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(Yahoo)   Scientist finds Gulf bottom still oily, dead. w/pic of OMG KILL IT WITH FIRE   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 108
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2011-02-20 02:27:42 AM  
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2011-02-20 02:29:39 AM  

iollow: You know, for an average person like me or the thousands that come to Fark, this is too big for us, so we have to trust someone else to handle it. But who should that be? Not the R or D party. Not the EPA. It's an entire part of our planet, and no one has the ability or the authority to stop people from farking it up. All we can do is hope that it's not that bad, that things correct themselves no matter what we do.


Honestly, on some level, I think people like it.
 
2011-02-20 02:33:40 AM  
Wait, I think we are all overlooking the most important part of the article. According to the caption the Alvin is still in service! Wasn't that built in the 70s? I thought they retired it.
 
2011-02-20 02:39:56 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: This is nothing a few thousand years won't fix.

Fortunately, all of the sea life now comes with the oil for deep frying.



How convenient!

What'll they think of next?
 
2011-02-20 02:41:04 AM  
www.dlisted.com

www.flashbag.net
 
2011-02-20 02:45:03 AM  
i like the people who think pure, refined oil comes out of an oil well. you are my kind of people.
 
2011-02-20 02:54:25 AM  
Our kids and grandkids are the ones who are going to pay the price for what we do now to the planet. In 50 to 100 years things are going be a lot worse in terms of the global climate and environment. They will either have to spend trillions to develop new technologies to over come it or quality of life/security will take a real hit in many places of the world.
 
2011-02-20 02:54:39 AM  
This is one of many reasons why I refuse to eat any seafood that may have come from that...general...vicinity...
 
2011-02-20 03:08:08 AM  
platedlizard, Alvin is older than that, it dates to the 60s, and, yes, it's still in service.

Science in this country isn't showered with taxpayer money like banks, churches or oil companies.

/worked at WHOI in high school
//wonders if Thunderpipes will show, he said the Gulf will be fine
 
2011-02-20 03:15:52 AM  
How cute. The crab is chasing a laser pointer.
 
2011-02-20 03:19:02 AM  

PunGent: platedlizard, Alvin is older than that, it dates to the 60s, and, yes, it's still in service.

Science in this country isn't showered with taxpayer money like banks, churches or oil companies.

/worked at WHOI in high school
//wonders if Thunderpipes will show, he said the Gulf will be fine


I suppose there aren't any original parts left on it. The last I heard it was being used to explore Crater Lake here in Oregon (which I believe is the deepest freshwater lake in the US, if not the world), I thought it was going to be retired after that.

/good little sub
//wished they still used the Lulu
///is curious about Thunderpipes too
 
2011-02-20 03:20:04 AM  

EwoksSuck: Our kids and grandkids are the ones who are going to pay the price for what we do now to the planet. In 50 to 100 years things are going be a lot worse in terms of the global climate and environment.


Yup, one of the (many) reasons I'm not having kids. We're just seeing the start of this and the US will be insulated by our wealth for a while (probably until I'm close to death, wooo), but it's going to catch up, and it's going to suck.
 
2011-02-20 03:25:34 AM  

ferrocene: i like the people who think pure, refined oil comes out of an oil well. you are my kind of people.


Asphalt is totally lighter than water amirite?

/and stronger than concrete
//sorry Cousin David
 
2011-02-20 03:54:49 AM  

Gawdzila: BlippityBleep: ieerto: THE NEW CHEMISTRY = oil sinks in water.

if oil droplets are small enough, it doesn't matter that oil is less dense than water. Tiny droplets don't float or sink - they move with the water.

Not only that, but the "but oil floats!" thing fails to recognize the crude oil is not a homogeneous substance. There is lots of crap in it that does NOT float.


Then it is the crap in the oil that isn't floating and not the oil.

The article clearly states the bottom of the ocean is covered with oil which is, in fact, a lie as oil floats above water. I don't know about you but I am tired of being lied to.

These political/scientific types went on and on about "plumes" of oil in the water which is a lie of unbelievable dimension and yet some were so desperate to believe.

