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2011-02-20 11:55:51 AM  
That ought to be a police chief firin' right there. Get that farking department in line.
 
2011-02-20 12:29:47 PM  
Patrolmen "are currently faced with the prospect of having to finance their own legal defense and personally satisfy any adverse judgments potentially rendered against them," wrote Mark Esposito, the lawyer representing the patrolmen.



meh. shake down a few rich people on traffic stops, take a cut from the local drug dealers and tone down the violence for a couple/few months. should take care of the problem.
 
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2011-02-20 12:37:13 PM  
I was just saying a day or two ago in a cop thread that cities go above and beyond the call of duty to make sure cops don't pay for their crimes. Literally crimes in this city's case -- an officer was convicted. I wonder if the threat of liability will scare them straight.
 
2011-02-20 12:40:56 PM  
I thought surely that would be Denver.

No matter where, cops should be held to a HIGHER standard than the citizens, not be exempted from law.
 
2011-02-20 01:10:28 PM  
Good. If they're accused of police brutality, they should have to use the same over-worked, under-paid public defenders as many of the people they helped put away on flimsy, trumped-up charges.
 
2011-02-20 01:14:01 PM  
So the city can't afford to pay for the officers' legal bills because it's had to pay so many legal bills defending itself against the police union for not paying the officers' legal bills? lulz
 
2011-02-20 01:18:41 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Good. If they're accused of police brutality, they should have to use the same over-worked, under-paid public defenders as many of the people they helped put away on flimsy, trumped-up charges.


And then the cops can spend time sharing a cell with the people they framed for crimes they didn't commit.

it's the cycle of life!
 
2011-02-20 02:22:02 PM  
I wonder the degree to which changing a culture of willful disregard of the law by officers might help alleviate this problem?

nah.... they need to keep taking steroids and engaging in their thug behavior. Let the public pick up the tab.
 
2011-02-20 02:27:06 PM  
Oh yes, Lawrence, MA - a city so poor that any fire is immediately escalated to 4 alarms so that the fire departments in neighboring cities can come extinguish the blaze.

Not to mention that it's the Heroin capital of the state.
 
2011-02-20 02:33:29 PM  
The 10-count complaint alleges Lantigua's decision to cut the legal payments is

"designed to punish the union and its members for exercising their collective bargaining rights."


FARK YOU!!!
you went to collective bargaining, you live with it.
dont like how some of your perfect cops are acting? kick them out of your union you fartards.

must be tough
only having one or two or 20 bad apples making the rest of you look like the pigs you are.
 
2011-02-20 02:35:19 PM  
Obviously the solution is for cops to have audio/video recorders on them at all times recording. Legitimate complaints and grievances can be quickly settled and all the people who file false claims can go get bent.
 
2011-02-20 02:49:03 PM  

Crosshair: Obviously the solution is for cops to have audio/video recorders on them at all times recording. Legitimate complaints and grievances can be quickly settled and all the people who file false claims can go get bent.


better yet
the few bad apples can be fired, arrested and charged with crimes
there would be no need to defend them against civil suits.
their union would take care of that for them, right?
hahahahaha
 
2011-02-20 03:08:45 PM  
Weird, the police Union has a problem with this.
 
2011-02-20 03:09:37 PM  
*BING*

Attention: paging jakevol and PrinceofFark, paging jakevol and PrinceofFark.
 
2011-02-20 03:26:42 PM  

unlikely: No matter where, cops should be held to a HIGHER standard than the citizens, not be exempted from law.


Agreed, but the reality is that cops are too often the subject of false lawsuits. Cities encourage this by paying settlements just to make those lawsuits go away as cheaply as possible.

