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2011-03-03 01:06:09 AM  
Donahoe said that as of Sept. 30 his agency will owe the federal government a payment of $5.5 billion to fund medical costs, in advance, for future retirees, and in November it will need to make a $1.3 billion payment for worker's compensation.

But, alone among federal agencies, the post office is required to pay about $5.5 billion annually into an account to fund future retiree medical benefits.


Jeebus Cripes! They're going to have to raise rates to the point they are no longer a competitive option when it comes to mailing packages. I don't see them lasting down the road.

/After WWIII the pony express will ride again
 
2011-03-03 01:18:26 AM  
People use the mail with Netflix?

I have to admit, when I clicked the link, I was expecting some doom and gloom about Microsoft.. the USPS wasn't anywhere close to coming up.
 
2011-03-03 01:30:13 AM  

Meet Us at the Stick: People use the mail with Netflix?

I have to admit, when I clicked the link, I was expecting some doom and gloom about Microsoft.. the USPS wasn't anywhere close to coming up.


Same here. I hate headlines like this.
 
2011-03-03 01:31:38 AM  
The USPS is doing fine with my Netflix discs. One day each way, so nine a week. The problem is that the top hundred or so discs on my queue -- and these are not entirely recent movies -- are Short Wait, Long Wait, Very Long Wait and You Should Live So Long.

Netflix is moving towards entirely streaming, which is fine for some, but not for me.
 
2011-03-03 01:38:14 AM  

muck4doo: I don't see them lasting down the road.


How about they quit giving ridiculous volume discounts the the assholes that stuff my mailbox full of garbage I don't care about? Since when has mass arborcidal spamming been worthy of half-price postage?
 
2011-03-03 01:57:01 AM  
Gonna have to get used to using the slightly more expensive, but infinitely faster and more stable UPS option on Amazon.

I'll get over it.
 
2011-03-03 02:12:01 AM  
You know what would solve their problem, and the problem of the 50 million and counting uninsured? A public option health plan! Amazing. Ironic though, that the post office has a stable business plan, it's just struggling to pay the outrageous health care costs.
 
2011-03-03 02:14:30 AM  
Drinking and driving. What's up with that?

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2011-03-03 02:15:02 AM  

doyner: muck4doo: I don't see them lasting down the road.

How about they quit giving ridiculous volume discounts the the assholes that stuff my mailbox full of garbage I don't care about? Since when has mass arborcidal spamming been worthy of half-price postage?


THIS.

We waste too much resources moving around paper that 90% of people don't want.

The bulk mailing houses get discounts but they don't have to bear the brunt of the affects and costs caused by their methodology.

How about eliminating bulk rates but keep discounts for presorted ZIP+4 mailings and raise first class to a $1.

Landfill and its associated handling costs are eliminated.
 
2011-03-03 02:20:39 AM  

lohphat: doyner: muck4doo: I don't see them lasting down the road.

How about they quit giving ridiculous volume discounts the the assholes that stuff my mailbox full of garbage I don't care about? Since when has mass arborcidal spamming been worthy of half-price postage?

THIS.

We waste too much resources moving around paper that 90% of people don't want.

The bulk mailing houses get discounts but they don't have to bear the brunt of the affects and costs caused by their methodology.

How about eliminating bulk rates but keep discounts for presorted ZIP+4 mailings and raise first class to a $1.

Landfill and its associated handling costs are eliminated.


I have even less respect for junk mailers than I used to. Haven't you motherfarkers ever heard of email spam?
 
2011-03-03 02:50:12 AM  
Meh, I suspended Netflix after getting thottled on new releases. Month-long wait on Archer and Family Guy It's a Trap. Riiiiiight
 
2011-03-03 02:54:00 AM  
THEY NEED. TO END. RURAL DELIVERY.

Seriously, they've been begging Congress to let them for years. It's why they're going broke. Any idea how much it costs to air-lift mail to everyone in the Alaskan interior?

/hell, they can cut Saturday service while they're at it, if that will help.
 
2011-03-03 02:56:42 AM  
First they came for the teachers, and I remained silent because I was not a teacher;
Then they came for the cops, and I remained silent because, ya know, they're cops;
Then they came for the firemen, and I remained silent because, socialism;
Now they're coming for the mailmen. The mailmen! Reba!
 