The oil is 99.9% gone and so is the political capital the left was hoping to reap from spending years and trillions on clean up. I guess people will just have to go back to making money the old fashioned way instead of trying to shake down another oil company.

This is what we get for having a President who's only previous experience is shaking down companies for not having enough blacks on the payroll.
 
2011-02-20 03:57:48 AM  
Loved all the radio commentators back then who had the self healing fun. Not that we will see any retraction or truth from them, of course...
 
2011-02-20 03:59:51 AM  

platedlizard: ferrocene: i like the people who think pure, refined oil comes out of an oil well. you are my kind of people.

Asphalt is totally lighter than water amirite?

/and stronger than concrete
//sorry Cousin David


Asphalt did not come out of that well. We all saw it floating up. Asphalt does not flow up. But nice of you to back our idiot President no matter the facts. We must bow to our leaders for they are so much wiser than we are.

/oh fark, now I must vote stupid since I now understand the raging stupid.
 
2011-02-20 04:05:25 AM  

Nightmaretony: Loved all the radio commentators back then who had the self healing fun. Not that we will see any retraction or truth from them, of course...


The planet does have it's way of healing itself. Call it "Mother Nature" or "God", your choice.

Why would anyone want to retract a true statement?
 
2011-02-20 04:10:17 AM  

Necrosis: danielscissorhands: I think what subby is saying is that, according to the photo alongside the article, the BP oil spill has caused this:

Yeah, I get that ZOMGZ KILL IT WITH TEH FIREZ is a fark meme and all, but it's a shiatty one. A crab! Holy crap!


This. Subby's afraid of a widdle crab? Probably not something to be admitting to in the presence of grown men.
 
2011-02-20 04:37:03 AM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

Fish born WITHOUT ANY BONES, due to the oil spill of course.
 
2011-02-20 04:46:10 AM  

Curious: given the choice i'll go with the "it's farked" crowd over the "unicorns and rainbow farts" folks.

BP spent too much money buying scientists right after this for me to have much faith in the good news. and it's in their (and to some extent) the governments best interests for this to go away.

of course there is also this: Even this total funding level, however, is woefully insufficient for an agency tasked with managing such fundamental resources as the atmosphere that regulates our climate, the 4.3 million square miles of our oceanic exclusive economic zone, the ecological health of coastal regions that are home to more than 50 percent of all Americans, response to environmental catastrophes including the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, and fisheries that employ thousands of Americans and annually contribute tens of billions of dollars to the national economy. (new window) house to defund NOAA.


Jesus farking christ, I hope the dumbfarks in the WX community finally wake up to the reality that republicans aren't their goddamn friends now.

/it's amazing how many weather enthusiasts are blatantly ignorant to their own best interest.
 
2011-02-20 04:53:43 AM  
"wished they still used the Lulu"

Heh, ugly as hell, but she got the job done.
 
2011-02-20 04:57:18 AM  

ieerto: THE NEW CHEMISTRY = oil sinks in water.


Simple alkanes (up through dodecane, anyway) are less dense than water, as are most components of most crude. However, "most" is not "all", and even the light stuff often has a non-zero solubility and can saturate and deposit on surfaces and so on.

Here's an EPA summary of material compositions of various reserves if you want to calculate what's most likely to be sticking around at the bottom and how much of it there is. Solubility data's in there, and you can get density ranges from wikipedia if you want.

Be warned that API density indexes are reversed from specific gravity. Water is 10 and you get denser as the index decreases. It's a simplification of certain calculations thing.

YELLOL:
Asphalt did not come out of that well.


Gulf coast reserves are typically around 10% heavy aromatics, which are basically what bitumen (the binder in asphal, which is actually a cementitious mix with an aggregate) is made of.

So, actually, yeah, asphalt pretty certainly did come out of that well (no shortage of sand down there, the other ingredient in asphalt).

//I think your reaction to the raging stupid might kind of be beta-fishing the mirror here.
 
