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2011-02-24 02:34:43 PM

JosephFinn: T3 was pretty decent, but the series ended with Judgement Day. End of story.


Forget the war, just have another Terminator hunting down another random sap. Make it a nice popcorn action flick. Only include enough story to make the scenes tie together and give some sort of destination to the characters.

That's about all I got out of T3 and I enjoyed it, so I'd go see another like it.
 
2011-02-24 02:35:32 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They should have stopped at Terminator 3.


I assume you meant before.

Terminator 1
Terminator 2

roll credits, thanks for coming there will be no encore
 
2011-02-24 02:36:22 PM
I miss Summer. I think they should bring that back and put it on Stars or Showtime where they don't have to worry about censorship.
 
2011-02-24 02:37:24 PM
www.mysterieuxetonnants.com

This thread, and the franchise need more Summer Glau.
 
2011-02-24 02:37:25 PM
I'd watch it, so long as they bring on Summer Glau just to kill the ugly freak.
files.myopera.com
 
2011-02-24 02:38:50 PM
I want frikkin terminator sharks with frikkin lasers attached to their frikkin heads!
 
2011-02-24 02:39:59 PM
Zombie Ahnold?

More titties?

More 'splosions?

Scrap the whole crock of CGI'd bullsh*t and hire some writers who can write and actors who can act, perchance to start a new franchise? Surely it can't be more cost prohibitive than three semi's full of Apple blade servers running an editing farm.
 
2011-02-24 02:40:15 PM
Not everything needs to be a franchise.
 
2011-02-24 02:40:45 PM
Summer Glau beams from one time line to another. What she does in each in unimportant. She is just nekkid and has to try on a lot of underwear.
 
2011-02-24 02:41:46 PM

Harry Freakstorm: Summer Glau beams from one time line to another. What she does in each in unimportant. She is just nekkid and has to try on a lot of underwear.


You're why Hollywood can't have nice things. : )
 
2011-02-24 02:42:21 PM
 
2011-02-24 02:43:17 PM
Terminator vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ashe vs. Predator
 
2011-02-24 02:43:37 PM
I enjoyed Terminator: Salvation. It was a different approach to the series, rather than the same old. The nods to the original trilogy were a nice touch, and if you accept that none will ever be as good as T2, then you can enjoy it.

Also, this Fan-Edit of Terminator 3 blows the pants off what was released. It took what was decent about the third movie, and axed the silliness factor:
http://fanedit.org/483/

It has a 9.63/10 rating on the site based 73 peer reviews. I'd consider it canon, it's that good.
 
2011-02-24 02:44:20 PM
Terminator/Aliens cross over, and I'm sorta serious. Just don't let anyone who was part of AVP2's production near the set.
 
2011-02-24 02:45:30 PM

Disposable Rob: James Cameron wrote and directed the original Terminator. Maybe you're thinking of Piranha 2?


Damnit. Guess I shouldn't rely on my memory as much.
 
2011-02-24 02:46:16 PM
It's over. The story has been told. Only obsessive fanboys and people looking to milk money from them are interested.
 
2011-02-24 02:46:30 PM
Just how can the Terminator franchise be saved?


Michael Bay can reimage the whole thing in 3D

/then burn it
 
2011-02-24 02:46:36 PM

serial_crusher: How about just un-canceling the Sarah Conner Chronicles?


So much THIS! T:SCC was my T3.
 
2011-02-24 02:46:41 PM

mtylerjr: Terrafirminator (new window)


I'm holding out for the Terranigmanator.

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2011-02-24 02:46:47 PM

MORB: This thread, and the franchise need more Summer Glau.


urlybits.com
 
2011-02-24 02:46:50 PM
You want to save it? No problem: make another movie.

In about twenty years.

The whole thing has been stripmined. It was sold to a company who didn't know what to do with it, and the last two movies sucked on ice. Good that it had a TV show to play with, but honestly there's nothing left to the premise. It pretty much ended with T2, and there's no real reason to go beyond that.
 
2011-02-24 02:46:55 PM

howdyyall9999: I wanted a BSG/Terminator tie in. The last scene in BSG where they are digging in the shore, I wanted them to uncover a T800 skull.

They thought they had found a new home. All they found was a new war...BBBBWWWWHHHHHAAAAMMMMMMM


The last moments of the finale of BSG (the ~30 or so seconds set in 2009 AD) implies that modern mankind on Earth is heading towards it's own Cylon War, so that's quite possible.
 
2011-02-24 02:47:11 PM

Disposable Rob: James Cameron wrote and directed the original Terminator. Maybe you're thinking of Piranha 2?


