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(Business Insider)   In a world... where Kadaffi rules with an iron fist... the Libyan people cry out for a savior... that man... is George Bush   (businessinsider.com) divider line 208
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2011-03-04 10:51:25 AM

Fart_Machine: So they want the Bush that decided not to occupy Iraq because it would break the coalition instead of the Bush that invaded it. It doesn't take balls to send in someone else to die. But it takes brains to have restraint and know when to use force Mr. Internet Tough Guy.


Yes and the first bush used restraint, think of it as bush trying to warn him but obviously he didnt take that warning very well.

Obama is very weak on a lot of things, he wont tell his own party to shut the fark up on topics, he wont get tough with companies or in the financial sector, and hes been a pushover for the right.

Obama has been a pussy, there is no denying that fact.
 
2011-03-04 10:53:25 AM

eudemonist: Alphax: I'm saying the deaths per DAY of the occupation were about that high.

Hmm, let's see, eight years, times 365 days equals 2920 days. At even 1,000 per day, you're talking about three million dead.

Yeah, no.


And why do you say no?
 
2011-03-04 10:54:12 AM

PacManDreaming: Don't be too sure about that. (^)


Awww shiat...we're boned.
 
2011-03-04 10:55:03 AM

eudemonist: Well...because Hussein had more than once commited genocide on his people to keep them down, whereas Cthulu has yet to make an appearance in the Middle East?


Are we limiting possible "worst-case scenarios" to scenarios that actually took place during Saddam's regime? Seems like that would make it pretty easy to say the regime is the "worst-case scenario." Tautologically easy, even.
 
2011-03-04 10:58:04 AM

Alphax: And why do you say no?


I haven't seen any estimates close to three million dead, much less thirty. Maybe you can point me to a link?
 
2011-03-04 10:59:27 AM

sprawl15: Are we limiting possible "worst-case scenarios" to scenarios that actually took place during Saddam's regime? Seems like that would make it pretty easy to say the regime is the "worst-case scenario." Tautologically easy, even.


Haha, nice. No, we aren't. Cthulu certainly would be a worse scenario.
 
2011-03-04 11:04:34 AM

Mr_Fabulous: This is a genuine, serious question. No bullshiat. I just want to know one thing, and maybe someone can help me understand.

What, exactly, is the mechanism or process by which bombing the shiat out of Iraq for mistaken reasons (and killing 100,000 people there) leads to a wave of democratic uprisings throughout the middle east 8 years later?

Second question: if most of these uprisings result in radical Islamist regimes 8 years from now, will George W. Bush still be the responsible party for what's going on there?


Uh, no. The blame for that scenario playing out will obviously fall on Obama's shoulders. He IS a seekrit mooselimb afterall.
 
2011-03-04 11:14:32 AM

eudemonist: sprawl15: Are we limiting possible "worst-case scenarios" to scenarios that actually took place during Saddam's regime? Seems like that would make it pretty easy to say the regime is the "worst-case scenario." Tautologically easy, even.

Haha, nice. No, we aren't. Cthulu certainly would be a worse scenario.


You are correct, WE aren't YOU are.

You cited his committing genocide on his own people vs. the occupation. Whatever Saddam did is completely irrelevant this discussion because we are not debating whether or not its better he is out of power. We are debating how good/bad the actual invasion/occupation was. Anything that occured pre-invasion is completely of of scope of the debate and utterly irrelevant.

Now, considering that the invasion was over in a few months, but because there was literally NO AFTER PLAN, it resulted in a bloody civil war between:
1) everyone and the U.S. occupation
2) each ethnic group vs. eachother on top of it
3) and then Al Qaeda (who was not in the country before hand) came in and didnt give a shiat who they were killing as long as they could gut some Westerners. All of this resulted in the infrastructure being further devastated and well over 100,000 documented direct civilian casualties.
I would say thats pretty damned bad. It also resulted in an overfocus on Iraq which caused all progress we had made in Afghanistan to almost completely fall apart. It cost us a massive amount of international credibilty with everyone in the world and especially the mid east because all evidence we used to justify the invasion was a lie, and then the administration looked like it was playing hopscotch as it jumped around looking for an ex post facto justifaction for the initial invasion.