This city should do two things: First, stop settling lawsuits just because it's economically feasible. In the long run it will be less expensive because lawyers will stop filing frivolous suits designed only to collect a settlement. Secondly, and even more importantly, use some of that money to train your cops. Poorly trained cops use excessive force because they don't know how to deal with people any other way. They allow themselves to get emotionally involved in matters and lose their professionalism. And I'll throw in a bonus point here too: Discipline your cops. The administration must foster a climate where excessive force is not tolerated. The good cops should be protected and supported when they expose the bad cops, and the bad cops should be removed from the force as quickly as possible. When administrations defend or conceal bad behavior it destroys the entire department's credibility. The good cops bail out and you're left with nothing but bad cops. When a police department gets to this point, the city should change the guy in charge. A chief who is tolerant of bad behavior by his officers has no business being in charge. Get rid of him.
 
2011-02-20 03:29:01 PM  
Why do people victimize the police for victimizing civilians?
 
2011-02-20 03:30:22 PM  

Crosshair: Obviously the solution is for cops to have audio/video recorders on them at all times recording. Legitimate complaints and grievances can be quickly settled and all the people who file false claims can go get bent.


This would be a wonderful idea that will never actually happen.
 
2011-02-20 03:45:11 PM  
Look, officers. If you don't want to get sued, stop doing things that get you sued. I mean, suing is part of the legal system. The legal system would never put anyone through anything that wasn't completely justified, now would it?
 
2011-02-20 03:47:56 PM  
This needs to happen more often.
 
2011-02-20 04:00:06 PM  
Oh yea! Cop hate thread!!

inb4killallthecops

Let me get this out there first...

why don't YOU go do the job.
 
2011-02-20 04:02:47 PM  

GaryPDX: Weird, the police Union has a problem with this.


It's almost like a union is supposed to try to get the best deal for their members.
 
2011-02-20 04:03:25 PM  

vegasj: Let me get this out there first...

why don't YOU go do the job.


I have a better question: Why does *anyone* have to "do the job"? Can't insurance adjusters write reports just as well as policemen?
 
2011-02-20 04:07:15 PM  
"Overload the police with victimless crimes and other minutiae and eventually only creeps and bullies remain cops."
~ Rick Graber.


Fallacy of Rotten Apples:
The belief that if there is a large and diverse class of something, then it is to be expected (and perhaps even tolerated) that some of them may have a selected (bad) property.

For example, the belief that if there are a few corrupt or racist individuals in a certain public organization, or a few greedy executives in the boardroom, or a few unprofessional individuals in a professional organization, or a few lazy and miserable employees, that doesn't imply that there is anything wrong with the organization or its culture.

This belief is justified by the slogan: "There's always one Rotten Apple in every Barrel."

But this slogan is of course rubbish. One bad apple spoils the barrel. A corrupt or lazy individual (if unchecked) may infect his colleagues. Weak individuals are quickly corrupted, while some strong and morally upright ones may be forced out.

That isn't to say that corruption is immediate and universal, or that such organizations are necessarily beyond repair and redemption. But the presence (and survival) of even one single corrupt individual within an organization must raise some concerns about the organization which cannot and should not be superficially dismissed.

In a blame culture, the preferred solution is to discipline or expel a few individuals where the bad property is most evident, and to hope that the problem goes away. This only works on the assumption that those individuals who do not openly manifest the property do not currently have it, have not been infected by it, and will not develop it. It doesn't deal with the root cause.
 
2011-02-20 04:07:34 PM  

vegasj: Oh yea! Cop hate thread!!

inb4killallthecops

Let me get this out there first...

why don't YOU go do the job.


No desire to serve as a taxman with a badge.
 
2011-02-20 04:12:00 PM  

vegasj: why don't YOU go do the job.


Mind you, it's one of the least hazardous blue collar jobs out there.

Mining, Fishing, Construction, Lumber, etc., are all orders of magnitude more dangerous on a per capita basis.
 
2011-02-20 04:12:07 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Discipline your cops. The administration must foster a climate where excessive force is not tolerated. The good cops should be protected and supported when they expose the bad cops, and the bad cops should be removed from the force as quickly as possible. When administrations defend or conceal bad behavior it destroys the entire department's credibility.


Agreed. And this segues nicely into a question I have had for a while, and have been waiting for an appropriate place to ask: let's assume it is true that the majority of LEOs are good, and that a few bad apples ruin it for the good ones. We'll further assume that the good LEOs are discouraged from officially addressing this problem, because the system is set up so that the bad apples are protected, and the whistleblowers are punished.

