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2011-02-25 09:06:11 PM
Who thought that this would not be the case?
 
2011-02-25 09:07:03 PM
It works fine if you don't hold it in a completely unnatural way?
 
2011-02-25 09:07:38 PM
Yeah, considering there's been jack from Apple to my knowledge stating they've fixed it? Who'da thunk it that Verizon's iPhone would have the same flaw as the AT&T one when the only real difference is the carrier?
 
2011-02-25 09:09:01 PM

Iczer: Yeah, considering there's been jack from Apple to my knowledge stating they've fixed it? Who'da thunk it that Verizon's iPhone would have the same flaw as the AT&T one when the only real difference is the carrier?


The Verizon fanbois.
 
2011-02-25 09:11:52 PM
Can't blame At&t for this one.
/Hugs Focus
 
2011-02-25 09:16:27 PM
Hey Doc, my arm hurts when I hold it this way.
 
2011-02-25 09:19:12 PM

Yakk: Who thought that this would not be the case?


+1 for punny post.
 
2011-02-25 09:35:32 PM
FTFA: The researchers again found that covering tiny gaps in the metal band that runs around the skinny edge of the Verizon iPhone caused "meaningful decline in performance." In conditions where cell signal was weak, the Verizon iPhone 4 dropped calls when the user covered the gaps by holding the phone in a specific - but natural - way.


I suppose that since Verizon's network isn't as crappy, it's users may not notice the issue quite as much.

Just a thought.


/Has Sprint
//wants the EVO
 
2011-02-25 09:36:58 PM
Another haterboi circle jerk!

/BMW
//Nova
///whaaaaargrblr
 
2011-02-25 09:47:06 PM
The one thing in common....the iphone...TADA!
 
2011-02-25 09:59:35 PM
My husband wants a Xperia Play, so we're probably making the switch to Verizon from T-Mobile. I want an iPhone. I drank the Kool Aid of all my Apple-loving friends. It'll be my first Apple product, so I hope it doesn't suck. Couldn't be worse than my G1.
 
2011-02-25 10:02:53 PM

DJanomaly: FTFA: The researchers again found that covering tiny gaps in the metal band that runs around the skinny edge of the Verizon iPhone caused "meaningful decline in performance." In conditions where cell signal was weak, the Verizon iPhone 4 dropped calls when the user covered the gaps by holding the phone in a specific - but natural - way.


I suppose that since Verizon's network isn't as crappy, it's users may not notice the issue quite as much.

Just a thought.


/Has Sprint
//wants the EVO


Oh yeah. My wife and I got one Monday and put down the Crackberrys. Its completely awesome. Its taking a little bit to get used to the touchscreen, but I'll get the hang of it.
 
2011-02-25 10:07:23 PM
My AT&T iPhone 4 never has this problem, probably because I got the super-hardcore Otterbox case for it and thus never touch the part of the phone that kills the signal

/If you don't get some kind of protective case for it, you're asking for it to get broken
 
2011-02-25 10:07:31 PM
yawn

/carry what you want
//nobody cares
///your cell service provider sux worse than the other one
 
2011-02-25 10:08:19 PM
Obvious tag on vacation today?
 
2011-02-25 10:24:55 PM
Figures, but then again, I was prety drunk when I red the headlikne. I'm not surprised...

/loves his android...
 
2011-02-25 10:25:51 PM
oh my god, the same model phone has the same hardware problem? and i've already seen this reported half a dozen times?

PANIC!
 
2011-02-25 10:26:49 PM

Fireproof: My AT&T iPhone 4 never has this problem, probably because I got the super-hardcore Otterbox case for it and thus never touch the part of the phone that kills the signal

/If you don't get some kind of protective case for it, you're asking for it to get broken


I never understood the otterbox cases unless you were in a job like construction. I just moved my boss from ATT to VZ for the iphone 4 and he had an otterbox case on his 3gs. This is a guy who is SR IT Director who sits at his desk 95% of the time and has no adventurous hobbies. The case was like a tank to carry around. It made the phone so bulky and a pain in the ass to hold that it defeated the purpose of a slim smartphone. It's almost like carrying a full size brick around. I understand protecting your investment but that is just ridiculous.
 
