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2011-02-26 08:49:46 AM  
Subby you picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
 
2011-02-26 08:54:55 AM  
Leon is getting larger.
 
2011-02-26 09:50:16 AM  

This is a late parrot: Leon is getting larger.


i236.photobucket.com

 
2011-02-26 09:53:51 AM  
thethoughtexperiment.files.wordpress.com
"It looks like a big Tylenol!"
 
2011-02-26 10:39:16 AM  
What a pisser.
 
2011-02-26 10:41:41 AM  
latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2011-02-26 10:45:44 AM  
Best ATC transmission:

"Delta 1234, Traffic, 12 O'clock, 1 mile, Same altitude, Opposite direction. Radar service terminated, Y'all have a nice day.
 
2011-02-26 10:50:01 AM  

texdent: What a pisser.


A pisser is a word used in mock earnest to indicate grave misfortune. But that's not important right now.
 
2011-02-26 10:53:24 AM  
Check the Radar Range. Anything yet?
 
2011-02-26 10:55:35 AM  
www.visitingdc.com

Not amused.
 
2011-02-26 10:56:41 AM  
Hey, you know what could silver this? Breaking up their union.

Oh, and tax cuts. Don't forget tax cuts.
 
2011-02-26 11:00:35 AM  
Golly!
 
2011-02-26 11:02:04 AM  
Allegedly the German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are
renowned as a short-tempered lot. They, it is alleged, not only expect one to
know one's gate parking location, but how to get there without any assistance
from them. So it was with some amusement that we (a Pan Am 747) listened to the
following exchange between Frankfurt ground control and a British Airways 747,
call sign Speedbird 206.
Speedbird 206: "Frankfurt, Speedbird 206 clear of
active runway."
Ground: "Speedbird 206. Taxi to gate Alpha One-Seven." The
BA 747 pulled onto the main taxiway and slowed to a stop.
Ground:
"Speedbird, do you not know where you are going?"
Speedbird 206: "Stand by,
Ground, I'm looking up our gate location now."
Ground (with quite arrogant
impatience): "Speedbird 206, have you not been to Frankfurt before?"

Speedbird 206 (coolly): "Yes, twice in 1944, but it was dark,... and I
didn't land."
 
2011-02-26 11:03:50 AM  
I've heard there is urgent news from headquarters!

/It's a big building where generals meet
 
2011-02-26 11:05:48 AM  
A Pan Am 727 flight engineer waiting for start clearance in Munich overheard the following:

Lufthansa (in German): Ground, what is our start clearance time?"

Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak English."

Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in Germany.

Why must I speak English?" Unknown voice (in a beautiful British accent): "Because you lost the bloody war!"
 
2011-02-26 11:10:06 AM  
There's a sale at Penney's!
 
2011-02-26 11:12:40 AM  
That's because they're a dasnger to everything in the air.

/birds too
 
2011-02-26 11:13:32 AM  
Someone needs to get them Rex Kramer.
 
2011-02-26 11:20:33 AM  
Marriage proposals are dangerous business all around.
 
2011-02-26 11:20:50 AM  
We aren't having anymore errors than before, if anything we are probably having less but things are now getting reported that simply wouldn't have before because of a previous culture of discipline and fear if a mistake/error was made and reported. In fact in the old days many known incidents were swept under the carpet by management/QA to artificially keep numbers down. ATSAP is a program where systemic and human error caused unsafe situations can now be reported without fear of getting in trouble.

"The intent is to identify and report all events that may or did lead to a breakdown in safety, or increase risk to our operation. If we want to mitigate all safety risks, we need to identify and study the thousands of unreported events that may reveal the one critical safety event that could result in disaster...ATSAP provides a systematic approach for Controllers, Airway Transportation System Specialists, and Other Employees to promptly identify and report potential safety hazards. Through self-reporting of safety events and cooperative follow-up, appropriate actions can be taken to improve flight safety."

http://www.atsapsafety.com/home.seam

/sorry for not being an Airplane joke, I thought some folks might actually be interested in how true errors might be down while reported numbers are way up.
 
2011-02-26 11:21:26 AM  
Link (new window)
 
2011-02-26 11:22:21 AM  
Hearing this news isn't going to help my drinking problem.
 
2011-02-26 11:22:46 AM  
Once again life imitates art -

images.cheezburger.com
 
2011-02-26 11:27:41 AM  
Beer Lion: sorry for not being an Airplane joke, I thought some folks might actually be interested in how true errors might be down while reported numbers are way up.