Not to mention hundreds of billions of dollars have just dissapeared with no record of who or what it was used for. I would definitely have to call that worst case and thats just a back of the knapkin summary.

So yeah, I am sure Iraq was an AWESOME inspiration for the NONVIOLENT uprisings because damn, they sure as hell didn't want any fighting to start. But thats not what you meant was it?
 
2011-03-04 11:15:50 AM
Maybe nobody told the Libyans that George Bush is no longer our President.

"What? You guys get a new President every four or eight years? This makes no sense to me."
 
2011-03-04 11:16:52 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Now, considering that the invasion was over in a few months, but because there was literally NO AFTER PLAN


Seriously, how do you throw an invasion with no afterparty? People just get bored and leave, and you know Becky's going to try to get everyone over to her place when the invasion winds down and she's a total whore. You need plans, dawg.
 
2011-03-04 11:16:55 AM

eudemonist: Wicked Chinchilla: Iraq WAS the worst-case scenario.

No. Remember Halabja? Fifteen thousand innocents gassed to death?


Halabja resulted in the deaths of between 3,200 and 5,000 people not 15,000.

We were up to over 12,000 by the end of 2003 with the current total being a conservative estimate of over 100,000 according to WikiLeaks released documents from Iraqi War Logs from the US military.

So yeah, we beat em. USA! USA! USA!
 
2011-03-04 11:17:03 AM
I assume this a rebel leader looking to be the *next* Libyan puppet dictator for America.

Bush and his scuzzbag posse would be the people to talk to about that.
 
2011-03-04 11:21:06 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: But thats not what you meant was it?


What I meant was that our occupation of Iraq is by no means the "worst-case scenario" for regime change in that country. Kinda similar to what I said.

Wicked Chinchilla: You cited his committing genocide on his own people vs. the occupation. Whatever Saddam did is completely irrelevant this discussion because we are not debating whether or not its better he is out of power. We are debating how good/bad the actual invasion/occupation was. Anything that occured pre-invasion is completely of of scope of the debate and utterly irrelevant.


So you ARE limiting possible worst-case scenarios to our invasion and occupation?

Wicked Chinchilla: Not to mention hundreds of billions of dollars have just dissapeared with no record of who or what it was used for. I would definitely have to call that worst case and thats just a back of the knapkin summary.


It's intriguing to me that missing money is your primary criteria for "worst-case scenario". Whereas al-Anfal and the genocide of anywhere between one and two million insurgents in just over a year, well, that's not relevant.
 
2011-03-04 11:24:07 AM

Fart_Machine: Halabja resulted in the deaths of between 3,200 and 5,000 people not 15,000.


You are correct. I should have said "casualties". Good catch. Still...that was ONE DAY.
 
2011-03-04 11:31:00 AM

eudemonist: Fart_Machine: Halabja resulted in the deaths of between 3,200 and 5,000 people not 15,000.

You are correct. I should have said "casualties". Good catch. Still...that was ONE DAY.


Casualties equates with deaths so you'd still be wrong. And destroying the infrastructure, killing thousands more civilians, and leaving thousands more to anarchy, malnutrition, and disease is still worse.
 
2011-03-04 11:32:28 AM

steamingpile: Obama is very weak on a lot of things, he wont tell his own party to shut the fark up on topics, he wont get tough with companies or in the financial sector, and hes been a pushover for the right.


That would describe every President since Reagan.
 
2011-03-04 11:34:08 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: 3) and then Al Qaeda (who was not in the country before hand) came in and didnt give a shiat who they were killing as long as they could gut some Westerners. All of this resulted in the infrastructure being further devastated and well over 100,000 documented direct civilian casualties.