2011-02-25 10:36:52 PM

marxychick1: My husband wants a Xperia Play, so we're probably making the switch to Verizon from T-Mobile. I want an iPhone. I drank the Kool Aid of all my Apple-loving friends. It'll be my first Apple product, so I hope it doesn't suck. Couldn't be worse than my G1.


An unlocked iPhone works on TMobile
 
2011-02-25 10:39:50 PM

bhcompy: marxychick1: My husband wants a Xperia Play, so we're probably making the switch to Verizon from T-Mobile. I want an iPhone. I drank the Kool Aid of all my Apple-loving friends. It'll be my first Apple product, so I hope it doesn't suck. Couldn't be worse than my G1.

An unlocked iPhone works on TMobile


I thought about that, because I really like T-Mobile, but they don't have coverage where we moved (from KCMO to middle of nowhere Kansas). And hubby won't want to wait for his PlayStation phone.
 
2011-02-25 10:45:57 PM
Don't get me started on Verizon. Just had, within the space of the last 2 hours, 4 calls dropped while talking to my girl. She's on a landline, so I know it isn't her end.
 
2011-02-25 10:58:44 PM

TheGhostofFarkPast: Fireproof: My AT&T iPhone 4 never has this problem, probably because I got the super-hardcore Otterbox case for it and thus never touch the part of the phone that kills the signal

/If you don't get some kind of protective case for it, you're asking for it to get broken

I never understood the otterbox cases unless you were in a job like construction. I just moved my boss from ATT to VZ for the iphone 4 and he had an otterbox case on his 3gs. This is a guy who is SR IT Director who sits at his desk 95% of the time and has no adventurous hobbies. The case was like a tank to carry around. It made the phone so bulky and a pain in the ass to hold that it defeated the purpose of a slim smartphone. It's almost like carrying a full size brick around. I understand protecting your investment but that is just ridiculous.


I work in construction and my iPhone stays on my hip in a $10 belt case from Rite-Aid. Never had a problem. If it's raining or really muddy it stays behind, but 95% of the time, I don't even worry about it.
 
2011-02-25 10:59:52 PM

McManus_brothers: Don't get me started on Verizon. Just had, within the space of the last 2 hours, 4 calls dropped while talking to my girl. She's on a landline, so I know it isn't her end.


With AT&T you would never have gotten through.
 
2011-02-25 11:04:57 PM

TheGhostofFarkPast: Fireproof: My AT&T iPhone 4 never has this problem, probably because I got the super-hardcore Otterbox case for it and thus never touch the part of the phone that kills the signal

/If you don't get some kind of protective case for it, you're asking for it to get broken

I never understood the otterbox cases unless you were in a job like construction. I just moved my boss from ATT to VZ for the iphone 4 and he had an otterbox case on his 3gs. This is a guy who is SR IT Director who sits at his desk 95% of the time and has no adventurous hobbies. The case was like a tank to carry around. It made the phone so bulky and a pain in the ass to hold that it defeated the purpose of a slim smartphone. It's almost like carrying a full size brick around. I understand protecting your investment but that is just ridiculous.


It's true that it's a bulky box of case, but when I was looking for cases for my iPhone 3G I looked at it this way: a replacement iPhone is $200 through the Apple Store if yours breaks or otherwise stops working. A replacement screen is $100. An Otterbox is as nigh-indestructible as a cell phone case can be and costs $40-$50. If you don't mind the extra mass it adds to the phone, it's a worthwhile investment to protect it.
 