2011-03-03 02:59:26 AM  

lohphat: How about eliminating bulk rates but keep discounts for presorted ZIP+4 mailings and raise first class to a $1.

Landfill and its associated handling costs are eliminated.


The cost of fuel and labor to move the trucks themselves would have to be divided among much smaller loads. $1 might be very, very optimistic.
 
2011-03-03 03:39:05 AM  
Without some important changes to the law the post office "cannot survive as a self-financing entity," Donahoe said.

Whoever said it was supposed to be? Government programs shouldn't be run for profit - that's why they're handled by the government and not private industry. Oh sure we could let industry handle water distribution and road management too, if you'd like to pay a dollar a gallon or a toll every five miles. Some things are good use of taxpayer money
 
2011-03-03 03:57:46 AM  

doyner: How about they quit giving ridiculous volume discounts the the assholes that stuff my mailbox full of garbage I don't care about? Since when has mass arborcidal spamming been worthy of half-price postage?


this would probably cut down on your junk mail, but increase the rate at which the p.o. goes broke.

the real problem is.... fark libs would hate to admit it... you guessed it...
 
2011-03-03 04:02:15 AM  

proteus_b: doyner: How about they quit giving ridiculous volume discounts the the assholes that stuff my mailbox full of garbage I don't care about? Since when has mass arborcidal spamming been worthy of half-price postage?

this would probably cut down on your junk mail, but increase the rate at which the p.o. goes broke.

the real problem is.... fark libs would hate to admit it... you guessed it...


The costs involved in having a rapid mail system covering thousands and thousands of miles of rural areas where there's absolutely no way that $2 postage covers the cost of shipping the mail there?

If USPS was allowed to operate like a private company, it would be perfectly profitable... but since they can't legally cut the services that are actually unprofitable, because that would piss of all the Senators from the middle of the country, they're expected to make a profit on something inherently unprofitable.
 
2011-03-03 04:07:53 AM  

Gdiguy: If USPS was allowed to operate like a private company, it would be perfectly profitable... but since they can't legally cut the services that are actually unprofitable, because that would piss of all the Senators from the middle of the country, they're expected to make a profit on something inherently unprofitable.


so wait, you want to strip all those poor postal workers of their defined benefits pensions? fascist palinite bastard! how dare you! privatizing everything isn't the answer. the real solution is to increase the wages and benefits of non merit-based work, add more government workers. once the private sector has been whittled down to nothing, we'll finally have achieved a just society, just like we have in cuba.
 
2011-03-03 05:27:42 AM  
Saturday service will end soon. I just had a business strategy class with a group that did a big report on this. They also analyzed how this would affect the current Netflix model
 
2011-03-03 07:09:16 AM  
Gdiguy: If USPS was allowed to operate like a private company, it would be perfectly profitable... but since they can't legally cut the services that are actually unprofitable, because that would piss of all the Senators from the middle of the country, they're expected to make a profit on something inherently unprofitable.

Is there a reason they can't or won't switch to charging rates based on local costs rather than a blanket cost?
 
2011-03-03 07:42:11 AM  

overlord: Is there a reason they can't or won't switch to charging rates based on local costs rather than a blanket cost?


Congressional mandate. They get given impossible mandates.

Same reason that first class stamps are currently 44c, and they have to make a begging case to Congress to even keep up with CPI, when it's the equivalent of 85c to mail a letter from one end of Belgium to the other. Hell, sending a domestic letter in Mexico is 60c.
 
2011-03-03 07:46:04 AM  
My suggestions:

1. Anyone who lives more than 1/2 mile away from their nearest neighbor has to get a PO Box.

2. Eliminate Wednesday mail delivery. Leave Saturday mail alone. That way the 2 non-delivery days aren't back to back.

3. Hire low paid seasonal employees to help the extra volume caused by Xmas, Mother's Day, and Valentine's Day.
 
2011-03-03 07:50:57 AM  

bark_atda_moon: 3. Hire low paid seasonal employees to help the extra volume caused by Xmas, Mother's Day, and Valentine's Day


Why do you hate unions?
 
2011-03-03 08:01:53 AM  
end rural delivery and stop delivering one day during the middle of the week.
 