I think he meant that Cameron directed Aliens (sequal to Alien) and T2 exactly the same way- both of them were sci fi/action follow-ups to sci fi/horror debut movies and they were both very well done and worth it, even though they were very different from the original source
 
2011-02-24 02:47:22 PM
That last one was a decent satire of the Sci-Fi/Action genre, they can stick with comedy if they find someone to punch-up the dialogue.
 
2011-02-24 02:47:26 PM

StealthStalker: serial_crusher: How about just un-canceling the Sarah Conner Chronicles?

I concur.


I also concur. Fox should have at least approved a two hour series finale as they did with Dollhouse. Young J Conner gets thrown into the future.. the end. A$$holes!
 
2011-02-24 02:48:04 PM
1) Stop making them.
2) Or no more Christian Bale.
3) Make a war against the machines that actually shows a war against the machines.

Last one was a disappointment for points one and two. Bale plus a war that hardly portrays said war does not a good movie make.
 
2011-02-24 02:48:33 PM
...and more importantly, who cares?
 
2011-02-24 02:50:10 PM
www.theasylum.cc
 
2011-02-24 02:50:58 PM

BurnShrike: How about... oh, I dunno... getting some new ideas instead of just repeating the same old shiat?

Not that I'm saying the original Terminator movies are shiat, but seriously... does anyone remember when they used to make new movies instead of 'reboots' of old ones?

Ah, fark it. Just make it in 3d with big explosions. It'll make a killing.


This is why I don't go out to movies anymore; I simply cannot sit through two hours Shia LaBeouf running away from explosions or Nicholas Cage driving really fast for no apparent reason.

/Just saw Black Swan though, good flick
 
2011-02-24 02:53:20 PM

Voiceofreason01: BurnShrike: How about... oh, I dunno... getting some new ideas instead of just repeating the same old shiat?

Not that I'm saying the original Terminator movies are shiat, but seriously... does anyone remember when they used to make new movies instead of 'reboots' of old ones?

Ah, fark it. Just make it in 3d with big explosions. It'll make a killing.

This is why I don't go out to movies anymore; I simply cannot sit through two hours Shia LaBeouf running away from explosions or Nicholas Cage driving really fast for no apparent reason.

/Just saw Black Swan though, good flick


You can't really go wrong with Aranofsky.
 
2011-02-24 02:54:00 PM
Take it away from Fox.

OR

Actually show the war against the machines.


It's pretty much doomed anyway, we either win or end up with some kind of Battlestar Galactica outcome. There's only so many times you can have the same robot from the future protecting some dumbass kid with his hot, violent, redneck mom tagging along.
 
2011-02-24 02:55:04 PM
Errrrm. Maybe I am in the midst of some bad deja vu, but wasn't this exact same list on Fark a month or so ago?
 
2011-02-24 02:55:40 PM

stonicus: Terminator vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ashe vs. Predator


Make it also vs. Robocop and you've got a deal.
 
2011-02-24 02:56:43 PM

Misplaced yat: stonicus: Terminator vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ashe vs. Predator

Make it also vs. Robocop and you've got a deal.


And the Toxic Avenger.
 
2011-02-24 02:57:11 PM

JRoo: Actually show the war against the machines.


This would be good, especially if it highlighted low-tech solutions to defeating a high-tech enemy.
 
2011-02-24 02:57:24 PM

moops: Misplaced yat: stonicus: Terminator vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ashe vs. Predator

Make it also vs. Robocop and you've got a deal.

And the Toxic Avenger.


Gotta catch 'em all!
 
2011-02-24 03:01:58 PM

tlchwi02: Disposable Rob: James Cameron wrote and directed the original Terminator. Maybe you're thinking of Piranha 2?

I think he meant that Cameron directed Aliens (sequal to Alien) and T2 exactly the same way- both of them were sci fi/action follow-ups to sci fi/horror debut movies and they were both very well done and worth it, even though they were very different from the original source


Oh I totally botched it, but you captured the essence of what I was saying. Alien and Terminator -- horror movies with sci-fi. Aliens and T2 -- action movies with scifi that happen to be sequels to the prior movies. Both were products of the market they were being sold to and Cameron seems to get that right more often than not. I should give the guy a little more credit, apparently.
 
2011-02-24 03:02:33 PM

fisker: Stompn_Tom: Let Michael Bay direct it and have it star Justin Beiber as the Beeb3000


I was not expecting to see a "Deadly Friend" reference on Fark.
 
2011-02-24 03:02:34 PM

dittybopper: JRoo: Actually show the war against the machines.

This would be good, especially if it highlighted low-tech solutions to defeating a high-tech enemy.


That's not really the kind of message that the propaganda engine of Hollywood wants to promote right now...
 