2011-02-25 11:13:06 PM

SCUBA_Archer: TheGhostofFarkPast: Fireproof: My AT&T iPhone 4 never has this problem, probably because I got the super-hardcore Otterbox case for it and thus never touch the part of the phone that kills the signal

/If you don't get some kind of protective case for it, you're asking for it to get broken

I never understood the otterbox cases unless you were in a job like construction. I just moved my boss from ATT to VZ for the iphone 4 and he had an otterbox case on his 3gs. This is a guy who is SR IT Director who sits at his desk 95% of the time and has no adventurous hobbies. The case was like a tank to carry around. It made the phone so bulky and a pain in the ass to hold that it defeated the purpose of a slim smartphone. It's almost like carrying a full size brick around. I understand protecting your investment but that is just ridiculous.

I work in construction and my iPhone stays on my hip in a $10 belt case from Rite-Aid. Never had a problem. If it's raining or really muddy it stays behind, but 95% of the time, I don't even worry about it.


I have high-tech sticker for the screen, and then a rubber band for the corners. It's fine, works enough. If I put the phone loose in my rucksack, it's in a sock (well, a container I made from a sock). Works fine.

Usually my phone is in some compartment of a bag I'm carrying. I always carry books, so I have a bag. So a few mm extra volume on the phone is not a problem.
 
2011-02-25 11:18:52 PM
I never really understood why someone would get any kind of case/cover to protect their (high tech device). You probably aren't going to sell it when your done and it should be built to handle a typical environment. All you are doing is making it ugly and less convenient. I can understand it in some cases but most people don't fall within those cases.
 
2011-02-25 11:29:37 PM

Tobin_Lam: I can understand it in some cases but most people don't fall within those cases.


Sticker on the screen makes sense to me for everyone.

Beyond that, yeah, it varies.

But where do people carry their phones? If you leave it loose in your bag/purse/whatever, seems to me you'd want a screen sticker, even if you never use a case ever.

That's pretty much what I've got, though I got the free rubberband thing offered due to antenna issues (got an iPhone). Though I put my phone on the table to use it the vast majority of the time, so dunno if I really need that either.
 
2011-02-25 11:34:50 PM

Tobin_Lam: I never really understood why someone would get any kind of case/cover to protect their (high tech device).


Some people are clumsy. It's easy to drop a phone, especially since they are all so shiny and cool now that people are constantly messing with it one way or another
 
2011-02-26 12:15:00 AM
This is such a stupid non-issue that is just made a huge deal because it's an iPhone.
 
2011-02-26 12:28:19 AM
At worst, the iPhone is a very good handheld computer that does not excel at being a phone. At best, it's an excellent handheld computer and a pretty good phone.

I gave my wife my 3Gs, unlocked it to work on iWireless. (Iowa T-Mobile)
 
2011-02-26 12:29:52 AM

Corvus: This is such a stupid non-issue that is just made a huge deal because it's an iPhone.


I know plenty of other phones that have the same problem, but they don't get the same kind of flack for it.

I also know plenty of other phones that have the same features and more, and had them first, but they don't get the same credit for it.

That's the bed Apple made for themselves, they better be willing to lie in it. The upside has far outweighed the downside, so far at least.
 
2011-02-26 12:34:46 AM

JosephFinn: It works fine if you don't hold it in a completely unnatural way?


There, I fixed that for you.
 
2011-02-26 12:42:37 AM
Holy crap! If I try to make it fail, it will ACTUALLY fail? Thank god we were warned!
 
2011-02-26 12:58:33 AM

Yotto: JosephFinn: It works fine if you don't hold it in a completely unnatural way?

There, I fixed that for you.


To quote Daring Fireball:

'Consumer Reports' Claims Verizon iPhone Still Has Antenna Issues ★
Yet miraculously, in the real world, no one has this problem. Seriously, where are the actual Verizon iPhone users complaining about this?
 
