snuff3r: "Farking terrible" is an understatement.

"Missed the point" an infinitely bigger one. Don't feel bad you're hardly alone.

Nah. I'm a cylon, you're a cylon, no *I'm* a cylon whoop God's a Cylon.

New BSG was utter, utter crap.

/But it felt intense with teh shakycam!

snuff3r
TFA: Battlestar Galactica (2004 version)

Yeah, not shiat. After that ending i'm not surprised that no real thought went into it. "Farking terrible" is an understatement.

Came here to say just this.

Also: Swamp Thing.

Not to be a weeaboo but I do wish the anime style of story telling where there's basically one show that spans 13 or 26 episodes or whatever were more common in the US. We probably wouldn't get so pissed off at shows if that were the case. Then again, it's hard to milk a series dry if the story is set in stone before the first episode even airs.

Six classic series you didn't know were made up on the fly.

Wait, there was someone who didn't know those were made up on the fly? Really? I mean, I guess someone who'd never watched any of them. Or heard of them. All the rest of us had kinda figured that out already.

Just curious about a few things. At what point did Lost become a classic anything? It was shiate from the beginning. Once they started reading their website forums and tried to change the story based on the fact that the viewers had figured out their big plot twist. (what a twist...) the show became even more brown and runny. But it was never a classic. The only reason BSG gets rights to the term is because it's loosely derivative of a show from the bad old days of television. On top of that, putting 24 in any list with "classic" in the title is also a load of crap.

Calling either of those shows classic is like saying "A classic ford focus" or "a classic sierra mist"

Pretty obvious list.

BSG started out great but devolved into utter crap and ended horribly. I hardly ever watch entire series, made an exception for that one. It was a mistake that only affirmed my reticence to get involved with TV shows.

X Files was much better when it was "Monster of the Week". It could be funny, explore different things, have some variety. But then it turned into some brooding drama that took itself too seriously and I lost interest.

I've never seen Lost beyond a few minutes here or there. Nothing I have ever heard about it makes me want to watch it, either.

They killed Superman in the comic books because the New Adventures of Superman was renewed for another two seasons.

The executives wanted Clark & Lois to get married in the comics and on TV at the same time, however because that marriage was meant to be the big season finale the poor comic book people needed something to do in the meantime - namely kill, then resurrect, Superman.

Confabulat
Memoryalpha: At what point did Lost become a classic anything?

Just cause you were too cool to watch it, doesn't mean that it won't be remembered.

Ashamed as I am to admit it, I did watch quite a bit of lost. I wouldn't be able to be so adamant about how bad it was if I hadn't. I really wish I could have that time back. As to it being remembered, there are plenty of awful things in the world and on television that will be remembered. That doesn't make them classic, or even good.

BSG - Everyone kept saying how great it was so I watched the whole series. I kept waiting for it to get good. Once Hendrix started playing I just face-palmed and gave up.

Lost - Why don't we ditch the expression "Jumped the shark" and change it to "Opened the hatch". It all went to shiat after that. It had a great first season and a half, watchable second season, then ... Everyone, including me, figured out the island's secret long ago and the producers vehemently denied it instead of just keeping quiet. A-holes just stringing us along.

9 movies, yea right. I could see someone writing the basic backbone of those nine episodes of Star Wars.

"There's a young kid, he's really powerful and he's got the power to fix the universe. He's special. These other special guys find him, but then somewhere he turns bad. Before that he has two kids. That's important for later. So he turns bad and starts blowing up planets. The rest of the universe wants to stop him but they cant because he can blow up planets and choke you out with his mind. Eventually one of those kids he has actually steps up to fight his own father but he doesnt know it (how cool is that) Eventually the kid gets stronger, the good guys prevail and the father turns back to good and we have a huge party.

...Also ewoks."

Memoryalpha: Once they started reading their website forums and tried to change the story based on the fact that the viewers had figured out their big plot twist. (what a twist...) the show became even more brown and runny.

I don't see why a writer would do that. Either your foreshadowing is paying off, or your fans are hurling stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks (mostly to gloat that they "called it").

Confabulat
Memoryalpha: Ashamed as I am to admit it, I did watch quite a bit of lost. I wouldn't be able to be so adamant about how bad it was if I hadn't

Well that's all your fault, isn't it?
It's TV. Don't ask it to be the most awesome thing ever and maybe you'll remember why it's fun.

