:
Lincoln in his speech to Charleston, Illinois, 1858


Come on, got to post the whole speech for it's full effect:


"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people ... I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone."

"they did not mean to declare all men equal in all respects. They did not mean to say all men were equal in color, size, intellect, moral development or social capacity. They defined with tolerable distinctness in what they did consider all men created equal - equal in certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness ... They meant to set up a standard maxim for free society which should be familiar to all: constantly looked to, constantly labored for, and even, though never perfectly attained, constantly approximated, and thereby constantly spreading and deepening its influence and augmenting the happiness and value of life to all people, of all colors, every where."

"What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races."

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes- nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
 
2011-03-05 02:30:59 PM  
real shaman

My bad, that is actually not just one speech, but a few different sources for those quotes.

(hangs head)
 
2011-03-05 02:31:15 PM  
Lincoln changed his mind toward the end when it became clear the the slaves did not want to leave. He thought the slaves would never be truly free with white people around; so in a sense he was trying to do the humanitarian thing.
 
2011-03-05 02:31:24 PM  
it wasn't about slavery
 
2011-03-05 02:31:35 PM  
Let's not forget:
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-03-05 02:32:40 PM  
A fine, upstanding republican.

Oh right, Lincoln was a heroic Republican when he freed the slaves, a vile monstrous racist liberal when he fought the war of northern aggression. I keep getting the "double" part of "double standard" confused.

Go back to "real america" and stop taking welfare handouts from productive states, ya useless "south shall rise again" traitors.
 
2011-03-05 02:34:53 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: it wasn't about slavery


It was about STATESS55!!1! RIGHTSS51!!

/ To allow slavery
 
2011-03-05 02:37:14 PM  

tortilla burger: Lincoln changed his mind toward the end when it became clear the the slaves did not want to leave. He thought the slaves would never be truly free with white people around; so in a sense he was trying to do the humanitarian thing.


Hahaha.
 
2011-03-05 02:37:27 PM  
I never understood the deification of the great leaders in American history.

Yes, Lincoln was racist by our modern day standards.
Yes, the founding fathers were smugglers who didn't want to pay taxes.
Yes, Martin Luther King was an adulter.
Yes, FDR hid his condition from the country as much as he could.

That doesn't change the fact they did amazing things. If anything it makes what they did all the more amazing. Because they were people just like you and me, warts and all. And they still changed the world for the better.

No one ever said you had to be a saint to do it.
 
2011-03-05 02:38:03 PM  

jaytkay: TheShavingofOccam123: it wasn't about slavery

It was about STATESS55!!1! RIGHTSS51!!

/ To allow slavery


but only Negro slavery.
 
2011-03-05 02:39:33 PM  
notmtwain:
What distinguished Lincoln is that his views were able to evolve.
What's your excuse?


They took our jobs?

Or like they are just racist pricks. One of the two.
 
2011-03-05 02:39:54 PM  
Yes, because Liberia worked out so well...
 
2011-03-05 02:41:24 PM  
Whatever happened to "Be excellent to each other... and PARTY ON, DUDES!!"?
 
2011-03-05 02:41:55 PM  

s1ugg0: I never understood the deification of the great leaders in American history.



I read that as I never understood the defecation of the great leaders in American history.

Although that would explain why politicians are full of shiat.
 
2011-03-05 02:41:58 PM  
What did Lincoln say when he woke up from a 3 day drunk ?
I freed who ???
/Old loke is old
 
2011-03-05 02:42:21 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Let's not forget:


He's a superstar, at the Gay Bar.
 
2011-03-05 02:42:23 PM  
It's a little known fact that Lincoln actually didn't give a shiat about blacks or freeing them on moral grounds.
 
2011-03-05 02:43:01 PM  
Frederick Douglass held Lincoln in the highest esteem; I'll take his contemporary account over second-hand delineations of Lincoln's putative racism.

Besides, Lincoln was in the middle of the Civil War. I don't blame him for telling blacks to get the hell out of dodge for their own sakes.
 
2011-03-05 02:44:26 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Frederick Douglass held Lincoln in the highest esteem; I'll take his contemporary account over second-hand delineations of Lincoln's putative racism.

Besides, Lincoln was in the middle of the Civil War. I don't blame him for telling blacks to get the hell out of dodge for their own sakes.


Well he was wrong!

We all know how well blacks had it after the civil war!
 
2011-03-05 02:45:19 PM  
so, basically, Lincoln was an asshole like everyone else?
 
2011-03-05 02:46:12 PM  
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media.onsugar.com
 
2011-03-05 02:46:22 PM  
... so vote Republican Democrat Progressive Regressive.
 