2011-02-26 01:17:52 AM
JosephFinn:
'Consumer Reports' Claims Verizon iPhone Still Has Antenna Issues ★
Yet miraculously, in the real world, no one has this problem. Seriously, where are the actual Verizon iPhone users complaining about this?


My comment was about the way people hold phones, not about the quality of Verizon's network.

It is possible that Verizon's network allows calls to still go through even though signal quality at the phone is degraded. I know on my (non-iPhone) phone I generally have no problems even with 1 bar, and sometimes 0. Possibly something similar is helping out the iPhones. I don't know.

I do know that holding the phone the way I hold phones causes the iPhone to lose bars, and calls, on AT&T. I've seen it happen with my eyes, on a phone in my hands.
 
2011-02-26 01:20:38 AM
You must be holding the phone in some bizarre way. I hold my iPhone in either hand, covering any gaps, and never have seen this problem.
 
2011-02-26 01:24:31 AM
Specifically, the lower left corner of the phone resting on the ball of my thumb is what did it. This is exactly how I hold a phone when dialing and talking.

I guess I'm bizarre.
 
2011-02-26 01:44:49 AM

SCUBA_Archer: TheGhostofFarkPast: Fireproof: My AT&T iPhone 4 never has this problem, probably because I got the super-hardcore Otterbox case for it and thus never touch the part of the phone that kills the signal

/If you don't get some kind of protective case for it, you're asking for it to get broken

I never understood the otterbox cases unless you were in a job like construction. I just moved my boss from ATT to VZ for the iphone 4 and he had an otterbox case on his 3gs. This is a guy who is SR IT Director who sits at his desk 95% of the time and has no adventurous hobbies. The case was like a tank to carry around. It made the phone so bulky and a pain in the ass to hold that it defeated the purpose of a slim smartphone. It's almost like carrying a full size brick around. I understand protecting your investment but that is just ridiculous.

I work in construction and my iPhone stays on my hip in a $10 belt case from Rite-Aid. Never had a problem. If it's raining or really muddy it stays behind, but 95% of the time, I don't even worry about it.


Exactly. If you're reasonably careful with your device, it will be fine. If your job is such that it makes sense to get a case, no problem. I'm on my third smartphone (second iPhone) in 5 years, all without so much as a screen protector, and I've never had worse than a minor scratch on the back of the phone. I work at a desk, so that's reasonable.

If you're clumsy or put your phone into harsh conditions, by all means get a case, but I'm always amused by those who can't be bothered to actually take care of their devices claiming anyone who doesn't use a case is "asking for it."

I guess I've been asking for it for a long time.
 
2011-02-26 02:02:39 AM

Yakk: Who thought that this would not be the case?


Well because its all ATT's fault not the shiatty design of the iphone, fark apple, after their updates all the old iphones are getting worse, mine used to work great but the updates have farking ruined it so I wont be getting another one, ever.

JosephFinn: To quote Daring Fireball:

'Consumer Reports' Claims Verizon iPhone Still Has Antenna Issues ★
Yet miraculously, in the real world, no one has this problem. Seriously, where are the actual Verizon iPhone users complaining about this?


We have a few people with the verizon iphone that hate it, even some of our customers have the iphone and farking hate it on verizon, the CEO of one company put all his people back on ATT and threatened to sue if they didnt void the contract. The phones really sucked here on verizon and it doenst surprise me one bit, my iphone only drops in one spot, ironically its near att's main spot up on the northside of town.
 
2011-02-26 02:06:02 AM

Yotto: I do know that holding the phone the way I hold phones causes the iPhone to lose bars, and calls, on AT&T. I've seen it happen with my eyes, on a phone in my hands.


Part of that is because of the GSM, cdma does send signals further but often at a cost of slower or dirty quality.

I keep waiting for a person to get cancer and a lawyer to tie it back to the network still in use by verizon.
 