2011-02-24 03:02:53 PM
I thought Terminator 3 wasn't that bad, even if it wasn't up to snuff with the first two. It pretty much existed solely to setup a War of the Machines films, which ended up being Salvation. A lot of people blame Bale, but I think he was right in that John Conner should've been the protagonist. Even though I think the Sam Worthington portion of Salvation would've made an interesting movie, I don't think it would followed logically with the series' trajectory and would likely come off as being Terinator-in-all-but-name; like an original script that had "Terminator" tacked onto it in post-production.


But yeah, Salvation was obviously heavily rewritten and re-edited and the ending seems to be a half-hearted compromise of both scripts.


NittLion78: I have always said this is the reason the first one is the only one worth watching. While T2 was good, it was an action film. The horror element and utter ruthlessness of the T-101 in the first film still has a strong element of suspense, believability, and most importantly - longevity. It's as scary today as it was then. I can't explain why, but I would even argue the early 80s special effects make it scarier than a CGI-heavy film would today.




I agree with this one as well. Terminator towers above the original in terms of special effects, but the first one is just an overall better movie.

Lollipop165: I'll probably get a lot of shiat for saying this, but the Predator reboot "Predators" wasn't nearly as bad as I was feared it was going to be.



hm, I never thought of that as a reboot, just another film in the series.
 
2011-02-24 03:02:55 PM
I have two problems with this list, #1 and #8.

T3 I felt was a good film that really did the Terminator name justice. It was a good view of life with Terminators and I felt the action and characters were great.

As for The Sarah Connor Chronicles, it can go to Hell. That show was just crap and did nothing for the franchise. We do not need to Whedon-ize all the cool things in life, it really brings it down.
 
2011-02-24 03:03:14 PM
I'd be just fine with the bring back T:TSCC option and answer the 56 cliffhangers that were left in the season 2 finale.. like..

Why did the future not know who John Conner was?

What was Conner's relation with Allison going to be like?

What became of Miles Dyson's son?

What became of Cameron's chip?

What was the T-1000 true intentions with John Henry?

Would he get back to his mother?

Does she still get cancer?

What became of Agent Ellison?

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. This show had so much potential & was given the systematic FoX execution plan. Hopefully the same fate dosen't lie for Fringe.
 
2011-02-24 03:05:05 PM

Misplaced yat: stonicus: Terminator vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ashe vs. Predator

Make it also vs. Robocop and you've got a deal.


vs Darth Vader vs Goku vs Christine(the car) vs Brock Sampson vs Barney Stinson vs The Joker vs Monkey D. Luffy
 
2011-02-24 03:05:12 PM

serial_crusher: How about just un-canceling the Sarah Conner Chronicles?


This. The show finally found it's way and they kill it before it can grow from it.
 
2011-02-24 03:06:35 PM

Pawn takes the King: I'd be just fine with the bring back T:TSCC option and answer the 56 cliffhangers that were left in the season 2 finale.. like..

Why did the future not know who John Conner was?


That's the easy one. By skipping to the future he wasn't there to lead the resistance.
 
2011-02-24 03:07:22 PM
I agree with the general thought that the Terminator franchise has run its course.

Didn't know Bale ruined T4 with edits. I thought it was just a jumbled story, the kind I've become accustomed to from mcg. "Salvation" was a music video, more or less. And the concept of Sam Worthington's semi-robot becoming John Connor isn't good sci-fi - it's lazy. If Connor dies and someone takes his place, the spirit of the struggle is lost.

There are two exciting chapters that have not been explored:

1. The rest of the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
2. The rise of the machines. That could, in fact, be a two-movie installment. It doesn't have to be a three-hour explosionfest, but some tactics and thoughts, a peek in at Connor hiding, etc. Let Connor be the ghost in the machine, yada yada.

There, solved.
 
2011-02-24 03:07:35 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: tototototo: The only way the terminator franchise can be saved is by sending a cyborg back in time to kill anyone who tries to direct cast Bale in Terminator 3 so he can effect his own rewrites on set.

There you go people. Terminator 3 WAS going to be a lead for Sam Worthington and instead we got split screen time between him and Bale. The rewrites turned what could have been a farking awesome film into a piece of shiat.

Connor was supposed to die in the sub and Worthington's character would take his place as Connor because technically speaking... no one knew who he was.


Psst, that was Terminator 4.
 
2011-02-24 03:08:40 PM

EWreckedSean:
That's the easy one. By skipping to the future he wasn't there to lead the resistance.


Yeah I get that, just making a point they killed it with a brazillion unanswered questions.
 
2011-02-24 03:09:00 PM
A movie of Sarahs "Crazy Years" would be bad ass, if you could get the right actress.
 
2011-02-24 03:13:09 PM

JRoo: Actually show the war against the machines.


I truly want to see that film. Such a film would have the dramatic climax of the Lord of the Rings combined with the pathos of Shindler's List, the extreme robot fighting violence of the Transformers movies, and the amazing wargore of Saving Private Ryan.

/That movie is what T4 could have been
 
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