2011-02-20 05:05:14 AM  

YELLOL: The article clearly states the bottom of the ocean is covered with oil which is, in fact, a lie as oil floats above water. I don't know about you but I am tired of being lied to.

These political/scientific types went on and on about "plumes" of oil in the water which is a lie of unbelievable dimension and yet some were so desperate to believe.

The oil is 99.9% gone and so is the political capital the left was hoping to reap from spending years and trillions on clean up. I guess people will just have to go back to making money the old fashioned way instead of trying to shake down another oil company.

This is what we get for having a President who's only previous experience is shaking down companies for not having enough blacks on the payroll.


Erm, could you be more of a idiot? Seriously, you have 1) Denial of observed fact, and 2) Character assassination and racism. Where's proof to show the gulf is clean as a whistle dumbshiat. This isn't the Rush Limbaugh crowd.

YELLOL: Nightmaretony: Loved all the radio commentators back then who had the self healing fun. Not that we will see any retraction or truth from them, of course...

The planet does have it's way of healing itself. Call it "Mother Nature" or "God", your choice.

Why would anyone want to retract a true statement?


Just because YELLOL's fictitious girlfriend heals over the long term after he beats her doesn't make it right.
 
2011-02-20 05:05:22 AM  

jaytkay: This would not have happened if we were not strangling BP with oppressive regulations and confiscatory taxes.


Just one sentence? Does that even qualify as trolling?

/are you trolling like Huck Fin? Stick and some Twine & a hook on the end and you just throw it out, hoping to see if anything will hit?
 
2011-02-20 05:06:28 AM  

YELLOL:
This is what we get for having a President who's only previous experience is shaking down companies for not having enough blacks on the payroll.


Jesse Jackson is president?!
 
2011-02-20 05:06:42 AM  

Third Day Mark: jaytkay: This would not have happened if we were not strangling BP with oppressive regulations and confiscatory taxes.

Just one sentence? Does that even qualify as trolling?

/are you trolling like Huck Fin? Stick and some Twine & a hook on the end and you just throw it out, hoping to see if anything will hit?


copypasta from his email lists... although it's a dated one
 
2011-02-20 05:11:19 AM  

Jim_Callahan:

Simple alkanes (up through dodecane, anyway) are less dense than water, as are most components of most crude. However, "most" is not "all", and even the light stuff often has a non-zero solubility and can saturate and deposit on surfaces and so on.

Here's an EPA summary of material compositions of various reserves if you want to calculate what's most likely to be sticking around at the bottom and how much of it there is. Solubility data's in there, and you can get density ranges from wikipedia if you want.

Be warned that API density indexes are reversed from specific gravity. Water is 10 and you get denser as the index decreases. It's a simplification of certain calculations thing.


thanks for clearing that up for us. your clarity shines like justice in our little smartasstic world here.

we know what's in crude man. why doesn't this scientist lady from the *note* university of georgia get it?
/was my point
 
2011-02-20 05:12:11 AM  

Third Day Mark: jaytkay: This would not have happened if we were not strangling BP with oppressive regulations and confiscatory taxes.

Just one sentence? Does that even qualify as trolling?

/are you trolling like Huck Fin? Stick and some Twine & a hook on the end and you just throw it out, hoping to see if anything will hit?


Lol upon second glance do you think somebody would throw "confiscatory tax" into a one sentence critique? The paid shills (or unpaid because they're just that farking stupid) are easy to spot once you really read the whaargarbl. ;-)
 
2011-02-20 05:14:50 AM  

ieerto: we know what's in crude man. why doesn't this scientist lady from the *note* university of georgia get it?
/was my point


Where is your research? How is this research wrong? I'd say that a state university makes sure it's shiat is good if they want continued funding. shiat, that's even over private universities with private dowry's and all that. Name calling (or implied) isn't a valid argument... did you know that? It's fark, so name calling is great, just not when you're trying to disprove evidence.

/the more you know
 
2011-02-20 05:30:18 AM  

BlippityBleep:

Where is your research? How is this research wrong? I'd say that a state university makes sure it's shiat is good if they want continued funding. shiat, that's even over private universities with private dowry's and all that. Name calling (or implied) isn't a valid argument... did you know that? It's fark, so name calling is great, just not when you're trying to disprove evidence.