Why pretend? We both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
 
2011-02-26 11:37:51 AM  

BeerLion: We aren't having anymore errors than before, if anything we are probably having less but things are now getting reported that simply wouldn't have before because of a previous culture of discipline and fear if a mistake/error was made and reported. In fact in the old days many known incidents were swept under the carpet by management/QA to artificially keep numbers down. ATSAP is a program where systemic and human error caused unsafe situations can now be reported without fear of getting in trouble.

"The intent is to identify and report all events that may or did lead to a breakdown in safety, or increase risk to our operation. If we want to mitigate all safety risks, we need to identify and study the thousands of unreported events that may reveal the one critical safety event that could result in disaster...ATSAP provides a systematic approach for Controllers, Airway Transportation System Specialists, and Other Employees to promptly identify and report potential safety hazards. Through self-reporting of safety events and cooperative follow-up, appropriate actions can be taken to improve flight safety."

http://www.atsapsafety.com/home.seam

/sorry for not being an Airplane joke, I thought some folks might actually be interested in how true errors might be down while reported numbers are way up.


I am, but this is fark...
 
2011-02-26 11:41:41 AM  
Been doing it 26 years now and there is something that not a lot of folks realize that is a direct consequence of Reagan firing all the controllers 30 years ago that is having a real impact today on us. Controllers cannot work past age 55 and are eligible to retire after 25 years so a great many of the replacement folks have retired. We have a ton of newbies with less than 5 years experience right now. In 20-25 years there will be another line change if computers haven't taken the job over by then.
 
Ehh
2011-02-26 11:48:10 AM  
Bucky Bucks: Xandir, I can't help but think this is all your fault.
Xandir: What?! But I'm a Certified Air Traffic Controller with Ten Years of experience!
Spanky: I heard Gay Traffic Controller, with Gay Years of experience! [high-fives Captain Hero]
Bucky Bucks: Spanky brings up a good point.
 
2011-02-26 11:49:10 AM  

BeerLion: if computers haven't taken the job over by then


Let's hope not. Computers are better at a lot of things, but they are not infallible, and there are some times when I'd really like a human there JUST IN CASE.
 
2011-02-26 11:58:51 AM  

supayoda: BeerLion: if computers haven't taken the job over by then

Let's hope not. Computers are better at a lot of things, but they are not infallible, and there are some times when I'd really like a human there JUST IN CASE.


Look, Elaine. Cut the "not from where I'm sitting" shiat. It must be a human error.
 
2011-02-26 12:13:02 PM  

BeerLion: In 20-25 years there will be another line change if computers haven't taken the job over by then.


If they can't even get ERAM up on schedule, then I'm not worried about being replaced by a computer within my career's timeframe.
 
2011-02-26 12:14:28 PM  

Reported air traffic control errors up.


"Keep 'em at 24,000. No, feet."
 
2011-02-26 12:23:55 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Reported air traffic control errors up.


"Keep 'em at 24,000. No, feet."


Why FL 24? FL23 and FL25 are alot more likely.
 
2011-02-26 01:33:44 PM  

Fat-D: Englebert Slaptyback: Reported air traffic control errors up.
"Keep 'em at 24,000. No, feet."
Why FL 24? FL23 and FL25 are alot more likely.


RVSM airspace?

Favorite recent comm:
"Hero Flight 8CD, turn heading, ah, turn heading 090 slow to 120 knots, too much metal between you and the airport".
 
GBB
2011-02-26 01:49:02 PM  

BeerLion: Been doing it 26 years now and there is something that not a lot of folks realize that is a direct consequence of Reagan firing all the controllers 30 years ago that is having a real impact today on us. Controllers cannot work past age 55 and are eligible to retire after 25 years so a great many of the replacement folks have retired. We have a ton of newbies with less than 5 years experience right now. In 20-25 years there will be another line change if computers haven't taken the job over by then.


I missed my opportunity to get in on ATC cause I never really checked into it before. Wish I did. Now I dispatch the po-po. I get paid a small fraction of what controllers make and my controller friend sat with me one weekend and tells me that this job is tougher than theirs: I have to talk, type, answer radio, answer phones on 12 hour shifts with a single 1 hour break and a couple random
Enjoy your cushy jobs, tin pushers.
 
2011-02-26 02:06:07 PM  

BeerLion: We aren't having anymore errors than before, if anything we are probably having less but things are now getting reported that simply wouldn't have before because of a previous culture of discipline and fear if a mistake/error was made and reported. In fact in the old days many known incidents were swept under the carpet by management/QA to artificially keep numbers down. ATSAP is a program where systemic and human error caused unsafe situations can now be reported without fear of getting in trouble.