2011-03-03 08:10:23 AM  

muck4doo: Donahoe said that as of Sept. 30 his agency will owe the federal government a payment of $5.5 billion to fund medical costs, in advance, for future retirees, and in November it will need to make a $1.3 billion payment for worker's compensation.

But, alone among federal agencies, the post office is required to pay about $5.5 billion annually into an account to fund future retiree medical benefits.

Jeebus Cripes! They're going to have to raise rates to the point they are no longer a competitive option when it comes to mailing packages. I don't see them lasting down the road.

/After WWIII the pony express will ride again


Nah, they will just try to bring back the email stamp tax.

But seriously I hate the mail because my box is always full and 95% of it is spam junk mail.
 
2011-03-03 08:18:19 AM  
The post office has it backwards. You must pay for a PO box, but you get *free* home delivery.

They should flip it around - give everyone a free PO box and charge for home delivery.

Then you open up the market to competing private enterprises who can offer home delivery for entire neighborhoods.
 
2011-03-03 08:25:21 AM  

FaRuvius: The post office has it backwards. You must pay for a PO box, but you get *free* home delivery.

They should flip it around - give everyone a free PO box and charge for home delivery.

Then you open up the market to competing private enterprises who can offer home delivery for entire neighborhoods.


A truly great idea that will solve all sorts of problems, and thus never happen.
 
2011-03-03 08:25:59 AM  

FaRuvius: The post office has it backwards. You must pay for a PO box, but you get *free* home delivery.

They should flip it around - give everyone a free PO box and charge for home delivery.


I like this idea, particularly for rural areas. The only hitch might be that most post offices are undersized for the potential increase in volume that they'd have to store there. Perhaps having a few mail stations (not staffed offices) around a town would solve that.

I'd also support an idea for alternate-day delivery for home delivery (Mon-Wed-Fri for some, Tue-Thu-Sat for others).
 
2011-03-03 08:27:08 AM  

doyner: muck4doo: I don't see them lasting down the road.

How about they quit giving ridiculous volume discounts the the assholes that stuff my mailbox full of garbage I don't care about? Since when has mass arborcidal spamming been worthy of half-price postage?


Since the mailers presort it and put it on pallets themselves. Which moves expensive union jobs from the USPS to inexpensive non-union jobs at the individual mailers.
 
2011-03-03 08:28:17 AM  
Can't they just sell all the items they've "lost" over the years and make a huge windfall?
 
2011-03-03 08:29:11 AM  

lohphat: doyner: muck4doo: I don't see them lasting down the road.

How about they quit giving ridiculous volume discounts the the assholes that stuff my mailbox full of garbage I don't care about? Since when has mass arborcidal spamming been worthy of half-price postage?

THIS.

We waste too much resources moving around paper that 90% of people don't want.

The bulk mailing houses get discounts but they don't have to bear the brunt of the affects and costs caused by their methodology.

How about eliminating bulk rates but keep discounts for presorted ZIP+4 mailings and raise first class to a $1.

Landfill and its associated handling costs are eliminated.


There are too many organizations that take advantage of the direct (junk) mail. That there is no support for ending it.
It is cheap advertising for non-profits, namely:
National committee of a political party (the organization responsible for the party's day-to-day operation at the national level).
State committee of a political party (the organization responsible for the party's day-to-day operation at the state level).
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
The National Republican Congressional Committee.
The National Republican Senatorial Committee
pdf (new window)
Good luck getting their support in having that removed.
 
2011-03-03 08:35:23 AM  

DKinMN: FaRuvius: The post office has it backwards. You must pay for a PO box, but you get *free* home delivery.

They should flip it around - give everyone a free PO box and charge for home delivery.

Then you open up the market to competing private enterprises who can offer home delivery for entire neighborhoods.

A truly great idea that will solve all sorts of problems, and thus never happen.


Great for the young, the able bodied, and the rich. Not so great for the poor, the old, and the infirm. Another fine Republican solution which boils down to fark the weak.

No what really really needs to happen is for their to be postal reform law that takes politicians our of the decision making process. You think unions are expensive? Try running a buisness where you have no freedom to set hiring practices, cost of product, reduction in retail outlets, reduction in real estate, payments to retirement funds, or payments to health care funds.