/the more you know



yo Blip, lay off the mountain dew and haterade bro. also try adjusting the sarcasm detection settings. i might actually be with you on your point.

if university funding can't figure out, like Jim_Callahan did, why there are heavier-than-water substances near a crude oil spill, then maybe a little name-calling is in order.

i don't have any research about that to cite, by the way.
 
2011-02-20 05:34:39 AM  

ieerto: if university funding can't figure out, like Jim_Callahan did, why there are heavier-than-water substances near a crude oil spill, then maybe a little name-calling is in order.

i don't have any research about that to cite, by the way.


1. University funding has figured it out, in this article and in the one I posted earlier

2. I didn't think you had any research. That's because there isn't any that shows an anywhere remotely clean situation. It's also because you're a shill.
 
2011-02-20 05:50:13 AM  
Oil spill

Dispersants can be used to dissipate oil slicks.[3] They may rapidly disperse large amounts of certain oil types from the sea surface by transferring it into the water column. They will cause the oil slick to break up and form water-soluble micelles that are rapidly diluted. The oil is then effectively spread throughout a larger volume of water than the surface from where the oil was dispersed. They can also delay the formation of persistent oil-in-water emulsions. However, laboratory experiments showed that dispersants increased toxic hydrocarbon levels in fish by a factor of up to 100 and may kill fish eggs.[4]

A dispersant was used in an attempt to clean up the Exxon Valdez oil spill[3] though its use was discontinued as there was not enough wave action to mix the dispersant with the oil in the water. Dispersant Corexit 9500 is currently being used on the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Dispersant Corexit 9527 was used to disperse an oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico in 1979 (Ixtoc), used over one thousand square miles of sea
 
2011-02-20 05:58:19 AM  
Necrosis:

You know, the there was an adjacent level full of tar. Do you think we could BP the Dopefish? It would save Keen from having to chug lifewater by the gallon...
 
2011-02-20 06:05:51 AM  
it's gonna be okay blip. you got quite a bit of animosity somehow, but it's nothing a fap and a nap won't cure, at least temporarily.
 
2011-02-20 06:09:31 AM  

ieerto: it's gonna be okay blip. you got quite a bit of animosity somehow, but it's nothing a fap and a nap won't cure, at least temporarily.


Eh, you could bring contrary evidence any time you like, you know. ;-)
 
2011-02-20 06:13:03 AM  
oi56.tinypic.com
 
2011-02-20 06:21:41 AM  
it's like you still didn't figure out i'm with you on your point.

my brother's kids could tell you why there is an abundance of insoluble crude-related compounds on the seabed. yet Samantha Joye can't put together a good enough theory for the Association for the Advancement of Science. that's what isn't right about the article.
 
2011-02-20 06:30:46 AM  

ieerto: THE NEW CHEMISTRY = oil sinks in water.


ieerto: it's like you still didn't figure out i'm with you on your point.

my brother's kids could tell you why there is an abundance of insoluble crude-related compounds on the seabed. yet Samantha Joye can't put together a good enough theory for the Association for the Advancement of Science. that's what isn't right about the article.


Hrmm... there is a definite discrepancy between the implications of your original and later verbage. Did you learn something and don't want to admit it on the oh-so-important internet forum? lololol!
 
2011-02-20 06:38:27 AM  
isn't it true that the "new" chemistry here proves, to all those who think the crude oil evaporated and there should be nothing left, that it isn't quite so?

maybe you should change out your whole sarcasm detection board, the problem might not be just the knob.
 
2011-02-20 07:27:17 AM  
Corporate Republican Logic Processor:

1. If true, will it cost rich people money?
(yes)

2. If true, will it reveal that some rich people were incompetent, irresponsible, dishonest or insane?
(yes)

3. Will it make those heathens that care about stuff other than money and power look bad if people thinks it's false?
(yes)

4. Do the facts and evidence show that it is false.
(no)

Result:
3 yes vs 1 no

The article is false, it is pinko propaganda.
 