I don't and never would ask TV to be the most awesome thing in the world. However once in a while being pretty good and at least trying to stay that way might be nice.
Lost never even tried not being bad in the first place. Now as to fault? No it was more like morbid fascination. Anyway, it has become pretty obvious that you're a diehard fan of that piece of shiate show and that's fine, but don't try to insist that was good at any point. And it still isn't classic anything. Also, if you haven't watched television lately you wouldn't know this but nothing much has changed since before lost began let alone after it went off the air. It's still the same garbage but with more reality shows. So your earlier statement that it changed american network television is pretty much wishful thinking.
Story arcs and getting dropped into the middle of a story have happened in several shows over the years and many of those were well before lost was even thought of. Suffice it to say that no, your pet show isn't special, never was and never will be Except to you and it's other fans. That doesn't mean it isn't garbage, that just means that you liked it. Heck, some people like headcheese.

Most fans don't realize that the famous "Episode IV" isn't anywhere in the original opening crawl -- it was only added to later prints
Wrong. Anyone who refers to Star Wars as episode IV or any shiat is not a fan, same goes for Empire Strikes Back and Return Of the Jedi.

#5.Battlestar Galactica (2004 version)
Classic? Really?

#4.The X-Files
Didn't know? Really? This show was like the Twilight Zone/Outer Limits, except it always had the same lead characters.

Fark this, This list isn't worth clicking on the 'next page' button for.

hah, the twin peaks thing with the set decorator really sounds like lynch

TFA: The first film says it's "Episode IV" right in the opening credits. That's what makes Star Wars different from, say, Transformers or even the Matrix trilogy -- it was a single grand epic spawned in the possibly deranged mind of George Lucas long before cameras started rolling on the first film.

DarthBrooks: TFA: The first film says it's "Episode IV" right in the opening credits. That's what makes Star Wars different from, say, Transformers or even the Matrix trilogy -- it was a single grand epic spawned in the possibly deranged mind of George Lucas long before cameras started rolling on the first film.

Article comprehension fail.

LoveRBS: 9 movies, yea right. I could see someone writing the basic backbone of those nine episodes of Star Wars.

"There's a young kid, he's really powerful and he's got the power to fix the universe. He's special. These other special guys find him, but then somewhere he turns bad. Before that he has two kids. That's important for later. So he turns bad and starts blowing up planets. The rest of the universe wants to stop him but they cant because he can blow up planets and choke you out with his mind. Eventually one of those kids he has actually steps up to fight his own father but he doesnt know it (how cool is that) Eventually the kid gets stronger, the good guys prevail and the father turns back to good and we have a huge party.

...Also ewoks."

OK, that's the six we've seen already. So what would've happened in the last three episodes? Luke trains a new generation of Jedi? Leia and Han have babies? Somewhere out there a Sith Lord emerges and it's back to the same old, same old with a third generation? ...and more Jar-Jar?

This is a list sure to offend everyone.

tototototo: Most fans don't realize that the famous "Episode IV" isn't anywhere in the original opening crawl -- it was only added to later prints
Wrong. Anyone who refers to Star Wars as episode IV or any shiat is not a fan, same goes for Empire Strikes Back and Return Of the Jedi.


Really? The fact that I use the phrase "Episode 4" when I talk to people about the movies instead of saying "Star Wars" or "A New Hope" means I'm not a fan?

fark, I guess I shouldn't have spent all the money on the movie tickets, video games, DVDs, etc. Since I'm not a fan after all.

Seriously, shut the fark up. It's so much easier to say episode four than hoping that people who aren't as big fans as me understand that I mean the Star Wars movie released in 1977 when I say "A New Hope" or "Star Wars".

/no true fan, amirite?
//I liked the prequels
///I also don't give a shiat if Han shot First

picturescrazy: Not to be a weeaboo but I do wish the anime style of story telling where there's basically one show that spans 13 or 26 episodes or whatever were more common in the US. We probably wouldn't get so pissed off at shows if that were the case. Then again, it's hard to milk a series dry if the story is set in stone before the first episode even airs.