Bad LEOs make the jobs of all LEOs infinitely more dangerous, because they cause the public to at best distrust and be resistant to cooperate with law enforcement, and at worst openly hate and wish harm on LEOs in general. Bad LEOs put good LEOs lives at risk.

So why don't the good LEOs address the problem of bad LEOs unofficially? Why aren't there Code Reds on a regular basis for the few bad apples who have caused so much harm to law enforcement, and caused LEOs lives to be in danger on a daily basis? Why don't the good LEOs clean house off the books? Why have the few bad cops been tolerated for so long by the majority of good cops?

If someone else's egomaniacal jack-booted idiocy put my life at risk, I'd be mighty pissed, myself.
 
2011-02-20 04:15:55 PM  

Weaver95: Patrolmen "are currently faced with the prospect of having to finance their own legal defense and personally satisfy any adverse judgments potentially rendered against them," wrote Mark Esposito, the lawyer representing the patrolmen.

meh. shake down a few rich people on traffic stops, take a cut from the local drug dealers and tone down the violence for a couple/few months. should take care of the problem.


Based on the city ordinance that says the city has to indemnify cops for judgments against them, the police only have to pay for their defense, which is supposed to be covered by the police union.
That way, it won't cut into the cop's profits from his shake-down racket.
 
2011-02-20 04:33:03 PM  
I'm so sad no more public money will be paid to violent criminal asshat cops. Cops should have to use public defenders if they don't pay themselves. After all, the public defenders should be just as far on the side of justice as the cops, eh?
 
2011-02-20 04:34:24 PM  
Cops,

Continue to protect your own at the expense of those who job it is to serve and soon you will find yourself in a world of hurt.

Sure you have the authority on a daily basis, but good citizens of this great country own your ass. Piss of enough law abiding people (like conducting a 3 AM drug raid on a law professor) and you will soon find yourself stripped of the protections you now enjoy and brought to task for you abuses.

Love,

America
 
2011-02-20 04:35:12 PM  

namegoeshere: So why don't the good LEOs address the problem of bad LEOs unofficially? Why aren't there Code Reds on a regular basis for the few bad apples who have caused so much harm to law enforcement, and caused LEOs lives to be in danger on a daily basis? Why don't the good LEOs clean house off the books? Why have the few bad cops been tolerated for so long by the majority of good cops?



Because the bad Cop will instantly become the victim because he was "enforcing the laws the only way he can to stop the bad guys!" Meaning that the Cops who bust their humps and do it right are somehow in collusion with the criminals. If you look at where a lot of this is happening, these thugs in blue are supported by Vocal Politicians and "Law and Order Activists" who have no problem telling you that not only do "Criminals have no Rights but we must support or Police no matter what!"
Look at Arpiao, He is costing taxpayers millions due Civil Rights violations, He refuses to act on Felony Warrants- Maricopa County has 45,000 not being acted upon by his department- but he goes after Illegal Janitors and Corn Vendors so he is the Bestest Bravest most Awesomeist above question Cop around!

The only thing for a good Cop to do in this situation is to A)Keep doing his job right, and keep trying to quietly change the system- being loud is Job suicicde B) Change Departments- you would be surprised how many do that or C) become a useless shiat and do nothing.

The good Cops can only do so much and it's damn little if they are up against Politicians and Public Opinion!
 
2011-02-20 04:37:17 PM  
We need a Hobo With a Shotgun, he only kills dirty cops.

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2011-02-20 04:39:40 PM  

nmemkha: Cops,

Continue to protect your own at the expense of those who job it is to serve and soon you will find yourself in a world of hurt.

Sure you have the authority on a daily basis, but good citizens of this great country own your ass. Piss of enough law abiding people (like conducting a 3 AM drug raid on a law professor) and you will soon find yourself stripped of the protections you now enjoy and brought to task for you abuses.