"The intent is to identify and report all events that may or did lead to a breakdown in safety, or increase risk to our operation. If we want to mitigate all safety risks, we need to identify and study the thousands of unreported events that may reveal the one critical safety event that could result in disaster...ATSAP provides a systematic approach for Controllers, Airway Transportation System Specialists, and Other Employees to promptly identify and report potential safety hazards. Through self-reporting of safety events and cooperative follow-up, appropriate actions can be taken to improve flight safety."

http://www.atsapsafety.com/home.seam

/sorry for not being an Airplane joke, I thought some folks might actually be interested in how true errors might be down while reported numbers are way up.


Happens a lot when people start being honest
 
2011-02-26 02:07:01 PM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: Check the Radar Range. Anything yet?


Another two minutes, chief!
 
2011-02-26 02:28:03 PM  
There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
 
2011-02-26 02:49:08 PM  

Fat-D: Englebert Slaptyback: Reported air traffic control errors up.


"Keep 'em at 24,000. No, feet."

Why FL 24? FL23 and FL25 are alot more likely.


Actually, I'd say that FL230 and FL250 are more likely than FL23 and FL25, whatever those are.
 
2011-02-26 02:56:38 PM  
He's all over the place! Nine hundred feet up to 1300 feet. What an asshole.
 
2011-02-26 02:56:52 PM  

Retief of the CDT: Fat-D: Englebert Slaptyback: Reported air traffic control errors up.
"Keep 'em at 24,000. No, feet."
Why FL 24? FL23 and FL25 are alot more likely.

RVSM airspace?


Slant J, K, L, Q, & W!

These kids coming in now who have always had RVSM don't know how easy they have it. Uphill both ways in the snow, etc, but that's my stance and I'm sticking to it.
 
2011-02-26 03:30:47 PM  

Jello Fever: Beer Lion: sorry for not being an Airplane joke, I thought some folks might actually be interested in how true errors might be down while reported numbers are way up.

Why pretend? We both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.



Looks like somebody has seen a grown man naked.
 
2011-02-26 03:31:31 PM  
Subby, can you make anything out of this?
 
2011-02-26 04:16:16 PM  

xl5150:
Slant J, K, L, Q, & W!

These kids coming in now who have always had RVSM don't know how easy they have it. Uphill both ways in the snow, etc, but that's my stance and I'm sticking to it.


Don't forget having to hand fly that no-gyro ADF approach over Macho Grande . . . .
 
2011-02-26 05:53:17 PM  

bmfderek: He's all over the place! Nine hundred feet up to 1300 feet. What an asshole.


This was in the original "Zero Hour", minus the "asshole" remark.

/If you haven't seen it, find a copy.
 
2011-02-26 06:00:02 PM  
The tower!? Rapunzel! Rapunzel!
 
2011-02-26 08:10:29 PM  

xl5150: Retief of the CDT: Fat-D: Englebert Slaptyback: Reported air traffic control errors up.
"Keep 'em at 24,000. No, feet."
Why FL 24? FL23 and FL25 are alot more likely.

RVSM airspace?

Slant J, K, L, Q, & W!

These kids coming in now who have always had RVSM don't know how easy they have it. Uphill both ways in the snow, etc, but that's my stance and I'm sticking to it.


I had no idea that there were so many other controllers stalking FARK with me. Also, I freely admit that we have it a lot easier than you guys did as far as equipment, procedures, automation and FAA culture. Cheers to my fellow FAA pilot-beaters!

Also, do you guys check fark while you're on break at work? I've been trying to figure out if that would get me in trouble:P, assuming I don't click on a wikileaks article.
 
2011-02-26 09:27:58 PM  
If you go to fark from the union office on break you will be fine (You better be in the union). Stay off anything like this from an official computer. As long as you don't go to any nsfw type sites you will be good, Foobies will get you fired.
 
2011-02-26 10:08:05 PM  
I have issues with our fac-rep here and won't be paying for her vacations. I have my check ready for my next duty station, though (I even feel guilty enough for not being in that I would be willing to have my next facrep email you to confirm that I paid him, due to how much NATCA did for us in the crimson book, especially guys like me who haven't been in that long).

But yeah, Tons of issues with her - seriously, and her opinion on everything defaults to management's. She has responded to NATCA member's requests for her to file grievances or even just to address something with a sit-down with the answer, and I quote, "Your boss is your boss is your boss."
 
2011-02-26 11:01:46 PM  

You'll be swell,
you'll be great.
Gonna have the whole world on a plate.
Startin' here, startin' now.
Honey, everything's comin' up roses...


www.wearysloth.com

 
2011-02-27 11:03:21 AM  
subby: Johnny still unwilling to make coffee

But he can make a hat. Or a brrrrrooch. Or a pterodactyl.
www.goaliestore.com
 
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