2011-03-05 02:46:50 PM  
And I thought all facts had a liberal bias. Who knew?
 
2011-03-05 02:47:00 PM  

Infernalist: Yes, because Liberia worked out so well...


Link (new window)
Check out the one on Liberia. Holy. farking. shiat.
 
2011-03-05 02:49:38 PM  
Subby was in the basement reading group in primary school.
 
2011-03-05 02:50:25 PM  
Near eighty years ago we began by declaring that all men are created equal; but now from that beginning we have run down to the other declaration, that for some men to enslave others is a "sacred right of self-government." These principles can not stand together. They are as opposite as God and mammon; and whoever holds to the one, must despise the other.

...

Our republican robe is soiled, and trailed in the dust. Let us repurify it. Let us turn and wash it white, in the spirit, if not the blood, of the Revolution. Let us turn slavery from its claims of "moral right," back upon its existing legal rights, and its arguments of "necessity." Let us return it to the position our fathers gave it; and there let it rest in peace. Let us re-adopt the Declaration of Independence, and with it, the practices, and policy, which harmonize with it. Let north and south---let all Americans---let all lovers of liberty everywhere---join in the great and good work. If we do this, we shall not only have saved the Union; but we shall have so saved it, as to make, and to keep it, forever worthy of the saving. We shall have so saved it, that the succeeding millions of free happy people, the world over, shall rise up, and call us blessed, to the latest generations.

- Abraham Lincoln, October 1854
 
2011-03-05 02:51:23 PM  
Came for the rape. Leaving disappointed.
 
2011-03-05 02:51:58 PM  
www.cia.gov
 
2011-03-05 02:52:02 PM  
Old news is very old.
 
2011-03-05 02:54:49 PM  

s1ugg0: I never understood the deification of the great leaders in American history.

Yes, Lincoln was racist by our modern day standards.
Yes, the founding fathers were smugglers who didn't want to pay taxes.
Yes, Martin Luther King was an adulter.
Yes, FDR hid his condition from the country as much as he could.

That doesn't change the fact they did amazing things. If anything it makes what they did all the more amazing. Because they were people just like you and me, warts and all. And they still changed the world for the better.

No one ever said you had to be a saint to do it.


Wanting to avoid unjust taxes doesn't reallymake you a smuggler, at least if you expect a tax collecting government to do a damn thing for it's alleged people
 
2011-03-05 02:55:05 PM  
www.starwars.hu

What Abraham Lincoln's grandfather actually looked like.
 
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2011-03-05 02:57:41 PM  
next thing you know they'll be telling us Abe had curiously close relationships with men.
 
2011-03-05 02:58:10 PM  

TheOther: All the descendants of English/Irish/Scottish criminals, debtors, malcontents and religious dissenters transported to America should also be either repatriated to their homeland or resettled in the malaria-infested regions of the world.

It is only fair.


300 years ago England sent its Puritans to America.

150 years ago England send its felons and debtors to Australia.

Australia got the much better deal.
 
2011-03-05 02:59:43 PM  
From a Machiavellian point of view I could see that freeing the slaves was simply a method to cripple the south seeing as how the majority of their economy was based off slave labor.

So even though the Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves that doesn't necessarily mean that Lincoln as a person felt that slaves were equals. We can use as many quotes as we wish, but nobody alive can actually infer correctly as to what kind of person Lincoln was and why he did what he did.

That is of course unless we have some primary source that actually indicates the truthful reasoning behind what was done.
 
2011-03-05 03:04:03 PM  
WTF? What's with this sudden and recent resurgence with "OMG, forget all of the horrible things the South was involved in with relation to slavery, the North was bad, too!" I realize this has been going on since the war ended, but in the last week or two it's really spiked.
 
2011-03-05 03:05:11 PM  

lohphat: TheOther: All the descendants of English/Irish/Scottish criminals, debtors, malcontents and religious dissenters transported to America should also be either repatriated to their homeland or resettled in the malaria-infested regions of the world.

It is only fair.

300 years ago England sent its Puritans to America.

150 years ago England send its felons and debtors to Australia.

Australia got the much better deal.


No wonder Australia is a much more interesting place...
 
2011-03-05 03:05:55 PM  
Anybody else notice the concentrated effort to paint our nation's "heroes" in the worst light possible?

Newsflash, tardmitter, all of our nation's founding fathers and subsequent leaders were flawed human beings with weaknesses as well as strengths. Like you, none of them were perfect. That this nation not only survived those flaws and weaknesses but has thrived for the past 230 years is a testament of humanity's collective strengths.

There are plenty contemporary pariahs to find in our culture without the recent historical hatchet jobs.
 
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