It's almost like the people that wrote the bill thought about this...nah, that can't be right.

`(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION- Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.

There's a fine line between faith and abject stupidity. It's about ten miles back.

Does that include prayers to Aesculapius as well?

Cause, you know, I'd rather trust my life to the god of medicine than to a lousy carpenter.

Sarah Palin is our first step to President Comacho.

Yeah, it's a against my religion to violate the Monroe doctrine.

those who rely on God to protect them



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/too soon?

They should pray really hard.

It's almost like God is trying to protect them by providing them easy access to health care.

Reminds me of the joke about the guy whose boat sinks in the ocean, and he turns down a ship, a dolphin, and and a helicopter because "god will save him" and dies. He asks God why he didnt save him and God says "Well i sent a Boat, a helicopter and a talking dolphin, i'm not sure what else I could have done."

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: It's almost like the people that wrote the bill thought about this...nah, that can't be right.

`(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION- Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty well established that this law matches most other federal regulations and had a religious exemption so that you don't get headaches when some local authority tries to enforce the provisions against the Amish or some other group that is antithical to modern medicine.

Of course, I thought plenty of stuff in the bill were pretty well established, but people still bring up assinine "well what if x happens!" scenarios all the time ("What if you're too poor to ever afford insurance, will the IRS throw you in jail?!" "Well, chances are you're going to get a voucher that subsidizes the full amount of at least minimal coverage plus the bill doesn't give criminal penalties for failure to pay, it would just be enforced by court order like 99% of monetary legal issues.").

Wonder if Pat has figured out jebus won't save him. What delusional idiots.

Jesus died for your sins, not for your health care.

/morons

Religion has been wholly corrupted at this point. It's more of a political tool than it has ever been.

Hey, I'm all in favor of letting you do what you want, but don't go crying foul when we lock you up for letting your unvaccinated child die because you thought the best way to get rid of their measles was to pray them away.

Yankees Team Gynecologist: those who rely on God to protect them



APPROVE

/too soon?

Not at all. If God didn't protect them from the evil pirates, it seems he won't give these people FTFA healthcare either

Trapper439: If God is protecting you then why the fark would you ever need healthcare?

THIS IS WHAT REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

I know a guy that doesn't wear a seat belt for the same reason. And like most of these people, they're a reliable voter for the GOP.

Trapper439: If God is protecting you then why the fark would you ever need healthcare? guns?

Hate to say it - but there is an interesting argument here.

Sure, you could simply say "they [religious objectors] can opt of medical care if they want." Yet they still have to pay taxes don't they? And possibly even penalties if they don't carry health insurance? And isn't that appropriating monies from someone to pay for practices their religion prohibits? How is forcing them to fund practices contrary to their religious beliefs not a violation of the 1st Amendment?

Just saying, a lot of folks are arguing for healthcare as a "right". In a head-to-head between the rights of healthcare and religion, who wins?

Pancoaifo: nd possibly even penalties if they don't carry health insurance?

No, religious exemptions exist for people that don't believe in modern medicine.

Pancoaifo: How is forcing them to fund practices contrary to their religious beliefs not a violation of the 1st Amendment?

I tell you this much, being a pacifist Shaker doesn't exempt you from taxes or conscription.

Defending the government's ability to force you to purchase items or services via the commerce clause is direct evidence that the judge should be fired.

Pancoaifo: "they [religious objectors] can opt of medical care if they want."

Unfortunately, that's not how the ER at a hospital works. They don't check for a person's identification or insurance card when they're brought in after a massive car accident. They save the patient's life. In fact, it would be unethical for medical personnel to waste time hunting for that information because every second they spend not stabilizing the patient is another second that patient could die.

I fervently agree with people. Not only should they be exempt, but they should be legally barred from getting any kind of medical services ever.

I believe that Darwinian evolution will provide them with the health care they deserve.

Haven't they heard about "God helps those who help themselves" ? That basically means : "take a bit of responsibility about yourselves, and stop demanding of God to micromanage your life !"

I mean, isn't that the apex of pride, to ask God to intervene directly in your life to compensate your own shortcomings?

What does it take for people to realize that faith healing is absurd?

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Reminds me of some religious ass (new window) who thought he shouldn't pay local taxes because public schooling teaches modern biology. He's in jail now for tax fraud.


/idiots
//on multiple levels

Yankees Team Gynecologist: those who rely on God to protect them



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/too soon?

Nope, spot on.

.... wait, WHAT?

If that's their mentality, then why would they need to work in the first place? Wouldn't God provide them with free food, shelter, a German sedan, and a 60 inch plasma TV?

If God were truely providing for them, would he not have caused the bill to not pass in the first place? Perhaps this law is God's way of providing them with the divine protection they so deserve.

Maybe if people had the option of buying the services that aren't so obviously price gouged like they are in the U.S., they'd stop coming up with excuses not to purchase insurance. It's blatantly obvious that we're getting farked on health care costs, and now we have a mandate that we must purchase the most expensive health care in the world. Make fun of the fundies all you want, but if you defend this, you're just as derptarded as they are.

DarnoKonrad: Pancoaifo: nd possibly even penalties if they don't carry health insurance?

No, religious exemptions exist for people that don't believe in modern medicine.

Was just thinking of the Jefferson quote about compelling someone to fund that which they find abhorrent. If they are exempt from any financial burden, then these folks are just making noise.

Pancoaifo: How is forcing them to fund practices contrary to their religious beliefs not a violation of the 1st Amendment?

I tell you this much, being a pacifist Shaker doesn't exempt you from taxes or conscription.

Taxes, sure, the gov always gets its cut. But conscription? I thought they were the classic conscientious objectors?

Serious Black: Pancoaifo: "they [religious objectors] can opt of medical care if they want."
Unfortunately, that's not how the ER at a hospital works. They don't check for a person's identification or insurance card when they're brought in after a massive car accident. They save the patient's life. In fact, it would be unethical for medical personnel to waste time hunting for that information because every second they spend not stabilizing the patient is another second that patient could die.

Different cases, one is about responsibility and the other about rights. If someone is brought in hemorrhaging and unconscious, you're right. Medical ethics dictate all aid should be given. But if that person or their NOK is awake and starts saying their religion forbids blood transfusions? Then it becomes unethical on the medical personnel to proceed with a proscribed procedure.

padraig: Haven't they heard about....

33,830+ denominations of christianity alone: there's bound people who don't agree upon what the perfect word says, or how the infallible book is interpreted.

Pancoaifo: Was just thinking of the Jefferson quote about compelling someone to fund that which they find abhorrent.

I don't know the quote, but I doubt he cared much about taxing people that found counting 3/5ths of human being abhorrent.

Pancoaifo: Taxes, sure, the gov always gets its cut. But conscription? I thought they were the classic conscientious objectors?

Sure, but they still end up working somewhere. C.O.s don't get to go home.