Love,

America


1) No they won't. They will get away with it no matter what.
2) Who exactly do you think you are writing this letter to. This is like people who post in forums: "Dear President Obama, please do not do Soshulism. Love, Tea Party"
 
2011-02-20 04:41:35 PM  
vegasj : why don't YOU go do the job.

Because I'm honest.
 
2011-02-20 04:47:22 PM  

namegoeshere: So why don't the good LEOs address the problem of bad LEOs unofficially? Why aren't there Code Reds on a regular basis for the few bad apples who have caused so much harm to law enforcement, and caused LEOs lives to be in danger on a daily basis? Why don't the good LEOs clean house off the books? Why have the few bad cops been tolerated for so long by the majority of good cops?


The problem occurs when a department allows bad behavior to become normal behavior. When the new rookie fresh out of the academy sees the veterans mistreating people and not suffering any consequences, the rookie thinks this is how police work is supposed to be done. If the rookie protests this behavior and doesn't receive support from the administration, he either leaves the department or learns not to waste his time trying to change a departmental culture that he has little control over.

I still contend that bad cops are only a small percentage, but they appear much larger because they get all the publicity. The "fallen angel" makes for a great news story and is a great plot for a movie, but in reality is a rare occurrence. Thousands of people get arrested for minor crimes every day, but when the cop gets arrested it makes the front page.

I've said this before: Bad cops don't last long in police work. Cops that allow themselves to become personally involved in their work burn out quickly, get tired of being disciplined or get fired. Being a bad cop is a lot of work when you think about it, but during their short careers they can do a lot of damage to the reputation of their entire department and even their entire profession.

The best cops learn that they only get respect when they respect others, and they have longer, healthier careers. You just don't read about them in Fark threads.
 
2011-02-20 04:47:51 PM  

vegasj: why don't YOU go do the job.


Because I would never want to work with most of the people (read: roided out assholes with a bully mentality) that I have personally known who became cops. I'd probably also be drummed out of the department within a year for reporting on every single cop I witnessed breaking the law, so why bother? Those, as well as a few dozen other reasons, are why I'll never be a cop.

Are you a cop? If not, why not?
 
2011-02-20 04:48:28 PM  
Maybe professionals should carry malpractice insurance. Except programmers.
 
2011-02-20 04:51:21 PM  

JuggleGeek: Because I'm honest.


Then don't you think you'd make a great cop? If your beliefs about police are true, maybe you should become a cop and help change things.

Or maybe you're afraid you'll just find out that your perceptions about cops aren't accurate at all, and your honesty will be the norm and not an exception.
 
2011-02-20 04:55:41 PM  

HerpaDerpaDoo: nmemkha: Cops,

Continue to protect your own at the expense of those who job it is to serve and soon you will find yourself in a world of hurt.

Sure you have the authority on a daily basis, but good citizens of this great country own your ass. Piss of enough law abiding people (like conducting a 3 AM drug raid on a law professor) and you will soon find yourself stripped of the protections you now enjoy and brought to task for you abuses.

Love,

America

1) No they won't. They will get away with it no matter what.
2) Who exactly do you think you are writing this letter to. This is like people who post in forums: "Dear President Obama, please do not do Soshulism. Love, Tea Party"


The open letter is a literary style that has been used for hundreds of years. Your local community college offers inexpensive courses in writing. You might consider attending one.

If police in America continue to abuse their powers and abuse to the extent that is effects normal law-abiding Americans then I do believe you will see push back.

As sad at it is, we seem to little qualms when the police abuse the poor and minorities. However, the local "Tea Bagger" you allude to is not going to let it happen to him. His social class has the resources to fight such thing legally. As the legal pressure mounts, and the atrocities are exposed public outcry will force the hand of the politicians.

We gave the guns to the cops. We can take them away. It just takes enough of us with the resolve to do it.
 
2011-02-20 04:56:48 PM  
Patrolmen "are currently faced with the prospect of having to finance their own legal defense and personally satisfy any adverse judgments potentially rendered against them," wrote Mark Esposito, the lawyer representing the patrolmen.