It's hard to compare anime to western tv because they're almost always based on manga stories that have been running for years. There is greater pressure for them to stay true to the original whereas in the west it's almost always an "adaptation" where they change a bunch of shiat. In that regard, yeah, it'd be great if western media could stick to the source material and follow the narrative over an extended duration. In reality though anime suffers the exact same problems of artificial extension based on popularity and being milked dry as the west. Plus the pacing in a lot of anime is ridiculous with shiat that could be wrapped up in an episode or two being drug out over a dozen episodes. Six of one half a dozen of the other.

hubcity: Article comprehension fail.

If your thesis statement in the paragraph says, "The first film says it's 'Episode IV' right in the opening credits. That's what makes Star Wars different..." it's history comprehension fail.

DarthBrooks: TFA: The first film says it's "Episode IV" right in the opening credits. That's what makes Star Wars different from, say, Transformers or even the Matrix trilogy -- it was a single grand epic spawned in the possibly deranged mind of George Lucas long before cameras started rolling on the first film.

You didn't read further than the first paragraph, did you?

DarthBrooks: hubcity: Article comprehension fail.

If your thesis statement in the paragraph says, "The first film says it's 'Episode IV' right in the opening credits. That's what makes Star Wars different..." it's history comprehension fail.

Dude... RTFA.

But Actually ...

Obviously there have been only six films (Lucas now says there were always supposed to be just six). But the truth is, when he released the first film he had no idea it was anything other than a stand-alone movie. The studio greenlit only the one film, and they had their doubts about making their money back. Lucas thus had to write it assuming he'd never get a chance to add to the story.

Most fans don't realize that the famous "Episode IV" isn't anywhere in the original opening crawl -- it was only added to later prints:

(article links to youtube video of original title scroll)

DarthBrooks: hubcity: Article comprehension fail.

If your thesis statement in the paragraph says, "The first film says it's 'Episode IV' right in the opening credits. That's what makes Star Wars different..." it's history comprehension fail.

Did you see the big heading that says Supposedly ... before that opening sentence?

Did you see the next big heading that says But Actually ...?

OK, I'm going to stop. You're either a troll or you're too stupid to understand, even when it's explained to you.

DarthBrooks: TFA: The first film says it's "Episode IV" right in the opening credits. That's what makes Star Wars different from, say, Transformers or even the Matrix trilogy -- it was a single grand epic spawned in the possibly deranged mind of George Lucas long before cameras started rolling on the first film.

I watched the 1st and 2nd seasons of Lost and gave up. I had so many questions piling up that it became frustrating to even try to keep up.
So what was the "big twist" that everyone figured out that caused them to rewrite everything?

/waaaaalt!

swahnhennessy: X Files was much better when it was "Monster of the Week". It could be funny, explore different things, have some variety. But then it turned into some brooding drama that took itself too seriously and I lost interest.

this. The Monsters of the Week episodes were easily the best. The Alien Invasion conspiracy was obvious not fully thought out.


I thought ti was fairly common knowledge that Twin Peaks wasn't fully planned out; to the point where the network basically forced them to reveal who killed Laura Palmer.

Lucas changes his story all the time. From three to one to three to nine to six.... his recollection is pretty farking inconsistent. Just look at the early scripts and concept art. He had no solid storyline at any point in the making of those movies. Vader being Lukes father... afterthought (or alteration of original story). Same with the Luke/Leia brother/sister thing. I don't really care, I just wish Lucas would stop lying about what the intent of the series was supposed to be. Just admit you make it up on the fly and change your mind constantly.

NeedlesslyCanadian: Also: the BSG finale was one of the best series finales ever put together.

When did you get that operation to remove most of your brain matter and replace it with poop?

Oh, can't answer me, I vanished into thin air!

Memoryalpha: At what point did Lost become a classic anything?

About 5 minutes into the first episode.

/You're a douche.

wolvernova: I just wish Lucas would stop lying

But the lies mean more revenue!

Modified Cornstarch: So what was the "big twist" that everyone figured out that caused them to rewrite everything?

The Island is purgatory, they're all dead, and the character named Christian Shepperd is shepherding them to a christian afterlife literally.

SPOILER: But no, haHA! The Island is real, see, but this alternate reality created from time travel is NOT real, it IS purgatory, cue Christian Shepperd./SPOILER

No Harry Potter? No Jurassic Park?