2011-02-20 07:30:12 AM  

apachevoyeur: Thank goodness the ocean makes a great big toilet we can flush our mistakes down. It will be generations before we figure out just how bad we have farked up our future.


Unfortunately, I think it's more important to our politicians to get back to business as usual regarding BP than it is to understand this disaster, or prevent it from happening in the future.
 
2011-02-20 07:57:33 AM  
"These brittle stars were pale, loose and dead."

Sluts!
 
2011-02-20 08:34:55 AM  

platedlizard: Wait, I think we are all overlooking the most important part of the article. According to the caption the Alvin is still in service! Wasn't that built in the 70s? I thought they retired it.


Link (new window)

Alvin kindly ask you to get off it's lawn.
 
2011-02-20 08:36:46 AM  

hitlersbrain: Corporate Republican Logic Processor:

1. If true, will it cost rich people money?
(yes)

2. If true, will it reveal that some rich people were incompetent, irresponsible, dishonest or insane?
(yes)

3. Will it make those heathens that care about stuff other than money and power look bad if people thinks it's false?
(yes)

4. Do the facts and evidence show that it is false.
(no)

Result:
3 yes vs 1 no

The article is false, it is pinko propaganda.


derp
 
2011-02-20 08:37:47 AM  

dj42: Oil spill

Dispersants can be used to dissipate oil slicks.[3] They may rapidly disperse large amounts of certain oil types from the sea surface by transferring it into the water column. They will cause the oil slick to break up and form water-soluble micelles that are rapidly diluted. The oil is then effectively spread throughout a larger volume of water than the surface from where the oil was dispersed. They can also delay the formation of persistent oil-in-water emulsions. However, laboratory experiments showed that dispersants increased toxic hydrocarbon levels in fish by a factor of up to 100 and may kill fish eggs.[4]

A dispersant was used in an attempt to clean up the Exxon Valdez oil spill[3] though its use was discontinued as there was not enough wave action to mix the dispersant with the oil in the water. Dispersant Corexit 9500 is currently being used on the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Dispersant Corexit 9527 was used to disperse an oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico in 1979 (Ixtoc), used over one thousand square miles of sea


I guess some of you missed where they pumped millions of gallons of chemicals to "disperse" the crude?
 
2011-02-20 09:23:09 AM  

hitlersbrain: Corporate Republican Logic Processor:

1. If true, will it cost rich people money?
(yes)

2. If true, will it reveal that some rich people were incompetent, irresponsible, dishonest or insane?
(yes)

3. Will it make those heathens that care about stuff other than money and power look bad if people thinks it's false?
(yes)

4. Do the facts and evidence show that it is false.
(no)

Result:
3 yes vs 1 no

The article is false, it is pinko propaganda.


So damned true, man. So damned true.
 
2011-02-20 10:37:52 AM  

Nightmaretony: hitlersbrain: Corporate Republican Logic Processor:

1. If true, will it cost rich people money?
(yes)

2. If true, will it reveal that some rich people were incompetent, irresponsible, dishonest or insane?
(yes)

3. Will it make those heathens that care about stuff other than money and power look bad if people thinks it's false?
(yes)

4. Do the facts and evidence show that it is false.
(no)

Result:
3 yes vs 1 no

The article is false, it is pinko propaganda.

So damned true, man. So damned true.


i194.photobucket.com

So where do you two derp's live? This fine walking piece of flesh would like to setup a rig nearby.
 
2011-02-20 11:31:23 AM  
Don't worry bout the crab, subby. They killed it with oil.
 
2011-02-20 11:46:08 AM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Don't worry bout the crab, subby. They killed it with oil.


And, it's tasty.
i898.photobucket.com

/hungry
 
2011-02-20 11:52:47 AM  

dj42:
I guess some of you missed where they pumped millions of gallons of chemicals to "disperse" the crude?


I guess some of you--oh fark it, I have nothing to add to that.
 
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