100,000 civilian casualties works out to less than what Saddam was killing per year in his campaign of genocide (well over a million over the course of the previous ten years). If we assume that he would have continued at roughly the same rate over the course of the invasion and the years he has since been out of power, then the number of civilians dying due to political violence in the time period since the invasion began has been reduced by a factor of eight (or more, since not all of the insurgency's civilian victims actually died). This is, of course, not ideal; everyone wants that number to be as close to zero as possible. But to say that it's not a major improvement is stretching things.
 
2011-03-04 11:36:08 AM

Fart_Machine: Casualties equates with deaths so you'd still be wrong.


No, they don't.

Fart_Machine: And destroying the infrastructure, killing thousands more civilians, and leaving thousands more to anarchy, malnutrition, and disease is still worse.


I disagree. Intentionally gassing civilians is worse, I believe. And we have yet to even approach the number of deaths of al-Anfal.
 
2011-03-04 11:39:38 AM

eudemonist: Intentionally gassing civilians is worse, I believe.


What's the ratio? How many accidentally killed civilians are equal to one gassed civilian? How many gassings can I trade for execution style killings? What about non-fatal torture that leaves a person mentally and physically crippled?

I'll offer you 10 rape room victims for 3 gassing victims, and you won't get me any lower.
 
2011-03-04 11:39:41 AM

eudemonist: No, they don't.


If you want to inflate that with injuries then the number from our invasion would be even higher.
 
2011-03-04 11:40:04 AM

Relatively Obscure: walrusonion: Not gonna do it.

Always enjoyed those, but his Ross Perot was superior.


I liked it when Carvey got bored with doing Bush and it became "Naa Gaaan Doit!" like he was trying to say the phrase using the least energy possible.
 
2011-03-04 11:42:03 AM

Fart_Machine: If you want to inflate that with injuries then the number from our invasion would be even higher.


Again correct. Let's go with the 4k dead in one day.
 
2011-03-04 11:42:04 AM
Slug in URL: libyan-rebel-begs-for-help-from-george-w-bush

Article and photo: George H.W. Bush, our 41st president.
 
2011-03-04 11:42:25 AM
steamingpile 2011-03-04 10:51:25 AM

Obama has been a pussy, there is no denying that fact."


// Probably not, the US admin is doing what it will do, no matter the party or president.
The -perception- you have is correct.
Its that lack of Authority in the man holding scepter, like a 12 yo king.
Presidents hold the scepter, the Admin. does the -job-
Admin. can and will do the Job, scepter and law notwithstanding.
 
2011-03-04 11:42:55 AM
hah - quote has been scrubbed from original Reuters link.
 
2011-03-04 11:43:47 AM

sprawl15: I'll offer you 10 rape room victims for 3 gassing victims, and you won't get me any lower.


Hmmm...are they hot?

Screw it, I'll trade anyhow. These bodies stink.
 
2011-03-04 11:44:55 AM

Thunderpipes: Nah, I am just one of the few people on this board with a brain, and without his nose shoved up Obama's stinkeye.


I wasn't talking about your political leanings; more of the genesis and structure of your thought process evidenced here. I'm not sure your politics are even worth getting into.


By the way, "stinkeye" doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
2011-03-04 11:51:39 AM

JSTACAT: // Probably not, the US admin is doing what it will do, no matter the party or president.
The -perception- you have is correct.
Its that lack of Authority in the man holding scepter, like a 12 yo king.
Presidents hold the scepter, the Admin. does the -job-
Admin. can and will do the Job, scepter and law notwithstanding.


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would like newsletter
 
2011-03-04 11:54:51 AM
t3.gstatic.com

Does Khadaffi wear glasses for the same reason as Sarah Palin?
Hopeing to look at least marginally smart?
Both fail....
 
2011-03-04 12:05:27 PM

Pharque-it: Does Khadaffi wear glasses for the same reason as Sarah Palin?
Hopeing to look at least marginally smart? It accentuates the combination of massive amounts of medication and digging their fingernails into their gaping head wounds.

 
2011-03-04 12:20:09 PM
"No Lexus convertible - Infiniti only."
 