It is amazing that the USPS is not all ready bankrupt and has managed to keep the politicians party going for so long. What the real problem with the USPS is that every time they try to keep the company from running into the red some political farktard stops them from doing it, because their constituents biatch. The politicians don't give a shiat if the USPS runs a deficit, only that anything that happens does not cause the old farks in their districts to biatch.
 
2011-03-03 08:37:43 AM  

lohphat: doyner: muck4doo: I don't see them lasting down the road.

How about they quit giving ridiculous volume discounts the the assholes that stuff my mailbox full of garbage I don't care about? Since when has mass arborcidal spamming been worthy of half-price postage?

THIS.

We waste too much resources moving around paper that 90% of people don't want.

The bulk mailing houses get discounts but they don't have to bear the brunt of the affects and costs caused by their methodology.

How about eliminating bulk rates but keep discounts for presorted ZIP+4 mailings and raise first class to a $1.

Landfill and its associated handling costs are eliminated.


You act like it is in the hands of the USPS, it is not it is in the hands of congress. Your congress critters voted down the last rate increase, because the direct mailers (i.e. junk mailers) biatched and donated money to congress critters in order to stop that.
 
2011-03-03 09:02:16 AM  
1) Make USPS delivery vehicles more fuel efficient
2) Don't give raises to Congress members
 
2011-03-03 09:06:51 AM  

Meet Us at the Stick: People use the mail with Netflix?


The DVD for "Sleep Dealer" has been sitting on my desk for at least 2 months. I don't hold a lot of concern that anybody might be waiting for me to mail it back.
 
2011-03-03 09:09:49 AM  

liam76: bark_atda_moon: 3. Hire low paid seasonal employees to help the extra volume caused by Xmas, Mother's Day, and Valentine's Day

Why do you hate unions?


I don't. The Census Bureau can hire some temporary employees when need be, why can't the Post Office?
 
2011-03-03 09:10:07 AM  

starlost: end rural delivery and stop delivering one day during the middle of the week.


Would you want to work in a job where Wednesday and Sunday were the two days you got off each week? Wouldn't that make it difficult to do anything fun on the "weekend"?
 
2011-03-03 09:10:56 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: DKinMN: FaRuvius: The post office has it backwards. You must pay for a PO box, but you get *free* home delivery.

They should flip it around - give everyone a free PO box and charge for home delivery.

Then you open up the market to competing private enterprises who can offer home delivery for entire neighborhoods.

A truly great idea that will solve all sorts of problems, and thus never happen.

Great for the young, the able bodied, and the rich. Not so great for the poor, the old, and the infirm. Another fine Republican solution which boils down to fark the weak.

No what really really needs to happen is for their to be postal reform law that takes politicians our of the decision making process. You think unions are expensive? Try running a buisness where you have no freedom to set hiring practices, cost of product, reduction in retail outlets, reduction in real estate, payments to retirement funds, or payments to health care funds.

It is amazing that the USPS is not all ready bankrupt and has managed to keep the politicians party going for so long. What the real problem with the USPS is that every time they try to keep the company from running into the red some political farktard stops them from doing it, because their constituents biatch. The politicians don't give a shiat if the USPS runs a deficit, only that anything that happens does not cause the old farks in their districts to biatch.


Did you miss the part where there would be competition from private firms for home delivery from the hubs, or were you in such a hurry to bash Republicans that you skipped that part?
 
2011-03-03 09:11:19 AM  

bark_atda_moon: liam76: bark_atda_moon: 3. Hire low paid seasonal employees to help the extra volume caused by Xmas, Mother's Day, and Valentine's Day

Why do you hate unions?

I don't. The Census Bureau can hire some temporary employees when need be, why can't the Post Office?


Because the Census only needs them for a few months every ten years.
 
2011-03-03 09:12:15 AM  
FTFA:"We think there is plenty of growth available in standard mail, in the package market" and other new products, he said. In addition the agency is exploring electronic opportunities, he said.

Electronic mail? I don't think that will ever catch on.
 
2011-03-03 09:15:38 AM  

DJanomaly: Saturday service will end soon. I just had a business strategy class with a group that did a big report on this. They also analyzed how this would affect the current Netflix model


Having two straight days of no delivery is not optimal. Stopping Tuesday or Wednesday makes better sense.
 
2011-03-03 09:36:12 AM  
Simple: deliver only to even zip codes on MWF, odd zip codes on TuThSa. The USPS could then lay off half their delivery force and save a ton of money.