God forbid their actions should have consequences... How about this: In the future, when a cop is sued, the local government fronts the cost of his legal defense. If he's cleared of the charges, awesome. If not, he has to repay the legal fees and pay any settlements out of pocket.

Throw in a loss of job and pension for serious enough crimes. Oh and how about forcing the DA to press the appropriate charges against the officer (like they are compelled to do in stach. rape cases)? So an officer accused of assault who is convicted, pays the cost of his defense, pays the settlement, AND has charges leveled against him for the assault (including appropriate jail time).
 
2011-02-20 04:58:27 PM  

Dictatorial_Flair: Are you a cop? If not, why not?


No, I am not. My dad was and brother is. I've no desire going to work every day wondering if I'll be shot in the head during a routine traffic stop... or if a domestic violence call will turn bad and a shotgun aimed at me... or respond to a robbery in progress to find out it was a setup/ambush by some cop killers.

 
2011-02-20 04:59:14 PM  

BitwiseShift: Maybe professionals should carry malpractice insurance. Except programmers.


Seriously, hardly anyone I know beats the crap out of people who question authority. I can think of times I would gladly beat on someone, but not wanting to go to jail, pay a lawyer and a fine, and have someone personally sue me prevents me from getting out of line. Private security companies manage to stay in business with the same exposure.

/fark cops.
 
2011-02-20 04:59:57 PM  

vegasj: Dictatorial_Flair: Are you a cop? If not, why not?

No, I am not. My dad was and brother is. I've no desire going to work every day wondering if I'll be shot in the head during a routine traffic stop... or if a domestic violence call will turn bad and a shotgun aimed at me... or respond to a robbery in progress to find out it was a setup/ambush by some cop killers.


Those are pretty good reasons. Though you could technically get shot in the face as a gas station attendant just as easily.
 
2011-02-20 05:00:42 PM  

vegasj: Dictatorial_Flair: Are you a cop? If not, why not?

No, I am not. My dad was and brother is. I've no desire going to work every day wondering if I'll be shot in the head during a routine traffic stop... or if a domestic violence call will turn bad and a shotgun aimed at me... or respond to a robbery in progress to find out it was a setup/ambush by some cop killers.


You forgot forced to barge into people homes in the middle of the night with little regard for their safety in order to keep the Prison Industrial Complex of which I am vital part funded.
 
2011-02-20 05:01:11 PM  
Thought it was going to be about Madison CT, better known as "Camp Run Amok".

disappointed kinda but not
 
2011-02-20 05:03:07 PM  
Doing this might solve all pig brutally cases, make the pig liable for their own defense.
 
2011-02-20 05:04:33 PM  

Dictatorial_Flair: Though you could technically get shot in the face as a gas station attendant just as easily.


I beg to differ. More people hate cops just because they have a job to do than the amount people hating gas station attendants for pumping gas.

 
2011-02-20 05:06:39 PM  

Dictatorial_Flair: Though you could technically get shot in the face as a gas station attendant just as easily.


But... to add to your example...

who is called when that gas station attendant is shot?? Who is expected to run to the scene knowing there's a gunman loose?

 
2011-02-20 05:07:08 PM  

vegasj: Dictatorial_Flair: Are you a cop? If not, why not?

No, I am not. My dad was and brother is. I've no desire going to work every day wondering if I'll be shot in the head during a routine traffic stop... or if a domestic violence call will turn bad and a shotgun aimed at me... or respond to a robbery in progress to find out it was a setup/ambush by some cop killers.


Pizza delivery drivers are more likely to be shoot and killed 'at work' than a police officer.

So, whatever fear a cop feels, imagine what the pizza hut guy must feel.

Just sayin...
 
2011-02-20 05:08:26 PM  

vegasj: More people hate cops just because they have a job to do


Why?
 
2011-02-20 05:08:37 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Pizza delivery drivers are more likely to be shoot and killed 'at work' than a police officer.

So, whatever fear a cop feels, imagine what the pizza hut guy must feel.

Just sayin...


And you're not allowed to defend yourself. And you're required to put a big "HEY COME ROB ME" sign on your car while you take pizzas to the projects several times a night.
 
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