2011-03-04 12:38:20 PM
i.imgur.com

hey libs, how does it feel to always be on the wrong side of history/facts/logic/etc?
 
2011-03-04 12:43:15 PM

perry_mason: hey libs, how does it feel to always be on the wrong side of history/facts/logic/etc?


like your mom's boobies
 
2011-03-04 12:43:43 PM

perry_mason: hey libs, how does it feel to always be on the wrong side of history/facts/logic/etc?


I'm an F-18 bro.
 
2011-03-04 01:03:25 PM
i.imgur.com

The friendly face of Freedom(tm).
 
2011-03-04 01:06:30 PM

perry_mason: hey libs, how does it feel to always be on the wrong side of history/facts/logic/etc?


er.. I'm afraid you will have to tell us...
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-03-04 01:30:16 PM

perry_mason: hey libs, how does it feel to always be on the wrong side of history/facts/logic/etc?


Why would we know?
 
2011-03-04 01:35:07 PM

hitlersbrain: perry_mason: hey libs, how does it feel to always be on the wrong side of history/facts/logic/etc?

er.. I'm afraid you will have to tell us...


I believe Rumsfeld killed him after that pic.
 
2011-03-04 01:38:32 PM
From an AP article:
....Washington has also cultivated ties with Gadhafi.

In 2008, former president George W. Bush sent his top diplomat Condoleezza Rice to Libya for talks with Gadhafi. She called the trip "historic" and said it had "come after a lot of difficulty, the suffering of many people that will never be forgotten or assuaged."

The same year, Texas-based Exxon Mobil signed an exploration agreement with the Libyan National Oil Corp. to explore for hydrocarbons off the Libyan coast.

The U.S. also approved the sale of military items to Libya in recent years, giving private arms firms licenses to sell everything from explosives and incendiary agents to aircraft parts and targeting equipment.

The Bush administration approved the sale of $3 million of materials to Libya in 2006 and $5.3 million in 2007. In 2008, Libya was allowed to import $46 million in armaments from the U.S. The approved goods included nearly 400 shipments of explosive and incendiary materials, 25,000 aircraft parts, 56,000 military electronics components and nearly 1,000 items of optical targeting and other guidance equipment.



Yep, this hasn't (or will likely) come back to bite us in the butt at all. It's one thing to normalize relations, sit down and talk about things, negotiate issues and yet another to allow arm merchants to sell instruments of death to tinhorn dictators. When we will we farking learn this lesson?
 
2011-03-04 01:58:40 PM

perry_mason: hey libs, how does it feel to always be on the wrong side of history/facts/logic/etc?


i.imgur.commedia.komonews.com

This is what happens when Republicans don't widen their stock image cache.
 
2011-03-04 02:13:43 PM
"The Bush administration approved the sale of $3 million of materials to Libya in 2006 and $5.3 million in 2007. In 2008, Libya was allowed to import $46 million in armaments from the U.S. The approved goods included nearly 400 shipments of explosive and incendiary materials, 25,000 aircraft parts, 56,000 military electronics components and nearly 1,000 items of optical targeting and other guidance equipment."
-------------------------------------------------------------
// LoL; thousands, millions, huh.
Looks like a fruitcake and candy sampler each Christmas, and a late model jet on his birthday.
Good diplomacy, understanding the culture, giving the kinds of tokens that won't be thrown out.

0bama lacks the innate understanding of ME political thought that would allow him to give appropriate holiday souvenirs, or be respected when giving advice.
His sec of state aggravates the situation, like sulfuric acid irritates a burn.
That is one of the hazards of living in an ivory tower, ignorance.

So, our Foreign Policy Limousine Languishes roadside,
the driver is tipsey,
lost,
and out
of petrol

Less than 100 feet from 1/10 of the world's petrol supply!
 
2011-03-04 02:23:14 PM

JSTACAT: 1/10


That about sums up everything you just said.
 