I can't think of any single piece of mail where it would make a difference if it came one day later. And if it really needed to get there, I'd use FedEx.
 
2011-03-03 09:42:39 AM  
We Await Silent Tristero's Empire
 
2011-03-03 09:45:46 AM  

DKinMN: Slaves2Darkness: DKinMN: FaRuvius: The post office has it backwards. You must pay for a PO box, but you get *free* home delivery.

They should flip it around - give everyone a free PO box and charge for home delivery.

Then you open up the market to competing private enterprises who can offer home delivery for entire neighborhoods.

A truly great idea that will solve all sorts of problems, and thus never happen.

Great for the young, the able bodied, and the rich. Not so great for the poor, the old, and the infirm. Another fine Republican solution which boils down to fark the weak.

No what really really needs to happen is for their to be postal reform law that takes politicians our of the decision making process. You think unions are expensive? Try running a buisness where you have no freedom to set hiring practices, cost of product, reduction in retail outlets, reduction in real estate, payments to retirement funds, or payments to health care funds.

It is amazing that the USPS is not all ready bankrupt and has managed to keep the politicians party going for so long. What the real problem with the USPS is that every time they try to keep the company from running into the red some political farktard stops them from doing it, because their constituents biatch. The politicians don't give a shiat if the USPS runs a deficit, only that anything that happens does not cause the old farks in their districts to biatch.

Did you miss the part where there would be competition from private firms for home delivery from the hubs, or were you in such a hurry to bash Republicans that you skipped that part?



Sure as long as private firms operate under the same restrictions as the USPS or you allow the USPS to operate as private firms. Let me give you a hint though, no private firm wants to be restricted in the rates they can set for shipping, be required to deliver to all legal addresses in the US six days a week, and be forced to give hiring preferences to veterans.

Congress does not want the USPS to operate as a private firm. They are not about to allow the USPS to stop delivering mail six days a week, are not about to let the USPS set rates nationwide or even allow them variable rates based on distance shipped, and they sure as hell are not going to allow the USPS to give up their hiring requirements.

Your solution is short sighted and again hurts the poor, the elderly, and the infirm. Again it is a Republican solution. You say I'm bashing the Republicans, but I ask you which party is opposed to social safety nets, unions, welfare. Which party loves guns, but hates butter?
 
2011-03-03 09:49:40 AM  

bark_atda_moon: My suggestions:

1. Anyone who lives more than 1/2 mile away from their nearest neighbor has to get a PO Box.

2. Eliminate Wednesday mail delivery. Leave Saturday mail alone. That way the 2 non-delivery days aren't back to back.

3. Hire low paid seasonal employees to help the extra volume caused by Xmas, Mother's Day, and Valentine's Day.


1. You would have to change the postal laws, good luck with that.

2. Saturday delivery makes more sense as it is least disruptive to buisness.

3. USPS all ready does this.
 
2011-03-03 09:49:54 AM  
Maybe if the US gov quit retiring people at 45 at a pay rate that boggles the mind we could fix this sort of thing??
 
2011-03-03 09:53:23 AM  

accountblocked: Maybe if the US gov quit retiring people at 45 at a pay rate that boggles the mind we could fix this sort of thing??


Postal workers don't work for the US government. They work for the US postal service.
 
2011-03-03 09:59:41 AM  

t3knomanser: accountblocked: Maybe if the US gov quit retiring people at 45 at a pay rate that boggles the mind we could fix this sort of thing??

Postal workers don't work for the US government. They work for the US postal service.


But are still classified as federal employees.
 
2011-03-03 10:01:35 AM  

FaRuvius: The post office has it backwards. You must pay for a PO box, but you get *free* home delivery.

They should flip it around - give everyone a free PO box and charge for home delivery.

Then you open up the market to competing private enterprises who can offer home delivery for entire neighborhoods.


I don't think my local post office could handle the 50,000 homes that would be trying to get their mail with the 15 parking spots that they have.

Just make bulk mailers pay regular postal rates. That should double their profit or at least end the junk mail in my mailbox.
 
2011-03-03 10:02:57 AM  

DKinMN: Did you miss the part where there would be competition from private firms for home delivery from the hubs, or were you in such a hurry to bash Republicans that you skipped that part?


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