2011-02-26 12:22:20 PM

Tobin_Lam: I never really understood why someone would get any kind of case/cover to protect their (high tech device). You probably aren't going to sell it when your done and it should be built to handle a typical environment. All you are doing is making it ugly and less convenient. I can understand it in some cases but most people don't fall within those cases.


I've sold every smartphone I've ever had once I was ready for a new one, and usually for enough money to totally offset the (carrier-subsidized) cost of the new one. Craigslist: it's for more than just getting herpes from a tranny.
 
2011-02-26 01:02:55 PM

Tobin_Lam: I never really understood why someone would get any kind of case/cover to protect their (high tech device). You probably aren't going to sell it when your done and it should be built to handle a typical environment. All you are doing is making it ugly and less convenient. I can understand it in some cases but most people don't fall within those cases.


Smartphones get you pretty good money on ebay. They're worth taking care of. Makes it cheaper to get a new one every year.
 
2011-02-26 01:09:29 PM
My dilemma:

1) Get a Droid X or Verizon iPhone now with my upgrade or

2) Stick it out with my old Blackberry Curve until the X2 or the Thunderbolt come out, whenever that is.

Decisions...
 
2011-02-26 01:20:32 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Can't blame At&t for this one.
/Hugs Focus
//it looses signal too


There i fixed that for you.

FreakinB, your curve pumps more radiation into you, than 2 iphone 3gs's. So you know.

hint to idiots: (and you are idiots) My incredible looses just as many bars as my AT&T iphone when i squeeze it unnaturally.
 
2011-02-26 01:52:34 PM

JosephFinn: You must be holding the phone in some bizarre way. I hold my iPhone in either hand, covering any gaps, and never have seen this problem.


Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. The problem is only noticeable when you're near the edge of a tower's range such that the drop in signal is enough to lose the tower entirely. It shouldn't be prohibitive for most people, but if you happen to live or work in such an area, you will see it on a daily basis.

A lot of phones lose some signal when you hold them in a certain way. The iPhone 4 is among the worst, but it certainly isn't alone.
 
2011-02-26 01:54:50 PM

FreakinB: My dilemma:

1) Get a Droid X or Verizon iPhone now with my upgrade or

2) Stick it out with my old Blackberry Curve until the X2 or the Thunderbolt come out, whenever that is.

Decisions...


Im in the same boat. My free upgrade is eligible next month.
The verizon iPhone looks allright, but I have two major reservations. 1] Apple is a horrible company that has become exactly the thing they tried to portray themselves as some sort of alternative from, but more importantly, 2] The closed architecture means I wont be able to write my own apps for it.

I liked the Droid 2 I played with more than the iphone - so Im thinking I might go tht rout.
 
2011-02-26 02:06:15 PM

Yakk: Who thought that this would not be the case?


ohh wow! LOL
 
2011-02-26 04:07:35 PM
Hasn't bothered me..... yet.
 
2011-02-26 04:27:21 PM

darwinpolice: Tobin_Lam: I never really understood why someone would get any kind of case/cover to protect their (high tech device). You probably aren't going to sell it when your done and it should be built to handle a typical environment. All you are doing is making it ugly and less convenient. I can understand it in some cases but most people don't fall within those cases.

I've sold every smartphone I've ever had once I was ready for a new one, and usually for enough money to totally offset the (carrier-subsidized) cost of the new one. Craigslist: it's for more than just getting herpes from a tranny.


That's nice.
 
2011-02-26 04:54:00 PM

darwinpolice: I've sold every smartphone I've ever had once I was ready for a new one, and usually for enough money to totally offset the (carrier-subsidized) cost of the new one. Craigslist: it's for more than just getting herpes from a tranny.


Personally, (200 divided by 24) dollars per month is worth it to me not to have to carry around a bulkier, heavier, rubbery version of the product I bought.

I am skeptical however that anyone would buy a 2-year-old used smartphone for $200. Actually, scratch that, I bet there are a lot of people who want to buy one via untraceable means (and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way).
 
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