2011-03-04 02:33:35 PM
thamike 2011-03-04 02:23:14 PM
JSTACAT: 1/10

That about sums up everything you just said."

// oops, my bad. Incomplete portrayal.
To be fair, the Petrol is located behind a stand of,
well,
Bushes
 
2011-03-04 02:36:03 PM

JSTACAT: thamike 2011-03-04 02:23:14 PM
JSTACAT: 1/10

That about sums up everything you just said."

// oops, my bad. Incomplete portrayal.
To be fair, the Petrol is located behind a stand of,
well,
Bushes


Yeah, I remember my first meth weekend, too. I just hope you have plastic blinds instead of curtains.
 
2011-03-04 02:37:03 PM
JSTACAT
0bama lacks the innate understanding of ME political thought that would allow him to give appropriate holiday souvenirs, or be respected when giving advice.
His sec of state aggravates the situation, like sulfuric acid irritates a burn.
That is one of the hazards of living in an ivory tower, ignorance.

So, our Foreign Policy Limousine Languishes roadside,
the driver is tipsey,
lost,
and out
of petrol

Less than 100 feet from 1/10 of the world's petrol supply!


Are you really drunk or just enjoying the Limbaugh prescription drug diet?
 
2011-03-04 02:51:34 PM
Why the fark aren't these Libyan pilots that are defecting bombing their own damn country?

/we wanna run away and have someone else do alllllll our work forward!
//Hey look! Theres America the sucker! I bet we can murder their children in exchange for their help! And then we can blame them when we elect the next puppet dictator!
 
2011-03-04 03:00:40 PM

Verzio: randomjsa: Why do I find myself in the strange position of defending Obama? He's done what he can do.

Well, I am wondering why the George H. W. Bush group went back to Norfolk on February 23rd after the group was certified combat ready, instead of being steamed to the Mediterranean during the last week.

I'm not saying there isn't good reason to favor moving Enterprise from the Arabian Sea to the Med and leave Bush in port, because I don't know enough about the details. But sending Bush and company to the Med would certainly send the unmistakable message that the administration is paying close and interested attention. (Especially given the name.)


Nah, send in the Reagan and send a stronger message from someone they are more familar with.
jockey382.com
 
2011-03-04 03:15:38 PM
patrick767 [TotalFark] 2011-03-04 02:37:03 PM
JSTACAT
0bama lacks the innate understanding of ME political thought that would allow him to give appropriate holiday souvenirs, or be respected when giving advice.
His sec of state aggravates the situation, like sulfuric acid irritates a burn.
That is one of the hazards of living in an ivory tower, ignorance.

So, our Foreign Policy Limousine Languishes roadside,
the driver is tipsey,
lost,
and out
of petrol

Less than 100 feet from 1/10 of the world's petrol supply!

Are you really drunk or just enjoying the Limbaugh prescription drug diet?

// You misunderstand, i am making doomsday jokes here.
We, as a nation, and world are really in trouble.
Juggling nukes, with butter on our fingers.

All the contingencies we could have prepared for, having up to 40 yrs notice--- And we didn't, not one.
Uncle Sam is now caught out on the lawn in his underwear, can't remember if there is a clip in his Glock....

We all thought 0bama would be a good diplomat, accomplishing effective meetings with world leaders.

Gadhafi is still a world leader bye the way, Due process ought be extended to him too; to act otherwise is lawless when you think about it.
Don't think for a minute the alleged Lawlessness of the US is not being tried out.

Where the hell are the diplomatic meetings? Not the ring kissing gown modeling stuff, the homeworkey stuff.
At least he could fly them over to his holiday digs in Hawaii, right?

Not like anyone can ignore this, we need stable fuel supplies, more to the point
-I- need stable fuel supplies.
 
2011-03-04 03:24:48 PM

JSTACAT: -I- need stable fuel supplies.


Nyquil is not recognized as a 'fuel'.
 
2011-03-04 03:35:26 PM
All about ME
i25.tinypic.com
Yes, it is

Be thankful ME wants some of the same things you do
And,
get used to it
 
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